Pizza Mafia - Over! Who lived happily ever after in the land of Tito's refrigerator?

[Purple]

At least, that's what i'm assuming from his crumb from god almighty hell.

How are you guys so blind tho

 

[Terywj [태리]]

At least, that's what i'm assuming from his crumb from god almighty hell.

How are you guys so blind tho

I'm not good at Mafia! Shut up! D:

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Roxy, feel my pain.

go read D1, and then crawl up into a corner and lay there until the demons don't haunt you anymore.

 

[T-block]

@Soup: So wait, you don't have NK immunity? Get your story straight, please.

@Tery: What kind of chance do you think ES should receive? What are you expecting out of him? Players in mafia are expected to deal with pressure - why are you trying to decrease the pressure put on him?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

@T-BLOCK NO I DO NOT HAVE NK IMMUNITY , i did, read up.

 

[T-block]

@Soup: I just re-read pretty carefully. Where did you state you weren't NK-immune before this? I must have missed it - I apologize if I did.

It doesn't.

Regarding the JTB thing, i about lost my mind when we began to ML on JTB, and i just waved my hands up in the air and said 'I don't give a **** anymore.'

thus, i wanted to set up a rolehint so scum could waste a kill on me, i'd be out of this game (because everytime i look back at D1 i cringe) and life would be good again.

then..

i talked with DH and we got back to what we needed to do which was getting back on our reads.

 

[Purple]

Roxy, feel my pain.

go read D1, and then crawl up into a corner and lay there until the demons don't haunt you anymore.

Maaaan **** that. You could easily tell me and **** would be much faster.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I want Evil Soup to answer my questions, T-Block.

 

[T-block]

Asdioh's behaviour with regard to the JTB lynch was a little scummy imo, although not as scummy as ES's.

We don't know if JTB will be on before Sunday or not.
If we wait until then, we have some time, but do you really want to wait? I have mixed feelings because it's nice that this is the only game I'm in that's actually being active, but I'd like to make some progress in the game aside from getting a bunch of bandwagons and claims like has happened in other games. So maybe it's best to hammer him now, idk.

freaking J tricking me with the votecount.

freaking AM backing down. The unphasable Kamina surely wouldn't back down?



....freaking J and AM ninjaing me with their votes and unvotes

Notes that J tricked him with the vote count, yet does not unvote. He justifies this later slightly in 1008 by saying he thought there'd be a good chance of JTB flipping scum, and there would be reads on who would joined the bandwagon, which makes me feel better about him and this whole situation.

However, I'm still going to keep my eye on him.

 

[T-block]

@Tery: Which questions? Could you copy/paste them? Sorry.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

From two pages (40PPP) ago.

I'm male.

I'm not especially fond of comparing players to previous games. All of Zen's actions to this point have been identical to how Zen has played as town? I'm more or less pointing towards Zen's play when he/she first arrived. Random, jumpy, and unsupportive in general.

Is the idea that someone who has been in and out of your attention qualifies as Mafia / a negative read? I understand this was partially due to my absence due to sickness, but I have been posting my thoughts since then. You don't have opinions on my posts?

In fact, do you read my posts? Both of you also played in Diddy Kong Racing Mafia. If you're very generous with using previous games as support, how does my play in this game compare?

Also, do you have anything regarding your other head's posts about preferring to be "vig'd" / "night killed" over being lynched.

 

[T-block]

Gova/Gheb's interaction starting post 1099 is interesting...

Vote Gova

Convince me you're not SK. A vig would've reread and picked up J's obvious mason breadcrumbs, which were the reason I was willing to let off J. Even if it wasn't you but Joey who shot I highly doubt that a vigilante would've made such a risky, uneducated choice when Zen continues to be blatant vig fodder and when Glyph was about to be replaced and Roxy was useless all around.
Fun fact: J was fairly suspicious of Joey D1 and mentioned that quite a number of times and - let's be honest - what's the most common fake claim for SK? You guessed it - Vigilante.

Did you think Joey was an SK yesterday? If no, why did you wait until toDay to call him out as an SK? If the mason crumbs were so obvious, who's to say that the mafia didn't see them too and decide to shoot J/AM as well? If this paragraph is the reason you think im scum then lol because it's purely speculation.

No, I didn't think so yesterDay and why would I call him out if I didn't think so? Your question doesn't even make sense. I call him out now because based on his kill choice I find it very, very hard to believe that he's a Vigilante - something I couldn't have known yesterDay. In fact, most people could've simply agreed with him shooting an inactive player and we would've gone into toDay strong.

How is it speculation when you already claimed that Joey shot J? It's not like my argument is based on speculation - your playerslot *has* killed J and deliberately so. Don't try to make this look like it's a matter of assumption when we know it for a fact.
This has nothing to do with the mafia ... it's entirely irrelevant whether they chose to shoot J / AM or not. Don't derail the issue.

Gheb, the speculation is what a vig *would/should* have done/seen. The fact is that Joey didn't shoot how you expected and now it looks like you think he's scum for it. I don't know why Joey chose to shoot J but if it was because he thought he was scum then what difference does it make?

What difference does it make? We've lost two active players with easily verifiable roles after leaving plenty of breadcrumbs ... do I really have to tell you where the difference lies in taking such a pointlessly risky shot on D1 when there was plenty of fodder?

I agree when Gheb says this has nothing to do with mafia's shot - why does it matter who mafia chose to kill in examining the motivation behind Joey/Gova's vig shot? Gova never acknowledges this. Gova also insists that he doesn't know why Joey shot J, but seems intent on defending his intention anyways. I feel that the way he is defending it points more strongly to him being not town, as a town vig would be more likely to see the logic behind Gheb's posts instead of continuing to try to defend the other player's actions.

Did Gova ever say he would let us direct his kills? I don't think he did.

 

[T-block]

Hmm...sorry I'm kinda all over the place. I probably should have made my posts in a more organized manner. But those are all my thoughts so far.

@Tery: Those questions were posed after the post in question (1181) - what were you expecting out of ES when you made post 1181?

 

[Asdioh]

Zen's acting like an buttface

He's town imo

yeah.

I am liking Zen now - I don't see a need for him to die.

I have a scum read on Roxy though - I read DKR where he was town, and I was his scummate in another game, and his play definitely aligns more with scumRoxy at the moment. This is obviously all meta (there's nothing else to go on), so I don't consider it a strong read so much as a gut feeling. However, I would be fine with seeing him gone, considering his inactivity. I wonder if he'll be able to change my mind with his "reading now"

hmm. Maybe. Undecided on Roxy so far, thanks to his extreme inactivity.

Evil Soup is an hunter thingy. If we're really trying to hound on him, we should have another scum target hammer him (or 'vig' vig him)

what are you even saying?

At least, that's what i'm assuming from his crumb from god almighty hell.

How are you guys so blind tho

what

@T-BLOCK NO I DO NOT HAVE NK IMMUNITY , i did, read up.

._. what the hell

 

[Purple]

Do you know what a hunter is Asdioh? The role that when targetted by a kill, kills the person?

 

[Purple]

He wants to be vigged because it'll kill the vig/sk, which is a 50:50 help or deficit to town. Lynching is like, a completely different ratio

 

[Terywj [태리]]

@Tery: Those questions were posed after the post in question (1181) - what were you expecting out of ES when you made post 1181?

I was unsure and waiting for Evil Soup's reads.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

That's not the hunter role I know of ... I thought he'd simply get a Vig shot upon being lynched? If so I can see why there's confusion about the claim and I still have my issues with it tbh. Just because of the ambiguouty and ES leaving it vague despite claiming earlier to have been "straigh up" with it.

Also, it's still not an excuse for not hunting scum and his tactic still is contradicting [playing anti-town in order to eat a NK? What?]. The claims I'm most wary about are those where the player just claims while remaining useless.

 

[Asdioh]

Do you know what a hunter is Asdioh? The role that when targetted by a kill, kills the person?

He wants to be vigged because it'll kill the vig/sk, which is a 50:50 help or deficit to town. Lynching is like, a completely different ratio

Hmm, oh. What makes you so sure that's his role though? O_o

 

[Purple]

It's because i STALKED HIM he crumbed the role.

You're right Gheb, I got the name wrong; It would be vengeful townie.

 

[Asdioh]

Can you point out his crumbs? I looked for them before but couldn't find anything. The fact that he keeps posting on the wrong account doesn't make it easier.

 

[Purple]

Check soup saying he'd rather be vigged than lynched.

 

[Purple]

That would make him bomb actually.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Hey Roxy, how about you stop naming all the options in this thread for the mafia to read?

In addition he also mentioned to be "OK" with being lynched and specifically mentioned to "pile votes" on him. How does that match a bomb at all? We're probably not getting anywhere by trying to figure out the contradictions in his claims - we should just accept that they are there and work with the implications [aka he's probably scum].

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Votecount 2-5

Evil Soup [3]: July, Glyph, Gheb
Zen [1]: Terywj
Terywj [1]: Zen


Evil Soup
Roxy
Glyph > Evil Soup
Asdioh > Zen > Unvote
Zen > Gova > Glyph > Asdioh > Evil Soup > Terywj
July > Evil Soup
Terywj > Zen
T-block
Gheb > Gova > Unvote > Evil Soup
Gova

 

[Asdioh]

Vote: Evil Soup

I think this is our best bet toDay.

He's at L-2 now
@Mod can you include "x to lynch" in your votecounts?

 

[T-block]

There's ten players, Asdioh. Pretty sure you just put him at L-1

 

[Asdioh]

You need a majority to lynch. 5 is not a majority

 

[T-block]

Oh okay. I guess that would make sense.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Soup, Roxy, Gova you haven't voted toDay at all now have you given any clear hints on whom you think is scum so far. You are also all three among the main suspects - how about you make yourselves useful? Who's the play?

 

[Gova]

Gova, who's the play? Your passive play has destroyed town in Sleepover Mafia already and as claimed Vig + SK suspect you're ought to give us more than that. Justifying your actions doesn't make your actions any better now and if you want us to believe you're town you might as well be actually useful.

I would prefer to limit the plays to people who were on the JTB lynch. I think it happened way to quickly and that there was a mafia member on the lynch. That being said it would probably be ES/Asdioh for me. Also why did you bring up MRS? ES, I think it has already been mentioned, but he voted for JTB even though he thought JTB was town. Asdioh more does the same thing in a more subtle manner though imo. He says he didn't want to kill JTB right away and he doesn't justify his vote for JTB either. The bolded aren't necessiarly a contradiction, I just find it off that more or less both ES and Asdioh feel some sort of regret for lynching JTB but then Asdioh calls ES out on it. Not sure what the deal with ES is either, role wise. If he is vengeful and he gets lynched today he can shoot someone in my place and then I can just not shoot to semi-clear myself again. Also, Gheb what's your read on Roxy? I read a little bit of the thread from the beginning and you said you can meta him the easiest.

I mean, looking through his posts, it's enough to get reads regardless of what he flips. It's basically him saying J is scummy, and saying that some of the generally accepted towny people are towny, yeah?

And we still need three more votes? Fine with me.


unvote
Vote: JTB


lolll

... :/

in the heat of the moment I totally forgot that I didn't want to kill JTB right away because of his bad luck streak.

Vigging Zen seriously sounds like a good idea though, if JTB does flip town. Your call, Joey.

Soup, justify your vote on him then.

I voted him because it seemed reasonable. I thought there was a good chance he'd flip scum, and if not, then I would hopefully get reads on the people who joined the bandwagon, or didn't join his bandwagon. You, on the other hand, say you were mostly sure he was town, yet voted for him anyway?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

The problem is that there really isn't all that much to meta Roxy off to begin with with the lack substance coming from him. That alone makes me wary of him because he usually posts a lot, often looking scatterbrained [which typically gets him into trouble as well]. He makes a good Vig shot for sure.

 

[Asdioh]

So for the sake of making it completely clear who the Vig target will be toNight, I want to ask:

-Are you guys alright with lynching ES toDay?
-If so, who should be vigged upon his:
A. Scum flip?
B. Town flip?

Glyph, Roxy, and Tery are my choices, though I'm not sure atm which should be vigged upon which flip.

Either way, I think ES is definitely our best lynch, and we need to have everyone, including Gova, agree on one or two vig targets.

 

[July]

@July, I don't want Gova lynched either. I'm just saying that you shouldn't just accept him as Vig based on the reasoning that you don't think Joey would brave enough to claim Vig if he wasn't. That you think he is Vig is fine in itself. I just didn't like the reasoning.

@Gheb, I still think EvS is scum. Thought he is not alone if he is. I would be fine lynching someone else over him though (tery) because EvS reads match mine an Tery is scummy. I would also be fine lynching EvS. Either or is good.

Kk I understand I what you mean.

In the second part, can you explain what you you mean by the bolded part?

Okay. I'll do it in separate posts so it's easier to read and respond to.


Evil Soup:

Not liking this player slot at all.



This post is just screaming scum at me given what has happened. This whole "oh...i have a town read on this guy, but i will vote him" is something I myself have done as scum before. This is made worse by the fact that he follows with this post after the lynch:



Gets on board with the wagon, and then after the town flip he comes up with "i didn't agree with the wagon and look - we lynched a townie". Seems like pretty classic scum to me.

Then there's the fact that he wanted to be NK'd over lynched. July and Gheb have already brought up that this makes no sense. Why waste the vig shot? What would it prove when he didn't die the next Day?

He has also outright stated that he thinks everyone is town, and attempts to justify not scumhunting.

Finally, he blatantly introduces WIFOM in this post:



Nothing new here really... I would be fine with lynching ES today.

I like your points and I do still think that Evil Soup is scummy. Only thing is you point out how he introduces wifom, which I know Soup has gotten into trouble for in other games even as town. Other than that I agree with your other points and think there is no valid excuse why he still hasn't started scumhunting after providing his reads.

I do not like this post.

He says he can see where Zen is going, but that he is not a fan of Zen. He understands why ES is being targetted, but isn't set on his lynch. He is being non-commital and looks like he is stepping very carefully. If ES flips scum I will be somewhat suspicious of Tery.

July confronts Tery about this post as well. His response:



Still not taking a strong stance - clarifies his picks with "at this point", meaning his picks are volatile. Throws in "Roxy probably" in order to completely echo his other post.

I definitely agree that Tery has not been giving strong reads and that Zen v. Tery has been going a lot more in favor of Zen tbh. Definitely not feeling S v. S, S v. T seems possible. Furthermore I do think Tery/Evil Soup is a feasible scum team more so than Zen/Evil Soup. Tery is someone I need to reread because I gave him a lot of leeway for having his wisdom teeth pulled but recently he has been fencesitting which I really dislike.

It's because i STALKED HIM he crumbed the role.

You're right Gheb, I got the name wrong; It would be vengeful townie.

Kk so we should let someone scummy hammer just in case there is some kickback from his lynch?

Roxy, you've speculated on Evil Soup's role a bit but I was wondering, despite role speculation, what your read on him is.

@T-BLOCK NO I DO NOT HAVE NK IMMUNITY , i did, read up.

Gheb pointed this out but what happened to all that "laying your cards on the table" and being honest with us idea that you talked about :-/

So for the sake of making it completely clear who the Vig target will be toNight, I want to ask:

-Are you guys alright with lynching ES toDay?
-If so, who should be vigged upon his:
A. Scum flip?
B. Town flip?

Glyph, Roxy, and Tery are my choices, though I'm not sure atm which should be vigged upon which flip.

Either way, I think ES is definitely our best lynch, and we need to have everyone, including Gova, agree on one or two vig targets.

Yes, I definitely feel like Evil Soup is scummy and is the best lynch toDay.

If he flips scum I think that the vig should target Tery or Glyph; Tery because I can see Tery and Evil Soup as possible scum buddies, Glyph because he really isn't active and doesn't seem invested in this game.

If he flips town, either Roxy or Glyph. I would probably prefer Glyph because once again he is inactive and doesn't seem like he wants to play, while Roxy has been inactive but has a better chance to become active in the future despite being painfully null right now.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I'd argue Roxy or Glyph are equal in terms of being a target if Evil Soup flips Town, since both are inactive and not contributing. It's just the periods in which they have done so (or not done so) are different.

If you really want to test the communications and dialogue if Evil Soup is Mafia, you can waste a Vigilante on myself to prove that Zen is probably Mafia.

 

[Xivii]

@July: There's not one scum, so I don't see the need to keep my vote in one place until we are ready to lynch.

 

[Xivii]

If you really want to test the communications and dialogue if Evil Soup is Mafia, you can waste a Vigilante on myself to prove that Zen is probably Mafia.

I like this plan.

 

[July]

@July: There's not one scum, so I don't see the need to keep my vote in one place until we are ready to lynch.

Ah kk, not what I thought you meant.

@Zen, you say that you agree with Evil Soup's read on Tery, but also that you think that Evil Soup and Tery could be a scum team. Do you think that their suspicions of each other are not genuine?

 

[Xivii]

Q uite.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I like this plan.

Hurr hurr **** you.

Roxy, how far have you gotten?