Phoenix Wright Mafia [GAME OVER!]

[KevinM]

You guys just quick voted him to L/2 with like no discussion besides.

I agree, I agree.

That's like some terrible play.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

If it is bothering you, why don't you unvote? Never seen you to have a problem with bandwagoning before.

 

[KevinM]

I don't when I feel the players bandwagoning can like vote and unvote with discretion.

However when three people just throw there vote on there with little to no discussion and no one says anything about it.

It like worries me man.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

Troupe Gramarye Presents...THE VOTE COUNT!

VOTE COUNT

Mentosman8 [1] : Gheb
KevinM [1] : Pierre
Riddle [3] : Marshy, Chaco, Cacti
Cacti [4] : KevinM, Riddle, Macman, SwordsRbroken

Not voting: XACE-K, Sinz, Mentosman8, The_Truth

Deadline is the last second of November 8th. It take 7/13 to lynch

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Since this game has gotten serious so quickly I'm going to Unvote.

I agree with you on this one. Vote: Cacti

Agreeing with somebody about a certain player being suspicious is one thing. Putting him @L-3 on the other hand without even giving Cacti a chance to respond, with little discussion about it and this early in the game is a whole different story. Do you realize that with 3 scumbags around they *could* choose to quicklynch Cacti? 3 Scumbags in a 13 player game doesn't seem far off don't you agree? Do you think it was the right thing to do to put Cacti @ L-3 this early and with so little discussion?

XACE-K, Sinz, The_Truth, when will you start to post constructively? Does anybody stand out to you? If you find something strange then you should point it out. As long as your arguments are rooted in logic you shouldn't hesitate to contribute. The more info we get the more effectively we can proceed so if you have something to say feel free to do so.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Do you think it was the right thing to do to put Cacti @ L-3 this early and with so little discussion?

Just to make sure: That's not a rhetorical question.

 

[Hitman JT]

I'm usually not one to hop on bandwagons but that is a pretty good point brought up against Cacti...I wanna see his response before I make my decision.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

actually, unvote

 

[Cacti]

I must've not read your post right Riddle...

I bandwagoned onto you because I had already found you suspicious and voted you to add on to the pressure to see how you would react.

KevinM, what was your original reason for voting me?

 

[#HBC | marshy]

If you got good reads off them, then how was it a waste of time?

Because it makes them the main focuses.

what? i don't follow how that's necessarily a bad thing given the context

What do you mean scumbuddies? Are you joking about ronike's mafia or something?

by scumbuddies i mean who you're mafia with. since you've admitted to being scum can you tell us how many partners you have and who they are? some kind of clue?

As for the Macman/Pierre thing, i don't think it was useless at all. I mean sure, what started it was kind of pointless, but something that helps you to get a read on someone is never useless.

ok. but what are YOUR reads from it if any? do you see anything malicious? you're going to have to post more content than this

Agreeing with somebody about a certain player being suspicious is one thing. Putting him @L-3 on the other hand without even giving Cacti a chance to respond, with little discussion about it and this early in the game is a whole different story. Do you realize that with 3 scumbags around they *could* choose to quicklynch Cacti? 3 Scumbags in a 13 player game doesn't seem far off don't you agree? Do you think it was the right thing to do to put Cacti @ L-3 this early and with so little discussion?

man. i will never understand this argument. i'd LOVE for the scumbags to pull a quicklynch on forum mafia. because it never happens

XACE-K, Sinz, The_Truth, when will you start to post constructively? Does anybody stand out to you? If you find something strange then you should point it out. As long as your arguments are rooted in logic you shouldn't hesitate to contribute. The more info we get the more effectively we can proceed so if you have something to say feel free to do so.

i agree

You guys just quick voted him to L/2 with like no discussion besides.

I agree, I agree.

That's like some terrible play.

why are you voting with people you're seemingly suspicious of then?

I'm usually not one to hop on bandwagons but that is a pretty good point brought up against Cacti...I wanna see his response before I make my decision.

what don't you like about bandwagons?

unvote riddle vote mentosman

 

[Riddle]

Hold on, what?

you make a whole big post about other people and then you vote someone you didn't even mention? I'm lost.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

man. i will never understand this argument. i'd LOVE for the scumbags to pull a quicklynch on forum mafia. because it never happens

Eh...I didn't ask swords' that question to have you answer it in his place. I brought up that point to see how he reacts/anwers, not you

 

[#HBC | marshy]

: (

 

[Sinz]

I have a few classes to go to, but I will be back in a few hours. I am going to be doing a thorough read through and catch back up!

 

[XACE-K]

XACE-K, Sinz, The_Truth, when will you start to post constructively? Does anybody stand out to you? If you find something strange then you should point it out. As long as your arguments are rooted in logic you shouldn't hesitate to contribute. The more info we get the more effectively we can proceed so if you have something to say feel free to do so.

Sorry for not posting yet. Schoolwork got in the way.

So far Pierre's agressive play & the Cacti wagon has stood out to me most. Pierre is an agressive player last time I watched him play (Newbie Mafia 2) which isn't a bad thing, but him asking only 3 players what their scumtells are did seem peculiar. He could've asked everyone the same question (although those 3 are probably the more experienced in Mafia than some of us).

For Cacti, his change of reaction is scummy but 3 straight posts of "I agree. Vote". Did also catch my attention. I'm pretty sure mafia wouldn't just vote 3 times in a row but I just wanted to throw it out there.

 

[KevinM]

Because marshy I'm like totally voting cacti for reasons not conducive with the I AGREE HURR DA DURR cast.

Smell me?

 

[SwordsRbroken]

Since this game has gotten serious so quickly I'm going to Unvote.



Agreeing with somebody about a certain player being suspicious is one thing. Putting him @L-3 on the other hand without even giving Cacti a chance to respond, with little discussion about it and this early in the game is a whole different story. Do you realize that with 3 scumbags around they *could* choose to quicklynch Cacti? 3 Scumbags in a 13 player game doesn't seem far off don't you agree? Do you think it was the right thing to do to put Cacti @ L-3 this early and with so little discussion?

Hmm, you have a point there, so i'll unvote There's probably like 3 scum and 1 indy in this game.

what? i don't follow how that's necessarily a bad thing given the context

by scumbuddies i mean who you're mafia with. since you've admitted to being scum can you tell us how many partners you have and who they are? some kind of clue? Ha ha, i'm not scum. question was kind of goofy anyway. I mean come on, is the scum just going to say outright, "hey guys, i'm mafia, lynch me!".

ok. but what are YOUR reads from it if any? do you see anything malicious? you're going to have to post more content than this

From what i see, the argument started out on something pointless, and then showed a lot more. From what i've heard, Pierre is an aggressive player. I think he is townie, but since i suck at mafia right now, he may be town. I gtg now, i'll post more later

man. i will never understand this argument. i'd LOVE for the scumbags to pull a quicklynch on forum mafia. because it never happens
Nope, it doesn't. That would kind of be like multiple people hammering. XD

my replies in bold

 

[#HBC | Mac]

so I think sword is town and i wanna lynch T_T

 

[SwordsRbroken]

I don't think we should lynch just yet. We're only about a day (not in game) into the game. I think we should take our time until at least a few days before the deadline. We shouldn't lynch one unless we're sure it will be beneficial for the town.

 

[Sinz]

Alright guys. We started out the game with one idea at first. Random lynching. The person who brought this up was Macman. After we discussed it a little bit, he quickly said it was a “joke.” Then when Pierre brought up a few points against him, he IMMEDIATELY started to attack pierre.

You are attempting to paint me in a bad light. You are a smart kid, so I refuse to believe you didn't consider the other possibilities of why someone would not want to answer that ridiculous question. You clearly are just reaching and looking for a reason to start a bandwagon on someone.

vote: pierre

Though I disagree with what pierre was doing originally, by telling Macman to tell everyone his scum tells. Macman quickly swung his vote at pierre. Then he had his little insult at Pierre.

Your user title seems very appropriate.

Then later on in the game, he jumps on a bandwagon.

Riddle brings up a very good point. vote: cacti

However, he wasn’t the only one to jump on that bandwagon without any of their own reasoning. Swords jumped on that wagon very quickly.
BUT, the thing that jumped my suspicions a little bit more on macman was this.

actually, unvote

After people(Truth, Gheb, Kevin) started talking about how they jumped on that really quickly. He quickly unvotes. No reasons. Just “actually”

VOTE: Macman

However, my suspicions don't end there. I have been suspicious of swords as well. One thing that he JUST said was

I don't think we should lynch just yet. We're only about a day (not in game) into the game. I think we should take our time until at least a few days before the deadline. We shouldn't lynch one unless we're sure it will be beneficial for the town.

There is one thing guaranteed about a no lynch vote. A scum has no chance of dying, and one townie is guaranteed to die during the night.

FOS: Swords

Alright, gotta run to class. I will add more later tonight.

 

[Cacti]

Hmm, you have a point there, so i'll unvote There's probably like 3 scum and 1 indy in this game.

Wait, Swords, if you are unvoting me because you are agreeing with Gheb, then why did you vote me in the first place? If you think that there might be a chance that scum will quick-hammer me, then why did you vote me in the first place? If you truly thought I was scum, then you would've kept your vote on me, thinking that there is no scum to hammer.

I don't think we should lynch just yet. We're only about a day (not in game) into the game. I think we should take our time until at least a few days before the deadline. We shouldn't lynch one unless we're sure it will be beneficial for the town.

In this post, you say that you don't want to lynch anyone unless it will be beneficial for the town. Then why did you put me at L-3, a bad position where I may be lynched, as Gheb said. You did not really respond to Gheb's post, you just unvoted. I'd like to know the reasons for this unvote, and Macman's too, which both seemed random. Did something change in your mind? If so, I'd like to know.

 

[mentosman8]

Thanks for the vote Marshy, thought we were trying to skip the random voting

Anyway, Sinz reason to FoS Swords was pretty weak. Sure, a no lynch means scum isn't likely to die(contrary to Sinz there is no chance), but at the same time, if town can't find a lynch that seems reasonable a no lynch makes it so one-two townies die instead of potentially 2-3. You seem to FoS him solely for him mentioning we shouldn't make a lynch that we don't think is beneficial, which is EXACTLY the stance every townie should have.

 

[SwordsRbroken]

Wait, Swords, if you are unvoting me because you are agreeing with Gheb, then why did you vote me in the first place? If you think that there might be a chance that scum will quick-hammer me, then why did you vote me in the first place? If you truly thought I was scum, then you would've kept your vote on me, thinking that there is no scum to hammer. There's this thing that is called bandwagons. We do it to pressure people. Sometimes it is beneficial to the town, as it forces reactions out of them. sometimes, nothing is gained, as they don't even flinch, even when put at like L-3 or something. (check out Test Subject mafia for when Marshy was at L-3 and didn't react)



In this post, you say that you don't want to lynch anyone unless it will be beneficial for the town. Then why did you put me at L-3, a bad position where I may be lynched, as Gheb said. You did not really respond to Gheb's post, you just unvoted. I'd like to know the reasons for this unvote, and Macman's too, which both seemed random. Did something change in your mind? If so, I'd like to know. It's only been a day or two into the game (not in game of course), and we don't want to have an early lynch. So i unvoted....for now at least.

My replies are in bold.

 

[Chaco]

Don't spearhead a lynch.

Mac, this isn't AIMaf, back down on your lynch happiness.

Marshy, whoring attention is always bad, and generally early game arguments make us tunnel the rest of D1. Resulting in a mislynch.

Unvote

FoS: Macman

 

[KevinM]

I am like totally fine with either lynching Chaco or Cacti at this point.

 

[KevinM]

Actually the more I think about this, the more I like a chaco lynch.

unvote
Vote Chaco

 

[Chaco]

Kevin, we go down this route every time. Back your **** up.

 

[KevinM]

Oh, didn't notice it Pierre. To answer it honestly, I've been told I have an ambiguous style and don't play differently varying upon my role.

And, this is a change, I got *****ed at left and right for wagon opening in FF. Now you like it? Well, as you'd know, I'm always for a good wagon.

Vote: Riddle

This is like one of the weirdest post I've ever seen. You basically preface your entire bandwagoning by saying how you got yelled at for it last time, as if you're trying to seem apprehensive about voting in the first place. However you like change your tune really fast after that. You're playstyle doesn't chnage btw, it has actually remained fairly uniform which can be seen as a good or bad thing, but I wouldn't say its ambiguous.

Seems I always have to explain BWing. . .wagoning is not always wagoning for a lynch. The sooner you understand that the better. See, the way you responded to that wagon interests me. You're trying to cast suspicion on a known tactic. An attempt to undermine it?

Or he just legitimately not understand how bandwagons are important like a newer player might not. Also btw it's pretty funny that you keep saying that responses that are generated from your wishy washy posts are "interesting" or you're getting good reads from them. When quite frankly you're not needling them for information NEARLY hard enough to like get anything from them. It's basically a really watered down pseudo scumhunting and it barely looks like you're trying to be active.

I think it's stupid. It's over GIFs pretty much. A complete waste of time.

Yeah because we don't like discussion around here! Nothing can be gained from it lets just like completely dismiss some discussion that dominated the opening of D1 whoop whoop.

Yes, I read it. Still think it was a waste of time, other than getting good reads off of the two of you.

Rofl, I got good reads of of you guys but besides that this conversation is like totally a waste of time because its discussion and we hate that!

Because it makes them the main focuses. Any further pushing of my opinion?

FoS on an opinion? Re-evaluate.

Wow awfully defensive for a D1 push huh, this is what cued my interest initially and got me to read through all of your posts so far, all your lovely little one liners either dismissing discussion and or pseudo scumhunting.

Kevin, we go down this route every time. Back your **** up.

Like that?

Seriously, dismissing discussion and pseudo scumhunt, that's all you've done so far.

I have absolutely no problem changing my vote to someone like that.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Alright guys. We started out the game with one idea at first. Random lynching. The person who brought this up was Macman. After we discussed it a little bit, he quickly said it was a “joke.” Then when Pierre brought up a few points against him, he IMMEDIATELY started to attack pierre.

It was a joke, and it didn't seem like the people I expected to get it were getting it, so I felt like saying it was a joke, so people didn't actually think I was serious.

Though I disagree with what pierre was doing originally, by telling Macman to tell everyone his scum tells. Macman quickly swung his vote at pierre. Then he had his little insult at Pierre.

I made an argument, and the usertitle comment sounded funny to me so I said it. I'm not tryna disrespect Pierre or anything. [I hope he didn't take it that way] My vote was on him because he was reaching and coming to ridiculous conclusions that I wouldn't expect a player of his caliber to make.

Then later on in the game, he jumps on a bandwagon.

Riddle made a good point, there was a clear contradiction in Cacti's actions. I disagree with KevinM about that being terrible play. Their vote means they took a stance which can be analyzed later and is beneficial to the town. Also more votes like that put more pressure on Cacti and make riddles point stand out more. Also my vote on Pierre wasn't that serious, I just had it there cuz I like having a vote on someone. So I had no problem changing it.

However, he wasn’t the only one to jump on that bandwagon without any of their own reasoning. Swords jumped on that wagon very quickly.
BUT, the thing that jumped my suspicions a little bit more on macman was this.

~~~~~~

After people(Truth, Gheb, Kevin) started talking about how they jumped on that really quickly. He quickly unvotes. No reasons. Just “actually”

VOTE: Macman

I unvoted because T_T stated his support for such a wagon, and I think T_T is scum. Which made me feel less confident about a vote on Cacti. I personally don't care too much what other people thought about vote. Like Marshy says, it would be lovely if scum came in and quick-lynched.

I think you misread Sword's post.

I believe though that we should barely ever no lynch. I think almost all lynches are beneficial, unless it's of someone whose town-allignment is confirmed. Lynches really really help make information that people can analyze.

Don't spearhead a lynch.

Mac, this isn't AIMaf, back down on your lynch happiness.

Unvote

FoS: Macman

I'm sorry for stating who I want to lynch in a game where town's objective is to lynch who they think is scum... Not getting the point of your fos.

Though I do have a tendency to come to conclusions on people's alignments and stick with it. Which can lead to tunnel-visioning... but meh w/e idc

I like Kevin's post. Chaco doesn't seem like he is genuinely trying to find scum. vote: chaco

Chaco, what were the reads you got on Pierre and me?

 

[KevinM]

You should like totally not tunnel mac, you'd be 100 times better because of that.

 

[Sinz]

I think you misread Sword's post.

I just reread his post. :/ That was a bit of a misread. Thats what I get for rushing.

Your counter arguments actually make sense. I am going to read a bit more on chaco before I vote for him.

the FOS that was on Swords was primarily because of the jumping on the bandwagon and suggesting a no lynch. Sorry if I didn't clarify that earlier.

Unvote: Macman

Time to go do some reading on Chaco and see whats up.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Hmm, you have a point there, so i'll unvote There's probably like 3 scum and 1 indy in this game.

You say I do have a point. Do I really? What's wrong with putting somebody at L-3? Mafia can quicklynch, okay. Is that a bad thing? Wouldn't they out themselves very early? How is that not benifical for town?

I never told you to unvote. I was merely asking whether you think you did the right thing or not. Your unvote implies that you think you were wrong but what makes you think so? Were you really wrong to put him @ L-3? You shouldn't let yourself be so easily manipulated - I'm only asking questions after all.

Anyway, Sinz reason to FoS Swords was pretty weak. Sure, a no lynch means scum isn't likely to die(contrary to Sinz there is no chance), but at the same time, if town can't find a lynch that seems reasonable a no lynch makes it so one-two townies die instead of potentially 2-3. You seem to FoS him solely for him mentioning we shouldn't make a lynch that we don't think is beneficial, which is EXACTLY the stance every townie should have.

No thoughs on Cacti/Riddle and the wagons? Nothing to say about Macman/Chaco? You only adress a rather minor point (although it has merit) but got nothing to say about what's actually happening in this game besides that?

Marshy, whoring attention is always bad, and generally early game arguments make us tunnel the rest of D1. Resulting in a mislynch.

How is Marshy whoring attention? Is he whoring attention? How is this "always bad" and how do early arguments tunnel the rest of D1? Why do you think it's an auto-mislynch?
You say Kevin doesn't explain his points but this post is a perfect example of a post that completely lacks explanations on all ends

FoS Chaco

Macman, what makes you want to lynch The_Truth so badly?

 

[KevinM]

Why is like everyone always worried about a quick lynch on D1, you should only be fearful of a quick lynch in Lylo, Mylo situations. Besides that you're usually in the clear.

 

[SwordsRbroken]

You say I do have a point. Do I really? What's wrong with putting somebody at L-3? Mafia can quicklynch, okay. Is that a bad thing? Wouldn't they out themselves very early? How is that not benifical for town?

I never told you to unvote. I was merely asking whether you think you did the right thing or not. Your unvote implies that you think you were wrong but what makes you think so? Were you really wrong to put him @ L-3? You shouldn't let yourself be so easily manipulated - I'm only asking questions after all.



No thoughs on Cacti/Riddle and the wagons? Nothing to say about Macman/Chaco? You only adress a rather minor point (although it has merit) but got nothing to say about what's actually happening in this game besides that?



How is Marshy whoring attention? Is he whoring attention? How is this "always bad" and how do early arguments tunnel the rest of D1? Why do you think it's an auto-mislynch?
You say Kevin doesn't explain his points but this post is a perfect example of a post that completely lacks explanations on all ends

FoS Chaco

Macman, what makes you want to lynch The_Truth so badly?

Well, i think that the town should maximize their lynch time, so i unvoted. Sure, a quicklynch isn't bad for the town, it's like multihammering. But so far, Chaco so far has trying to stop discussion, so a chaco lynch is fine with me.

I think i'm fine with either a chaco/Cacti lynch. Vote: Chaco

 

[Cacti]

I'm finding myself agreeing with Kevin right now, but I'd like to hear from Chaco.

 

[Chaco]

Swords, stop parroting Kevin. It's all your doing.

Gheb, actually read. You'll find at least 4 points you can change with good reading.

Pierre and you are both town. Hence, if you noticed, I said TvT argument. Lol.

Gheb is confirmed scum. (Not actually confirmed, but confirmed to me)

I'm not having to try hard to scum hunt right now, when that occurs maybe I will.

Kevin, I know you're a sensible person. So listen to this. I am not having to try yet in this game, I can peek in and get heavy reads off of everyone right now. Think I'm bluffing? I'm 90% sure that Gheb is scum. You can notice the subtle changes if you look. Am I going to point them out? No. Cause that gives you insight to how I play.

Stop forcing the obvious, and go with what fits but doesn't seem right.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

FoS: Macman

but oh? I thought I was town...?

 

[Chaco]

I was FoSing you because your playing without thinking. Make sense now?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

no.

fos means you think someone is suspicious and you are getting a scumread on them. If that wasn't the case whyd ya fos? Don't you think just telling me to start thinking would have made more sense? Especially now that it just seems to me like you are flip-flopping.

 

[Chaco]

If I was flip flopping, I would say you weren't playing stupid now. Which isn't the case. FoS can be used for many things, just like votes. There is no one use of anything.