Paper Mario Mafia: Day 4 finally ends! Luigi wins!

[BarDulL]

Let's go, lynch me, lynch Kary/Bardull-Chibo *whoever is cleared by Pierce* and the game should still be over even with my town-flip. I can't really do anything to stop this lynch and there is logical reasoning for me being lynched after the No NK so I guess I'm fine with being lynched, it's just I don't want to haha. Oh wellz.

That's my line of thinking.

 

[BarDulL]

Except for the lynch BarDulL/Kary part, wtfbbq. Not legit. Kary pretty much has to be jailer.

 

[#HBC | J]

It's not how it has to be, it's how people want it to be haha. Just don't make me a martyr with my flip.

Bardull, I really can't help the claim I've been given by the mod....so yeah.

 

[BarDulL]

It's not how it has to be, it's how people want it to be haha. Just don't make me a martyr with my flip.

Bardull, I really can't help the claim I've been given by the mod....so yeah.

Dude, it's auto-win with your flip. We don't have to worry about shenanigans and we get a confirmed Town John. It pretty much ends up coming down to me and Chibo assuming you're Town.

 

[#HBC | J]

Except for the lynch BarDulL/Kary part, wtfbbq. Not legit. Kary pretty much has to be jailer.

My NA went through. That's all I'm getting at. Maybe because my role is weird but then I had to take that back because Pierce saw me visit someone so I do have to go somewhere in order to FT.

So Bardull, if it's not you+Kary, then which of Chibo/John is it?

 

[#HBC | Kary]

^ Or Pierce is lying about being tracker.

Did anyone catch any of his crumbs?

 

[BarDulL]

If John is cleared, I'll be mad salty about Chibo since I thought Chibo saved me from the Kary/BarDulL D1 debacle, but I'll end up having Chibo lynched.

Pierce should out his crumbs tho.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

I only bring this up because no-one, literally no-one, is 100% cleared

 

[#HBC | J]

Not at all, but I'm more willing to believe him based on his play.

 

[BarDulL]

I'm confident that Pierce is tracker though along with his D1 analysis. J's the big ? with his visit to Seph and we need to get that out of the way.

 

[BarDulL]

Like it doesn't make sense not to have Tracker in this set up, and no one has CC'd yet.

 

[#HBC | J]

Yeah, I have to agree unless Ninja was a red herring role, I doubt Pierce is lying about his claim.

I kind of want John to claim because my feeling is that he has a PR.

 

[CT Chia]

Vote: J

I think I'll leave it up to marshy as to whether we mass claim today.

@Chibo: If you wanted, I'm sure you could PM the mod and ask if all night actions went through properly.

I do not know for 100% fact that you are indeed a jailer or not. It is on you to ensure that your night action went through properly and was considered.

 

[CT Chia]

I don't think one of me or Kary has to be lying but I doubt I can convince town otherwise.

Vote: J

Let's go, lynch me, lynch Kary/Bardull-Chibo *whoever is cleared by Pierce* and the game should still be over even with my town-flip. I can't really do anything to stop this lynch and there is logical reasoning for me being lynched after the No NK so I guess I'm fine with being lynched, it's just I don't want to haha. Oh wellz.

You better unvote yourself asap.

 

[CT Chia]

Well wait, no one is cleared by toNight's action due to No NK. Regardless, you can still win with a John+Pierce clear. Marshy is cleared if Kary is actually a jailer.

There is A LOT of information to learn about the night actions from everyone's claims and Pierce's result.

 

[#HBC | J]

Unvote

I just re-read my NA pm and it is really clear that my fortune telling went through. It said that I "predicted the future wrong" and not "your action has failed".

 

[BarDulL]

Kary is the jailer. This is pretty much irrefutable unless another protective role comes out.

Either way, we're mass claiming toDay, so no one's getting hammered yet.

 

[BarDulL]

How about this:

John
Chibo
BarDulL
Marshy

Deal?

I don't think anyone is going to dispute John claiming first anyhow. Marshy is probably the most clear because he has been jailed twice, so we'll leave him at the top. Deal?

 

[BarDulL]

Or bottom, since he is going to claim last.

 

[CT Chia]

First is Pierce's tracking report before any claims.

In the claiming, idc tbh where John is.

I'm ok with being first.

Chibo
Bardull
John
Marshy

 

[BarDulL]

Why do you want John to be third? o_O

Otherwise it's fine.

 

[frozenmarsh751]

Told you Marshomp - you would not be dead toDay. <3

I'm fine with NL

By what reasoning again? Are you just bragging about being right or did you definitively know that we would be unable to be killed?

I'm fine with a mass claim.

Claim order goes:

John
Chibo
Marsh
Me

If anyone has problems with that, fight me for it.

Yeah no try again with everyone before us. We go last. Us being me and marshy.

I choose Pierce because he was the biggest target for the NK toNight if they were not going to No NK. I also stated in thread that I would be FT'ing Pierce in pretty much NA analysis.

Something's confusing me,

My fortune telling went through...but it said I was wrong...

I am honestly don't know how if I was jailed so I want to know who exactly Kary jailed.

Have you confirmed with the mod that you would definitively recieve a different result along the lines of "your action failed" if you were roleblocked as opposed to the result of "you predicted wrong" that you claim you got? This is an important distinction, not all mods treat RBing and incorrect use differently. Find out now.

This might just be easy breezy then.

Lynching J confirms Town John, we jail Chibo, the rest is obvious.

How? Explain exactly how we can clear John from a J lynch. And when I say clear I mean guaranteed town clear. If you meant anything less than that you need to ****ing write what you actually mean.

Kary, can you go into like really full detail how your Jailing works?

No.

Stop appealing to your incredibly implausible claim, please.

Kary you are officially the worst ****ing town player of all ****ing time if you are actually town. Full disclosure. NOW. You have your role claim and claimed night actions ****ING CONFLICTING DIRECTLY with another claim. Not disclosing the nature of your ability COMPLETELY to us is only serving to make us unable to determine if your claimed actionsa are mutually exclusive. Stop being ****ing bad and tell us everything you know.

Kary is the jailer. This is pretty much irrefutable unless another protective role comes out.

You must be joking unless you suddenly decided to become ****ing awful at mafia.

How the **** is a jailer claim a guaranteed ride just because no one else is claiming protective? That's some of the worst logic I've ever heard. Just because he's an un CC'd jailer doesn't mean he's anywhere close to clear. Jailer isn't all that ****ing hard to fake unless we use him to deliberately force a town PR to get RB'd, and THAT assumes that the mod informs people when they are RB'd, which doesn't always happen btw.

We are not quicklynching. We're getting to the bottom of the J/Kary contradiction by having both players FULLY DISCLOSE THE EXACT AND DETAILED NATURE OF THEIR POWERS. THIS WILL HAPPEN IMMEDIATELY OR YOU ARE BOTH ****ING TERRIBLE PLAYERS. After that we can mass claim.

If we determine J/Kary claims to be contradictory, we lynch one of them. I'm in favor of lynching J first for sure. His claim is far too convenient for a scum to fake, and he's been ****ing tracked to a kill. That's a no brainer.

Once we have that settled and know what's left in the game for us to deal with, we can construct a coherent night plan. Let's not jump the gun here folks.

 

[BarDulL]

Marshy, chill the **** out. Kary's claim makes PERFECT sense in this set up, quit being ****ing delusional.

 

[BarDulL]

I agree that everyone needs to out ALL information however, including Kary.

 

[frozenmarsh751]

The fact that you say "the role makes sense" as if it means anything even remotely close to "that role is completely clear" has convinced me that beyond any shadow of doubt that you're the delusional one, OR you are just awful at mafia.

Go read Celebrity rehab if you want to challenge me when it comes to predicting setup balance and design and what you can actually conclude based on what you know of a setup. Overswarm said the exact same **** you are right now calling me paranoid and irrational. Fun fact: I was right about everything in the setup that he thought I was wrong about.

You can be as stubborn as you want but it wont change the fact that you don't actually know the **** you're purporting to know.

 

[BarDulL]

Dude, J has a town investigation result on John. It's simple. J flips fortune teller, John is town, we all go home happy.

Anyone even beginning to spout "godfather" needs to get kicked in the groin.

And I do know a thing or two about balance, and there NEEDS to be a protective role in here for Town to be balanced with scum. Kary's claim also fits PERFECTLY with what Bow does in Paper Mario 64, there's seriously no room for error on this and if you can give me a reason why Jailer wouldn't be in this set up, I'll bite, but for now, you're just being an idiot and making this harder than it should be.

 

[BarDulL]

**** it, this is pointless, lets agree to disagree for now and get a mass claim going, on the real.

John, claim please.

 

[CT Chia]

Anyone even beginning to spout "godfather" needs to get kicked in the groin.

And what if John is a GODFATHER?

 

[BarDulL]

I'm not going into set up speculation, but it's ****ing stupid that people are getting that paranoid to the point where they're afraid to use anything conclusive. That's what scum WANT us to do. They don't want us to have certainty. But Godfather in a tracker set up is just dumb.

 

[CT Chia]

So who you do you think is scum then if it's not J or John?

 

[BarDulL]

Chibo, I'd gun the **** out of your slot most likely by PoE. There's no one else that makes sense unless Marshy is pulling some bull **** on us, but he has been jailed two nights in a row now.

 

[CT Chia]

PoE? idk what that stands for.

No one else makes sense... No one besides who?

Marshy hasn't been jailed two nights in a row now...

 

[frozenmarsh751]

Ok @ the John clear. That's fine reasoning.

Not ok @ the Kary reasoning. You clearly don't know as much about balance than you think you do. No game EVER needs a protective role, period. They make town stronger, but they are never needed to balance a game out. You're just flat our wrong there. Even based on what we know of this setup, there's no reason to believe that the town NEEDS a protector to be balanced with scum. It's just flat out not true.

Also, sure the flavour and the power make sense. That's all well and good. Guess what though? Mods sometimes give these great things call fake claims. Ever heard of 'em? Last time I checked, giving fake claims that make sense is, ya know, KIND OF THE WHOLE POINT OF GIVING A FAKE CLAIM.

Also, your burden of proof is wrong. There being a provided fake claim of jailer is just as likely as there being an actual jailer in the game. I'm not claiming that there ISN'T a jailer. I'm saying we shouldn't CLEAR someone who is claiming jailer just because of the claim. The burden of proof is on YOU to show beyond a doubt that jailer is in this game AND is a town role.

Also, you say scum wants to prevent us from deciding on anything definitively. Wrong. While us being cautious and not having an entirely clear picture of the setup isn't the best thing for town, us operating based on FALLACIOUS, NON FACTUALLY BASED CONCLUSIONS is EXACTLY what scum want, because then we'll be mislynching based on things we THOUGHT we knew but didn't actually know.

Always play on the safe side. Pretending to know things that you don't is one of the dumbest things to do in mafia.

 

[BarDulL]

Process of elimination, and Marshy was jailed N1 and N2. The only time he was ever free to do what he wanted was N3 if he actually does have a PR.

That **** is way too good of a fake claim, really. But fine, I'll play along with this. J, get mod confirmation of how your role works, and Kary, get mod confirmation of how your role works, and to both of you, I mean get to know it by a tee, and then EXPLAIN EVERYTHING. If they still contradict each other, I'll consider back to back lynches even though Jailer should be friggin' OBVIOUS in this set up.

 

[BarDulL]

Marsh, what are we doing? Are we mass claiming? What're we waiting on?

 

[CT Chia]

Bardull, I have been mafia in a game before and have received Jailer as a fake claim. It's a very easy fake claim to use. They also do not need to question the intricacies of a jailer, it's a very simple role. In fact hey, I was a jailer in my last game in the BBR lol. We need to make sure that the Fortune and Jailing indeed go through uninterrupted.

We're waiting on Pierce's night track results.

 

[BarDulL]

Alright, I'm just dropping the set up speculation talk 'cause it's not gonna do us any good.

Pierce, get in here and lay down the facts for us.

 

[John2k4]

By what reasoning again? Are you just bragging about being right or did you definitively know that we would be unable to be killed?

I'll leave that up to WIFOM for now.

John, claim please.

Nah.

 

[frozenmarsh751]

John confirmed for scum MVP

 

[CT Chia]

I want to avoid all logic and just straight up kill him lol.

i HOPE pierce tracked john and saw him go somewhere