Let me draw you guys something....its....
THE VOTE COUNT
Mentosman8 [2] : Gheb, Marshy
KevinM [1] : Pierre
Riddle [1] : Cacti
Cacti [1] : Riddle,
Chaco [3] : KevinM, SwordsRbroken, Macman
Not voting: XACE-K, Sinz, Mentosman8, The_Truth, Chaco
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Phoenix Wright Mafia [GAME OVER!]
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Let me draw you guys something....its....
THE VOTE COUNT
Mentosman8 [2] : Gheb, Marshy
KevinM [1] : Pierre
Riddle [1] : Cacti
Cacti [1] : Riddle,
Chaco [3] : KevinM, SwordsRbroken, Macman
Not voting: XACE-K, Sinz, Mentosman8, The_Truth, Chaco
lol what a terrible vote count
I have no idea what any of you are talking about.
... This post is beyond words.
best votecounts ever
how can i? you never justified your vote on cacti. all i saw was an unexplained vote, a wagon form on someone you supposedly thought was scummy, then criticize the players who were going the same direction you were. why did you vote cacti?
how can i? you never justified your vote on cacti. all i saw was an unexplained vote, a wagon form on someone you supposedly thought was scummy, then criticize the players who were going the same direction you were. why did you vote cacti?
i voted you because i thought your scumhunting has been nearly nonexistent. why is that? i expect more from youThanks for the vote Marshy, thought we were trying to skip the random voting
i don't agree with this. i didn't see the macman/pierre argument likely to soak up the rest of the day discussion and thought it was a nice way to end the RVS and get things rolling
what did you mean by this?
don't like this. chaco since you're pretty confident in your reads why don't make things happen by backing it up? you most likely won't be followed by posting like this as you haven't given any thought process. ugh it's like you're TRYING to be ambiguous here which is just confusing
At the two things directed at me Marshy, the first being I really like the term smell me and just wanted to use it towards a fellow bro. Sorry if I threw off your scumdar in any way, I hope we can remain bros. Secondly I like totally thing that Macman would be a better player if he didn't tunnel his reads on people. By getting the idea that someone is scum and only driving at that point he limits himself.
Hitman JT
The Infinite One
Wanna explain your reasoning behind why you wanna lynch me so badly? Why are you looking more and more suspicious to me? Why the f*** do you keep callin me T_T (just Truth dude. Sayin T_T makes it look like you're crying >_>)
lol T_T sounds cooler. It's a gut thing, which is why i'm not voting for you or pushing your lynch, since I don't have much to back up with...
I agree about Chaco, marshy. I don't think i commented early but him saying crap like "I'm not gonna tell you why he's scummy because I don't want you to know how my mind works." is just weird and doesn't really makes sense. You can't expect people to want to hop on a bandwagon you present if you don't actually present a case along with it. And I don't see why it would so harmful for Kevin or anyone else to know how you think. Can you explain that to me?
And Chaco, I am sure that the purpose of vote's and foses in it's most natural sense is to show town that you are suspicious of who you voted,fosed. It can be used for a number of things; that is correct. But it's basic meaning stays the same. You FOSing along with telling me to "back down on my lynch-happiness" gives the reader the impression that you are suspicious of me because I am so lynch happy. If that's not the point you wanted to portray then an FOS wouldn't have been appropriate in that instant.
My biggest gripe with you and everyone else is it doesn't see, like you have genuine curiosity about people's alignments. Your lack of scumhunting and quality posts emphasize this notion.
@JUNGLE I believe I am voting for chaco.
Marshy, mentos hasn't seemed to out of the ordinary to me. But Megamafia is the last game I've played with him and he did play sort of similar to this.
Can everyone weigh in on the case against Chaco? if you haven't already of course.
I'd love it for Ace to post more.
I agree about Chaco, marshy. I don't think i commented early but him saying crap like "I'm not gonna tell you why he's scummy because I don't want you to know how my mind works." is just weird and doesn't really makes sense. You can't expect people to want to hop on a bandwagon you present if you don't actually present a case along with it. And I don't see why it would so harmful for Kevin or anyone else to know how you think. Can you explain that to me?
And Chaco, I am sure that the purpose of vote's and foses in it's most natural sense is to show town that you are suspicious of who you voted,fosed. It can be used for a number of things; that is correct. But it's basic meaning stays the same. You FOSing along with telling me to "back down on my lynch-happiness" gives the reader the impression that you are suspicious of me because I am so lynch happy. If that's not the point you wanted to portray then an FOS wouldn't have been appropriate in that instant.
My biggest gripe with you and everyone else is it doesn't see, like you have genuine curiosity about people's alignments. Your lack of scumhunting and quality posts emphasize this notion.
@JUNGLE I believe I am voting for chaco.
Marshy, mentos hasn't seemed to out of the ordinary to me. But Megamafia is the last game I've played with him and he did play sort of similar to this.
Can everyone weigh in on the case against Chaco? if you haven't already of course.
I'd love it for Ace to post more.
Hitman JT
The Infinite One
T_T does NOT sound cooler (T_T = tee-tee = sounds like a certain part of a females body) :/
Lol i'm not gonna argue over which name sounds cooler...i'm just used to being called Truth XD
Right now i'm gonna go ahead and FoS: Chaco
He almost seems too confident and as I look at his posts he seems to be desperately trying to avoid suspicion ever since he's been under the spotlight.
Lol i'm not gonna argue over which name sounds cooler...i'm just used to being called Truth XD
Right now i'm gonna go ahead and FoS: Chaco
He almost seems too confident and as I look at his posts he seems to be desperately trying to avoid suspicion ever since he's been under the spotlight.
I meant it looks cooler =D
T_T
T_T
Hitman JT
The Infinite One
Lol, fair enough.
My initials are TT.
carry on.
carry on.
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I actually didn't notice that til you said that. Good eye.
So he is just throwing votes out there, and telling everyone else to find things. That is odd.macman said:
Thanks for bringing this up. I had noticed this, and was going to bring up that he just seems way too confident.
Why are you so confident?chaco said:
How are you so sure?chaco said:
So without having done any "hard" work to find scum, you are ABSOLUTELY sure that Gheb is scum. HOW?
FOS:Chaco
ebwop: The biggest gripe that I and I think everyone else has with you, is that it doesn't seem like...
Man my grammar is so weird sometimes. I constantly forget whole worse in the statements I make and sometimes substitute words with other ones that sound similar. Like today I noticed that I used the word 'obvious' instead of 'opposite' in one of my posts.
I've seriously just been ****ing with ya'll, and I apologize about that. Don't think it's a cop out. But I am
going to have to replace out. Sorry. I came in the game not caring much, and it's really showing. Reads are legit though maybe they'll help down the road.
Jungle: Sorry bro, but Rockins gonna have to step in. I found out Im getting hired today, so my limited free time just became none.
going to have to replace out. Sorry. I came in the game not caring much, and it's really showing. Reads are legit though maybe they'll help down the road.
Jungle: Sorry bro, but Rockins gonna have to step in. I found out Im getting hired today, so my limited free time just became none.
Hitman JT
The Infinite One
You can't leave just yet! Because I have evidence and a decisive witness that will erase all doubt and confirm that YOU, Chaco, are the true criminal!
........actually no I don't. I just wanted to feel cool for once...
Rockin Replaces Chaco
Hey guys. Just give me a few minutes to catch up on the thread here.
Kay? Kay. :D
Kay? Kay. :D
(Out of game: I'm sorry man but this is really petty and actually kind of insulting, I won't talk anymore about it because the game is still ongoing but this **** won't fly to me it's a really really **** move to pull in a game where everyone else is commited)
Alright, I finally caught up, so it's time I start to share a few things
OH GOD Chaco, why are you such fail?
I don't know what the hell Chaco was thinking, but it was pretty ignorant. I'm a bit surprised Chaco is still living atm. From what I read, I don't see anything out of the ordinary from Gheb, so I don't know how chaco is '90%' certain Gheb is scum. Nor do I know he tries confirming who's town and who's scum. Ugh...
In any case, I'm in the game now and I'll do my best to add on/help out with discussion.
Let me start by adding in my 2 cents to what's been said so far
Macman vs Pierre - So far, I'm reading off to what looks to be a TvT scenario. Both of their styles are clashing with one another and neither one doesn't seem to like how the other plays (or at least, just Pierre towards Macman). From what I've seen, Pierre just seems to be scumhunting his own way. The question he asked Macman was slightly interesting, but at the same time, not much needed. I would understand if this question was asked out of the game, but it wasn't, which led me to believe why he would ask it. This is Pierre's first time playing with Macman and others (including myself with Pierre), so let's see how that plays.
The argument in terms of gifs is just a dead end trail of discussion. Why would it matter? In anycase, it's too early to determine whether gifs are an issue or not. As Macman pointed out, the words under the gifs are important. So far, I have not seen an issue with the gifs nor have others (as from what I can tell, it's still being used by others)
If I've missed something that has been generally asked about or you got a question, ask away.
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OH GOD Chaco, why are you such fail?
I don't know what the hell Chaco was thinking, but it was pretty ignorant. I'm a bit surprised Chaco is still living atm. From what I read, I don't see anything out of the ordinary from Gheb, so I don't know how chaco is '90%' certain Gheb is scum. Nor do I know he tries confirming who's town and who's scum. Ugh...
In any case, I'm in the game now and I'll do my best to add on/help out with discussion.
Let me start by adding in my 2 cents to what's been said so far
Macman vs Pierre - So far, I'm reading off to what looks to be a TvT scenario. Both of their styles are clashing with one another and neither one doesn't seem to like how the other plays (or at least, just Pierre towards Macman). From what I've seen, Pierre just seems to be scumhunting his own way. The question he asked Macman was slightly interesting, but at the same time, not much needed. I would understand if this question was asked out of the game, but it wasn't, which led me to believe why he would ask it. This is Pierre's first time playing with Macman and others (including myself with Pierre), so let's see how that plays.
The argument in terms of gifs is just a dead end trail of discussion. Why would it matter? In anycase, it's too early to determine whether gifs are an issue or not. As Macman pointed out, the words under the gifs are important. So far, I have not seen an issue with the gifs nor have others (as from what I can tell, it's still being used by others)
If I've missed something that has been generally asked about or you got a question, ask away.
Unvote
Who are your suspicions?
Just two so far. SwordsRBroken and sinz
So far, from what I've seen, Swords just adds very little to the discussion and seems to quickly ready to wagon whenever the chance arise. Not really helping town or helping the discussion evolve in anyway.
Then there's this from Sinz. Trying to make Macman look bad when Macman himself has explained that he was clearly joking. And Macman wasn't 'attacking' Pierre. It just seemed like Macman got a bit defensive and held his ground against Pierre. From the looks of things, it seems like Pierre was the one that attacked Macman first.
Fos: Sinz and Swords
Don't agree with those FOSes at all.
Yet again you didn't answer my questions.
Besides why would town want to minimize their lynch time if they get evidence on who's scum as a trade off? I really want you to answer that alongside the other question because so far your behaviour has been very confusing tbh and your posts have little substance.
Stop that, please. All those "I agree" posts are so frustrating to read. We have way too many parrots in this game. If you agree with somebody you should AT LEAST provide reasons or substantiate some points. Posts like these are blatantly unhelpful especially when they're coming from a major suspect like you, Cacti.
What about that is suspicous to you? To me it seems more like he was simply wrong and he genuinely believed that Mac's behaviour was noteworthy. So yeah, I disagree with the FoS on Sinz. I found him to be fairly productive and helpful. Don't see how he's scummy at all.
Pierre and Ace need to post more. Maybe it's just me but I haven't heard much from Pierre in quite a while and Ace ... I don't think he has more than 1 post so far =/
What do you guys think of a massnameclaim? I actually kind of want to do it early and get it out of the way. I don't think mafia will gain that much information by knowing who we are playing.
I am like completely against them. **** flavor. I saw we like forget about flavor this whole game and just play it down and dirty.
I retract this statement
Hitman JT
The Infinite One
Rockin...just a reminder, you're replacing Chaco who was a prime suspect before you took his spot, so you're already in the gutter. Not your fault tho. Swords is a possibility but I don't get how you see Sinz as scummy from that one quote.
SwordsRbroken
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They might, but they might not. Like if you had one who is a mass murder in the games, for example, you might know immediately that he may be like a Vig. If it's necessary though, i think we should do it.
Because of the thing I quoted. The part where Macman talks about 'random voting.' Looking back, and from what I saw, everyone was immediatly out of the RVS except maybe Macman (or he was also out, but wasn't taking the current topic at hand seriously). It seem apparant that Macman was joking about randomly lynching people. Everyone else took it seriously. So to use that argument against him was pretty weak at best. I know he unvoted Macman, but still...
Truth - I know I came at a time where Chaco has been put on the grill, but the only main reason why (to what I believe) he was in that spot in the first place because of how unhelpful he was in this game. Hopefully, I can make a change to that.
Never know. We want to give Mafia as little to none to work with as possible. I'm against it, really. We should only use it when we either have little options or when it's garanteed to catch scum.
I disagree. Mafia could get a good idea on whom to target depending on claims. Didn't you play Dinomafia? Didn't you learn from it? Mafia basically got a guaranteed PR kill the night after the mass claim because of that.
"You actually kind of want to do it early to get it out of the way". What kind of reasoning is that? Who said that a nameclaim is a good idea at any point of this game? Not to mention that it might not even be necessary? Why would anybody want to "get it out of the way". What does that even mean?
I'm against it.
You quite frankly confuse me. You make statements and votes but "retract" them only a few posts afterwards when none of the posts in bewteen imply that you may have changed your mind and you don't elaborate on why you unvote/retract your statements either.
What? I was mafia in Dinomafia, I don't remember the nameclaim helping us determine who to kill. I'm not sure tho. In every singled themed game we played here, we ended up nameclaiming, and nameclaiming never actually helped town and in some cases it hurt us. So I figured nameclaiming now would be ok, since we will probably end up doing it anyways, and doing it early means that mafia has to stick to the fakeclaims they come up with, which may make things harder for them if they want to attempt to fakeclaim a role. [unless of course JF gave them fakeclaims] And doing it now means that later in the game we won't be as persuaded to lynch someone based off of their name. I also didn't see how mafia could determine PRs based off of the characters in this game, since all of us supposedly did some murder-related type thing. Swords brought up a good point tho. I'm about 50/50 on the nameclaim, i'm with kevin tho that relying on flavor is dumb and distracting, which is why i'd rather do it now, then sometime in lylo. Disregarding flavor completely would be cool though. Anyways, i had ulterior motives in suggesting the nameclaim.
And yea Gheb, my b. I'm just like that dunno why
And yea Gheb, my b. I'm just like that dunno why
In response to the name-claim idea, definitely not yet. Potential mafia gain vs potential town gain at this point is likely leaning toward the mafia side, and I think the put it out there right now stands to hurt more than help.
To Marshy's now explained vote, I know I'm kind of lacking on input so far. Mostly this is because I don't have any solid reads right now and am trying to get a decision made. Sinz last post definitely stood out though. It looks like a good sized post, but is essentially just him quoting other people's arguments about Chaco, throwing out a little one-liner about each one(and not really thoughts, pretty much just "I agree," and then following up with some questions that are, essentially, the basis of the arguments he just said he agreed with. The questions are redundant, as the arguments he says he agrees with point out the exact things he's asking already, and the rest of the post is just "I agree." Hopefully I'll have a bit more later after work.
Also, on just kinda a fun/entertaining note, if you add the votes needed to be lynched(7) and the total players(13), you get 20, and the deadline is on my birthday when I turn 20. It's a conspiracy I tell you!
To Marshy's now explained vote, I know I'm kind of lacking on input so far. Mostly this is because I don't have any solid reads right now and am trying to get a decision made. Sinz last post definitely stood out though. It looks like a good sized post, but is essentially just him quoting other people's arguments about Chaco, throwing out a little one-liner about each one(and not really thoughts, pretty much just "I agree," and then following up with some questions that are, essentially, the basis of the arguments he just said he agreed with. The questions are redundant, as the arguments he says he agrees with point out the exact things he's asking already, and the rest of the post is just "I agree." Hopefully I'll have a bit more later after work.
Also, on just kinda a fun/entertaining note, if you add the votes needed to be lynched(7) and the total players(13), you get 20, and the deadline is on my birthday when I turn 20. It's a conspiracy I tell you!
Cacti
Smash Journeyman
Swords' responses to my questions are in bold.
In the first one, he tries to explain away his bandwagoning by saying that he did it to pressure people for a reaction. However, this is clearly not the case. He bandwagoned onto me because he wanted me dead: In another post, he says this,
while bandwagoning onto Chaco. However, in his second response to my questions on the first quote, he says that he doesn't want to have an early lynch, and tries to explain his unvote. However in this post, it's clear that he's fine with a lynch this early, contradicting his earlier one.
After, he vaguely suggests a no lynch.
Swords has just been trying to end this day quick, first by wagoning onto me, wagoning onto chaco, and then maybe seeing if he can get a no lynch to happen. He's been trying to cover his tracks by first unvoting when others start to, then explaining away his unvoting and bandwagoning with the typical reasons: "For pressure", when it was clearly not so.
Unvote, Vote: SwordsRbroken
( You'd rather me stay in a game where I will be able to post in random intervals, and maybe not for days at a time? I replaced out for Jungle. I'm not gonna make him go through my long inactivity. If you have a problem with it, well sorry. Life is interfering majorly, and I can't make a commitment to a game in good mindset knowing I'll only be able to post little snippets. Sorry bro, but it's not gonna work out that way ever.)
Sorry for not posting (school johns) so right now I'll Vote:Swords and FoS:Rockin
I'm voting swords because of his flip-flopping over lynching. His posts have changed from wanting a quick lynch, to opposing bandwagoning, to bandwagoning again, and then deciding we should wait until lynching.
As for Rockin, it's not truly his fault but really Chaco's.
I'm voting swords because of his flip-flopping over lynching. His posts have changed from wanting a quick lynch, to opposing bandwagoning, to bandwagoning again, and then deciding we should wait until lynching.
As for Rockin, it's not truly his fault but really Chaco's.
Chaco comes off really bold in this post and it irks me. After a few days into day 1 he already believes who's town and who's not.
SwordsRbroken
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QUOTE=Cacti;8723787]I'm finding myself agreeing with Kevin right now, but I'd like to hear from Chaco.[/QUOTE] You don't contribute anything to the discussion here.
Another insightful post.
and i have no idea what this one was about.
What do you mean "End the day quickly?" I've been saying that it's usually a good idea for the town to usually maximize their time to get reads on people, unless you are sure that the person is scum. And i was not trying to get a no-lynch to happen, that's crap. I will admit that i have been a little bandwagon jumpy. Quite a few of your posts contribute nothing to the discussion. From what i see, you're trying to shift the blame from yourself to someone else because you're one of the major suspects aside from Chaco. FoS:Cacti
Pierre the Scarecrow
Grasping at Straws
Junglefever, you should probably update the first post with the replacement update. I regularly look at the player list to remind myself who I haven't paid enough attention to.
Mentosman, who are you suspicious of?
You want to elaborate on this?
The most interesting thing about the Chaco to Rockin replacement is Chaco's (90% on Day 1) confidence that Gheb is scum, and then Rockin's dismissal of this view immediately upon entry, providing two other FoSes. They (Chaco, Rockin) are the same alignment, but their opinions differ greatly in a phase where Chaco is seen as suspicious. Rockin, you don't have to worry about being linked to Chaco for sharing his suspicions. Do you find Gheb suspicious at all?
XACE-K... do you really think that is good reasoning to get on a SwordsRbroken lynch? And your opinion on Rockin is not solid either. Frankly, I find both of your suspicions to be a bad combination of popular and poorly reasoned.
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Mentosman, who are you suspicious of?
Hi. It's Wednesday. I last posted on Sunday. It will be like this - mid-week, weekend, mid-week, weekend - unless I find more free time.
No.
Except Phoenix Wright, and Miles Edgeworth, and Maya Fey, and Detective Gumshoe, and etc.
You want to elaborate on this?
Truth, why did you feel the need to remind Rockin that he was replacing into suspicion?
Go away. You are not in the game anymore.
The most interesting thing about the Chaco to Rockin replacement is Chaco's (90% on Day 1) confidence that Gheb is scum, and then Rockin's dismissal of this view immediately upon entry, providing two other FoSes. They (Chaco, Rockin) are the same alignment, but their opinions differ greatly in a phase where Chaco is seen as suspicious. Rockin, you don't have to worry about being linked to Chaco for sharing his suspicions. Do you find Gheb suspicious at all?
XACE-K... do you really think that is good reasoning to get on a SwordsRbroken lynch? And your opinion on Rockin is not solid either. Frankly, I find both of your suspicions to be a bad combination of popular and poorly reasoned.
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