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And won't he be able to shieldgrab me afterward? Or does jabbing the gordo send it into his shield?
It depends entirely on how you customize your controls. The Wii controller is severely limited so I can't really point out anything specific. I do recommend at least attaching a nunchuk if you're comfortable with the Wii controller, just so you can more easily differentiate between tilts and smashes. Most Wiimote+Nunchuk users also customize their controls to optimize their playstyle, but I can't recall exactly which choices were the best.
Thanks for making it! Those high percent combos look useful to pull off.
Gorgeous. Those combos off of u-air at the end surprised me the most, wow. I hadn't even considered using it like that.
Appreciate your video San, looking forward to seeing you in action! (Great to see you posting on that channel after so long!)
Great video! I can already see a lot of extension possibilities from some of these. Looks really good.
They probably won't work against short characters like Ness and Pikachu.
I recommend trying out bair to approach. Ike's backwards jump dodges projectiles and (fresh) bair is pretty safe on shield if you attack right when you land this time around. You can also just land and turnaround jab, grab, or dtilt or not commit to anything and empty hop. If bair (or any aerial) is very stale, I definitely recommend being a bit more patient.
So short hops and quick jabs. Is Dash->Shield viable?
It's been nerfed, but it gets the job done when needed. It's now more easily punishable when overused, but still a somewhat safe option.
Does it still push Ike off the edge if it was shielded and Ike is like right at the edge? Is it best to use it facing the edge or away?
If you hit someone who is shielded with QD (quick draw), chances are you will be punished. The one thing to note is the height at which the move auto-cancels, which is around the height of a full hop, experiment with it a bit in training. (Jump > QD (charge doesn't matter), hit the ground and react ASAP). Of course, there is always the possibility that it will be nerfed/buffed in an upcoming patch, so look out for that.
Facing the very edge is easier, and you have less lag compared to usmash and eruption with similar reward. 2nd hit of dsmash is still decent for a hard punish, but the first hit of dsmash at the likes of Smashville or Town & City will kill at 70 partially charged against a midweight. Still situational, but at least it's a viable move with good reward for the read.
Smart use of aerials wins out, both against his attacks (outside of zair) and his projectiles. Toon Links also like to jump and cover their landings with air dodge/zair. Our aerials go through boomerang, so we can successfully bait air dodges much more easily. I also think our aerial speed at least matches or exceeds TL's now, so we can control space. For bombs, we can hit them with the edge of our aerials and we won't get hurt. We can also catch and instant toss them (air dodge + throw at the same time). If he continues to roll, just push him towards the corner. If this is wifi, it's tough to punish rolls, so focus on the easy stuff for when he's in the air and when he's landing.
The simplest thing to do would be to change your right analog stick/C-stick to attack and focus on a few solid tools at a time such as aerials and down tilt over smashes. Gotta get a feel for how his quicker moves can help lead into those stronger ones, especially since Ike can still kill fine without smashes. Then you can eventually transfer your general knowledge and skill from playing other characters and watch videos.
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Thanks for the advice man! I wasn't aware that his sword was so great at just eating projectiles. I mean I noticed it, but I thought it was more luck than anything else, really glad you shared this with me!Take it from a guy who mains Ike (or at least tries to), you really have to know this character before you can do well with him. A lot of his attacks do have lag, so you really have to work on reading opponents and picking up patterns. If it makes you feel any better, those are some of the worst MUs for Ike, in my opinion anyways (Fox would also be on that list however). Thing is, those characters are either way faster than Ike, have more range (due to projectiles), and/or hit harder. In the end, your play style is going to be different against each type of character. I'm not really the best guy to take advice from when it comes to specific match ups, but when you're going against them, play defensively. Aggression always gets punished, especially when that aggression has a lot of cool down.
Thanks I think I might try working on that.
I know the learning process would be different for everyone but I'm just curious, how long did it take you to get a good feel of Ike to the point where you were confident in your abilities with him?@
Take it from a guy who mains Ike (or at least tries to), you really have to know this character before you can do well with him. A lot of his attacks do have lag, so you really have to work on reading opponents and picking up patterns. If it makes you feel any better, those are some of the worst MUs for Ike, in my opinion anyways (Fox would also be on that list however). Thing is, those characters are either way faster than Ike, have more range (due to projectiles), and/or hit harder. In the end, your play style is going to be different against each type of character. I'm not really the best guy to take advice from when it comes to specific match ups, but when you're going against them, play defensively. Aggression always gets punished, especially when that aggression has a lot of cool down.
Also, aerials are Ike's strong suit, they come out fast, and all do a fair amount of damage/knockback (excluding Nair which is great for starting combos, whiffing rolls, etc.) Since Fair and Bair autocancel relatively easily, make sure to use them a lot. I personally tend to avoid most of Ike's Smash attacks (aside from Dsmash just because it comes out quick, and I'll use Usmash once in a while). I think his best moves are Jab1, Jab2, Dtilt, Nair, Fair, and most of all, Bair. When you're playing Ike, you have to be thinking ahead. Just play around a bit, you'll get better with the timing/spacing.
I'm a Brawl Ike main and it took me several months to get good with him. Take my advice with a grain of salt since the Wii U version of Ike is pretty different, but I think they're similar in that they're both based off reads and safe play. You really need to understand what kind of delay you're going to have for each move before you decide to throw it out. He's not an easy champ to play by any means.
I see that now, Back in the brawl days I was never too serious with Ike, I liked him but I always felt he was "too slow"
Well I was an "Ike Main" in Brawl, but in all honestly, I really didn't know much about the character or any techniques. I basically spammed quick draw, dash attack and the Fsmash and Usmash. Never played it comp, just with friends, so I thought I was pretty good. (FG proved me very wrong!)
I started using Ike in Brawl after playing Path of Radiance (a few months ago. August I believe). I felt comfortable with him but he was nowhere near the level of my real mains. He feels a lot better now in smash 4, though.
Thank's I'll start trying to do that, I just joined smashboards a couple days ago, but I can see how helpful the site and the community can be. Ive seen a couple vids of Ryuga and I watched Moon monkey's guide on ike this morning so I learned a bit, I've also had a few helpful replies from san,
