Hitman JT
The Infinite One
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Phoenix Wright Mafia [GAME OVER!]
- Thread starter DtJ Jungle
- Start date
“This just in. There has been a breakout of several convicted murderers here at the state prison this morning. No details have been disclosed on who has escaped, but the police are telling the people to remain vigilant. It seems that all these murderers were convicted by ‘ace attorney’ Phoenix Wright within the last three years. Mr. Wright, a defense attorney and somewhat of an investigator, has been notified of the situation, and wishes to aid the police in any way. Stay tuned in for more details.”
*Click*
“They know. They know we want Wright.”
“He’s never failed to figure out who’s at the bottom of crimes! We have to get him before he gets us!”
“What if one of us cracks under the pressure? He’s tough, he has eyes, ears all over the place!”
“Then you will suffer the same fate as Wright.”
Day 1 BEGINS!
*Click*
“They know. They know we want Wright.”
“He’s never failed to figure out who’s at the bottom of crimes! We have to get him before he gets us!”
“What if one of us cracks under the pressure? He’s tough, he has eyes, ears all over the place!”
“Then you will suffer the same fate as Wright.”
Day 1 BEGINS!
Hah, That there Wright thinks he can put us away? We'll show that ****er.
Just follow me, and we'll catch scum in no time!
truth have you played mafia before? if so where?
chaco why do you want an alliance with macman?
swords how many scumbuddies do you have? will they be feeding you lines throughout the game?
everyone else do you feel like there's a better way to start off the game than jokevoting? if so how?
chaco why do you want an alliance with macman?
swords how many scumbuddies do you have? will they be feeding you lines throughout the game?
everyone else do you feel like there's a better way to start off the game than jokevoting? if so how?
Truth - Please don't use the gradient at any point in this game. It's impossible to quote.
Well...
We can randomize the lynch for today so that we don't have to go through the annoying process of wading through RVS and d1 shenaningans and immediately move to n1 where we can get information to really start playing.
how is that better? how could we randomize the lynch?
What should be the point of that, Yedi? If we randomly wagon somebody to L-2 or L-1 we risk outing a PR - if it's the doc we probably have to lynch him regardless or else we'll have to deal with massive WIFOM D2 if scum opts to not kill him. That sounds like a terrible plan to me that potentially helps scum more than town.
I don't see why we want to "skip" D1 in the first place. It's not like the info from D1 suddenly becomes irrelevant for the rest of the game.
I'm against it.
I don't see why we want to "skip" D1 in the first place. It's not like the info from D1 suddenly becomes irrelevant for the rest of the game.
I'm against it.
i think we should try to come up with discussion through some means other than random voting this time. what's everyone's opinion on me for that? thoughts on that strategy?
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Well, D1 shenanigans have definitely ensued. Therefore, we must find a way to determine how we should vote.
Honestly, I have no idea. I have been in a few mafia games before. We tried random, which was the worst one. One person got kicked out for doing nothing, and it probably made a bad experience. And the joke voting ensued as well.
I wish us the best of luck in this game of fun.
Pierre the Scarecrow
Grasping at Straws
Oh, no, my poor Feenie! I hope he is okay!
Hi, Marshy. Please don't be scum this time.
@Mentosman, Chaco, Macman: Do you have any scumslips? What do you do differently as town and scum?
vote: Gheb for voting without explanation.Vote: Mentosman
This is not a joke vote!!!
Hi, Marshy. Please don't be scum this time.
This post makes no sense per Phoenix Wright flavor. First of all, Butz is Phoenix's childhood friend. Second of all, he's not a prisoner. Macman, why are you playing Butz with a criminal attitude?
Hah, That there Wright thinks he can put us away? We'll show that ****er.
Just follow me, and we'll catch scum in no time!
No, we can't, because then they would take us away on a short bus and bring us to the special school.
Well...
We can randomize the lynch for today so that we don't have to go through the annoying process of wading through RVS and d1 shenaningans and immediately move to n1 where we can get information to really start playing.
@Mentosman, Chaco, Macman: Do you have any scumslips? What do you do differently as town and scum?
Pierre the Scarecrow
Grasping at Straws
Do you have anything you would like to say?
Well, D1 shenanigans have definitely ensued. Therefore, we must find a way to determine how we should vote.
Honestly, I have no idea. I have been in a few mafia games before. We tried random, which was the worst one. One person got kicked out for doing nothing, and it probably made a bad experience. And the joke voting ensued as well.
I wish us the best of luck in this game of fun.
Silly child. I can play whoever I want.
This is directly against my best interest to reveal my scumslips/how I play differently as scum.
Pierre the Scarecrow
Grasping at Straws
So you admit to using flavor voluntarily in an attempt to confuse everyone else?
Silly child. I can play whoever I want.
Only if you are scum.
unvote vote: Macman
FALSE.
Are you implying that you'd want me to use the character I was given as a role? I don't appreciate how you are equating me using gifs to "trying to confuse everyone else". You are complelety everexxagerating the situation and just trying to paint me in a bad light for no purpose.
There are multiple reasons why I would not want to reveal my scumslips. Did you consider the possibility that I was scum in another game [or may possibly be scum in the future] and would rather not want my scummy tendencies out in the public that could hurt my chances of winning in said games?
You are attempting to paint me in a bad light. You are a smart kid, so I refuse to believe you didn't consider the other possibilities of why someone would not want to answer that ridiculous question. You clearly are just reaching and looking for a reason to start a bandwagon on someone.
vote: pierre
i'm also against random lynches but i don't follow why you chose to justify being against it with this reasoning. don't we risk outing a PR regardless of how we go about lynching?
"honestly" is a sign that you're probably NOT being honest. but we know that you don't like random voting. have you played in a game where you enjoyed the d1? if so how did that town go about playing?
oooh...why are you answering for macman?
Also, my random lynch suggestion was a joke if you couldn't tell.
There's always the risk outing a PR if we wagon somebody. It's the possibility that we potentially out a PR without any concrete suspicions that bothers me about it. In the best case a wagon forces reactions and information that we can work with. If the wagon is completely random however the information is potentially more helpful for scum than for town. Not only that but what reaction can you expect from a player who's randomly wagoned in the first place? If there are no accusations how is he supposed to defend himself?
The randomness would nullify the whole purpose of a wagon.
Pierre the Scarecrow
Grasping at Straws
I would prefer you eliminate all of the stupid and simply not use animated GIFs, especially if your only two options are 1) use them out of context (for example, anti-Phoenix dialogue with a Butz GIF) or 2) only use one character, introducing basically a giant WIFOM soft-claim.
FALSE.
Are you implying that you'd want me to use the character I was given as a role? I don't appreciate how you are equating me using gifs to "trying to confuse everyone else". You are complelety everexxagerating the situation and just trying to paint me in a bad light for no purpose.
I'm not exaggerating the situation. I am trying to paint you in a bad light, because I think that is bad behavior. But to say it is without purpose is wrong.
If you are going to say that you aren't going to reveal personal meta for your own good, then you are wrong and only hindering your own ability to improve as a player. Reveal your scumtells to us now, and if you are Town in this game it will help, and if you are Scum in this game it will hurt you. Then, in later games, you can defy your old meta by learning from your old scum-tells and avoiding those behaviors, which will make you play as Scum better in a later game while making your alignment more apparent in this game. And if you refuse in this game, what is to stop players who have previously played with you from revealing them? Then, your meta is revealed, and you weren't even the one to do it. That's a lose-lose situation for you. And I'm only asking because I've never played a game with you before, or else I would have done it myself.
There are multiple reasons why I would not want to reveal my scumslips. Did you consider the possibility that I was scum in another game [or may possibly be scum in the future] and would rather not want my scummy tendencies out in the public that could hurt my chances of winning in said games?
Who here has played a game with Macman before, and wants to answer if he continues to refuse?
I would like to say that you are also smart, but apparently you didn't thoroughly think this through. And yes, I am painting you in a bad light, because you are refusing to behave in a pro-town manner.
That vote is little more than uneducated OMGUS. I await those scum-tells.
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Day 1s are really important to see what people try to get rolling. See if anyone tries to get a small bandwagon started.
Actually, its just the way I talk. Day one is always chaotic, there is no way around it.
I thought that the point he(pierre) made was stupid. I just grabbed a few random GIFS and used them. I was thinking that he may have done the same thing.
Not understanding what the problem with the gifs are.
1.) You are not supposed to be paying attention the characters, but to what I say. The gifs are just for show.
2.) Why should I be limited to only using one character? You are making these gifs a much bigger deal than they actually are.
Now if you said that the gifs are just distracting, I could understand that line of reasoning, but what you are saying here makes no sense and it just seems like you are reading to deeply into the gifs.
Regardless, I am going to stop using them because I don't want people getting butthurt over something so trivial and I'd rather not have discussion revolve around the gifs since they are a non-issue. [Can't promise that they won't pop up randomly in one of my future posts tho].
First of all, it is not your place to be concerned on whether or not I improve as player. You are trying to find scum, not further my ability to play the game. So all that crap about; revealing my scumslips now so that whenever I am mafia I know that everyone is aware of them, and then acting differently and being sure not to make these scumslips and hence improving my game, doesn't pertain to the conversation and is just a divergence from the topic at hand.[Also, it is easily argueable that if noone knows/or ever calls me out on my scumslips, then I will never have to change them and still remain successful as scum.]
The idea that revealing them now can only help me as town and hurt me as scum is pretty much crap. All it does is apply a layer of wifom to all my actions. Now everything I do will be filtered through the revealing of my scum tells. If I were mafia and you know I already posted what my scumtells were, I would clearly no longer act that way so it wouldn't even matter. And if I do happen to act that way, you'll think 'but didn't he already reveal this is what he would do as scum, why wouldn't he be careful not to do it here. Maybe he's town and it was just a false tell' So I don't see how revealing it would help me at all. Believing I am scum for something like this is just ridiculous and uninformed.
I do not care if someone reveals my meta, that's what they are supposed to do, if it's going to help them heighten their chances of reading what my alignment is. But it would actually be foolish to reveal them now because then if I was scum I would just make sure not to behave that way. If you think you have a personal tell on me, it would just be smarter to keep it to yourself and once I do something to activate that tell you can now have a solid opinion on what my alignment is. Only reason you would need to out the tell is if you are trying to convince everyone else of your beliefs. But I mean, if you want to reveal whatever you have now, be my guest.
So, I am behaving anti-town because I use gifs and refuse to reveal my personal scum-tells? Riiiiiighht.
Also, i love how you try to belittle the legitimate vote I have on you into just "uneducated OMGUS".
Your user title seems very appropriate.
Riddle
Smash Lord
The whole argument about the GIFs and Macman's scumslips is getting us nowhere. Pierre, the GIFs clearly don't mean anything and there are very good reasons (which MAcman has already said) for Macman not to post his common scumtells. Macman, I honestly don't think Pierre is scummy for his actions just new. Remember, this is only his second mafia game (I'm pretty sure, correct me if I'm wrong) and in the first one he only lasted one day before he was night killed. Pierre I think is honestly trying to scumhunt and just picking out things that he thinks have importance but really don't.
Good job getting us out of RVS though guys.
Good job getting us out of RVS though guys.
Time for a vote count!
Mentosman8 [1] : Gheb
Pierre [1] : Macman
Macman [1] : Pierre
Not voting: Cacti, Marshy, Chaco, XACE-K, Sinz, SwordsRbroken, Riddle, Mentosman8, The_Truth, KevinM
Deadline is the last second of November 8th. It take 7/13 to lynch
Cacti
Smash Journeyman
What riddle said.
But I also think that Pierre is just trying to be protown and looking for scum from basically nothing.
But I also think that Pierre is just trying to be protown and looking for scum from basically nothing.
Merely a joke, Marshy, and means to gauge his reaction.
Now, Marshy, why did you want no RVS?
also hi pierre. i'm town of course
hold on you don't have any thoughts on the macman/pierre exchange?
and since we'd have little to discuss why not discuss what to discuss instead of mindless "random" votes? trying something "new" with bandwagoning in test subject was pretty sweet so i thought it'd be worth pursuing a different way to start this game as well. do you think it was a bad idea?
hold on you don't have any thoughts on the macman/pierre exchange?
and since we'd have little to discuss why not discuss what to discuss instead of mindless "random" votes? trying something "new" with bandwagoning in test subject was pretty sweet so i thought it'd be worth pursuing a different way to start this game as well. do you think it was a bad idea?
Haha I kinda like the total skip of the RVS stage we've got going, the game has come to life a lot earlier.
To Pierre, Macman has a very good reason for not revealing common scumtells. If you play consistently on this site, that is messing with all games you have active and future ones. I refuse to post things such as that myself(add to that I don't know what scumtells I drop anyway), but it makes no sense to come out with things such as that. Also, what if he were to post that a common scumtell was X, something he actually never does as scum or town, and slide through with you thinking "well he didn't make the scumtell he talked about"
To Pierre, Macman has a very good reason for not revealing common scumtells. If you play consistently on this site, that is messing with all games you have active and future ones. I refuse to post things such as that myself(add to that I don't know what scumtells I drop anyway), but it makes no sense to come out with things such as that. Also, what if he were to post that a common scumtell was X, something he actually never does as scum or town, and slide through with you thinking "well he didn't make the scumtell he talked about"
Hitman JT
The Infinite One
Whoa. Game just started and there's already chaos. Awesome.
To answer Marshy's question, I played IRL before. Thought I told you that already >_>;
To answer Marshy's question, I played IRL before. Thought I told you that already >_>;
lol um, how have you already told him? Did you guys talk on aim or something?
Hitman JT
The Infinite One
In a different thread before this game took place. Whether i'm new to this or not shouldn't be that big of a deal, but i'm gonna watch as this blows up into a huge frenzy and everyone makes hasty assumptions.
lol i searched yu in dgames b4 i made the post... and you never said it or anything like it.... XD
but imma take yur word for it... too lulzy
man this is gonna bug me
but imma take yur word for it... too lulzy
man this is gonna bug me
Pierre the Scarecrow
Grasping at Straws
That actually looks like some half-right logic for a joke. The RVS is something to get rid of as quickly as possible, and we do want information, but not at the expense of an actual Day's worth of connections/discussion. I guess my point is that at least I couldn't tell, and I wouldn't be surprised if others couldn't either.
Well...
We can randomize the lynch for today so that we don't have to go through the annoying process of wading through RVS and d1 shenaningans and immediately move to n1 where we can get information to really start playing.
I pay attention to everything... it's what you're supposed to do to pick up on the subtle things that people leave on purpose. And I said that only using one character and introducing soft-claim WIFOM was a bad thing not a good thing.
Personal improvement was the incentive that you would naturally have, not the reason for me to want you to do it. I hope you can see that.
"Doesn't pertain to the conversation and is just a divergence from the topic at hand...", what is the conversation? What was the topic at hand?
Everything that you do should already be filtered through your previous actions in other games. That is what meta is. Are you saying that meta is just WIFOM, but people don't recognize it simply because people don't know your meta?
Fine. I will do it myself. I will go and read all the games you've been in on this site and discover your meta patterns because you refuse to save me the time.
For the first, that's just a simplification. For the second, it is the best thing we've developed in the game so far, so yes.
As is yours, as you are abominable.
No, just kidding, but seriously - it is Day 1, and the game has just started. We start with a piece of thread, a drop of snow, etc.
The whole argument about the GIFs and Macman's scumslips is getting us nowhere. Pierre, the GIFs clearly don't mean anything and there are very good reasons (which MAcman has already said) for Macman not to post his common scumtells. Macman, I honestly don't think Pierre is scummy for his actions just new. Remember, this is only his second mafia game (I'm pretty sure, correct me if I'm wrong) and in the first one he only lasted one day before he was night killed. Pierre I think is honestly trying to scumhunt and just picking out things that he thinks have importance but really don't.
Good job getting us out of RVS though guys.
Well, the discussion might seem null, but it most definitely isn't getting us nowhere.
I've played in a lot of games off of Smashboards, but that doesn't change the truth in what you said about scum-hunting and picking out things.
And what about you, Cacti? What can you add right now? As Dwayne Michael Carter, Jr. would put it, "No sittin' at the table if you bringin' nothin' to it / and I get straight to it like it's nothin' to it."
I directed a question towards you, Chaco. And another would be, bypassing conversation about the RVS, what do you think so far?
@per Marshy: I will look at Test Subject Mafia.
If he were to post that a common scumtell of his was X, it would logically follow that, if he didn't give examples, those of you who have played with him would call him out for it, right? If Macman said a common scumtell of his was to end his sentences without periods when he lies about sensitive material, like during a fake-claim, and you looked up his fake claims and he never did that, it would be a point of discussion.
Regardless, I don't mind discussing these things as long as the topic continues to evolve.
Pierre the Scarecrow
Grasping at Straws
Heh. Interesting point and interesting dismissal at the end.
Also, unvote vote: KevinM.
But see Pierre, in that example you brought up, that would encourage us to think he was town if he used a period in those situations. Slips people commonly make are void if they're put in the open to them, because they can purposely avoid that mistake and cause us to misconstrue it as townie behavior.
I agree, I just thought people played with/talked to me enough to know that I value d1 and wasn't being serious
I'm just saying to disregard the gifs, they are more for show and entertainment. Someone could possibly breadcrumbing stuff within the gifs i guess, but I am not. It's like if someone is a jokey person, you tell them not to joke around because for some reason you tend to overanalyze them and think them to be anti-town.
Just saying that personal improvement shouldn't be a reason for you to want to see me reveal my scummeta. Also I already said how revealing my meta would probably not lead to improvement.
finding scum
Yea. If I made it blatantly obvious what my meta was, then it just becomes WIFOM. If I didn't make it obvious, and I knew people have yet to recognize it[or if I myself have yet to recognize it]. It is a legitimate assumption that I will continue to act according to my meta.
have fun, I was scum in dinomafia for your reference.
Agreed. Though the gif argument is pointless.
don't understand how you guys can say this so early into day 1. riddle if it's getting us nowhere how about you do something about it and raise discussion that you believe will? not that i agree considering what's been said so far has contributed to getting reads for me
vote riddle
as for macman's scumslips i remember him pushing some horrible case against me in dinomafia and calling me scummy for things that were out of my control. lately as town he's often roleclaimed for no good reason. there's more to it than that but if you want an idea on macman's scum meta consider looking through dinomafia since that's the only completed game here where he was mafia
sike, it wasn't that bad... Mentos agreed with it at first. XD