Phantom Knight will protect her from now on ^^

[andimidna]

At this point a clear answer on this Phantom will be more exciting to me than a veteran reveal. I'm dying to know for sure.

It can only be an assist trophy, really. Nothing else makes any sense.

 

[Aurora Jenny]

It can only be an assist trophy, really. Nothing else makes any sense.

Logically, it makes the most sense, yes. Time will tell. I have a whole bunch of questions that have yet to see answers. Phantom among them.

 

[andimidna]

Logically, it makes the most sense, yes. Time will tell. I have a whole bunch of questions that have yet to see answers. Phantom among them.

Well, the fact that she's doing her assist trophy summon animation from Brawl pretty much confirms what it is.
Assist trophy is the only possibility.
Sheik isn't going anywhere.
It can't fit in a moveset otherwise.
Can't be a trophy... no other possibilities. So, that's pretty much that.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Famitsu says Phantom is a skill of Zelda, and that Sheik may not happen.

 

[FalKoopa]

Famitsu says Phantom is a skill of Zelda, and that Sheik may not happen.

The keyword is that they said "possibly". And no, they said that they do not know about whether Sheik is in or not. Ask Venus if you want.

In other words, we learnt nothing that we didn't know already.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I have no reason to disbelieve Famitsu, they where always one of the best news sources during pre-Brawl. They revealed informaton before anyone else did. And now again, they come with new information. Little Mac's power meter for example gets more fully explained. Why shouldn't I take Famitsu seriously?

 

[Oz37]

No one's saying it shouldn't be taken seriously. Just don't read something they didn't say. When it came to Zelda, Famitsu merely added speculations and conjectures we've already driven into the ground.

 

[andimidna]

Famitsu says Phantom is a skill of Zelda, and that Sheik may not happen.

link?

 

[Berserker.]

I have no reason to disbelieve Famitsu, they where always one of the best news sources during pre-Brawl. They revealed informaton before anyone else did. And now again, they come with new information. Little Mac's power meter for example gets more fully explained. Why shouldn't I take Famitsu seriously?

They said "Possibly" which is the current state of the Phantom Knight being a special move. We haven't got any final confirmations from Sakurai and for as long as Sakurai says nothing, no one has the right to state that the Phantom Knight is CONFIRMED as a new move of Zelda (But people have the right to say that Ridley's confirmed. Check my long post in the Ridley thread on why it makes sense)

Honestly though, I could care less whether Sheik's removed or not. I never understood the appeal to be honest. It's just weird for me to stand there when some guy proclaims unconfirmed news.

 

[andimidna]

They said "Possibly" which is the current state of the Phantom Knight being a special move. We haven't got any final confirmations from Sakurai and for as long as Sakurai says nothing, no one has the right to state that the Phantom Knight is CONFIRMED as a new move of Zelda (But people have the right to say that Ridley's confirmed. Check my long post in the Ridley thread on why it makes sense)

Honestly though, I could care less whether Sheik's removed or not. I never understood the appeal to be honest. It's just weird for me to stand there when some guy proclaims unconfirmed news.

Link to Ridley post too pls?
I'm curious but can't find what everybody is talking about...

 

[Berserker.]

Link to Ridley post too pls?
I'm curious but can't find what everybody is talking about...

http://smashboards.com/threads/the-...ni-model-thread.324284/page-466#post-16515642

 

[Road Death Wheel]

Sakurai dose not post assist trophies all williynily If it was an assist trophy we would have a pic of the day explaining it but since there's none im not believing is an assist.

 

[FalKoopa]

I could say similarly about it being a move. Sakurai has pointed out even small changes in veteran movesets, like Link's D-air being a spike, Zelda's Din's Fire being more powerful, and Luigi's flutter jump. I don't think he'd leave out such a major change in her moveset from the daily pics. That's why I'm doubtful about it being a move.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Well, let me just say it like this: Sakurai's planning for the updates he does this time sucks majorly.

 

[Road Death Wheel]

i never said it was a move im just saying im skeptical on it being a assist my reason can be applied to both sides of the argument.

 

[Erimir]

I could say similarly about it being a move. Sakurai has pointed out even small changes in veteran movesets, like Link's D-air being a spike, Zelda's Din's Fire being more powerful, and Luigi's flutter jump. I don't think he'd leave out such a major change in her moveset from the daily pics. That's why I'm doubtful about it being a move.

Luigi's Poltergust also just got its own PotD update, and it was not revealed for quite a while.

Arguably, if the Phantom were part of Zelda's moveset, replacing Sheik, it would be a far larger update than any of the moves mentioned above. But people think he'd just throw it in Zelda's reveal photos?

Sheik's removal from the game gets in Zelda's unremarked reveal photos, but an Assist Trophy would be too important to throw in there unexplained? Yeah, right

Its appearance there is certainly mysterious, whatever it happens to be, it's unusual that it was shown in that set of pictures. But Sheik's removal is certainly a bigger deal than an Assist Trophy, so I don't buy that it's more likely to be Zelda's move on that basis. Another possibility is that it is a character move... just not Zelda's (i.e. it belongs to Toon Zelda), which would fit with the mysteriousness. And yet another possibility is that Sheik is in the game, and the Phantom is also connected to Zelda somehow.

At best you can say that they're equally likely. But given the a priori likelihood that Sheik is returning (inertia in the roster is a strong default assumption), I rather doubt that Sheik is leaving on the basis of this vague evidence.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Doubt Sakurai would downrightely state Sheik would be gone however. It's just not very good marketing. Think he'll drop more hints towards her removal along the way if she's actually gone.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

The Direct has cleared everything up.

Phantom Knight is down B.

Sheik is her own character.

 

[ToothiestAura]

Well, you were sort of right Diddy. Sorry you didn't get Impa.

 

[Sharkarat]

I'm so happy right now.

 

[GreenKirby]

When you're right, you're right

 

[Erimir]

And yet another possibility is that Sheik is in the game, and the Phantom is also connected to Zelda somehow.

Looks like most people were wrong, including me. I thought it was an AT.

I guess it's good to keep in mind all the possibilities - Sakurai might not be doing what you expect.

Phantom is part of Zelda, Sheik is in. Impa almost certainly is not.

 

[Oz37]

Well, cool! I'm honestly ecstatic with the Direct's results, including being wrong about the Phantom Knight. Zelda and Sheik being separate characters works out well (though my mind will need adjusting), and the Phantom attack looks marvelous in motion. The picture on the site still doesn't do the move justice, but I think that was the plan. Note that in the video Zelda has that shadowy aura around her hands the whole time she's summoning the Knight, so I guess that's either a newer touch or was a purposeful omission to mess with our brains.

 

[Katy Parry]

I was wrong, I admit it.

But this is the stupidest thing I've ever heard of. That was the coolest thing about the friggin' transforming characters. You were two characters. It doesn't make a lick of sense to have Sheik and Zelda on the screen at the same time like that.

I'll eventually get over it, but as a fan of the transforming mechanic, this was a complete disaster.

 

[BJN39]

I'm sorely disappointed with Phantom's execution. (-_-)

It's a single use at a time, instead of maybe, a guard that you summon that can be beaten. (Similar to Luma.)

It looks kinda (Read, kinda) slow, and you need to charge it for real distance. (Which CAN be a good thing. It looks like it goes really friggin far.)

I won't be able to switch to sheik, (This is a heart-breaker for me. I loved that mechanic.)

It can be ****ing reflected. ARE YOU KIDDING ME SAKURAI!!!

I will say it looks like it has decent KB, huge range, and the move is eye candy though.

Zelda seems once again to be the butt of the buffs. Well, here's to hoping the rest of her is better BECAUSE THEY WOULDN'T SHOW ANY OF HER MOVES!

Hooray for sheik. I was REALLY hoping they'd bring her back. and I LOVE her new moves, even if their speculatory use seems questionable...

 

[Oz37]

I was wrong, I admit it.

But this is the stupidest thing I've ever heard of. That was the coolest thing about the friggin' transforming characters. You were two characters. It doesn't make a lick of sense to have Sheik and Zelda on the screen at the same time like that.

I'll eventually get over it, but as a fan of the transforming mechanic, this was a complete disaster.

To be fair, one can look at Sheik and Zelda being as different as Link and Toon Link now. Sheik is the representation of a tomboy-ish, Sheikah trained Zelda incarnation, while Zelda proper is the magical and princessy version. Ex, Ocarina vs Twilight just like Adult vs Young/Toon. It's not as stark of a character definition, but it really doesn't bother me in the long run. Honestly, I almost feel like we have 2 new characters for the price of one complex veteran.

 

[extremechiton]

new down special. funny how villager can pockeat it.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Well, everyone were right? It's a move and Sheik is back?

As a move, I'm glad it's not a stupid summon who wanders on it's own, but... Just a move. I have to know how it can be applied to be usefull now...

 

[Katy Parry]

Well, everyone were right? It's a move and Sheik is back?

As a move, I'm glad it's not a stupid summon who wanders on it's own, but... Just a move. I have to know how it can be applied to be usefull now...

I'm still in shock. I can't believe he would make such a drastic change. I can almost guaruntee its because the 3DS couldn't handle it. I mean, Olimar only has 3 Pikmin now, there are NO tether grabs.

I'll be back when Sakurai changes his mind. Again.

 

[Sobreviviente]

Diddy was right, even if he wasnt
This proofs sakurai is a lazy guy when comes to balance characters, honestly, im not even mad, but is kinda sad.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

I'm still in shock. I can't believe he would make such a drastic change. I can almost guaruntee its because the 3DS couldn't handle it. I mean, Olimar only has 3 Pikmin now, there are NO tether grabs.

I'll be back when Sakurai changes his mind. Again.

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It's more of how unbalanced Sheik and Zelda are together. Zelda was more of chain to Sheik in Melee. Sakurai's more or less fixing this balance issue. Same thing with Olimar, he was a little too OP in Brawl since he had 6 pikmin.

 

[Oz37]

Maybe I'm an eternal optimist, but I would definitely not say that this is evidence of Sakurai being a slacker or making poor decisions. Perhaps the initial decision to cut transformation characters was indeed because of the 3DS, but he decided to run with it and make every character balanced and individually viable, which I should think takes more work overall. And for that, I applaud him.

 

[SmashShadow]

I'm proud to say I called it being her down B.

 

[Frostwraith]

Well, a win-win situation, I suppose. I kinda liked transforming characters, but they're gone. Sheik and ZSS are back anyway, so I can't complain.

 

[Toadallstar2]

I hope this is useful. After the footage, I'm feeling pessimistic in the regard that Zelda will be bottom, or near the bottom tier once more.
They shown her Dins Fire when she shot it at the Chandelier Pokemon and it didn't look impressive either.

Ah well, I'm glad her and Sheik are separated at least.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Well, even if I think this was able to be acheived without separating them, if it gives Zelda and new attacks, combos and finishers, i'm ok with tht.

I always felt Zelda/Sheik were designed like she is in ocarina: Sheik does all the work and Zelda appears at the end.

 

[chronomantic]

I love her new down B! kinda lame it can be reflected though. I'm just happy my fave got buffed.

 

[Arcadenik]

Damn.... Diddy Kong was both right and wrong at the same time.... the Phantom was really Zelda's new Down+B but Sheik is now a separate character and he (Sheik is a man again, see... no boobs) did not get replaced by Impa.

 

[HylianHeroBigBoss]

Well its nice that we were right about the move, but yeah it is a bit bittersweet because sheik came back regardless.

 

[Sobreviviente]

Perhaps the initial decision to cut transformation characters was indeed because of the 3DS

Any proof thats indeed the reason?

Considering customization on mario's fire ball he was already planning to do such changes at each character, so...