Pizza Mafia - Over! Who lived happily ever after in the land of Tito's refrigerator?

[Dooms]

I do. Zen was easy to read because he hasn't read the game yet, so it was an obvious null to me.

JTB: Townie. Gave great reasons for voting you, completely honest with not believing your BS claim, stuff like that.

Gheb: I agree with his points, and he's been trying to help the town through lynching you, so I think he's town~

ES: I have mixed views on this one.

Scummy: He was tunneling on you hard core and pressing for your lynch when we were 9 days away from deadline

Townie: Beginning of the game led me to believe that he was nothing but townie. The way he tried to direct my pressure on Smarg away from her was what made me really think the hydra was town.

Townie-null, really.

 

[#HBC | J]

So remind me again why you have a null on Zen's slot purely based off of what he has done thus far and nothing to comment on what Smargy did?

Lemme also condense your reads.

JTB = Town
Gheb = Town
ES = Town

No?

 

[Dooms]

I will not base my read on Zen based on Smarg's play. Personal choice.

Pretty much. GJ.

 

[#HBC | J]

And why the hell will you not?

Also your reasons for your town reads are based on them thinking I am scum and their interactions with me, correct?

 

[Dooms]

Personal choice. Plus I'm bad at reading people when they're aggravated because that usually leads me to a scummy read.

Yes, J. That's totally 100% correct. Good job.

 

[#HBC | J]

So basically,

Your reads are admittingly crap.

Your refusal to consider anything smargy did is crap.

Your reasoning for your reads are crap.

Yes?

This last one is rhetorical because it is already true and you have even said so yourself. ^_^

Die Scum.

 

[Dooms]

Personal choice. Plus I'm bad at reading people when they're aggravated because that usually leads me to a scummy read.

Yes, J. That's totally 100% correct. Good job.

Good job J. You figured me out.

 

[#HBC | J]

Joey, drop the sarcasm, quit dodging the questions, don't ignore something you obviously don't wanna answer because I will take the answers you give me as your real answers if you continue to be ignorant.

Sound fair?

Why else did you aqcuire your town reads if I really am not the main reason for them?

Give me your reads on the people who say townJ.

Quit being anti-town and pay attention.

 

[Dooms]

I personally don't give a flying **** if you consider those posts serious. Sarcasm is pretty fun, too~!

Sure, sounds fair. Still don't care, but sure.

It was mainly the fact that you were OBVIOUSLY the reason that I found ES scummy, and not townie. It was even in its own category.

I agree with Gheb's points as a whole, not just against you. He's been really trying to help the town in general. Him trying to lynch you is one of the reasons why he's helping town, though. Works for me~

Yeah I think JTB is town because of the way he voted you and the reasons he gave.

Asdioh: Scummy mc scum scum because of weak attack, weak defense, defending with meta.

AM: Scummy because of not backing up his statements with evidence and reasons. Gave a really bad response to it as well. "Kick reason to the curb" made me feel he was nothing but scum. Never explained his huge flip-flop on you, and is being really vague.

July: Townie. I agree with her intent, even if I don't agree with her points. She's really helpful~!

Anyone else that thinks you're town?

 

[Xivii]

Unvote; Vote: Joey

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Never explained his huge flip-flop on you, and is being really vague.

The handsome Kamina will never be understood by the likes of you.

 

[Dooms]

The handsome Kamina will never be understood by the likes of you.

Welp...

10char

 

[Terywj [태리]]

What the hell just happened.

Hi everyone. Got new, stronger medication, so yeah. Time to reread, I guess.

 

[Dooms]

Glad to have you back Tery!

I'm guessing that means you're not feeling any better? :/.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I'm feeling okay. I don't plan on listing all my symptoms, so yeah. Something tells me this thread has gone through some radical shifts of attention.

 

[Dooms]

I guess so XD! Went from everyone talking to Me/J talking soooo lol.

 

[#HBC | J]

It's really not a waste of time to find out who is town.

Also if that's why you think July is town, comment on those who have been doing catch up posts as well and your thoughts on whether it is town or scum intent.

Joey what ever happened to you saying you would do the bolded?

You saying the copy-past thing you said about July made me go fishing for this cuz I knew there was something missing that you hadn't done yet.

 

[Dooms]

I'll do it tomorrow. Been up since 5 am tuesday. Talk to you tomorrow .

 

[T-block]

Okay, I'm caught up again.

T-Block, could you go more into your ゼニガメ suspicion?

Not really feeling the Joey lynch anymore. I said Joey or J in my post partly because Joey was leaning scum for me, but partly because I wanted to see how J would react to a "i want to lynch someone or j" scenario where that someone isn't Asdioh. Everyone can decide for themselves whether J's behaviour following this post is related to this at all, but I think it's something to note for sure.

This is what I saw - I will try to stick to relaying events as objectively as possible for this paragraph. J asks me about Joey, saying some of his posts were "weird". He places an FoS here - no vote. JTB posts with a vote on J, and J drops the Joey topic for a while. JTB wagon does not pick up... Gheb and July say there's not much scummy about it, and I don't dwell much on it at all. Joey's only significant post in the meantime is a vote on AM. After JTB pressure dies, J asks AM what he thinks of Joey's vote on him. At this point, J is town's top lynch candidate, and he cannot pressure Asdioh because he has said he has a town read on him. I say "J or Joey for me". J asks me to elaborate on the Joey pick. I do not respond. J and Joey proceed to have a conversation, and at the end J says "Die scum".

Now, here's my analysis:

I don't know whether to call it scummy but it is just off to me. Hence the FoS and why I'm calling it weird. Is this what you wanted?

Joey makes posts 611, 617, 630, 635. 630 is really the only significant post in my eyes. 611 and 617 were both responded to directly by J, and he didn't seem to see much scumminess in them. 630 contains the vote on AM. 635 is nothing. Then he makes post 702, which sparks this conversation between Joey and J. With post 630, and the conversation, J changes his opinion of Joey from "FoS weird" to "Die scum".

The conversation is odd, and seems to contain some strange leaps on logic. This post is ridiculous:

So basically,

Your reads are admittingly crap.

Your refusal to consider anything smargy did is crap.

Your reasoning for your reads are crap.

Yes?

This last one is rhetorical because it is already true and you have even said so yourself. ^_^

Die Scum.

When reading this, I did a double take and thought "whoa where'd that come from". The way he is applying pressure is unproductive as well in my opinion, and doesn't feel very townie.

Does this have anything to do with the fact that I said "J or Joey"? Maybe... maybe not. What does everyone else think?

@J: Can you explain the post I quoted above? How did you arrive at those conclusions?

@AM: Can we get a solid statement of your stance on J? You said he was scummy earlier, but you seem to be treating him a town at the moment.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

This isn't as long as I wanted, but I really need to sleep. It's difficult playing catchup while others are going to be doing so. Sorry.

J: I don't even. Let's see. Pushed for early claims on people, then claimed a what I'm going to refer to very kindly as a ******** role which has absolutely zero chance of being actually accurate. Not to mention, J was nowhere near hammer range when the claim occurred. Buddying of T-Block, distancing of Asdioh have been noted. I guess in the end, I’m looking at J as Mafia, but that isn’t something I’m fully believing quite yet. While I appreciate the effort you’re putting in to raise activity, I don’t really like specifics (such as pointing towards previous metagame).

Joey: Leaning Mafia. Why have you become so easily swayed? At first you seemed to be playing to win, but then this devolved into "Eh I have a decent Mafia read so if anyone else appears worse I'll focus on them." I don't understand why your playstyle would follow such an ideal. I’ve noted that you’re opinions and being swayed, which is something I’ve seen before. I think you need to start discussing multiple picks rather than a single one. Most notably, is your argument against Asdioh, accusing a weak offensive with…a weak offensive.

T-Block: Town. T-Block has consistently been making solid / valid points that I can understand. Not much else to say, honestly. T-Block will have to make really poor posts to convince my read to turn around.

Aggressive Mediation: Leaning Town. Not because of J’s role, because that would an absurb ground to stand upon. Your recurring posting habits is getting on my nerves, but it’s not against the rules or anything, so. Nyah.

Asdioh: Town. I’ve always liked how Asdioh plays, for whatever strange reasons. No conflicting opinions thus far, and if any, they were pretty minor.

Evil Soup: Town. Reasoning behind distrusting previous metagame is fair. Haven’t paid all too much attention to this hydra to be honest. I’m working on that.

Zen: Neutral. I was satisfied with how Smargaret answered my main question. I'll need to pursue Zen to determine a better read. Hopefully, I'll be more active towards this cause. I do think you should be trying to read through the game on your own, rather than ask opinions from some other player. I also don’t understand why you’re so willing to believe J’s claim.

Glyph / Roxy: We three should work together, and by that I mean post more and stuff.

Overall, some people need to clam the jokes / humor. J, Joey, Gheb, Aggressive Mediation are examples. I’m satisfied with Joey or J’s lynch. Not a huge fan of Zen, either.

 

[#HBC | J]

I personally don't give a flying **** if you consider those posts serious. Sarcasm is pretty fun, too~!

Sure, sounds fair. Still don't care, but sure.

So you are admitting to being openly anti-town because it's fun? Perfectly noted.

The second line is helluva scummy and just way too over-confident.

ES: I have mixed views on this one.

Scummy: He was tunneling on you hard core and pressing for your lynch when we were 9 days away from deadline

Townie: Beginning of the game led me to believe that he was nothing but townie. The way he tried to direct my pressure on Smarg away from her was what made me really think the hydra was town.

Townie-null, really.

Your views on a single player can't even stay consistent on the same page. You said he was Townie-null and when I asked you to confirm this you said I was right. Your reasons for calling him scum don't even make any sense whatsoever especially considering you have Gheb as a town read for the exact same things. You played that reason out of thin air to call him scum and it's fake.

So Joey which is it, Town or Scum? You obviously have two different things said and you state them pretty clearly. Do tell, I am rather curious to here this one. ^_^

I agree with Gheb's points as a whole, not just against you. He's been really trying to help the town in general. Him trying to lynch you is one of the reasons why he's helping town, though. Works for me~

Vague and not substantiated and pri cookie cutter to what everyone has been saying. What has he done to help town? Bolded bit seems confident....too confident for you.

Yeah I think JTB is town because of the way he voted you and the reasons he gave.

Sooo you agree to all the points he made, yes?

Asdioh: Scummy mc scum scum because of weak attack, weak defense, defending with meta.

Reaching and kindof OMGUSy

AM: Scummy because of not backing up his statements with evidence and reasons. Gave a really bad response to it as well. "Kick reason to the curb" made me feel he was nothing but scum. Never explained his huge flip-flop on you, and is being really vague.

Yet Gheb is town....? Hypocrite.

July: Townie. I agree with her intent, even if I don't agree with her points. She's really helpful~!

You said the EXACT same thing before and gave a pretty BS reason for when I asked about intent. Also you say her intent is good but you don't agree to her points? Are you even listening to yourself talk? Your handing out fake compliments.

Anyone else that thinks you're town?

How about those July listed? I'll wait for you to go back and read and actually do something instead of make a half-*** snarky comment. =D

 

[T-block]

Thanks for putting in the effort, Tery. Have you completely read everything?

To be honest, I'd rather you focus on the more current aspect of things instead of always being behind. I would say make the current discussion (Joey vs J at this point) your priority. We can direct you to read previous posts if needed.

 

[#HBC | J]

Does this have anything to do with the fact that I said "J or Joey"? Maybe... maybe not. What does everyone else think?

@J: Can you explain the post I quoted above? How did you arrive at those conclusions?.

T-Block to the first part, it has nothing to do with the J or Joey thingy at all. I mean I do respect your opinion but you don't make up what I do. I have been looking at Joey for a while now and I decided to start fully pushing it now especially with his last couple of posts.

The post I quoted above is because that was what he was saying, his reasons are not well-thought out and don't hold much air, he arrives at reads for not good reasons, and he also refuses to consider anything Smargy did which is ridiculous. Or how I put it, crap.

It's a basic liquidation of what he has been saying in our lil conversation.

T-block, it sounds as if you are trying to say I went after Joey because you said you wanted him gone as well. Why are you coming to that logic cuz it's certainly not right?

 

[#HBC | J]

I like Tery, like his last post was really good. =o

Tery, here's a question I need to ask you since only you would know besides myself. Doesn't Joey's play look really familiar to a past setting us three were in?

 

[T-block]

Hmm.. I thought I did a better job of mentioning it as a possibility, and not as a definite conclusion. I'd still like to hear the thoughts of others.

Can you individually show how you came to all three conclusions? With quoting posts from Joey? Because I'm not really seeing it.

 

[Dooms]

I decided not to go to bed just yet. Worst mistake ever.

@J: Yes. That's what I meant for sure!

No. I think you're scum, so what you have to say about me doesn't bother me at all.

Lol @ You calling me confident, considering that I have no confidence in myself ever hahahahaha. You assuming that I'm confident is your own fault.

I didn't call ES townie because of you, which is what I was getting at.

ES is still townie. Just not because of you.

I agree with Gheb points, he's explaining things well, and I think he's town as well. That's not why I have ES as townie.

Yes, I do agree with JTB's points.

I've been thinking Asdioh scum for quite a while, even before he thought of me as scummy. Call that OMGUS if you want.

Gheb backs himself up most of the time. From what I've noticed, AM hasn't backed his vote up since Smarg.

Yeah, because my views totally changed from one whole page ago, amirite? Intent = trying to help the town. I don't agree with her points (aka her reads). I really have a feeling that you're being reaching yourself right now.

Roxy said he didn't want to read your piss-yellow, not that you were town, and T-block called you scummy. I gave my views on Zen and Asdioh already. Try again?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

If you must be referring to previous games, then yes, Joey is playing eerily similar to DRUPick 2 and Diddy Kong Racing. In both games, Joey was Mafia. I'm not entirely basing opinion off of such, but the way Joey has been posting is sufficient for him to be my top Mafia picks for this Day.

Joey, I'd suggest you stick to one straight attitude, rather than curveballing all over the place. Half your posts have reason. The other half doesn't. Please make all of it reasonable--to help town. Otherwise, it's almost as irritating as Aggressive Mediation's "restriction". Hmm.

 

[Dooms]

Which of my posts don't have reason? The sarcastic ones?

:D

 

[#HBC | J]

Joey, answer me this while I'm getting to T-block.

Why do you have time to defend yourself but not do what you said you would do hours ago?

 

[#HBC | J]

Also I noticed you skipped the really big part in which you changed your views on ES from Town-null to scummy.

 

[#HBC | J]

Also Joey, if you think I am scum, why are you not voting me as well?

 

[Dooms]

He is town null...

I have reasons that he could be scummy, but the reasons that I have for him being townie are more powerful to me, so I'm putting him at town-null.

I'm waiting until tomorrow to do that because I'm not re-reading a thread when I've been awake for 42 hours. Sorry if this disappoints you. It's easy to defend against your points though hahahaha.

AM is more scummy. Duh?

 

[#HBC | J]

Can you individually show how you came to all three conclusions? With quoting posts from Joey? Because I'm not really seeing it.

Sure I can do that.

I'll do it as a point by point, however I'll only be using the posts from that lil segment we just had.

[Collapse=Point 1]

Your reads are admittingly crap.

Zen is null. Like, so null. Maybe null-scum because of his buddying, but I expect it out of him as soon as he joins the game, so yeah.

I'll give the others after I re-read.

Why can you give a read off of Zen but not a read off of anyone else?

Also you do know Zen replaced Smargy correct?

I do. Zen was easy to read because he hasn't read the game yet, so it was an obvious null to me.

JTB: Townie. Gave great reasons for voting you, completely honest with not believing your BS claim, stuff like that.

Gheb: I agree with his points, and he's been trying to help the town through lynching you, so I think he's town~

ES: I have mixed views on this one.

Scummy: He was tunneling on you hard core and pressing for your lynch when we were 9 days away from deadline

Townie: Beginning of the game led me to believe that he was nothing but townie. The way he tried to direct my pressure on Smarg away from her was what made me really think the hydra was town.

Townie-null, really.

So remind me again why you have a null on Zen's slot purely based off of what he has done thus far and nothing to comment on what Smargy did?

Lemme also condense your reads.

JTB = Town
Gheb = Town
ES = Town

No?

Pretty much. GJ.

[/Collapse]

At the end of the conversation he says GJ in which leads me to believe that he agrees to the sentiment I have come from from reading his posts. His reads are basically EXACTLY what some other people have been saying and none of his thoughts are original at all.

A big point now though is that he flipped on his ES read in a blink of an eye.

[Collapse=Second Point]

Your refusal to consider anything smargy did is crap.

So remind me again why you have a null on Zen's slot purely based off of what he has done thus far and nothing to comment on what Smargy did?

I will not base my read on Zen based on Smarg's play. Personal choice.

And why the hell will you not?

Personal choice. Plus I'm bad at reading people when they're aggravated because that usually leads me to a scummy read.

[/collapse]

He is discluding EVERYTHING Smargy has ever done just because Zen replaced in and doesn't hold anything that she did accountable anymore. He doesn't include the wagon that started on her earlier in the game, he dropped the second wagon, or anything she had done till when Zen got here because Zen replaced in. He says it's because he can't read people when they are aggravated but there was plenty of other things to say about her and he drops it like a hot potato! It's garbage.

Also there will not be a point three since points 1/3 simply can be put together to cut it down.

 

[#HBC | J]

Does anyone else think Joey is being a bit confident or am I just crazy? Like even just a teency bit.

Cuz I see a truckload of confidence coming from someone who says they have no confidence whatsoever.

Tery, you are 100% right.

 

[#HBC | J]

I also wanna say something about Joey this game. He is following through with what he has done before as mafia.

He doesn't scum-hunt at all. He only defends himself and hops on each and every bandwagon he can as quick as he can while he can. Can anyone pull up any examples of Joey legitamately trying to find scum or scum-hunt anyone this game besides calling people out on "weak attacks" on himself, hopping on a wagon that has already been made, went against town-flow, or do anything of that sort? All I see from Joey is defense/defense/defense/over-confidence/joking/sarcasm/not-caring.

Basically do get what I'm saying if you don't like paragraphs. (>.>) I have yet to see Joey scum-hunt because he hasn't done any scum-hunting this game.

 

[#HBC | J]

Yes, I do agree with JTB's points.

One more time for me, You agree with everything?

 

[Dooms]

Getting right to it

Vote J

- Dislike his sudden change in stance on Asdioh. He was pretty clear that he wanted a lynch on him, then claims he just wanted a chance to push Asdioh to the extreme to get reads and says he is town? You don't just pull a 180 like that.
- Massive walls of text. Paragraphs upon paragraphs are not needed when responding to single posts, responses should be short and concise. Gives the illusion of scumhunting to newbies. I didn't understand your case on Asdioh until you actually made a list of why he was scummy.
- Bull**** claim. Several reasons:
1) Claimed at L-4 when he wasn't even close to a lynch
2) No way to prove his results
3) Assuming his claim is true, targeted someone with a town read rather than a scum read, why would you want to clear someone you already have a town read on?
4) Again assuming the claim to be true, he outed himself to scum just to clear someone that is not scummy at all, why would you do that?
5) Role is just derp and is way too OP to actually exist, assuming there is a cop in the game



get this guy out of here

We're talking about this, right?

Everything except the wall of text thing, yes. Wall of text is something I don't mind since I read through them anyways lol.

 

[#HBC | J]

So that means you disagree with the flaws in logic pointed out by Roxy and T-Block?

 

[Dooms]

What?

I said I agree with JTB. Not that I disagree with them.

Lol?

 

[#HBC | J]

But if you agree with JTB you have to disagree with Roxy/T-Block.

So which is it, JTB or Roxy/T-Block?