People, there WILL be more Mario reps

[Brawlmatt202]

I personally want to see toad in the most, but his chances of getting in are EXTREMELY slim now that Peach's use of her "Toad" move returns...

I'd also like to see Geno and Waluigi if possible. Bowser Jr. would also be okay, but I don't care either way.

 

[EPX2]

Ugh.

People, people, when will you learn: Peach's Toad move =/= any indication as to Toad's chances of becoming playable.

*sigh*

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Ugh.

People, people, when will you learn: Peach's Toad move =/= any indication as to Toad's chances of becoming playable.

*sigh*

Yes, it lowers his chances in the least because these chances in the first place aren't based on any real evidence...For all we know Waluigi could get in but his chance of getting in is considered low

 

[Pokebrawl]

Yeah, it lower's Toads chances but that isn't the Toad. Isn't Toad like a race, similar to the human race or Goomas?

 

[EPX2]

Yes, it lowers his chances in the least because these chances in the first place aren't based on any real evidence...For all we know Waluigi could get in but his chance of getting in is considered low

So, basically what you're saying: his chances are lowered, even though there's no way to determine this since we're not basing that conclusion through any specific data.

dotdotdot

Anyone else see the glaring contradiction here?

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

So, basically what you're saying: his chances are lowered, even though there's no way to determine this since we're not basing that conclusion through any specific data.

dotdotdot

Anyone else see the glaring contradiction here?

Chances are based on assumption only and since Peach uses Toad as her attack, it is assumed by many that he will not appear so it lowered his chances....

...that is not contradiction

 

[EPX2]

Chances are based on assumption only and since Peach uses Toad as her attack, it is assumed by many that he will not appear so it lowered his chances....

...that is not contradiction

The contradiction being that you pretty much said there's no real way to measure a character's chances, yet you somehow are able to measure a decrease in said character's chances.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

The contradiction being that you pretty much said there's no real way to measure a character's chances, yet you somehow are able to measure a decrease in said character's chances.

The chances are strictly based on general consensus


You know if you really want to get into it...There really is no way to tell if anything in life is true in the first place...Everything in your reality is your perception which is based on assumptions...

EVERYTHING is based on assumptions, so these chances exist in the form they are and the variables written to determine the chances of the character are as good as anything

 

[Black/Light]

All right then, I declare a truce. We both agree that there are strong points proving and disproving Toad's appearence in Brawl as something other then a trophy or sticker. Now that that is cleared up, Paper Mario and Bowser Jr. for Brawl!

Strong points "disproving" Toad's appearance???

I haven't heard any. . .

 

[EPX2]

The chances are strictly based on general consensus


You know if you really want to get into it...There really is no way to tell if anything in life is true in the first place...Everything in your reality is your perception which is based on assumptions...

EVERYTHING is based on assumptions, so these chances exist in the form they are and the variables written to determine the chances of the character are as good as anything

Yeah, general consensus which is arrived at by looking at *relevant* factors. If you want to argue about something that actually is relevant to whether or not a character will appear, such as popularity and significance to their franchise, then you can, but to suggest that because a character makes an appearance as part of another character's moveset, they will not receive a playable position is ridiculous.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Yeah, general consensus which is arrived at by looking at *relevant* factors. If you want to argue about something that actually is relevant to whether or not a character will appear, such as popularity and significance to their franchise, then you can, but to suggest that because a character makes an appearance as part of another character's moveset, they will not receive a playable position is ridiculous.

NOTHING is a relative factor except what Sakurai wants to put in...which, unless you are Sakurai, you have no evidence for ANY character either way.

Since Toad is already in the game in some form, expecially participating in Battle, his chances as a lone, playable character are smaller...

 

[Black/Light]

Chances are based on assumption only and since Peach uses Toad as her attack, it is assumed by many that he will not appear so it lowered his chances....

...that is not contradiction

2x post*

"Chances"? I just love how people say "chances" as if we know anything about whats happening in brawl in such a respect or have any idea f what "rules" the dev go by. Either Toad is a PC or a NPC. . . 50/50. His likely hood of appearing as either is in no way effected by anything at this point (2 months before Brawl comes out).

His likely hood of being a PC hasn't changed, it's your opinion on his likely hood of being a PC that has changed with w/e events of resent times. So please, lets call "chances" what they are which are just personal opinions on the likely hood of something happening. The way you all like to toss the word around makes it sound like we somehow know what the devs have in mind when they are thinking of characters.

(Like Sakurai said at anytime "Nayyyyy, I don't think there should be a character in that appears in another move-set in some from a character that keeps most of her old moves.")

 

[EPX2]

NOTHING is a relative factor except what Sakurai wants to put in...which, unless you are Sakurai, you have no evidence for ANY character either way.

Since Toad is already in the game in some form, expecially participating in Battle, his chances as a lone, playable character are smaller...

Okay, fair enough. So, if it's apparently illogical for me to use popularity and significance as a way of determining a character's chances... why is it acceptable for you and anyone else to use a character's appearance in another's moveset as evidence suggesting that they will not turn up in the game as a playable character? I've already shown why this is an illogical thought process numerous times, yet it seems like you keep ignoring that.

 

[Deleted member]

Geno is better than Bowser Jr., Paper Mario and Toad combined. He has a great chance but just 'cause he is a 3rd party and is one of the top 10 most requested means that he won't be in it? Or that those 3 have a better chance than him?

I thought he was 2nd Party though IIRC.

If Geno is in, he should have his own logo. ^^

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Okay, fair enough. So, if it's apparently illogical for me to use popularity and significance as a way of determining a character's chances... why is it acceptable for you and anyone else to use a character's appearance in another's moveset as evidence suggesting that they will not turn up in the game as a playable character? I've already shown why this is an illogical thought process numerous times, yet it seems like you keep ignoring that.

Because we have nothing else to discuss other than how cool we think some characters are and how stupid others are so a bunch of boards people decided to come together and create a chance chart for characters, primarily based on their own bias on what they think are popular and stuff

 

[Magnacor]

First of all, I'm well-aware that this game is not Marvel vs. Capcom 2. Now, tell me how that weakens my point in *any* way, please. You can't, because it doesn't. The fact that Toad is used for only ONE move by Peach does not, in any way, disqualify him from being a playable character. If you believe it does, you definitely need to explain why because I don't see the reason for making such an asinine claim. I've already given you an example of a fighting game where a playable character somehow managed to comprise a significant part of another character's moveset.

Seriously, you have to formulate a stronger argument than that. Your entire post is pretty much, "Well, nuh-uh, Peach has Toad LALALALA I CAN'T SEE YOUR POST."

Edit: Oh, I just now noticed your post where you acknowledged that Toad isn't necessarily barred from becoming playable. Feel free to ignore or reply to this post, then. >_>

Congrats on finding holes in my post. I underestimated your debating skills because it was your first post and I ended up looking like an idiot. I still believe that Toad has little chance of making it in Brawl but with Sakurai you can never know.

Strong points "disproving" Toad's appearance???

I haven't heard any. . .

Normally I would make some snappy pun about how you can't hear anything on a message board, but you obviosly have trouble reading as well because you seem to have missed all my posts. I know you are a Toad fanboy and will probably will disreguard this message but I'll try reasoning anyway. Toad being an attack does lower his chances of being in Brawl. They might not be completly diminished but you are stupid to deny that they will not be effected at all. Toad hasn't shown much sign of a plausible moveset and although Saukurai could probably make one up, you again cannot deny this hurts his chances. Lastly, Toad is a generic character so having one as a playable character would be similar to adding a Koopa. Again, I would like to point out that I have already said all of this and have come to an agreement that it is not entirely out of the question for Toad to be in Brawl.

 

[Ferro De Lupe]

I just thought of something...

What is Mr. L gets in instead of Luigi...

Think about it.

Great way to differenciate between Mario/Luigi even more than they already are.
Represents Paper Mario franchise without it being "another Mario".
Guaranteed unique moveset (just take some of PM's moves from all three games.) [Brobot as a Final Smash!]
Luigi still gets in (and without that stupid vaccum too!)
Ups the villian count.

I'm not saying it will happen (I'm not even saying it's likely), but it is something that I'm sure no one has taken into consideration. And I certainly wouldn't mind...

 

[Gordie123]

wow....

This kid Xanfeng is F****** annoying.

Just to let you know something....paper Mario would not exist if SMRPG was not made.

"HE WAS A MINOR CHARACTER WAHHHH!"

Geno was the underlying main character of SMRPG...the WHOLE ENTIRE ENDING CINEMATIC solely revolves around HIM.

Stop being such a little S*** and realize that he was heavily requested and has a 300 times better chance than a **** cloneable character that would not even exist if Geno did not have his game.


.....

 

[xianfeng]

I never said he was a minor character in SMRPG, I said he was a sidekick in that game and minor in the mario franchise, both of which are true.

And no third party character has a 300x better chance than Paper Mario, except of course Snake who is confirmed. Geno's chances aren't that stellar, they are average at best you Geno fanboys need to stop overestimating it.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I never said he was a minor character in SMRPG, I said he was a sidekick in that game and minor in the mario franchise, both of which are true.

And no third party character has a 300x better chance than Paper Mario, except of course Snake who is confirmed. Geno's chances aren't that stellar, they are average at best you Geno fanboys need to stop overestimating it.

He's as much a side kick to Mario as Gandalf was to Frodo

 

[vesperview]

I never said he was a minor character in SMRPG, I said he was a sidekick in that game and minor in the mario franchise, both of which are true.

And no third party character has a 300x better chance than Paper Mario, except of course Snake who is confirmed. Geno's chances aren't that stellar, they are average at best you Geno fanboys need to stop overestimating it.

You wouldn't say Snake has better chances than paper mario if he wasn't confirmed, and Geno has more chances of making it than Paper Mario.

 

[xianfeng]

You wouldn't say Snake has better chances than paper mario if he wasn't confirmed, and Geno has more chances of making it than Paper Mario.

I had no idea who snake was until he was confirmed in Brawl so I would have no opinion on his inclusion and don't say that Geno has more of a chance of making it than Paper Mario as if it were a fact.

 

[Black/Light]

Normally I would make some snappy pun about how you can't hear anything on a message board, but you obviosly have trouble reading as well because you seem to have missed all my posts.

Trouble reading? I beg to differ. I said I have seen no good reasons as for him not to be in. . . .how ever "good" you think your reasons are=/= how I see things homs.

I know you are a Toad fanboy and will probably will disreguard this message but I'll try reasoning anyway.

So now Im a "fanboy" just because I support a character and dissargee with your thoughts on said character?

Toad being an attack does lower his chances of being in Brawl. They might not be completly diminished but you are stupid to deny that they will not be effected at all.

"Stupid"? How am I "studip" for thinking that theres more than one Toad when there IS more than one Toad?

Toad hasn't shown much sign of a plausible moveset and although Saukurai could probably make one up, you again cannot deny this hurts his chances.

Zelda/ Shiek/ Peach/ G&W/ Fox/ Falco never actually had "move-sets" for fighting in their games. (Don't care if Fox/Falco where in the space animal arny or w/e, they never actually did anything other that fly in their games)

The move-set arguement is completely moot homs. W/e move-set a character has will be completely up to the devs and not just based on what we all think a character can and can not do.

Lastly, Toad is a generic character so having one as a playable character would be similar to adding a Koopa.

OOORRRR it would be similar to having Jpuff, Pika, PT's pokemon or Yoshi. . . .theres more than one of them to. And it's funny. . . .you say that Toad is "generic" yet you can't seem to see Peach's attack being only one of the many Toads.

Again, I would like to point out that I have already said all of this and have come to an agreement that it is not entirely out of the question for Toad to be in Brawl.

"Said"?!?!? You can't "say" anything on a forum.
And again, I know all your "points" and I just don't argee with them.

"It's a race of people " every pokemon comfirmed for the game are from whole breeds of pokemon and Yoshi is also from a species called "Yoshi" much like how Toad's race is called "Toad".

"It can't fight/ doesn't have a possible move-set from it's games" Sakurai has already given move-sets to characters that never actually did anything hand-to-hand in their games. (and here http://www.nintendo.co.jp/wii/rmgj/prologue/index03.html Toad guards are in this vid)

"Peach has Toad as her B move" If theres a whole race of them than why does Peach having one of them mean there can't be one as playable? Her move-set was completely made up and oringenal so I wouldn't think that it's likely for them to completely change it with or with out Toad being a PC.

Again, I don't argee with your reasons. I know Toad could be a NP or a PC but by no means do I think that your "logic" on this matter is correct enuff/ solid enuff to argee with.

If you choose to reply than I would appreachiate it if you reframed from calling me "stupid" of "a Toad fanboy" because I don't argee with your logic/ reasons for think the way you do. Name calling is a sign of a weak arguement just to let you know.

 

[Daphnes]

I did find it wierd that there were four Mario stages, but not one Fire Emblem stage.

I don't mind if there are several Mario reps, but put equal effort into other characters.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I want Mario Galaxy now...looks like a GOOD Mario game...about time

 

[Kooichi]

Toad and Geno for Brawl! :D

 

[raphtmarqui]

I want Mario Galaxy now...looks like a GOOD Mario game...about time

New Super Mario Bros was pretty good. But was Sunshine really THAT disappointing?(I never played it)

 

[Magnacor]

New Super Mario Bros was pretty good. But was Sunshine really THAT disappointing?(I never played it)

It wasn't that awful. It kept you interested for the 3-4 days it took to beat it.

 

[xianfeng]

New Super Mario Bros was pretty good. But was Sunshine really THAT disappointing?(I never played it)

Yes it was, it was horribly easy and the FLUDD was just annoying.

 

[Magnacor]

Here we go again. I don't want to take the time to quote every few sentences you said so I'll just post inside the quote. My posts are white.

Trouble reading? I beg to differ. I said I have seen no good reasons as for him not to be in. . . .how ever "good" you think your reasons are=/= how I see things homs.

If you say so.

So now Im a "fanboy" just because I support a character and dissargee with your thoughts on said character?

You are a tad obsesive too, in my opinion.

"Stupid"? How am I "studip" for thinking that theres more than one Toad when there IS more than one Toad?

You spelled stupid wrong and you forgot a the apostrophe in there's. Anyways, I never said you were stupid for saying there's more then one Toad, just for saying him being a move doesn't lower his chances in Brawl.

Zelda/ Shiek/ Peach/ G&W/ Fox/ Falco never actually had "move-sets" for fighting in their games. (Don't care if Fox/Falco where in the space animal arny or w/e, they never actually did anything other that fly in their games)

The move-set arguement is completely moot homs. W/e move-set a character has will be completely up to the devs and not just based on what we all think a character can and can not do.

Zelda could use magic and Sheik was a ninja. It couldn't be hard to come up with moves far magician and a ninja. G&W was cartoony enough to do anything and get away with it. Peach did have a parasol and turnips if I'm not mistaken but her B and B side seemed to have been added because they couldn't think of anything else. Last I checked she didn't have a super powerful kick in the other games. Fox and Falco lived in a hi-tech universe where technology was abundant. Again, some of their B-moves seemed to be tacked on when they couldn't think of anything else.

OOORRRR it would be similar to having Jpuff, Pika, PT's pokemon or Yoshi. . . .theres more than one of them to. And it's funny. . . .you say that Toad is "generic" yet you can't seem to see Peach's attack being only one of the many Toads.

Jpuff was popular in Japan. Pikachu is the 1st gen mascot. PT's Pokemon are generic, but PT is meant to represent all the trainers in the pokemon world. His Pokemon were added because he couldn't fight on his own. Yoshi is important to the Mario series. Again, Toad is generic but I don't think Sakurai would put a character as a move. That is only my opinion but mine is just as good as your's.

"Said"?!?!? You can't "say" anything on a forum.
And again, I know all your "points" and I just don't argee with them.

Sorry, I already made "You can't... on a forum." joke in hear form.

Again, I don't argee with your reasons. I know Toad could be a NP or a PC but by no means do I think that your "logic" on this matter is correct enuff/ solid enuff to argee with.

If you choose to reply than I would appreachiate it if you reframed from calling me "stupid" of "a Toad fanboy" because I don't argee with your logic/ reasons for think the way you do. Name calling is a sign of a weak arguement just to let you know.

 

[Gordie123]

I never said he was a minor character in SMRPG, I said he was a sidekick in that game and minor in the mario franchise, both of which are true.

He was not a Sidekick...what is wrong with you? TOAD WAS A SIDEKICK IN SMRPG. You could not play as Toad, and he just came in during certain parts of the game and helped you out, but was always to afraid to do anything. Geno was a MAJOR playable character.

and you also think a character that is essentially a GOD watching over Mario's whole universe is minor to the franchise...ok...just making sure.


By the way...you said you did not know who solid snake was before he was confirmed...and you are a gamer? are you like F****** 9 years old?

you automatically fail


EDIT: no...you are 14...just looked it up. So when Mario RPG came out you were 3 years old.....great that you can say you don't want a certain character in when all you are basing him on is most likely 20 min fiddling with a crappy ROM and a JPEG image of the character.

 

[the_Capt_Falcon_Master]

question, was it called "super geno rpg"?

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

question, was it called "super geno rpg"?

The title of the game is just a selling point...More people are familar with the name Mario, hence it would sell more games...

...and the fact it's not refering to Mario the person, but Mario the Nintendo Universe...

 

[Gordie123]

The title of the game is just a selling point...More people are familar with the name Mario, hence it would sell more games...

...and the fact it's not referring to Mario the person, but Mario the Nintendo Universe...

Thank you.....People are so stupid it really is unbelievable. Super Mario RPG....literally, LITERALLY LISTEN CLOSELY everyone that uses the "MARIO" RPG excuse....it had NOTHING to do with Mario. The game was based ENTIRELY upon the star road, Smithy, and Geno. Mario was thrown into it by accident and had nothing to do with the storyline WHAT-SO-EVER

for gods sake

PLAY THE GAME!!!!!!

It is definitely this new generation of gamers that don't even care about where their favorite games came from. They just hop into the new age systems and act like the only cool characters are ones they played with in the last like 5 years....so f****** annoying

 

[Ferro De Lupe]

It is definitely this new generation of gamers that don't even care about where their favorite games came from. They just hop into the new age systems and act like the only cool characters are ones they played with in the last like 5 years....so f****** annoying

**** straight!!!

*Hugs his copies of Golden Axe and Gunstar Heroes*

 

[the_Capt_Falcon_Master]

i would play the game but its not out on the vc....when it comes out i and i pllay it i may change my mind. But for now i stand by my opinion that from what i have heard geno does not have a big enough role in the overall mario universe, and does not deserve to appear in brawl, as a playable character.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

i would play the game but its not out on the vc....when it comes out i and i pllay it i may change my mind. But for now i stand by my opinion that from what i have heard geno does not have a big enough role in the overall mario universe, and does not deserve to appear in brawl, as a playable character.

He's the guardian of the star road...The protector, more powerful than any being in the mario universe that brings order to the Mushroom Kingdom...Without Geno's influence, chaos and evil would reign over all...

Plus his kind are all throughout Paper Mario

 

[AuraLancer]

Geno! He was in my final party for SMRPG, but I don't know if I'd like him in Brawl. Of course what I think doesn't really affect his(its?) chances. It's hard to explain, but I'd accept Geno more based on what other characters made it in.
I was furious when I discovered clones in Melee (especially Pichu) but eventually accepted them. Now I love being Pichu during a non serious match. So I could easily change my mind later anyway.
Please no Waluigi!

 

[Burning Soul]

Im really tired of this paper mario> geno bull****. the fact of the matter is that paper MARIO is a MARIO lookalike. He MAY have the ability to have a different moveset, but who cares?!? If you like paper mario, play mario and use your imagination. Geno is by far one of the most unique characters ever to grace the mario universe's presence. Geno is by far more capable of having a unique moveset. Lets compare:

Paper Mario A Moves:
random punch
random kick
random headbutt
hammer
jump
(all speculation of course)

Geno A Moves
Guns hidden in arms.
Blades hidden in arms.
Shooting your actual forearm as a weapon and retracting it.


Paper Mario B Moves:
Generic paper moves that have appeared in PM, SPM and TYD
(okay, i definitely will admit that paper mario will have cooler moves than i say)

Geno B Moves:
Shooting Energy scythes to cleave through enemies.
Shooting Energy Beams.
Calling beams from the heavens to smite your enemies.
Turning into a cannon to shoot a sun of death at your enemies.
(all speculation)

I think paper mario would be cool, but geno takes precedence. Hes got the cult fanbase, and way more support in japan, where opinions count more unfortunately.

 

[Johnknight1]

It wasn't that awful. It kept you interested for the 3-4 days it took to beat it.

*Warning: None of this is intended at the person who I'm quoting, or anyone is general.*

Sunshine *****, people are just lame when it comes to a pretty much original sequal. Beat it 6 times, same as SM64. I liked SM64 more, but SMS is still a instant classic. And I still play Sunshine. Simply put, it rocked! I'll even argue SM64, SMRPG, and SMB 3 [the best Mario game EVER] are the only better Mario games out there [until Galaxy].. the game was just great fun, and I don't see why people hate it=they fail.

Simply put, no one likes a sequal. Change the formula to something still good, people b***ch. Leave it the same, and everyone b**ches that they want a new game. That is why Majora's Mask flopped next to OOT [though I love MM, I like OOT more], and is proof that n00bs really do exist. The same went with Sunshine, sadly. Some people CLEARLY don't know good games.

On-topic, I'm kinda old fashioned in the belief that I don't think any of the origianl 12 are going to be dropped, and that NO series will lose reps [unless they have only one rep, and they're cut], and will either have the same number of reps, or more. LOZ will have at least 5, and same with Mario. As for Mario characters, we'll get the big 4 [don't even mention Luigi isn't confirmed yet. HE IS IN BRAWL]. and 1 more, at least.

But who=??? Waluigi is a NO, Toad is lame, Birdo is lame, and Wart has no chance. That leaves Bowser Jr. and Geno. I'm hoping more for Geno, but if Bowser Jr. made it over Geno, I wouldn't be TOO UPSET. However, I don't see why not the Mario series get 6 reps, but it could go either way [5 or 6 Mario reps]. People who say the Mario series shouldn't get AT LEAST 5 reps need to look at sales, look at Mario's popularity and reconizability, shut up, and see how much of failures they really are. Seriously.

And argueably Mario had nothing to do with SMRPG. Really, all he did was fight, and add in some fun humor. Bowser and Peach did little, and the game was about the search for the Star Pieces, and the quest leading to the final fight with Smitty. Without Geno, we wouldn't have awsomely overpowered characters in RPGs as we know and love them. And that smells disaster.

Overall this thread wreaks with win!