Pikabunz
Smash Hero
When you hit them with the 2nd QA, do they stand up instantly? If they are, then you're doing it too slow.
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Pika Q&A/FAQ Thread: Ask a Quick Question, Get a Quick Answer!
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SSS
Smash Ace
Alright. I'll work at it. Thank you.
infiniteV115
Smash Hero
Does the QAClock work on Marth? I used to play against CPU Marths with my Pikachu, and after the 1st QA the 2nd one would miss (he would just be under the hitbox). Is there specific timing for Marth or does it just not work on him or am I just bad or what's going on here
Pikabunz
Smash Hero
From my experience, it doesn't work on him. It could be a timing thing though, I haven't really messed with it much.
SSS
Smash Ace
Ergh it's harder to go into a horizontal QAC.
I'm watching the Esam video that's linked in Generating A Win, and I'm not entirely sure how he does it. Is his QA actually going into the ground when it's horizontal?
I'm watching the Esam video that's linked in Generating A Win, and I'm not entirely sure how he does it. Is his QA actually going into the ground when it's horizontal?
Pikabunz
Smash Hero
Normally when you do the QAL you're supposed QA diagonally downwards back and forth.
SSS
Smash Ace
For some reason, that never occurred to me as an option.
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[FBC] ESAM
Smash Legend
Yeah, that's how you QAC, you have to go into the ground to initiate the Infinite Second Jump Refresh (ISJR)
Also, you can do it on marth. THe most awkward character to lock is definitely ZSS.
Also, you can do it on marth. THe most awkward character to lock is definitely ZSS.
Nicholas1024
Smash Lord
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I wonder, are QAC punishes OOS a feasible option? The QA part itself hits on frame 15, and pseudo-combos into N-air/U-air (in fact, it might be a real combo at high %'s, I don't recall.) Obviously if the enemy is close by there are better options, but if you shield something like Marth's F-smash at tipper distance, could you use a QAC N-air to punish it?
[FBC] ESAM
Smash Legend
Well QAC nair is only a combo at perfect distances starting at like...120. I think it COULD work, but I'm not 100% sure.
Gunnermaniac
Smash Ace
It seems like Marth stands up too fast to be locked or something. I could never get more than 2 or 3, and I tried a a couple of ways.
Pikabunz
Smash Hero
Marth is too skinny. Our QA goes over him sometimes.
Hey
Something happened to me some time ago when I was trying to master the buffered uair out of dthrow - here, against MK.
Pikachu sort of instantly footstooled MK after the dthrow and it wasn't looking like MK could do anything to avoid that.
It happened several times but idk what the hell I specifically did.
Also I'm 100% sure I didn't double jump... so what was that ?
Something happened to me some time ago when I was trying to master the buffered uair out of dthrow - here, against MK.
Pikachu sort of instantly footstooled MK after the dthrow and it wasn't looking like MK could do anything to avoid that.
It happened several times but idk what the hell I specifically did.
Also I'm 100% sure I didn't double jump... so what was that ?
Pikabunz
Smash Hero
Do you use tap jump on?
Pikabunz
Smash Hero
I'm not sure then. Do you have a replay of it?
Pikabunz
Smash Hero
My only explanation for this is that you accidently entered training without your tag (for tap jump off) and when you tried to buffer the uair out of the dthrow you tap jumped and that made you buffer a footstool. If you didn't know, buffering a jump using tap jump makes you buffer multiple jumps which makes you buffer instant footstools.
[FBC] ESAM
Smash Legend
I'm guessing the instant footstool isn't guaranteed, though. He goes really high @_@
Pikabunz
Smash Hero
Yeah, the footstool comes out like 2 frames too slow. It's guaranteed if you do it on a slant going up though.
No I'm sure I didn't use the tap jump on.
It's pretty weird because it's really fast
Edit : I'll try to do it in match so I can save it but I have like 1% of chance it occurs
Syko_Lemming
Smash Ace
I'm a little confused with buffering upair's out of jumps. I play with tap jump on, so is it in any way possible to dash and jump with the control stick, then just hit A? Cause I know if you press A before you jump, you'll just upsmash. Is it possible to buffer the upair with that in the way, or would I have to (theoretically) time it so I upair just after I jump?
Edit: The way I'm doing it now is just Dash > Y > slight tilt up on the control stick + A
Edit: The way I'm doing it now is just Dash > Y > slight tilt up on the control stick + A
Pikabunz
Smash Hero
Having tap jump on or off doesn't really matter. If you hold up slightly and do Y > A, it'll buffer an uair instead of usmash. So the way it's done is kinda how you said it, Dash > slightly tilt up > Y > A
Syko_Lemming
Smash Ace
Would it be possible to dash > tap jump > Y > A ? The effect would be a buffered double jump upair instead of a full hop upair.
Pikabunz
Smash Hero
Yes it would, but I dunno why you would do that.
Syko_Lemming
Smash Ace
Just cause it's easier.
Pikabunz
Smash Hero
A nair would come out actually, not uair.
Syko_Lemming
Smash Ace
...Even though you're holding up? You don't have to release the control stick before you press Y.
Pikabunz
Smash Hero
Oh you're holding up? How would that be any different from the other way then?
Syko_Lemming
Smash Ace
Dash > tap jump > Y > A(still holding up)
If you tap jump and try to buffer an upair normally, you'll just upsmash. Pressing Y makes you buffer a double jump, then you don't have to worry about how far up you press the control stick to get an upair out. I'm terrible at judging that distance, so it's easier for me this way.
If you tap jump and try to buffer an upair normally, you'll just upsmash. Pressing Y makes you buffer a double jump, then you don't have to worry about how far up you press the control stick to get an upair out. I'm terrible at judging that distance, so it's easier for me this way.
Hey I've played Brawl just now and tried some stuff, and I did something I never did before with Pika but you prolly already now.
You know the cancel of the quick attack around the ledge right ? Then I did pretty much the same but Pika wasn't standing on the floor without lag but was still in the air.
It's fun because you can do it several times pretty fast (from the ledge you fastfall then jump and do it over and over).
I did it only 3 times in a row but I'm not sure how I can do it 100% on purpose and dissociate the right manipulation from the one for the know cancel.
I hope I've been clear enough lol.
Also take a break off the game is very cool for tight timings.
You know the cancel of the quick attack around the ledge right ? Then I did pretty much the same but Pika wasn't standing on the floor without lag but was still in the air.
It's fun because you can do it several times pretty fast (from the ledge you fastfall then jump and do it over and over).
I did it only 3 times in a row but I'm not sure how I can do it 100% on purpose and dissociate the right manipulation from the one for the know cancel.
I hope I've been clear enough lol.
Also take a break off the game is very cool for tight timings.
[FBC] ESAM
Smash Legend
I'm not quite sure of the differences in timing to get the one off the edge and the one on the edge, but yeah it could definitely be practical for some mindgames.
Pikabunz
Smash Hero
Does that really work? An upsmash should still come out even if you're buffering a double jump.
Good news, I'm pretty sure I found how to do it.
Once you're on the ledge, instead of straight fastfall or just fall then jump then QA, you have to slightly shift to the opposite side of the ledge while fastfall or just fall, then jump then QA.
Pikachu will cancel his QA and stay in the air.
So it has nothing to do with timing.
Once you're on the ledge, instead of straight fastfall or just fall then jump then QA, you have to slightly shift to the opposite side of the ledge while fastfall or just fall, then jump then QA.
Pikachu will cancel his QA and stay in the air.
So it has nothing to do with timing.
Syko_Lemming
Smash Ace
It seems to be working for me. I got the idea when firefly told me how yoshi does one of this reversals. (tap jump > X > A, makes him do kind of a wavedash animation)
NETOmx
Smash Apprentice
You were talking about this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hoO_OdK3Qw
So anyone, can you tell me what the code is that I have to use? Where do I have to use the .pac file?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hoO_OdK3Qw
So anyone, can you tell me what the code is that I have to use? Where do I have to use the .pac file?
Hey guys
I have been able to record what I was previously talking about (the QA air cancel at the edge, and the weird footstool out of dthrow when I mess up the dash jump uair buffer)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_dRfLw6HeI
The footstool is at the very end of the video.
PS : tap jump is off with this tag and I did press jump only once when it happened even if it doesn't seem so
I have been able to record what I was previously talking about (the QA air cancel at the edge, and the weird footstool out of dthrow when I mess up the dash jump uair buffer)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_dRfLw6HeI
The footstool is at the very end of the video.
PS : tap jump is off with this tag and I did press jump only once when it happened even if it doesn't seem so
[FBC] ESAM
Smash Legend
I knew about the QA thing, it is just hard to consistently get the spacing (Although I should practice it)
That footstool was really fast, but I don't think it would be fast enough if the MK would spam uair or something like that.
That footstool was really fast, but I don't think it would be fast enough if the MK would spam uair or something like that.