Petitioning Nintendo: Develop a Gamecube controller style Wii U controller

[INs4niTY-]

Preach it Teneban, Preach it!

 

[mimgrim]

My worst gripe about the CCP is the lack of this little octagon shaped thingy that makes controls instantly 10 times more precise. But in a Smash game, where you have a 'main attack button', it also makes sense to have a 'main button' in the first place, so I don't see how they could top the GC pad's button layout in that regard.

Uhm.... a regular CCP has a ocatgonal shape around both control sticks. I don't know about the Wii-U CCP but the regular CCP definatly has a octagonal shape around the controls sticks.

Spoiler

See? It does have an octagonal shape around both sticks.

 

[StriCNYN3]

Melee fan logic: We will use the gamecube controller, and that controller alone. Any other controller is obsolete, even if we have to make adapters for the wii u without giving the control scheme a chance. We will have GAMECUBE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Seriously, there is no need to have an ancient controller, the pro controller will work fine

Nintendo Drone logic: No worries. We never really needed a controller that was ideal for 2 smash games in the series, anyway. Gotta follow whatever Nintendo says and adapt OR IT'S THE END OF ALL OF US (Trunks voice).

I'm willing to give the Pro controller a chance for Smash 4 as well (I mean I have too. I actually never had the opportunity to even use my Pro since I bought the damn thing in March). I want the Pro to be better so I can have my money's worth but what if it's not? You just assume it will be because it's new. If we had the option of having a controller that's generally accepted as being ideal for the series, why drop it for an excuse like "adapting"? What a stupid reason to drop something for a potentially not as great rendition just because it's old.

Lets take away all those Arcade Sticks from Street Fighter fans too while we're at it. Doesn't matter if the stick is ideal for that game. They've been overdue for some "adapting" for quite some time now....smh.

 

[Reznor]

Nintendo Drone logic: No worries. We never really needed a controller that was ideal for 2 smash games in the series, anyway. Gotta follow whatever Nintendo says and adapt OR IT'S THE END OF ALL OF US (Trunks voice).

I'm willing to give the Pro controller a chance for Smash 4 as well (I mean I have too. I actually never had the opportunity to even use my Pro since I bought the damn thing in March). I want the Pro to be better so I can have my money's worth but what if it's not? You just assume it will be because it's new. If we had the option of having a controller that's generally accepted as being ideal for the series, why drop it for an excuse like "adapting"? What a stupid reason to drop something for a potentially not as great rendition just because it's old.

Lets take away all those Arcade Sticks from Street Fighter fans too while we're at it. Doesn't matter if the stick is ideal for that game. They've been overdue for some "adapting" for quite some time now....smh.

its funny most pros I see playing injustice or MK use normal controllers instead of sticks

 

[nessokman]

Nintendo Drone logic: No worries. We never really needed a controller that was ideal for 2 smash games in the series, anyway. Gotta follow whatever Nintendo says and adapt OR IT'S THE END OF ALL OF US (Trunks voice).

I'm willing to give the Pro controller a chance for Smash 4 as well (I mean I have too. I actually never had the opportunity to even use my Pro since I bought the damn thing in March). I want the Pro to be better so I can have my money's worth but what if it's not? You just assume it will be because it's new. If we had the option of having a controller that's generally accepted as being ideal for the series, why drop it for an excuse like "adapting"? What a stupid reason to drop something for a potentially not as great rendition just because it's old.

Lets take away all those Arcade Sticks from Street Fighter fans too while we're at it. Doesn't matter if the stick is ideal for that game. They've been overdue for some "adapting" for quite some time now....smh.

Hardly a drone, my good fellow. I just adapt to change, unlike melee fans who are stuck in 2001.

 

[Starcutter]

you guys are pathetic if this is legit.

 

[nessokman]

Hrmmm, I can't say about PM as I don't have access to it in anyway. But on that note I also doubt Smash4 will be as fast as Melee just as I agree that it won't be as slow as Brawl. Sakurai said he was going for a middle ground of speed so whether or not this will be an issue for Smash4 will need to wait to be seen if it is one. Still, I wish I could test this for myself on PM just to see the difference. X_X Any chance you could do a video showing the difference? o.o

Minority? Most melee fans-
Hate brawl with a burning passion
won't accept change away from melee.

that isn't a steryotype.
In fact, next time someone brings this up, I ought to get around 25 quotes that go by that standard.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

Melee fan logic: We will use the gamecube controller, and that controller alone. Any other controller is obsolete, even if we have to make adapters for the wii u without giving the control scheme a chance. We will have GAMECUBE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Seriously, there is no need to have an ancient controller, the pro controller will work fine

Uh, who said Melee players were the only ones who played with the GC controller? They were available and preferred in Brawl to many players too. Way to attack a non-specified group of players.

I don't understand why so many people are getting on peoples cases for wanting to play with something that is arguably one of the most comfortable ergonomically designed controllers made. Not only are they great for smash, but I play a great deal of older games with wii emulation with them. It's extremely solid and the lay out is awesome, what's wrong with wanting that back? Look at the prices for the controllers online, they're ridiculous. Nintendo should capitalize on that **** asap, they'll definitely get my money. Not to mention a re-release will open up a new market for GC games on the virtual console. It's a win win, really.

Smash sells systems, throwing a controller in the mix just means more money and more opportunities for Nintendo. In my opinion, anyone who thinks other wise wouldn't be at business.

 

[nessokman]

Uh, who said Melee players were the only ones who played with the GC controller? They were available and preferred in Brawl to many players too. Way to attack a non-specified group of players.

I don't understand why so many people are getting on peoples cases for wanting to play with something that is arguably one of the most comfortable ergonomically designed controllers made. Not only are they great for smash, but I play a great deal of older games with wii emulation with them. It's extremely solid and the lay out is awesome, what's wrong with wanting that back? Look at the prices for the controllers online, they're ridiculous. Nintendo should capitalize on that **** asap, they'll definitely get my money. Not to mention a re-release will open up a new market for GC games on the virtual console. It's a win win, really.

Smash sells systems, throwing a controller in the mix just means more money and more opportunities for Nintendo. In my opinion, anyone who thinks other wise wouldn't be at business.

umm, i played Classic controller, and it is pretty great.Not an exact GC, a bit uncomfortable on the ol' left hand, but i got used to it. I got 2 GC controllers for $20 online, so i don't know what the hell you're talking about......The pro-controller will be just as good.

 

[Khaos23]

Just cut the edges off the top of the right-hand analogue stick on the pro controller and you'll be fine.

 

[Chiroz]

I signed the petition.

I don't think I'll buy it because quite honestly I already planned out a setup for the Wii U Pro which is much more efficient (its much faster input wise) and much more comfortable than the GC controller can hope to be.

Still, I respect everyone's wishes and I hope everyone can be happy, including those that do not want to change their ways. Everyone has their own preferences and if you are used to the GC, then that's cool too.

Signed.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

umm, i played Classic controller, and it is pretty great.Not an exact GC, a bit uncomfortable on the ol' left hand, but i got used to it. I got 2 GC controllers for $20 online, so i don't know what the hell you're talking about......The pro-controller will be just as good.

That's good. Do you also play for the rest of the entire smash community? If the answer is no, then my point still stands.

Nintendo's responses to appealing to what most gamers really want is half-assed for the most part, I mean look how long it took them to finally release Earthbound on the Virtual Console despite it being the most heavily requested game? Nintendo needs to be more advantageous instead of being so hard headed towards its consumers big or small. And good for you, you got two controllers at a steal, but everyone isn't so fortunate.

The Pro-Controller will be good to satisfy your needs, but based on the fact that there is an opposition it won't be. It has a ridiculous layout that essentially only mirrors the Wii U game pad and feels like a a 3rd party version of an Xbox 360 pad. Mind you I like the Xbox 360 controller, but the stick layout is not so comfortable. It's clear that Nintendo made these controllers for left handed players in mind too, and that's good, but I guarantee you that 90% of the players who own the controller/those who are planning to purchase it would be much more receptive if the right stick layout was at least inverted.

Honestly, everyone needs to stop spouting this adaption bs, we should be trying to adapt to the opponent, not the peripheral we are using; no one should have to fight a controller, especially if it's a forced creation that leaves much more to be desired. Look at Sony, they have had the same controller since they released their first console and no one is complaining. The only time a complain happen was when they tried to create that awful boomerang-esq controller. It being an awful controller in general didn't help its case either. It just shows that players just want to jump in the game, and there is nothing wrong with wanting your learning to be an in-game experience vs. having to make drastic changes just to ultimately get to the point where you can enjoy it.

 

[grizby2]

if the pro-controller is "just as good", then why make it in the first place?

xbox hardly changed their button scheme, and I think its because they knew what they had was GOLDEN.
my first wii mote experience was like someone taking the steering wheel out of a car and replacing it with a touchpad. it can work just as well, but did they have to re-place the wheel? XD

im not just sympathizing with the melee crowd here, im just giving my 2 cents, being a veteran gamer for all systems. Im genuinely baffled as to why Nintendo chose to do what they did. most of my friends turned away from Nintendo after they realiezed that a GC'esque controller was no longer going to be the norm for the wii,and now they hardly talk about the games they make (and they LOVED Nintendo).
theres no way im missing out on smash 4, so im going to learn how to use another controller, not because I want to, because I HAVE to. kinda hurts myself to say that even....

 

[Johnknight1]

That's good. Do you also play for the rest of the entire smash community? If the answer is no, then my point still stands.

Honestly, everyone needs to stop spouting this adaption bs, we should be trying to adapt to the opponent, not the peripheral we are using; no one should have to fight a controller, especially if it's a forced creation that leaves much more to be desired.

Quote for the winnn!!!!

But really, all this is true. Over ten million people probably have/had a GameCube controller, part of which was in part for Melee and Brawl. Releasing a successor controller would only be a logical business decision, and such a controller would easily sell millions. Heck, Nintendo could even BUNDLE IT WITH SMASH WIIU to make RIDICULOUS AMOUNTS OF MONEY!!!!

This whole "it shouldn't happen cuz of derh" logic is stupid, and proves once again why Habanero's signature is the most true one in the universe ("Humans are probably the dumbest creatures alive.").

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

Quote for the winnn!!!!

But really, all this is true. Over ten million people probably have/had a GameCube controller, part of which was in part for Melee and Brawl. Releasing a successor controller would only be a logical business decision, and such a controller would easily sell millions. Heck, Nintendo could even BUNDLE IT WITH SMASH WIIU to make RIDICULOUS AMOUNTS OF MONEY!!!!

This whole "it shouldn't happen cuz of derh" logic is stupid, and proves once again why Habanero's signature is the most true one in the universe ("Humans are probably the dumbest creatures alive.").

If they did a control bundle like they did with Skyward Sword I would be sooooooo on board.

 

[Johnknight1]

If they did a control bundle like they did with Skyward Sword I would be sooooooo on board.

I would just tell Nintendo to take all my moneys, my couch, and heck, probably one of my 3 PS2's just in case!

Heck, if they made a bundle with 4 controllers I'd buy that, especially if it came with a poster or two and a CD/soundtrack.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

I would just tell Nintendo to take all my moneys, my couch, and heck, probably one of my 3 PS2's just in case!

Heck, if they made a bundle with 4 controllers I'd buy that, especially if it came with a poster or two and a CD/soundtrack.

dude you have 3 PS2's? I'm jealous.

 

[Johnknight1]

dude you have 3 PS2's? I'm jealous.

To be fair, one broke (my dad accidentally stepped on it like 10 years ago, and I lost it in my garage before I could throw it out), and my brother and I kinda sorta share 2, but we use them both all the time.

I mostly just consider everything he owns as mine anyways!

 

[Priap0s]

'Hey, let's switch the position of the stick so that Microsoft can't sue us !'
'omfg you're a genius Iwata !'

Pretty sure that's how it went.

I don't care how it worked. It's not the same, you claimed it was. Therefor you are wrong and should not make up facts.

(OT: If you want to go deeper in that discussion then how come no one have sued anyone over this before, succesfully? Microsoft for sure wasn't first with dual sticks placed mirrored to each other on each side of the controller.)

 

[Priap0s]

1. How is sad that people want a new GameCube controller that they are willing to pay $50 for=??? If enough people want it, a smart business man will make it and sell it.

No, a dumb buisness man will jump to that conclusion. A smart one will see that it is not peoples disability to adapt, it's just peoples laziness or nostalgia making them cry without trying the new thing. They can and will adapt if they have to.
A smart buisness man will realise that these people will buy a WiiU pro controller anyway and after a while they will have adapted and probably not care about the GC-controller anymore. So why waste money by designing, keeping in stock and in stores, just to make a new/port an old controller when the current official one does the same thing and will sell to the exact people that would buy the GC-version instead?
Remember that I speak of the majority of people. In a buisness aspect you don't care about the 100 outsiders that keep hating the new controller even after playing with it for a longer period of time.



And about whats best? I have no clue, I have yet to play a smash game with the WiiU pro controller.
Hard, if not impossible, to judge when you haven't tried. I'm sure people will prefer different ones. But I am sure the pro controller with its lay out will work very well and that is all I require (even thou I loved the gc-controller. Personally think its the most comfortable console controler ever).

 

[StriCNYN3]

its funny most pros I see playing injustice or MK use normal controllers instead of sticks

I prefer a controller for UMK3 as well. I guess it makes sense NetherRealm games feel better with a controller because the input scheme isn't like other fighters, having a block button with moves like Right, Down, Right -> Run button for characters and all instead of quarter circles and such. In Street Fighter, planking is easier to execute on a stick considering how the HP/HK, MP/MK and LP/LK is positioned.

I mean, I understand that not everything lasts forever and all, but I still find it dumb that the sole reason people here won't give something good a chance is because "it's too old". It's not like the Cube controller is obsolete.

That just tells me that even with the strong likelihood of enhancing their Smash experience, those people just want to refuse just for the sake of refusing. They stereotype Melee players not giving something a chance, yet they post dumb reasonings like "too old" and won't give the old controller a chance. Reeks of hypocrisy there.

 

[Priap0s]

@StriCNYN3 ^ Isn't it more that people thinks its dumb to sign and make this petetition without even trying to play smash with the new standard, aka the WiiU pro controller?

Because it seems pretty silly to judge and rule out something without trying it. However, I do agree that it is equally silly to rule out something because of age (thou I haven't seen anyone critisising this petetition just because the gc-controller is "to old"?) as it is to rule out something without even trying it.

 

[StriCNYN3]

@StriCNYN3 ^ Isn't it more that people thinks its dumb to sign and make this petetition without even trying to play smash with the new standard, aka the WiiU pro controller?

Because it seems pretty silly to judge and rule out something without trying it. However, I do agree that it is equally silly to rule out something because of age (thou I haven't seen anyone critisising this petetition just because the gc-controller is "to old"?) as it is to rule out something without even trying it.

Who said people can't just sign a petition for a GC controller while they try out the the Pro controller in the off chance it doesn't come to be? What's the problem in showing there's an audience out there?

The person I replied to was the one with the "too old" argument. Others in here just posting "adapt", "move on" and etc aren't making any strong arguments whatsoever either and I assume they're lumped with that same logic as well if that's all they got to put forward in this topic.

 

[Priap0s]

Who said people can't just sign a petition for a GC controller while they try out the the Pro controller in the off chance it doesn't come to be? What's the problem in showing there's an audience out there?

The person I replied to was the one with the "too old" argument. Others in here just posting "adapt", "move on" and etc aren't making any strong arguments whatsoever either and I assume they're lumped with that same logic as well if that's all they got to put forward in this topic.

Because why would Nintendo take that petetition seriously when they know that no one even tried playing smash with the new controller? We can't know that we rather want a gc-controller or that the new wont suffice, when we haven't even tried yet.

The only argument that is needed is, try before praising or critisising. And in a sense, isn't that what you do when you "adapt" or "move on"? And if it's no huge difference (wich it probably won't be) I think it would be overdoing it to introduce yet another control scheme.

 

[Amazing Ampharos]

This is simple. I'm sure the development team will design the game to work with modern control options; most of us should be able to learn how to play with those. Those of us who don't want to can use any of the several converters available on the market today; personally I already own one for other reasons that I am happy I retain the option to use down the road for smash 4 if it proves best for me though I do intend to try to learn something new with the converter just being a fall-back. Either way, I just don't see the utility in petitioning Nintendo for this, and even if I did, I can tell you that such a petition has approximately zero chance of success. Nintendo isn't the kind of company to listen to stuff like this; it's lucky that we don't really need it.

 

[mimgrim]

Minority? Most melee fans-
Hate brawl with a burning passion
won't accept change away from melee.

that isn't a steryotype.
In fact, next time someone brings this up, I ought to get around 25 quotes that go by that standard.

25 quotes of basically the same people? Also even if it 25 different people, that is still only 25. Melee community is much bigger then that. I always see the same people bashing Brawl. I've even lurked around the Melee section a few times, the majority might to prefer Brawl but they don't care if you like it better and play it and don't go no where as far as hating as others do, they might say they prefer Melee but that is really it. The people you are whining about are a very vocal minority. Pay attetion to the vocal part this time. You are no worse then the people you are whining about.

 

[Reznor]

25 quotes of basically the same people? Also even if it 25 different people, that is still only 25. Melee community is much bigger then that. I always see the same people bashing Brawl. I've even lurked around the Melee section a few times, the majority might to prefer Brawl but they don't care if you like it better and play it and don't go no where as far as hating as others do, they might say they prefer Melee but that is really it. The people you are whining about are a very vocal minority. Pay attetion to the vocal part this time. You are no worse then the people you are whining about.

what I've never understood is why can't people play both it's not like their tournaments happen at the same time
people just play both game competitively

 

[Bajef8]

The whole controller debate is pointless. Seriously. Get over it and just use what is out. If you want to go out of your way for a 3rd party remedy, go for it, but it's not difficult to switch controllers. If you own more than 1 console, you should be used to it.

And btw, the 360 controller ripped off the Cube. They copied the exact analog stick lay out, and basic shape of the controller. Every major controller innovations gets picked up from Nintendo by Sony and Microsoft.

 

[Rodriguez5]

I hate the people who keep saying theres adapters when those adapter aren't very reponsive. You want to play smash with low responsive controllers? Of course not smash can't be played that way. So sign the petition and help make it official!

 

[eshu125]

Quote for the winnn!!!!

But really, all this is true. Over ten million people probably have/had a GameCube controller, part of which was in part for Melee and Brawl. Releasing a successor controller would only be a logical business decision, and such a controller would easily sell millions. Heck, Nintendo could even BUNDLE IT WITH SMASH WIIU to make RIDICULOUS AMOUNTS OF MONEY!!!!

This whole "it shouldn't happen cuz of derh" logic is stupid, and proves once again why Habanero's signature is the most true one in the universe ("Humans are probably the dumbest creatures alive.").

'Millions'

Yes, because the competitive smash community has MILLIONS.

Sorry but first of all, this whole 'c-stick is more optimal for competitive gaming' is absolute bs. That is nothing but opinionated speculation. If Ultimate Razer can pull the **** off that he did on a wiimote + nunchuck, the community really does need to stfu and..dare I say it...adapt.

It is not optimal for a company to make a controller for a small userbase requesting it. A business chooses its products based on its consumer base, and the competitive smash community is literally the 1%. On top of that, some people are arguing against it, which makes the people you're representing even fewer.

So yes, adapt to whatever new controller is usable. A new controller won't provide any competitive disadvantage because everyone will have to learn a new control scheme

P.S. Calling people that disagree with you 'dumb' and other generic insults doesn't validate your opinion.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Ok you guys and girls are going to complain about this

Shut up and get this

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BS520SG

It can make a GameCube wireless on the wii and make these work for wii u

 

[Reznor]

Ok you guys and girls are going to complain about this

Shut up and get this

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BS520SG

It can make a GameCube wireless on the wii and make these work for wii u

the adapter is in the first post of the thread we already know about it

and wire controllers are better than wireless just saying

 

[nessokman]

You are no worse then the people you are whining about.

Not worse? That means i am not as bad as them

That's good. Do you also play for the rest of the entire smash community? If the answer is no, then my point still stands.

Nintendo's responses to appealing to what most gamers really want is half-***** for the most part, I mean look how long it took them to finally release Earthbound on the Virtual Console despite it being the most heavily requested game? Nintendo needs to be more advantageous instead of being so hard headed towards its consumers big or small. And good for you, you got two controllers at a steal, but everyone isn't so fortunate.

The Pro-Controller will be good to satisfy your needs, but based on the fact that there is an opposition it won't be. It has a ridiculous layout that essentially only mirrors the Wii U game pad and feels like a a 3rd party version of an Xbox 360 pad. Mind you I like the Xbox 360 controller, but the stick layout is not so comfortable. It's clear that Nintendo made these controllers for left handed players in mind too, and that's good, but I guarantee you that 90% of the players who own the controller/those who are planning to purchase it would be much more receptive if the right stick layout was at least inverted.

Honestly, everyone needs to stop spouting this adaption bs, we should be trying to adapt to the opponent, not the peripheral we are using; no one should have to fight a controller, especially if it's a forced creation that leaves much more to be desired. Look at Sony, they have had the same controller since they released their first console and no one is complaining. The only time a complain happen was when they tried to create that awful boomerang-esq controller. It being an awful controller in general didn't help its case either. It just shows that players just want to jump in the game, and there is nothing wrong with wanting your learning to be an in-game experience vs. having to make drastic changes just to ultimately get to the point where you can enjoy it.

Earthbound had legitimate copyright issues due to some of the music, We still don't know if they resolved those issues or what happened to make them release it

 

[LiteralGrill]

I was seriously planning on wiring up a dreamcast controller to run on the wii u, just because as stupid as it sounds it's always been my favorite. And it'd freak the hell out of people seeing dreamcast run on a nintendo console.

 

[Johnknight1]

^^^ I cannot tell you how funny it would be to see people at Smash tournaments using a Dreamcast, PlayStation, or Xbox controllers!

That's why I can't wait to see people use the arcade sticks/controllers. Heck, maybe I could go total ballsyand use a keyboard!

'Millions'

Yes, because the competitive smash community has MILLIONS.

I'm sorry, I didn't know NO CASUAL SMASHERS PREFER THE GAMECUBE CONTROLLER or that YOU SPEAK ON THE BEHALF OF ALL CASUAL SMASHERS!!!

Like I said, most casual smashers prefer the GameCube controllers. I've never met a casual smasher who didn't prefer the GameCube controller. Heck, my girlfriend's nephews and I were playing smash one time, and one of them played with a GameCube controller that was messed up like heck over a Classic Controller because he preferred the former.

Seeing as how there are millions of casual smashers, I guess that means that there is a potential for good business, especially as a BUNDLE!!! I mean, if you can bundle a freaking Wii Fit Balance Board with that trashy game for fat old people, why can't you do it for Smash=???

Sorry but first of all, this whole 'c-stick is more optimal for competitive gaming' is absolute bs. That is nothing but opinionated speculation. If Ultimate Razer can pull the **** off that he did on a wiimote + nunchuck, the community really does need to stfu and..dare I say it...adapt.

I say Nintendo should "adapt" by making a new controller, and that I can want what I want without giving two craps about some random scrubs' opinions.

I also can say that I don't care that one random Brawl player uses the setup; quite frankly in a competitive environment with a fast-paced game, that setup is, as Project M says when you use a Wiimote, a "failure."

On top of that, wireless controllers in tournament settings can create serious desynch issues. If we had that with Melee at Evo, there would be so many bad connections with the controllers, it wouldn't be funny. I know "casual" smashers might not care (although the hundreds of thousands who followed Melee at Evo would care), but to us, a wire is important, and I'm pretty sure Sakurai is aware of that.

It is not optimal for a company to make a controller for a small userbase requesting it.

Smash fans = small fanbase, because 7 and 11 million fans don't matter. Yep.

A business chooses its products based on its consumer base, and the competitive smash community is literally the 1%. On top of that, some people are arguing against it, which makes the people you're representing even fewer.

Even if it's 1%, 1% of say 10-15 million people who will buy this game is still 1-1.5 million people, which is a lot. And again, competitive smashers aren't the only ones who prefer the GameCube controller.

Besides, it would be nice to see Nintendo stick with a controller that works. Microsoft and Sony do.

P.S. Calling people that disagree with you 'dumb' and other generic insults doesn't validate your opinion.

I'm not calling SPECIFIC people dumb, I'm calling "Humans" dumb. If you learned to read, instead of seeing opposing opinions from a Nintendo fanboy site and raging you'd know that by using this thing we call reading.

Let me quote my quote of Habanero's signature...

"Humans are probably the dumbest creatures alive."

Again, I can want what I want, and anyone screaming "adapt" just for the sake of adapting is stupid. I'm sorry, but I don't want to adapt to a controller I am pretty sure if inferior. You can disagree with my assessment, but my reasoning is completely logical and sound. And heck, I'm willing to "adapt" to an improved GameCube controller, like what people have suggested.

Maybe what you should be saying is "evolve," because that's the opposite of what you are doing. You are devolving, which is more proof that "humans are probably the dumbest creatures alive." But hey, you can go back to screaming at people who have opinions different than yours; I just won't care or respond.

 

[eshu125]

'YOU SPEAK ON THE BEHALF OF ALL CASUAL SMASHERS!!!'
No, but neither do you.
'Like I said, most casual smashers prefer the GameCube controllers.'

' 1% [of 10-15 million people is 1 - 1.5 million people...]' (can someone write that one down?)

'I'm not calling SPECIFIC people dumb, I'm calling "Humans" dumb. If you learned to read, instead of seeing opposing opinions from a Nintendo fanboy site and raging you'd know that by using this thing we call reading.'

So insults need to be specific to be insulting? So if I called the mentally handicapped 'dumb', it isn't insulting to someone with down syndrome because you didn't refer to it specifically?

'You are devolving, which is more proof that "humans are probably the dumbest creatures alive."

^That's an insult, which you are still relying on to further prove your point.

I shouldn't have to explain why your balance board argument is completely null...But what the heck. The balance board provided the main gameplay element. A gamecube controller is not required to fully experience what the game has to offer.

Nintendo has already put a lot of their resources into making wii u pro controllers, so actually they would make more money off of non-'scrub's and casual smashers alike by bundling their new wii u pro controllers with smash 4. That would be the more viable business decision to make, despite your perfect argument.

'my reasoning is completely logical and sound'

It isn't hard to review your post and infer that you are far from being logical and sound in this context.

 

[Johnknight1]

^^^ Again, packaging a controller with the game is smart. Also, "people are probably the stupidest alive" is pretty true. What other species *****, murders, destroys the environment, and spends so much time telling other people they are wrong because their opinions are different (like what you are doing)=??? How aren't we the stupidest species alive=???

Also, the WiiU Pro Controller is more for platformers and shooters, while the CC Pro is for arcade (non-fighting) and retro games. A new GameCube controller would work fine with fighting games and smash.

And if Nintendo put a lot of resources into the WiiU already like you claimed, maybe more than 4% of Wii owners would have one.

No, a dumb buisness man will jump to that conclusion. A smart one will see that it is not peoples disability to adapt, it's just peoples laziness or nostalgia making them cry without trying the new thing. They can and will adapt if they have to.
A smart buisness man will realise that these people will buy a WiiU pro controller anyway and after a while they will have adapted and probably not care about the GC-controller anymore. So why waste money by designing, keeping in stock and in stores, just to make a new/port an old controller when the current official one does the same thing and will sell to the exact people that would buy the GC-version instead?

A smart business man will realize that people want an upgraded GameCube controller or a bundle with it, because over ten million people use and prefer it. A smart controller designer also realizes sticking with a controller people like is the way to go, which is why the GameCube controller was usable in Brawl, and why the Classic Controller is just an upgraded Super Nintendo controller.

Also, using the word "disability" to describe anyone is messed up.

Remember that I speak of the majority of people. In a buisness aspect you don't care about the 100 outsiders that keep hating the new controller even after playing with it for a longer period of time.

True facts: Most smash players play with the GameCube controller, and nearly all of them prefer it to the other control options in Brawl (including Sakurai, who probably only made the 2 Wiimote options to appease the Big N), and probably feel the same way about the Pro Controller and the CC Pro=??? How is that 100 outsiders=???

Also, I'm a business major, so don't pull that crap with me. If you're a businessman, you know fine well that if the majority of 11 million people want a newer adaptation of something, you make it and sell it to them. After all, you never turn down an opportunity for easy, legal, and honest money.

Oh, and I didn't know you were everyone ever in the majority. Pleased to meet you majority. Please, speak for all of us. Please, talk over the guy who's a business major who knows how to make money, whose family has been in the supply and demand trade aspect of business for over a century. Please, keep talking.

And about whats best? I have no clue, I have yet to play a smash game with the WiiU pro controller.
Hard, if not impossible, to judge when you haven't tried. I'm sure people will prefer different ones. But I am sure the pro controller with its lay out will work very well and that is all I require (even thou I loved the gc-controller. Personally think its the most comfortable console controler ever).

I've tried all the alternatives in Tekken Tag Tournament 2, and they felt not fit for a fighting game, sorry. I'll possibly try them agian, but honestly, I'll just "adapt" by using a GCN to WiiU wired adapter or by getting a follow up controller to the GCN Controller. Maybe if you read my previous posts, you'd have known that. However, wanting ANOTHER OPTION does not make me ignorant of the other choices.

But hey, if you think you are smarter then everyone else, then keep up and "preach." It's cute watching people who think they speak on the behalf of everyone not know how silly they are. It is always funny watching random newcomers from Nintendo fandumb fanboy sites talk to me like I don't know diddly squat.

 

[Reznor]

^^^ Again, packaging a controller with the game is smart. Also, "people are probably the stupidest alive" is pretty true. What other species *****, murders, destroys the environment, and spends so much time telling other people they are wrong because their opinions are different (like what you are doing)=??? How aren't we the stupidest species alive=???

Also, the WiiU Pro Controller is more for platformers and shooters, while the CC Pro is for arcade (non-fighting) and retro games. A new GameCube controller would work fine with fighting games and smash.

And if Nintendo put a lot of resources into the WiiU already like you claimed, maybe more than 4% of Wii owners would have one.

thought you were joking with the "humans are the stupidest" stuff but it looks like your for reals

one other species that ***** and murders more than humans are dolphins and don't get me started on the chimpanzee

 

[Johnknight1]

thought you were joking with the "humans are the stupidest" stuff but it looks like your for reals

one other species that ***** and murders more than humans are dolphins and don't get me started on the chimpanzee

"Humans are probably the dumbest creatures alive" isn't hard to prove. All you have to do is read some of the stuff posted here, and you know that is a fact.

Like, you know, people getting mad because we want an updated GameCube controller.... with a C-stick!!!

*gasp* People want something we don't=??? THEY ARE SATAN!!!!

Or they flip out and say we are acting like we feel "entitled" to such things, even though, you know, we are willing to pay for it.

Seriously, if we want something reasonable and are willing to pay for it, that isn't entitled, that is calling CONSUMERISM AND CAPITALISM AT ITS' FINEST!!!!

 

[eshu125]

'But hey, if you think you are smarter then everyone else, then keep up and "preach." It's cute watching people who think they speak on the behalf of everyone not know how silly they are. It is always funny watching random newcomers from Nintendo fandumb fanboy sites talk to me like I don't know diddly squat.'​

I can't help but point out that this is exactly what you're doing. The only credibility you hold is that you're a businessman, but that doesn't change that you're looking at the situation subjectively and then claiming things such as 'True facts: Most smash players play with the GameCube controller'.​

Personally, I would love to be able to use a wired, gamecube controller for the wii u. I grew up with the gamecube (and n64, but i mostly watched my older brother play until the gamecube came out) and i can't stand it when I'm forced to play smash on a wiimote or classic controller when there's no other option available. However I happen to have a lot of friends that are casual smash players as well (did that catch you off-guard?) and most of them prefer using wiimote + nunchuck because it's the control scheme that they are most familiar with, as most of them never owned a nintendo console until the wii came out. Your personal experiences does not make your opinion an undeniable fact, and neither do mine. So with all of these personal experiences floating around, all that remains is speculation, and as a business man I'd hope that you don't make decisions based on speculation. I wish it was a pure fact, because I would personally enjoy the living crap out of smash 4 if I got to use a 1st party, wired gamecube controller, but it doesn't seem to be a viable or realistic option. ​

Now, with all of that said, can anyone confirm if this gamecube attachment will be consistent with all games? I.e. does nintendo need to manually support the option or can I juust automatically set up which buttons sink with which and play smash bros on a gamecube controller willy-nilly?​