Parachute Parade! - GnW Social Discussion

[Sar]

I've noticed that I almost never spot dodge. I've heard before that spotdodging is a bad habit, how true is that? Is it so bad that I should never do it?

 

[-LzR-]

Spotdodging is one the most overpowered options in almost any gives situation where an opponent doesn't immediately cover it. It has a ridiculous risk/reward ratio and should be spammed smartly.

 

[Sar]

Spotdodging is one the most overpowered options in almost any gives situation where an opponent doesn't immediately cover it. It has a ridiculous risk/reward ratio and should be spammed smartly.

examples?

 

[SFA Smiley]

I disagree with that unless youre like those 6 or 7 characters who are in that top tier of spotdodges like D3, Falco, rob, yoshi, link, and whoever else

 

[-LzR-]

You don't need a godtier spotdodge. Spotdodges are always godtier unless you are Bowser or something. Being able to turn invincible without barely any lag is very powerful.

 

[Shadow the Past]

Don't forget Diddy.

And I don't think spotdodging is worth calling godtier. Spotdodging can lead you to playing too safe which leads to getting punished (which Ralph Cecil has been called out on doing frequently). One thing I commonly do as Wolf/MK is after respawning with the other player at high percents is slowly walk up to them and see how they react. A spotdodge/roll and they get dsmashed and probably killed.

 

[Alphicans]

Know what's even more godtier than spotdodging? Grabbing, which unfortunately will happen to you if you spam it too much.

 

[-LzR-]

Spotdodging obviously suck if you suck at doing it, but it's ridiculously hard to punish something that makes you invincible with like 2-5 frames of lag. Especially when you are not 100% certain they will do it.

 

[UTDZac]

I know this is about Brawl G&W stuff, but for those curious how awesome G&W is in Project:M, take a look:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b91QDcSGik

 

[Shadow the Past]

Spotdodging obviously suck if you suck at doing it, but it's ridiculously hard to punish something that makes you invincible with like 2-5 frames of lag. Especially when you are not 100% certain they will do it.

I mean, you could argue anything is amazing unless you suck at it. Fair's amazing, unless you suck at it, Utilt's amazing, unless you suck at it, etc. Spot dodging is like 20 frames of commitment during which your opponent can get ready to do whatever they want. If you spotdodge through an Fsmash then good for you, but if you spotdodge through someone's jab then you're just setting up to get punished.

 

[-LzR-]

Go watch a toplevel match with a Falco or Snake or something. They spotdodge like 5 times a row and still win the situation. It's a very powerful option and it's what makes approaching so dangerous.

 

[Shadow the Past]

Yes, but that's Snake and Falco, who has a free as hell 20% ftilt or a frame 1 jab, not to mention grabs. Best option we have is our 1st hit jab or dtilt and they're still pretty much garbage compared to Snake and Falco.

 

[-LzR-]

Well yeah it's not that good for us since we can just replace that with an upB, but spotdodges generally are very very damn stupid powerful. Lucky GW has such long lasting hitboxes he doesn't really care too much.

 

[SFA Smiley]

It's only good for certain characters, as a whole spotdodging is not that powerful, even buffered. Most of the cast has some lingering move to deal with them and the fact that the punishable frames appear at a regular rate because your spamming it makes it even less viable unless you're one of those characters with the stupid spotdodge. If you are Falco then **** yeah it's awesome but if your most other characters you'll just get ****ed up. Especially against Gdubs who ***** spotdodgers

Started practicing my pikachu. Still suiciding a lot but I hope for a day when I don't have to worry about Falco.

 

[Sar]

What makes the falco matchup so hard for us/you?

 

[SFA Smiley]

Just me. I just suck at fighting him.

I can't get past his walls and the threat of DACUS

I get destroyed by Falco. The match generally consist of me getting jabbed, then grabbed, the dacus'd, frame trapped into bair, more grabs, a little jab, side-b, laser laser, side b, etc etc while i get danced around. I do wayy better as peach funnily enough but I shouldn't be.

His mixups are really fast for me to react to even though I have a pretty good reaction time normally. If I can just have a decent pikachu to prevent the Falco I play from going Falco I'll be happy.

SoCal's Zekey did pretty decently against him but my matches look more like game 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUXziBzz26Y

Edit: He's better too now btw he's skyrocketed and is literally like twice as good now and it also now our Number 1. I can take games off the MK but the Falco eats me alive. I get excited when I have to fight the MK but I know if he ever REALLY feels threatened he'll just go falco and i hate that.

 

[-LzR-]

I used to think Falco destroys us, but I've learned a lot about it recently. I think it's simply a -1. In this MU you must remember to not touch his shield at all when at like 110% because that Usmash OoS is amazing so your dumb dairs will be destroyed.
The key to winning Falco is avoiding the chaingrab. If you get chaingrabbed each stock it's practically like Falco got 1 whole stock for free so it's a big deal. Not to mention Falco is probably one of the best chaingrabbers when it comes to getting a grab. Play really safe early stocks, it's better to get bair in the face if you screw up rather than just giving Falco 70% for free.
And when you get close, if you don't immediately get grab or hit him, upB away immediately. He will most likely jab, spotdodge or grab. His close combat options are among the best in the game, you will lose, don't challenge him.

 

[SFA Smiley]

Hmm.. honestly most of my problems may be caused by my aggressive playstyle. Well i've started playing more defensive so ill let you know how it works for me. Id much rather just get good at being aggressive though. Its more fun fore and i know its possible because i saw lee puff **** face with his super offensive playstyle.

 

[SFA Smiley]

Playing defensively really helped yesterday. I've got a few sets recorded with a few characters that people can study for matchup exp or whatever. I have 2 sets against marths, 1 vs Sonic (that almost led to my first timeout ever >_>), 1 against wario, 1 against Peach (Not Kyle though), and possibly ICs if it was recorded.

I had to play 2 Olimars yesterday too... I won both though. One as MK and one as GW (MK on the lesser one and GW on the better one).

I also had to play Meow in Pools. He was the only person to take a game off me in pools, we did the full ditto. He won second game on lylat and was effing me up in the ditto I really need to practice it. I only really won because i was outplaying him but he's definitely better than me at the ditto, i hate that matchup. I did get this sick stage spike on lylat though because he was sharking me so I up-b'd OOS and the windbox stagespiked him it was hilarious but we forgot to record it.

 

[SFA Smiley]

When I get the marth ones uploaded you guys should watch em' theyre both pretty good sets

 

[Sar]

I hate the ditto, purely because GW has weird sounds for all of his attacks so the field is so quiet.

 

[UTDZac]

 

[SFA Smiley]

Me and Meow's Match almost looked like this and then I went in and got ****ed up.

**** bacon.

 

[MEOW1337KITTEH]

I think all GnW's should just agree to sit and use bacon until the timer goes out in every set they ever play. Who needs to play a ditto like this??

 

[Deleted member 189823]

YO.

Didn't we have a video on how to Turtle cancel? I'd like to know more about it. Anything works, really (a video, a topic, a post, etc.)

 

[SFA Smiley]

Turtle cancelling is almost useless

edit: all it is is a feint that autocancels the turtle before it fully comes out so it looks like you'll turtle when you aren't. The problem is you have to be too close to the ground to really use it. Pretty much, it's basically as effective as just jumping at someone backwards honestly.

 

[Deleted member 189823]

What.
I thought it was a safe version of B-Air. 8(

 

[Gardex]

L-canceling the bair.

Just imagine

 

[SFA Smiley]

That'd be so amazing.

 

[Deleted member 189823]

Um, so- In other news.
Gardex, a friend from Finland told me Skinutski is back.

 

[Gardex]

Yup, recently got 2nd at a Finnish tournament.

 

[Deleted member 189823]

Skinutski is so awesome.

 

[Gardex]

You should see me

 

[SFA Smiley]

Omg i just realized my controls were wrong saturday. i kepr grabbing instead of up bing outta shield shield because my r was set to attack instead of jump. LOL oh god i mightve beat maize and kyle if i had correct controls. Definitely maize because there were a lot of times i could have split the ICs up with that but ended up grabbing him through the platform. Until next time i guess...

 

[Sar]

Just hosted my second tournament today. There were about 30 entrants and we did a double elimination bracket. Finished in a little over two hours with 6 setups.

I got second, AGAIN. It's that damn snake. I told myself that I'd go all GW against him in winners and Grand finals, but it just feels like such a bad matchup. I know it's supposedly a -1 but all i know is that we have a real hard time approaching. Like sure, you can do a perfectly spaced bair, but on shield that nets about 6 damage each time. Whereas if you don't space it properly, snake gets a free ftilt or utilt for incredidamage. Not to mention our kill moves are good, but you have to really get in to use them, which is very hard. And our grab sucks, so its really hard to mix it in appropriately.

Thinking about picking up oli or marth to counter snake.

 

[SFA Smiley]

Lol well don't use Marth, I learned that the hard way. Marth also loses... better than Gdubs at the matchup bu still.

Best choice if you wanna CP snake is just use MK honestly.

 

[Gardex]

Snake isn't that bad of a matchup. It's very scary for both ends(as it usually is with this 2D-man)

 

[SFA Smiley]

Basically.

I would honestly say the worst part of the matchup for me is not giving up when i'm behind. catching up to snake is very demoralizing.

 

[Gardex]

When in doubt, roll c-stick

 

[-LzR-]

Snake is a very difficult MU, but I don't mean that it's a disadvantage, it's just harder to play for GW than Snake imo. I think GW only needs to use a secondary for like ICs and Oli and Marth is arguable, but I think it's doable enough.
Nice job on hosting a successful 30 man tournament and placing well too.