Unofficial current vote count (7/13):
SwordsRbroken [4] Cacti, XACE-K, Rockin, Sinz
The Truth [3] KevinM, Macman, Gheb_01
Mentosman8 [1] Marshy
Cacti [1] SwordsRbroken
Not voting [4] Mentosman8, The_Truth, Pierre the Scarecrow, Riddle
The current Straw Poll:
- Pierre the Scarecrow
[*]Macman
[*]Gheb_01
[*]Marshy
[*]KevinM
[*]Rockin
[*]Riddle
[*]XACE-K
[*]Cacti
[*]SwordsRbroken
[*]Sinz
[*]Mentosman
[*]The_Truth
Macman, Gheb, Marshy looking pretty good right now.
I'm pretty surprised that Macman's flavor comments got the complete cold shoulder that they did. Its not good to lynch solely based on flavor, but I thought he actually had something going there and then absolutely no one commented on it (except for Gheb, when asked by Macman). Initially, SwordsR Gheb, and Mentos all posted their opinions againstt a mass name-claim, but after the orange-yellow quote development they did not. Macman, I did not misunderstand anything (like XACE-K, maybe Rockin said I may have possibly done). You said we should mass name-claim because you didn't think it could hurt any of the town power roles, and I protested because I said it could hurt Phoenix Wright, Miles Edgeworth, Maya Fey, Pearls, Detective Gumshoe, Lotta Hart, etc. Some of those are kind of shoo-ins for role-powers. I would include other defendants in that list, like Larry Butz, Oldbag, etc. etc. You stated you think the "good guys" (Wright & Co.) team are the mafia, because the opening posts talked about people breaking out of jail. But it also talked about Phoenix being their target. To be quite honest, I don't know if the "good guys" are the mafia. I know that some bad guys are town, that is for sure. You stated that you're a criminal and you're town. I'm fine with that. But it seems like there are a lot of "good guys" who would be in the mafia - if Wright, Maya, and Edgeworth were the mafia, for instance, then that could leave Gumshoe, Girlie von Karma, Daddy von Karma, etc. as town aligned flavor-screws. And then there are some people who have been sentenced who don't really hold ill will towards Phoenix Wright (Prosecutor Godot) or have strange relationships with Phoenix Wright (Dahlia Hawthorne). It could have been a good discussion, because obviously we each individually have but one piece of information, and I think it could still be a bit salvaged, but it was literally looked over by almost everyone.
*Click*
“They know. They know we want Wright.”
“He’s never failed to figure out who’s at the bottom of crimes! We have to get him before he gets us!”
“What if one of us cracks under the pressure? He’s tough, he has eyes, ears all over the place!”
“Then you will suffer the same fate as Wright.”
This dialogue is what we're talking about; specifically, I would like to emphasize the second half that I have bolded. "You will suffer the same fate as Wright," does that not imply that the criminals are divided by motive? Possibly, by alignment?
Gheb is on point. Mentosman posted a sort of fluffy update about how he needed to spend more time thinking but he noted he suspected Sinz. Then, Gheb asked him specifically for his FOSes. Mentosman hadn't responded yet, so I echoed this request. Mentosman then responded, stating that he remembered distinctly saying he suspected Sinz, though in actuality he only mentioned it in passing, with weak accusation, no FOS, no vote. Gheb noted that, which I was planning to note in my read, which I like to see.
A few people are asking mass-questions, but Marshys seem consistently legitimate, looking for specific answers as opposed to simply asking a question about a statement. In contrast, when Macman took back a statement, Sinz asked him why. Macman's reasoning can almost be inferred, and if not, I don't understand what you accomplish by asking him his motives for retracting an opinion/question.
KevinM looking okay too.
I have a bit of trouble following KevinM's opinions, because he is very, very succinct. It is nice to be concise (and fine to rhyme), but I have a bit of trouble following exactly why you make certain decisions. You're voting, and when you do say things they are strong opinions, which is more than I can read from most everyone else. However, I wish you would explain things more instead of putting down your actions seemingly passively. It would help me. But you're looking okay right now too. You built a really detailed and good case on Chaco in post #148, so I know you can thoroughly explain your reasoning all the time, and it would also keep Marshy from spending time asking you to explain your actions and allow him to focus on everyone else. That sounds like a good thing.
Chaco Rockin seems to be floundering Town.
I think everyone in the game noted suspicion of Chaco (specifically: KevinM, Cacti, Sinz, SwordsR, and The_Truth all either voted for or FOSed him). Chaco looked terrible. What he said made neither logical nor semantic sense and he more or less issued commands and remained (possibly purposefully) ambiguous. Rockin replaced in and retracted basically all of Chaco's opinions. Rockin double FOSed SwordsR and Sinz, pointing out that SwordsR likes to bandwagon, and basically a FOS-chainsaw defense (though not really scummy) of Macman by FOSing Sinz for FOSing Macman. I'm okay with that. I'm also okay to assume that, as Marshy has noted, Chaco is more timid as scum. I can see that pre-endgame situation in Newbie #1 when he flipped a proverbial sh
it. In #251 Rockin states that his FOS of Sinz is dying and his FOS of Swords is still living strong, and voted SwordsR. He also said he can't make heads or tails of my flavor discussion with Macman. Rockin, how do you feel about The_Truth, Mentosman, and Cacti, and why do you fail to understand a simple flavor discussion? Answer those two questions and you are golden.
Riddle can be golden, too.
I agree with your concern that Cacti basically agreed with you in #67, and then pulled a U-turn and said you were scummy for what he previously agreed with you on in #82. You voted for Cacti (with Macman and SwordsR applying bandwagon pressure immediately after), and I'm okay with that. Your #249 analysis of the obvious SwordsR v Cacti beef is pretty good too and not just repeating facts but extrapolating information. However, you now seem satisfied with Cacti. With your retraction of your hunt on Cacti, I find myself at a loss for what you actually think right now, and your current opinions are important.
XACE-K needs to fill in the blanks.
Your post #135, although very late, showed a very good understanding of the current game. You had obviously read and and comprehended what was going on, and expressed this comprehension. You then disappeared again. In post #198 you voted for SwordsR for flip-flopping (actually, more like bandwagoning IMO) and FOSed Rockin for inheriting a specifically bad post by Chaco. You then quickly explained your vote on SwordsR in #201 for me: mostly disagreeing with SwordsR's bandwagoning+voting+unvoting patterns, finding SwordsR still scummy for ignoring things. Okay. Your vote is still currently on SwordsR, but you have yet to comment on some of the other things going on in the thread - specifically, what do you think about Cacti and The_Truth, and possibly Sinz?
SwordsRbroken needs to be more, and to pay attention.
Your playstyle is heavy on bandwagon. After reading your only game (correct me if that's wrong) on Smashboards, Ronike's Test Subject Mafia, you saw the power of bandwagoning first hand as your downfall. Your playstyle makes sense, then. You voted Cacti for Riddle's reasons in 120, after Macman did, presumably to apply pressure and give the bandwagon some real strength. Why, then, did you get off after Gheb questioned your reasoning (without explicitly telling you to get off)?
You are very pro-pressure bandwagon. But you need to be
more than that. Your pro-Cacti-bandwagon vote has garnered you a Cacti vote, an XACE-K vote, and a Rockin vote. Sinz is voting you too.
In #211, then, you responded to Cacti's opinions on you, but ignored XACE-K's.
Also, you stated that you think this game is probably 3 scum and 1 indy. Doesn't that seem a little tilted towards scum to you? And why do you think there's an indy?
Tell me what you think about XACE-K, Sinz, and The_Truth, apart from your main Cacti suspicion.
Cacti has some 'splaining to do.
Your entrance to the game was a bad one. #67 was simply "What Riddle said," followed by #82's "I agree that Marshy says Riddle is wrong!" and a FOS and later vote on Riddle. Blatant waffle. In #129 you simply state that you must have misunderstood what Riddle said, but I don't really follow how that is possible. Thats #1.
Later, in #155, you stated "I find myself agreeing with Kevin right now, I'd like to hear from Chaco," when KevinM's two main suspicious were Chaco... and you. You did not address his suspicions of you, you simply agreed with his suspicions of Chaco. Thats #2.
You had pretty good reasoning in #141 vs. SwordsRbroken, but he easily dismissed hsi behavior as bandwagoning (and not necessarily the bad kind) in 143. Now in #244 you say Sinz contributes little to nothing to discussion, which is true.
So where do you stand, Cacti? You are the current spearhead on the SwordsR lynch. Is this where you still stand? And what do you think about my current Straw Poll?
Sinz, Mentosman, and The_Truth do not contribute, though they could each step up in their own right.
In #140, Sinz voted Macman for weak reasons and FOSed SwordsR due to misunderstanding his not-lynch-yet attitude as no-lynch pushing. Weak. In #151 you unvote Macman, and accept that you misread SwordsR. Later, you say you have two theories you want to pursue, and while the one you stated could be a decent scumhunting route, it is made of WIFOM and you admit to not even being able to apply it to this game. And, I think that's it, except you still vote SwordsR. I really need to know what page you are on, Sinz. Go ahead and tell me how you feel about the people in this game, specifically, and why you feel that way, specifically. You need to put more on record.
Mentosman is gone, for the most part, and I dont like that. #107 is just an "I know its already been said..." which seems to sum up Mentosman just fine this game. Your FOS on Sinz in #142 is almost okay, but you don't act on it. #262 you say you are starting to see what is scummy about SwordsR, but you dont act on it. You don't comment on Sinz to follow up on what you feel about him, and you ignore Cacti or The_Truth, who are also in this game and I expected you to say at least something about them. Where are you? Go through this list and say what you agree/disagree with, apart from just my analysis of you specifically. You probably hold the
most room for improvement on this list.
The_Truth is fairly facepalm a lot, and scummy the rest of the time. "I thought I told you that already" statement that was never verified. "This is probably gonna blow up in my face," weird+bad attitude. Why does it blow up in your face, because it should, because you're scum and you know it? Etc. You then said "Bandwagoning without reasoning seems suspicious to me," but didn't specify who you were talking about, when it was obviously Chaco, and therefore you didn't FOS or vote anyone. Then, when questioned about that, you stated specifically "everyone who did it," when it was really JUST Chaco. In #127 you said that the points raised against Cacti were legit, but you still didn't vote. In #190 you felt the need to "remind" Rockin that he replaced into a suspicious spot. Weird.
You basically add nothing. You don't do anything, and you say weird things. To compound this, The_Truth has recently attracted the votes of 3 people that I separately think are all Town aligned.
With this, I think all of my stances are very clear. Therefore, I'm not going to specifically FOS anyone.
vote: The_Truth
This should put him at L-2. Obviously, I look forward to reading responses to what I said in this analysis, especially when specifically requested, before the Day ends or a pre-lynch claim happens.