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People, there WILL be more Mario reps

Darthkirby707

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Dimentio needs in.
He's so awesome, he'd count for three reps.
That'd be awesome, but I don't think he's enough of a major character to get in. I expect Bowser Jr., and maybe someone else. I don't think Daisy or Waluigi deserve it. Honestly, I don't think Geno does either. I beleive he's only been in one game (but I'm not sure..)
 

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Yoshi and Birdo don't really have anything in common to make them alts...
Agreed, they don't have enough similarities to be alternate costumes and, frankly, Birdo gives me the creeps.

That'd be awesome, but I don't think he's enough of a major character to get in. I expect Bowser Jr., and maybe someone else. I don't think Daisy or Waluigi deserve it. Honestly, I don't think Geno does either. I beleive he's only been in one game (but I'm not sure..)
Geno appeared in two Mario games but didn't have a major role in one.
 

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what we need is kirby reps. Dedede and Adeleine ftfw.

The only Mario rep worth joining is Iggy, and you know it.

 

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So, adding a character just because they wouldn't be a clone? Yeah, that makes sense.

Seriously, people, think about the situation here. No, there aren't many more crucial Mario characters - if we get ANY more, it will undoubtably be either Toad or Geno. Toad deserves it the most, and Geno has the most fan support (one of the most-requested characters of all, FYI).

The only Paper Mario character to even get on Sakurai's poll is Vivian.
I would like to point out that not only does Toad "deserve" it the most but he is also more popular of the 2.

Im saying this because of this.
1) The NP readers voted Toad into 2nd place on the "what characters do you want for SSB3" poll (Wario was in first place and Pitt was in 3rd....Walugi was 4th-5th) and 2) On the melee polls Toad was not only the 4th most wanted mario character (Wario was 3rd/ Peach 2nd/ browser 1st) but he was also the 9th most wanted character out of all the characters asked for (Geno was only the 8th most wanted Mario character --(Goomba was 3rd and Mallow was 9th)-- and wasn't in the top 20 most wanted characters).
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=81891&highlight=melee+poll+1999

Not trying to start anything but Im just saying that Im using mediums other than the hand full of sites i go to to say this. It's easy to say that something Like Lucario is the most wanted pokemon if you only use a few smash sites as your reason.:p

And yes, I agree that there arnt many more mario characters that NEED to be in. I mean, come on now. If we get up to smash bros 6 should there really be like 10-15 Mario characters "just because"? I think that 5-6 is a very reasonable number of characters for any of the big 3 series so I think that only 1-2 new mario characters are coming.
 

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That was the Melee poll...the Brawl poll had Geno tied for the 2nd most wanted character
 

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That was the Melee poll...the Brawl poll had Geno tied for the 2nd most wanted character
Where?
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=71872&highlight=Lucario
(why the hell does that URL say Lucario?)

The brawl polls are only counting the ones Sakurai showed us and replyed about. Any where from 4 to 400 people could have asked for Geno but we don't know because Sakurai only picked 4 people's sugguestions to reply to and show on his viewable list.

I mean, hell, Sonic isn't on the poll at all yet both Miyamoto and Sakurai outright said that he was the most wanted character for brawl when they said that they asked Sega about him. This lise only shows the character sugguestion he fond "interesting" and not how many people voted for what character (just look at the melee polls. . . . seems pretty clear that the way that one was designed gave away alot of the characters)
 

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Where?
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=71872&highlight=Lucario
(why the hell does that URL say Lucario?)

The brawl polls are only counting the ones Sakurai showed us and replyed about. Any where from 4 to 400 people could have asked for Geno but we don't know because Sakurai only picked 4 people's sugguestions to reply to and show on his viewable list.

I mean, hell, Sonic isn't on the poll at all yet both Miyamoto and Sakurai outright said that he was the most wanted character for brawl when they said that they asked Sega about him. This lise only shows the character sugguestion he fond "interesting" and not how many people voted for what character (just look at the melee polls. . . . seems pretty clear that the way that one was designed gave away alot of the characters)
Maybe because Sakurai is bias...

But I think Sonic is not on it for obvious reasons...being the top requested 3rd party character since everyone wants to see Sonic Vs. Mario
 

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Maybe because Sakurai is bias...

But I think Sonic is not on it for obvious reasons...being the top requested 3rd party character since everyone wants to see Sonic Vs. Mario
It's obvious that he is trying to hide this donkey in the room with a bed sheet. He even went so for as to name one of the Music Man for his works in NiGHTS and not say that he was the man who made the music for the first Sonis game.

The melee polls are very much more accurate in the respect of "who was voted for the most". Brawl poll has 100s of suggest for characters and many where suggested more than once. . . we only know just the number of suggest post that he fond interesting and showed us.
 

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It's obvious that he is trying to hide this donkey in the room with a bed sheet. He even went so for as to name one of the Music Man for his works in NiGHTS and not say that he was the man how made the music for the first Sonis game.

The melee polls are very much more accurate in the respect of "who was voted for the most". Brawl poll has 100s of suggest for characters and many where suggested more than once. . . we only know just the number of suggest post that he fond interesting and showed us.
Exactly...so now we know what he likes and how many people he found to that which we found interesting...

...In other words...In regards to sakurai's own bias
 

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Confirmed Mario reps:
Mario, Peach, Yoshi, Bowser, DK, Diddy

I'm expecting:
Bowser Jr., Luigi, possibly Waluigi
For your expectations...

Luigi - Yes
Waluigi - No
Bowser Jr - Maybe


Not in your expectations but yes

Geno
 

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*is late for thread*

I seriously dont want any more mario characters. the only GOOD remaining mario rep left was turned into a boss anyway.
boo to bowser jr, geno, and waluigi.
 

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*is late for thread*

I seriously dont want any more mario characters. the only GOOD remaining mario rep left was turned into a boss anyway.
boo to bowser jr, geno, and waluigi.
How is a possessed Doll that can shoot lasers and summon light energies from the heavens not a cool character?
 

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How is a possessed Doll that can shoot lasers and summon light energies from the heavens not a cool character?
geno is just a mariofied black mage. minus the awesome hat.

and mostly because he's a mario character. and I'm against ALL new mario characters equally. I just seem to hate geno more, since more people mention him.
 

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geno is just a mariofied black mage. minus the awesome hat.

and mostly because he's a mario character. and I'm against ALL new mario characters equally. I just seem to hate geno more, since more people mention him.
Except Black Mages don't use light or have the highest attack (except Mario with the Lazy Shell) and speed in their games
 

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Exactly...so now we know what he likes and how many people he found to that which we found interesting...

...In other words...In regards to sakurai's own bias
. . . Not exactly. Remember, Link's Uncil. These are just suggestions from fans that he fond "interesting" which could mean "hey, thats a nice idea/ LOL, thats funny!/ Wow! You put alot of thought into that!/ humm, I wonder what you mean't ( someone kept suggesting Geno but changed the name with Toad's Japanese name) ".

Not really a "look inside his bias". He was replying to the post suggesting characters, not the thought of just having said character be in. He openly asked people to not just suggest someone a 100 times and expect anything from it. He gave people room to be creative (one girl actually suggested some FE female as if she was the FE girl talking about how much she would love to be in Brawl and fight other Nintendo characters) and it just soo happens that he liked 4 post sugguesting Geno.

 

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Paper Mario is better than Bowser Jr. Why do people think Bowser Jr. has a higher chance?
Villain of two games vs. star of 3. Not a hard choice. Plus, Paper Mario wins in the WTF!? department. Imagine a completely flat character. And he wouldn't even be a clone, considering the move possibilities provided him by the games.
 

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Paper Mario is better than Bowser Jr. Why do people think Bowser Jr. has a higher chance?
Villain of two games vs. star of 3. Not a hard choice. Plus, Paper Mario wins in the WTF!? department. Imagine a completely flat character. And he wouldn't even be a clone, considering the move possibilities provided him by the games.
I'm not sure what forum you're reading but there are very few people who think Bowser Jr. has a better chance then Paper Mario.
 

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I don't know about "reps"... that is, I don't really think we'll be seeing more than one Mario newcomer. Not so much because of any ridiculous concepts like quotas, but just because I don't really think there are many stand-out characters from that franchise that aren't in the game already. Only one I can see getting in, honestly, is Toad. No, the fact that Peach retains her Toad attack does not serve as any indication whatsoever as to whether or not Toad will turn up as a playable character; Tron Bonne utilizing Servbot in Marvel vs. Capcom 2 for some of her moves did not prevent Servbot from being a playable character.
 

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I don't know about "reps"... that is, I don't really think we'll be seeing more than one Mario newcomer. Not so much because of any ridiculous concepts like quotas, but just because I don't really think there are many stand-out characters from that franchise that aren't in the game already. Only one I can see getting in, honestly, is Toad. No, the fact that Peach retains her Toad attack does not serve as any indication whatsoever as to whether or not Toad will turn up as a playable character; Tron Bonne utilizing Servbot in Marvel vs. Capcom 2 for some of her moves did not prevent Servbot from being a playable character.
First up, this isn't Marvel vs. Capcom 2. Secondly, the fact that Peach still has her B move is exactly what serves as indication that he won't be in. Thirdly, there is multiple "stand-out characters." Lastly, I do apologize for me making your first post not go so well. I'm not a fan of Toad
 

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I don't know about "reps"... that is, I don't really think we'll be seeing more than one Mario newcomer. Not so much because of any ridiculous concepts like quotas, but just because I don't really think there are many stand-out characters from that franchise that aren't in the game already. Only one I can see getting in, honestly, is Toad. No, the fact that Peach retains her Toad attack does not serve as any indication whatsoever as to whether or not Toad will turn up as a playable character; Tron Bonne utilizing Servbot in Marvel vs. Capcom 2 for some of her moves did not prevent Servbot from being a playable character.
I really agree. You make some good points, good job;).

I mean, it's not like there has to be a crap load of Mario characters added each Smash. And theres more than one Toad so I don't see how one being with peach = NO Toad can be playable.

Look! A town FULL of Toad!
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/wii/rmgj/prologue/index03.html
 

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Other than Geno and Bowser Jr, what other good reps could there be?
I do agree that there will be more Mario characters, but shouldn't Nintendo try to showcase more franchises with the extra slots that they have?
 

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I really agree. You make some good points, good job;).

I mean, it's not like there has to be a crap load of Mario characters added each Smash. And theres more than one Toad so I don't see how one being with peach = NO Toad can be playable.

Look! A town FULL of Toad!
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/wii/rmgj/prologue/index03.html
As someone on page 16 pointed out to me, there is only one real Toad. The rest are just humans with similar fasion senses.
 

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As someone on page 16 pointed out to me, there is only one real Toad. The rest are just humans with similar fasion senses.
"Toad, known in Japan as Kinopio (キノピオ, Kinopio?), is a humanoid mushroom that is both a single character and the collective name of the "Mushroom People" found in the Mushroom Kingdom."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mario_series_characters#Toad

It's also the name of the Mushroom people.

Also. . .
"Toadette is a member of the Toad species that appears as a playable character in various spin-off games. "
 

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"Toad, known in Japan as Kinopio (キノピオ, Kinopio?), is a humanoid mushroom that is both a single character and the collective name of the "Mushroom People" found in the Mushroom Kingdom."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mario_series_characters#Toad

It's also the name of the Mushroom people.

Also. . .
"Toadette is a member of the Toad species that appears as a playable character in various spin-off games. "
Really? Well in that case I return to my original argument in which I state that Toad is too generic for Brawl and having Toad in would be like having a Koopa in Brawl.
 

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Really? Well in that case I return to my original argument in which I state that Toad is too generic for Brawl and having Toad in would be like having a Koopa in Brawl.
He is stated to be the chief guard of the Mushroom Retainers. <-That's Toad....

Personally I think it's more like adding Kamek or one of the Koopalings
 

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Really? Well in that case I return to my original argument in which I state that Toad is too generic for Brawl and having Toad in would be like having a Koopa in Brawl.

"Toad, known in Japan as Kinopio (キノピオ, Kinopio?), is a humanoid mushroom that is both a single character and the collective name of the "Mushroom People"

I was saying that we are both right homs. There IS a singal Toad but thats also the name of it's race of people. And again! Pikachu, I choose you!!!! Along with Char-Ivy-Squirt and Jpuff!

(Sure, Pika is the mascott of Pokemon. . . but Toad is also one of the 5 mascotts for mario so. . . .)
 

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"Toad, known in Japan as Kinopio (キノピオ, Kinopio?), is a humanoid mushroom that is both a single character and the collective name of the "Mushroom People"

I was saying that we are both right homs. There IS a singal Toad but thats also the name of it's race of people. And again! Pikachu, I choose you!!!! Along with Char-Ivy-Squirt and Jpuff!

(Sure, Pika is the mascott of Pokemon. . . but Toad is also one of the 5 mascotts for mario so. . . .)
All right then, I declare a truce. We both agree that there are strong points proving and disproving Toad's appearence in Brawl as something other then a trophy or sticker. Now that that is cleared up, Paper Mario and Bowser Jr. for Brawl!
 

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Oh, what a load of crap. SMRPG was just as much a hit as Mother 2, if not moreso.
Geno is owned by a third party company though, so that puts a huge dint in his chances plus he's part of a huge franchise where he holds little importance so that also would be a blow to his chances.
A few pages back somebody said that Smash was purely for fan service will they please explain Pichu, Roy, Dr Mario, Ice Climbers and Mr Game and Watch.

I would rather have Dr. Mario then GENO...
I despise Geno because he is a stupid lame overrated little puppet but still he would be better than Dr Mario.

Paper Mario is just Mario. I don't want more than one of the same character. =_=
Let's forget the fact that he would have a completly unique and fun moveset and be great representation for the wildley popular Paper Mario spin off series (still part of the mario series but also different).

Dr. Mario was an unneeded clone, added purely out of time constraints, and will likely be removed in Brawl.
Time Constraints? He was added in at the last minute but only because they had spare time and they could have added 6 clones or one unique character, they probably thought the people would appreciate six characters more than one.
Seriously, people, think about the situation here. No, there aren't many more crucial Mario characters - if we get ANY more, it will undoubtably be either Toad or Geno. Toad deserves it the most, and Geno has the most fan support (one of the most-requested characters of all, FYI).
Toad is a move and Geno is third party. Paper Mario has his own mini series and don't mention the poll that's just BS it also had Link's Uncle and Blue Virus so it doesn't mean **** all.

I don't think Geno does either. I beleive he's only been in one game (but I'm not sure..)
He's been in one game as a sidekick and second game as a minor cameo.
Confirmed Mario reps:
Mario, Peach, Yoshi, Bowser, DK, Diddy
You have to be some sort of ****** to think that Diddy is in any stretch of the imagination a Mario character.

I'm expecting:
Bowser Jr., Luigi, possibly Waluigi
Waluigi doesn't stand any chance.

How is a possessed Doll that can shoot lasers and summon light energies from the heavens not a cool character?
Because he's overrated and boring.
 

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I agree completely with you on Geno.

And I guess I should stop posting about Iggy. But if Geno makes it in favor of Iggy, I will angrily shake my fist!

Finally, here's a good Mario representative: King Boo!
 

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I agree completely with you on Geno.

And I guess I should stop posting about Iggy. But if Geno makes it in favor of Iggy, I will angrily shake my fist!

Finally, here's a good Mario representative: King Boo!
Your joking, right?



...Actually I didn't know Geno had enough support that haters came in complaining about the support so maybe Geno does have more of a chance than I thought...
 

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First up, this isn't Marvel vs. Capcom 2. Secondly, the fact that Peach still has her B move is exactly what serves as indication that he won't be in. Thirdly, there is multiple "stand-out characters." Lastly, I do apologize for me making your first post not go so well. I'm not a fan of Toad
First of all, I'm well-aware that this game is not Marvel vs. Capcom 2. Now, tell me how that weakens my point in *any* way, please. You can't, because it doesn't. The fact that Toad is used for only ONE move by Peach does not, in any way, disqualify him from being a playable character. If you believe it does, you definitely need to explain why because I don't see the reason for making such an asinine claim. I've already given you an example of a fighting game where a playable character somehow managed to comprise a significant part of another character's moveset.

Seriously, you have to formulate a stronger argument than that. Your entire post is pretty much, "Well, nuh-uh, Peach has Toad LALALALA I CAN'T SEE YOUR POST."

Edit: Oh, I just now noticed your post where you acknowledged that Toad isn't necessarily barred from becoming playable. Feel free to ignore or reply to this post, then. >_>
 

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Let's forget the fact that he would have a completly unique and fun moveset and be great representation for the wildley popular Paper Mario spin off series (still part of the mario series but also different).
Yes, do forget about the moves. Moves are not what makes a character worthy of being in SSB - anyone could have a "unique and fun moveset", all it takes is some imagination, and we know Sakurai & co have plenty. The moves are there to facilitate the character's playability, not as a reason for them to be playable.

And no, Paper Mario is not a spin-off series in the least. Its just Mario in RPG form with a different graphical style. It stars the same characters and deals with the same type of scenarios, and thus is a part of the series proper. Saying it is a separate or spin-off series is like saying that Zelda 2: Adventure of Link is a spin-off because it was an RPG, or Super Mario RPG is such. Its already represented, because its main characters, Mario, Peach, and Bowser, are in - it doesn't need another Mario using a different graphics style to do that.

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