M15t3R E
Smash Master
Absolutely. Just follow this guy's example. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzkGWj580SY
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Pika Q&A/FAQ Thread: Ask a Quick Question, Get a Quick Answer!
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Sgt. Baker
Smash Ace
So 2 questions, might be repetitive lol
1. Since there's apparently a tournament going on in the Battle Tower Thread should I hold off posting my Friend Code Data?
2. For that looking for matches we don't have to do just Pika mirrorrs right? Right?
1. Since there's apparently a tournament going on in the Battle Tower Thread should I hold off posting my Friend Code Data?
2. For that looking for matches we don't have to do just Pika mirrorrs right? Right?
KayLo!
Smarter than your average wabbit.
1. Nah, you can post your wifi info now if you want.
2. Nope, you can use any character.
altairian
Smash Lord
lol I was thinking more of using it to refresh nair since I use that so much it's hard for me to get kills OOS before ******** %'s sometimes.
Tarmogoyf
Smash Master
Use it on parts of stages you can damage and on waddle dees to refresh moves too!
M15t3R E
Smash Master
This^^^
And some of my opponents used to laugh at me when I chased after the balloon in Smashville. It's not purely for the lulz. Well, mostly.
Stealth Raptor
Smash Legend
its a tough matchup for pikachu, but its managable if you know how to camp well. also bair and uair ***** his aerials pretty badly. dont think that makes it easy though, i would not recommend it unless you know pikachu very well.
Toby.
Smash Master
Tibsssssss!
I've played ted with pika
Msn?
I've played ted with pika
Msn?
gamesuxcard
Smash Journeyman
I don't think it's that bad, it's really just a waiting game, double jump your tjolts and aim for his head, putting them right onto the ground gives him more reason to jump around. approach carefully with aerials and mix up your game for when he lands (grabs pivot grabs dsmash, tilts, shading) keep track of his fart timer. If you have the lead just make him approach. If he's coming up on his bike from below just wait him out. If he trys to bait you with an aerial from that position just be safe and jump down and footstool. If he's got a good amount of space make a thunderwall and wait for his approach back to the stage. his uair will kill you EARLY, trying to challenge it isn't even worth it, just go to the closest ledge if he's trying to challenge you while you're above. this matchup is campy as all hell but we can win it, he has an advantage but it is far from unwinnable. mix it up.
oh and learn the timing of bite. if you don't feel safe approaching at its end just throw a jolt or space an fsmash.
oh and learn the timing of bite. if you don't feel safe approaching at its end just throw a jolt or space an fsmash.
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[FBC] ESAM
Smash Legend
Pikachu can make a wall of fairs that wario can actually not really do anything about. So camp until you hit him with one and fair away. Yeah he gts fart, but we are more versatile IMO and can do much more things to him. Don't forget about grab release! If they are frantic to get out you can get a footstool or nair (or uair to nair). If not you can get a free jab, but i would suggest FHing a T-jolt backwards.
gamesuxcard
Smash Journeyman
never thought about fhing tjolts backwards out of grab releases. mmm.
[FBC] ESAM
Smash Legend
Only a ground release. If it is air release hit them for it.
gamesuxcard
Smash Journeyman
Haha I got that much =P
Stealth Raptor
Smash Legend
yeah the wario matchup never seemed super bad to me, just more of an annoyance, and a campfest. sadly i lost to a wario a couple weeks ago cause i didnt plank the last 30 seconds with a 40% lead, and he got an fsmash that i didnt DI and i died LEARN FROM MY MISTAKE lol
LEARN FROM MY MISTAKE lol
KayLo!
Smarter than your average wabbit.
What exactly can Pika do to Wario out of an air release?
I know we can do stuff, but I always go Zelda in this MU for GR > fairs. ............Unfortunately, as fun as those are, it's really easy for Wario to time Zelda out, so I've decided to go Pika from now on. =X
All I need is a nice little list for reference's sake.
[FBC] ESAM
Smash Legend
Nair, Uair, Bair, Fair, Dair, footstool, and maybe U-tilt and U-smash.
KayLo!
Smarter than your average wabbit.
Ok, thanks ESAM.
gamesuxcard
Smash Journeyman
We can get a footstool out of grab release? doesn't this mean qac lock go?
[FBC] ESAM
Smash Legend
Mmhm, but air release isn't guaranteed.
gamesuxcard
Smash Journeyman
Yeah, still, cool stuff. Seems like an all in move to just buffer the dash>>jump for the footstool we could gamble on when behind, like a nine.
[FBC] ESAM
Smash Legend
You don't need the dash, just a jump in his direction.
gamesuxcard
Smash Journeyman
even cooler. can we pikastorm a ground released wario? if so we could probably buffer the jump no matter what and then if we see he's staying on the ground just time storm. that timing could be next to impossible though, i kinda wanna test it.
KayLo!
Smarter than your average wabbit.
I don't think a ground release gives us enough of an advantage for it to be guaranteed.
Not 100% sure, though.
Not 100% sure, though.
gamesuxcard
Smash Journeyman
i'll test it eventually, i'm glad we have ideas to test at least.
Toby.
Smash Master
You can't pikastorm a ground released wario. Ground release leaves you with a 1 frame advantage, and dair hits on frame 14. I'm not familiar with the frame data for pikachu's jump, but despite that there's no way you'd have a guaranteed dair from grab release.
If you could pikastorm out of a grab release you could just infinitely regrab him out of a ground release, since grab is more than twice as fast as dair.
You'd be better served checking what you can use jab for out of a grab release. If we jab they only have 1 frame before it hits. If you ground release them close to the edge (just too far away for the air release to be guaranteed) you can probably jab to force them off stage. If they PS the jab then the shield push would probably be enough anyway... unless power shielding removes shield push back on multi hit moves.
Naturally there's the issue of them SDI'ing the jab of course.
Just a random thought.
Oh and ESAM, I was under the impression that Wario's bair beats our fair. I tested this quite a long time ago, so it's very possible that I'm not remembering it properly though.
If you could pikastorm out of a grab release you could just infinitely regrab him out of a ground release, since grab is more than twice as fast as dair.
You'd be better served checking what you can use jab for out of a grab release. If we jab they only have 1 frame before it hits. If you ground release them close to the edge (just too far away for the air release to be guaranteed) you can probably jab to force them off stage. If they PS the jab then the shield push would probably be enough anyway... unless power shielding removes shield push back on multi hit moves.
Naturally there's the issue of them SDI'ing the jab of course.
Just a random thought.
Oh and ESAM, I was under the impression that Wario's bair beats our fair. I tested this quite a long time ago, so it's very possible that I'm not remembering it properly though.
KayLo!
Smarter than your average wabbit.
Pshield = no shield push/stun.
Our jab has balls shield push anyway..... practically none.
The only real benefit to jabbing after a ground release is the possibility of a trip. Otherwise, it's pretty useless.
Toby.
Smash Master
I know if has barely any push, which is why I said we'd have to be almost at the very edge for it to be possible . But of course that's irrelevant if you're right about power shielding multi hit moves anyway. Moral of the story is that guaranteed followups out of a ground release don't exist for pikachu, unfortunately.
. But of course that's irrelevant if you're right about power shielding multi hit moves anyway. Moral of the story is that guaranteed followups out of a ground release don't exist for pikachu, unfortunately.
[FBC] ESAM
Smash Legend
BTW, I'm pretty sure fair hits through bair. Our hitbox is slightly disjointed while wario's isn't, even though it has higher priority.
tibs7
Smash Champion
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What is up my fellow negro.Tibsssssss!
I've played ted with pika
Msn?
Yeah I think ted knows diddy far too well now, I can win but he plays real gay lol. So going pika may put him off
yeah msn bruZzz thetibster_777@hotmail.com
Ps. Thanks for all this stuff guys, tWas good
Legendary Pikachu
Smash Ace
A footstool is a footstool. Only requirement is to be close, opponent not doing anything, and you press jump.
It just so happens that oftentimes, with QaC, if you zap your opponent, they are stunned, you may be close, and you press jump.
It is done by doing a Quick Attack diagonally towards the top of the ledge. When I say diagonally, I mean up-left-left (so more sideways than up). So its one of the more "wierder" (or non-cardinal) quick attack angles you could do.
If you get that done correctly, then you land almost laglessly on the stage.
Hope that helps.
gamesuxcard
Smash Journeyman
Sometimes you can qac uair to footstool, but if they're not vulnurable at the time or they just time an attack you get *****.
and cool scar.
and cool scar.
[FBC] ESAM
Smash Legend
QAC to anything doesn't work. Your opponent has enough time to shield.
altairian
Smash Lord
Some people don't react in time with their shield, or don't know that they can shield.
QAC->nair from the ledge is one of my favorite kills, it depends on them standing in the right spot but it's flashy as **** and demoralizes people
I definitely don't use QAC offensively often since it's so dangerous, but it's definitely something to keep in the arsenal IMO.
QAC->nair from the ledge is one of my favorite kills, it depends on them standing in the right spot but it's flashy as **** and demoralizes people
I definitely don't use QAC offensively often since it's so dangerous, but it's definitely something to keep in the arsenal IMO.
[FBC] ESAM
Smash Legend
>_> It MIGHT work once in a set. Don't rely on it...ever. Maybe as a random hit that people won't expect...but that works rarely.
Stealth Raptor
Smash Legend
exactly, use it sparingly as a surprise and a mixup. i wish QA had a couple frames more of hitstun sometimes
KayLo!
Smarter than your average wabbit.
I don't think I ever use QAC except for recovery or escape, lol. Been that way since it was discovered.
altairian
Smash Lord
Doesn't pika kind of rely on being unpredictable? XD
Definitely agree to use it sparingly, but it's worth knowing how to do when you see an opportunity present itself. Last time I got a QAC->nair kill in tourney a certain namesearching NY pika was watching and I heard him say "I can't even do that" O_O