People, there WILL be more Mario reps

[Burning Soul]

And argueably Mario had nothing to do with SMRPG. Really, all he did was fight, and add in some fun humor. Bowser and Peach did little, and the game was about the search for the Star Pieces, and the quest leading to the final fight with Smitty. Without Geno, we wouldn't have awsomely overpowered characters in RPGs as we know and love them. And that smells disaster.

Johnknight speaks truth. SMRPG is one of the greatest games for the SNES. Paper mario wishes its as good of an rpg. The sad part is that it isnt, the story isnt nearly as compelling. Which leads me to the off-topic "We want more mother characters" statement ahead.

We want more mother characters. At least put in claus....

please?

 

[Magnacor]

In response to what Johnknight1 said (I know it he said it wasn't directed towards me but people will hate me for it and my already low reputation will go down) I'd like to say when I said it wasn't that awful, I wasn't saying that I thought it was only a little awful but rather, that it wasn't as bad as people think it was. I was, however, implying that it was easy and you would eventually tire of playing level's with similar makeup's.

P.S. Mario really wasn't the main character in Super Mario RPG? Strange.

 

[Black/Light]

You are a tad obsesive too, in my opinion.

. . . coming from the person pointing out tiny typos?

You spelled stupid wrong and you forgot a the apostrophe in there's. Anyways, I never said you were stupid for saying there's more then one Toad, just for saying him being a move doesn't lower his chances in Brawl.


OMG a typo! :O (Had you read to the end you would see it spelled correctly)
I said that my reason for not thinking said attack "lowers his chances" was because theres a whole race of them. You have yet to explain to me why I should think otherwise. . .


Zelda could use magic (But she never actually used magic as a attack) and Sheik was a ninja. (A Ninja that never did anything) It couldn't be hard to come up with moves far magician and a ninja. G&W was cartoony enough to do anything and get away with it. (W/e homs. That thing never did anything rumotely like fighting) Peach did have a parasol and turnips if I'm not mistaken but her B and B side seemed to have been added because they couldn't think of anything else. Last I checked she didn't have a super powerful kick in the other games. Fox and Falco lived in a hi-tech universe where technology was abundant. Again, some of their B-moves seemed to be tacked on when they couldn't think of anything else. (They made up things for them because they had never been out-side of their ships to fight. . .which was my point. And given your logic Toad SHOULD know how to fight already. I mean, some Toads actually protect Peach and THE Toad was playable in SM3 so theres the stats for him (Crappy jumper but fast and powerful. . .most likely light))


Jpuff was popular in Japan. (Also the 2nd most popular in the US but still one of many. And I already showed you how popular Toad is) Pikachu is the 1st gen mascot. (Pika is the mascot of the whole series but still, one of many) PT's Pokemon are generic, but PT is meant to represent all the trainers in the pokemon world. (What? He reps the player of the game. Ya know, that main character) His Pokemon were added because he couldn't fight on his own. (But they are still one of many in they breed.) Yoshi is important to the Mario series. (Toad is too homs. And again, Yoshi is one of many) Again, Toad is generic but I don't think Sakurai would put a character as a move. (???) That is only my opinion but mine is just as good as your's. (Than why do you call me "stupid" for not thinking that one Toad from a whole race of Toads being Peach's B move does not lower the likely hood of Toad being playable? WTH is up with the name calling and lables? If your opinion is as good as mine and mime as good as your's than would you explain to me why your lableing me based on my opinion? If I said right now that you a ret*rded-s_it faced troll for thinking that a random Toad in Peach's B move makes Toad less likely would I be justified in any way for calling you that because of your opinion?)

Sorry, I already made "You can't... on a forum." joke in hear form.
(And Im pointing out that you yourself use that manner of typing.)

If your not going to clearly state why you seem to feel that your opinions are better than mine (which I say because of your feelings of justification in calling me "stupid" and a "fanboy" in respects to my opinions on the matter) than I would have to ask for this to stop.

I have shown you that Toad is massively popular/ wouldn't be the first character to have a move-set made up for it/ wouldn't be the first character to be one in breed and that because it has a breed the one Peach is holding could just be a random Toad. If your just going to keep trying to use those same reasons (without grasping at strews to half-way explain them) than this will go no where.

Peace.:mushroom::mushroom::mushroom:

 

[Magnacor]

All right I'll give it one last shot before I give up on this. I pointed out the typo's because you asked how you were stupid. It was a little joke, not a very funny one but... I'm not ususally quite that picky. On the subject of your reply to my post about Fox's moveste, Toad does not live in a world filled with high tech gadgets and it would be harder to come up with a moveset for him. When you said I called you stupid, I never directly called you stupid. I said that if you beleived that Toad's being a move doesn't hurt his chances in Brawl you were stupid. If you agree that Toad's chances are hurt by him being a move, then I will gladly make a post about how you are a fully educated, Human being with a logical mind.

" If your not going to clearly state why you seem to feel that your opinions are better than mine (which I say because of your feelings of justification in calling me "stupid" and a "fanboy" in respects to my opinions on the matter) than I would have to ask for this to stop."

Hmm... I seem to remember me saying something along the lines of "That is only my opinion but mine is just as good as your's" I suppose I could be mistaken.

Lastly, I would like to rstate the fact that i do not want to post more "Toad War" posts like this one. I have already stated that it is fully possible that Toad is in Brawl and do not want to make another post saying why. Now let's start a fresh war. Any one up for losing a debate in the subject of Paper Mario or Bowser Jr.?

 

[xianfeng]

He was not a Sidekick...what is wrong with you? TOAD WAS A SIDEKICK IN SMRPG. You could not play as Toad, and he just came in during certain parts of the game and helped you out, but was always to afraid to do anything. Geno was a MAJOR playable character.

He wasn't the main character, a Main character sure, but still sort of a major sidekick.

and you also think a character that is essentially a GOD watching over Mario's whole universe is minor to the franchise...ok...just making sure.

No I explained this before, anything that happens in one game is not canon for the whole series, Nintendo doesn't know how to make a consistant story.

By the way...you said you did not know who solid snake was before he was confirmed...and you are a gamer? are you like F****** 9 years old?

Not a "hardcore" gamer, but you seen when my brother sold the Family's 64 for a Playstation, I was never allowed to play it and the NES was out before I was born.

EDIT: no...you are 14...just looked it up. So when Mario RPG came out you were 3 years old.....great that you can say you don't want a certain character in when all you are basing him on is most likely 20 min fiddling with a crappy ROM and a JPEG image of the character.

Mario RPG was even released where I lived, and my ROM is not crappy and I've spent more than 20 minutes fiddling around on it, I've played the whole **** game, it was ok but I prefer Paper Mario.

The title of the game is just a selling point...More people are familar with the name Mario, hence it would sell more games...

That and the fact that Mario is the main character.

Thank you.....People are so stupid it really is unbelievable. Super Mario RPG....literally, LITERALLY LISTEN CLOSELY everyone that uses the "MARIO" RPG excuse....it had NOTHING to do with Mario. The game was based ENTIRELY upon the star road, Smithy, and Geno. Mario was thrown into it by accident and had nothing to do with the storyline WHAT-SO-EVER

Well Mario plays a MASSIVE role in the game, none of that would have ever happened if he hadn't gone to save Peach (again) and then went to save Peach (again) after she was blasted out of the tower, Geno does add to the story a bit (well a lot) yeah but so does Mallow (not so much but still...)

It is definitely this new generation of gamers that don't even care about where their favorite games came from. They just hop into the new age systems and act like the only cool characters are ones they played with in the last like 5 years....so f****** annoying

My favourite games are Donkey Kong Country and Donkey Kong Country 2.

He's the guardian of the star road...The protector, more powerful than any being in the mario universe that brings order to the Mushroom Kingdom...Without Geno's influence, chaos and evil would reign over all...

In one game he does that, THERE IS NO CONSISTANT MARIO TIMELINE OR STORYLINE.

Plus his kind are all throughout Paper Mario

But he isn't, I think that says something.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

There will be at least consistancy in Smash if Geno is returned...Besides, Star Beings...Geno's kind, exist in Paper Mario

 

[Burning Soul]

@xianfeng

Major sidekick?

Mario was simply a help in geno's quest. Mario just happened to be the main character for the sake of it being a mario game. Mario doesn't even talk, and the main plot-line has nothing to do with him.

 

[Black/Light]

All right I'll give it one last shot before I give up on this.

A shot at what? Your not making much sense. . .

I pointed out the typo's because you asked how you were stupid. It was a little joke, not a very funny one but... I'm not ususally quite that picky.

. . .yes, a very un-funny thing to do.

On the subject of your reply to my post about Fox's moveste, Toad does not live in a world filled with high tech gadgets and it would be harder to come up with a moveset for him.

No, he lives in a world full of magic and cartoonish violence where a fat plummer (who never actually "plums") can become the size of a house after eating a mushroom or throw balls of fire after touching a plant.
Fox has 2 tech moves (Blaster and reflector), everything else was made up.

When you said I called you stupid, I never directly called you stupid. I said that if you beleived that Toad's being a move doesn't hurt his chances in Brawl you were stupid.

Wow, huge difference there. If I don't think that the fictional "chances" of Toad getting in are effected by Peach's B than Im stupid? The only real "changes" I believe in are 50/50. Either a character is a PC or not. By no means do I think the likely hood of Toad getting in is effected because Sakurai choose to keep Peach's move-set from melee. If Sakurai wants Toad in than he will be in. . . he is in no way forced to alter another character because of Toad.

Well, I guess I can call you stupid for thinking that Peach keeping her move-set makes the likely hood of another character become less...or that it's "harder" to make a move-set for Toad because his world isn't super techish.

If you agree that Toad's chances are hurt by him being a move, then I will gladly make a post about how you are a fully educated, Human being with a logical mind.

I will do the same if you argee with the above.

Hmm... I seem to remember me saying something along the lines of "That is only my opinion but mine is just as good as your's" I suppose I could be mistaken.

I think you don't know what that means. You openly say that Im "stupid" if I don't agree with your opinion yet your opinions are as "good" as mine (and mine as good as your's).

I will say it than. . . Your opinions are no better than mine so don't go around calling names if I don't agree with your opinions.

lastly, I would like to rstate the fact that i do not want to post more "Toad War" posts like this one.

What "Toad war"? We are the only ones talking about Toad. . .

I have already stated that it is fully possible that Toad is in Brawl and do not want to make another post saying why.

And I already said that I know that he may or may not be a PC. I take it that this entire thing was because I don't agree with your opinions about his likely hood of being a PC. . . and I take it that you have nothing other than the same-old-same-old reasons.

Like I said, this isn't going anywhere at this point and it's useless to keep going over the same things. . .

With that i say "Toad for brawl" and peace.:mushroom:

 

[Johnknight1]

In response to what Johnknight1 said (I know it he said it wasn't directed towards me but people will hate me for it and my already low reputation will go down) I'd like to say when I said it wasn't that awful, I wasn't saying that I thought it was only a little awful but rather, that it wasn't as bad as people think it was. I was, however, implying that it was easy and you would eventually tire of playing level's with similar makeup's.

P.S. Mario really wasn't the main character in Super Mario RPG? Strange.

Sure Sunshine wasn't SM64, but it was still good. It had diverse levels, just not as diverse as SM64's, or near as many. But at least it was somewat challenging at times, and at times harder then SM64. The real problem with Sunshine is that you play in the same levels far too often. Other then that, the game is great. Great pyhsics, great FLUDD control, great gameplay, and really great graphical effeects [aka lighting effects]. It was just a good, clean, fun game.

Ya, Mario was like the main character until he got the 3rd [of 7] star pieces, in which afterwards he and Mallow talked with Geno, and they decieded to help Geno on his quest for the 7 star pieces. So most of the game Geno is the main part of ths story.

*Warning: none of this is aimed at the person I'm quoting, AT ALL! Exactly 0% is aimed at the person I quoted above* And for God's sake, ACTUALLY PLAY Super Mario RPG before SAYING Mario was the main character in Super Mario RPG.

Anyways, Paper Mario was good, but it wasn't Super Mario RPG. SMRPG simply had a better battle system, flat out. The down side of PM is that you can't level your partners, and having only 1 to 2 characters out at a time at the maximum is kinda lame. C'mon, at least have 3. And no Geno or Mallow=failure.

The only bad part about SMRPG was Luigi wasn't playable. But other then that, it was a good game. If there ever is a SMRPG 2, all the party members need to return, along withg Luigi. [maybe Wario and Waluigi] Definitely.

As for the Mother character >>> NESS!

 

[adumbrodeus]

and you also think a character that is essentially a GOD watching over Mario's whole universe is minor to the franchise...ok...just making sure..

Uhhhh, yeah, pretty much.

A character's importance to the franchise is based on perception of the players, which directly correlates with screen time as a major character. Due to the fact that deities are rarely referenced, they tend not to be considered important to franchises (otherwise the Tri-force deities would be a shoe-in, they were mentioned quite prominently in multiple Zelda games, just they never had screen time).


Not that I disagree with Geno, I sort of never played through SMRPG cause the cart I ended up with was defective, so I really don't know. I just had to mention that this point, being a deity does not make you an important character, generally deities are flavorful, but useless, backstory.

 

[automirage04]

I don't mind having more Mario reps, as long as they make sense.

Baby Bowser: I could handle

Geno: Total waste of a character

Waluigi: Even worse

Boo: Whatever

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I don't mind having more Mario reps, as long as they make sense.

Baby Bowser: I could handle

Geno: Total waste of a character

Waluigi: Even worse

Boo: Whatever

Geno is an awesome character, why the hell is he a waste of a chracter space when he is so unique?

 

[raphtmarqui]

The fact is that Geno has a better chance than any of the other Mario characters, really.

 

[Shuma]

Not really, Bowser Jr. has a bigger chance, he is a main villain, Bowser's son and he is not third party.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Not really, Bowser Jr. has a bigger chance, he is a main villain, Bowser's son and he is not third party.

However, Bowser Jr wasn't even on the poll

 

[Sculelos]

I never really thought about other Mario characters but if their going to add someone then I guess Geno is really one of the best choices. Other then that they would have to go into other obscure characters like for example Rawk Hawk he was awesome but having a Paper Mario character without Paper Mario would be weird and turning him 3d could be done but might be a little strange as well.

So overall the only new Mario character I would support is Geno and I barley know anything about him, but it seems like it would make a lot of people happy, so whatever.

 

[raphtmarqui]

Bowser Jr. has a bigger chance, he is a main villain, Bowser's son and he is not third party.

Yea, i guess thats tru. But i wonder if the team even wants another Mario villain since Bowser is already in it.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Wart would be a much better villain choice but he doesn't really have that good of a chance

 

[the_Capt_Falcon_Master]

just asking, wart was only in one game right?

edit: or 2 if you count the gba version

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

just asking, wart was only in one game right?

edit: or 2 if you count the gba version

So what? The only important characters in nintendo history are the characters they bring back over and over again, which gets repeditive...?

Wart would be an awesome villain and deserves to finally get his revenge against that acuresed plumber for ending his evil reign over Subcon

 

[SonicMario]

But'd he have to jump out of Mario's head, Super Mario Bros. 2 was only a Dream. (of course the Birdo and Shy Guy species can be exceptions >_>)

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

But'd he have to jump out of Mario's head, Super Mario Bros. 2 was only a Dream. (of course the Birdo and Shy Guy species can be exceptions >_>)

...Not really, it existed in the Dream World of Subcon...

Inter-dimensional travel is not that uncommon in Video Games, it wouldn't be that hard for Wart to figure out a way out of Subcon

 

[xianfeng]

However, Bowser Jr wasn't even on the poll

However Link's Uncle was which makes him a shoe in.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

However Link's Uncle was which makes him a shoe in.

He only had 1 vote...


Anyway how do you know he won't be in the game in some form?

 

[xianfeng]

Well with stickers anything except Captain N is possible.

 

[the_Capt_Falcon_Master]

sorry for the misunderstanding guys i was just wondering if wart had appeared in any other games (nothing to do with a brawl appearence, just curious)

 

[Magnacor]

I think that Geno and Bowser Jr. have about the same chance. In my opinion, Bowser Jr. would better represent the Mario franchise him having been in more games, especially the newer ones, but Geno is way more popular and Nintendo does have to think about it's fans.

 

[xianfeng]

But Bowser Jr is first party, where as Geno is third, giving Bowser Jr the upper hand.

 

[Magnacor]

But Bowser Jr is first party, where as Geno is third, giving Bowser Jr the upper hand.

Wouldn't Geno be like, second party or something, seeing as how he appeared in a Mario game? I think that it would be easier to get him then most other 3rd party characters. Oh and, for the record, I'd prefer Bowser Jr. over any other Mario rep.

 

[Kirby knight]

I think that Geno and Bowser Jr. have about the same chance. In my opinion, Bowser Jr. would better represent the Mario franchise him having been in more games, especially the newer ones, but Geno is way more popular and Nintendo does have to think about it's fans.

Even though Geno is more popular his has the big *** "3rd Party" stamp on his face. SE could just decide to bring up Cloud for inclusion instead of Geno. I guess it really depends on SE and Nintendo relations.

Wouldn't Geno be like, second party or something, seeing as how he appeared in a Mario game? I think that it would be easier to get him then most other 3rd party characters. Oh and, for the record, I'd prefer Bowser Jr. over any other Mario rep.

Geno's still 3rd Party and his apperances in those games (barring SMRPG) were cameo's he didn't really play a major role in those games.(at least I think he didn't play a major role).

-Knight

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Even though Geno is more popular his has the big *** "3rd Party" stamp on his face. SE could just decide to bring up Cloud for inclusion instead of Geno. I guess it really depends on SE and Nintendo relations.

Geno's still 3rd Party and his apperances in those games (barring SMRPG) were cameo's he didn't really play a major role in those games.(at least I think he didn't play a major role).

-Knight

Cloud is NOT going to be in Brawl, I can assure you that.

Geno has a good chance. I'm pretty sure he's going to be the pick if ANYONE from Square gets into Brawl. His chances aren't that bad and Sakurai does consider him a Mario character...he still has to get permission from Square...but still...

 

[pwnzorz]

8.)Paratroopa FTW.
9.)Geno I Guess.. (ive nevar played Mario RPG "commence the stoning")

No Paper Mario, we don't need another clone (like his moves wouldn't clone).
besides
8-bit Mario>Paper Mario

 

[xianfeng]

pwnzorz you haven't played Paper Mario so you wouldn't know.

 

[Black/Light]

However, Bowser Jr wasn't even on the poll

. . .So?

I say (once again) Toad and Browser Jr are the most likely IMO.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

. . .So?

I say (once again) Toad and Browser Jr are the most likely IMO.

Geno is more likely than either of those two...

 

[Black/Light]

Geno is more likely than either of those two...

Thats YOUR opinion.
I don't put "IMO" after things to just be funny homs...

 

[xianfeng]

Geno is more likely than either of those two...

Where are your sources please and if you say the poll I will rip your head off and drink your blood.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Where are your sources please and if you say the poll I will rip your head off and drink your blood.

Can you give sources he doesn't? ACTUAL sources? ...no one can either way...other than the poll

 

[Black/Light]

Can you give sources he doesn't? ACTUAL sources? ...no one can either way...other than the poll

. . .He isn't the one claiming he has more or less "chances", YOU are. The person claiming something is the one who has to prove their claims.

And AGAIN, that brawl poll was only replying to the post for w/e character and not the actual character in most cases. If you made a outstanding post for. . . Links Uncil for example he would reply to it.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

. . .He isn't the one claiming he has more or less "chances", YOU are. The person claiming something is the one who has to prove their claims.

And AGAIN, that brawl poll was only replying to the post for w/e character and not the actual character in most cases. If you made a outstanding post for. . . Links Uncil for example he would reply to it.

I wasn't replying to you