Paper Mario Mafia: Day 4 finally ends! Luigi wins!

[Pierce7d]

you're doing the same thing I'm doing, and looking at the game from your perspective.

You are not cleared Kary, and if I get killed tonight, you will remain uncleared. Suppose we lynch J and he's town. Then I get NKed for being obv town power role.

That leaves Kary, Marshy, Bardull, Chibo, John. You will be lynched at this point, if J flips town. Then Marshy will be NKed, unless he wants to carry you into LYLO on the off chance that you can jail him to keep him alive and he still believes your uncleared jailer claim through J's accusation that his NK goes off in which case you will be NKed so that it's Lylo with no Jailer. Honestly, Jailer is broken in LYLO, which is why I wish you'd played a cleaner game.
But of course that leaves Lylo as something dumb as hell like John, Chibo, Bardull, Marshy/Kary which gives potential scum Chibo and Bardull a rather large chance at winning right now.

 

[Pierce7d]

yes, I meant Non-Kary scum NKs me, the suspicion falls heavily onto you.

I'm not so worried, because I think one of the people being killed is scum. Curse J forever if he's town and acted this stupid. Curse you Kary for not having consistent play.

 

[BarDulL]

Well basically I crumbed that I was BP the entire game so I was able to avoid the NK and able to do more investigations. I basically get to guess who I think will die during the night so N1 I picked Adumb because it was obvious he was going to die from the way Seph was waving the gun at him all D1.

Then if I guess right, I am able to get an investigative or protecting ability. I choose investigative and I got a DayCop ability which I used on Bardull to clear him from any shenanigans that could happen later in the game if someone tried to bring up D1 w.r.t. him and left a crumb of Bardull being my strongest town read to Marshy within that Tier-list post that relates to the players and also moreso in my first post of the day with Marshy/Bardull being obv-town.

Then last night I visited Seph to guess his fortune and he did end up dying. Reason I choose him is that he was obviously never going to die during the day phase of the game and was just way too obv-town. Kary had also alluded that he was going to be protecting one of Fmarsh/Bardull/Pierce so it would make sense to go after the one person Kary had ended up leaving out and also mafia wouldn't waste a NK on Kary just because he has a PR in my mind.

I guessed right and got a protective out of it. (One-shot BP to be exact)

When I saw in my role pm that I could get a protective out of my guesses, I immediately started crumbing BP and made myself a mafia's worst nightmare to target because it would be too much of a risk to test a bluff on a BP crumber when I was getting pretty blatant with it after a while.

Thinking back on it, didn't J allude to being BP on D1 when he wasn't actually BP?

 

[BarDulL]

Bleh, nevermind. He addressed that point in the last clause.

Honestly, here's what I think we should do: wait for J to have the mod confirm if his action went through or not, then either lynch him, or no lynch and Pierce tracks Kary while Kary jails J again.

 

[BarDulL]

Which I guess is pretty obvious at this point. Just woke up, sue me.

J, hurry up and get in here.

 

[John2k4]

Oh neat, a vote count

Vote: No Lynch

 

[Pierce7d]

i guess the question I want to pose with my fellow players is

do we want to no lynch and have me track for a while or

do we want to just lynch J?

i don't think I have to recite the pros and cons between the options at this point.

 

[Pierce7d]

Unvote

 

[#HBC | Kary]

you're doing the same thing I'm doing, and looking at the game from your perspective.

You are not cleared Kary, and if I get killed tonight, you will remain uncleared. Suppose we lynch J and he's town. Then I get NKed for being obv town power role.

That leaves Kary, Marshy, Bardull, Chibo, John. You will be lynched at this point, if J flips town. Then Marshy will be NKed, unless he wants to carry you into LYLO on the off chance that you can jail him to keep him alive and he still believes your uncleared jailer claim through J's accusation that his NK goes off in which case you will be NKed so that it's Lylo with no Jailer. Honestly, Jailer is broken in LYLO, which is why I wish you'd played a cleaner game.
But of course that leaves Lylo as something dumb as hell like John, Chibo, Bardull, Marshy/Kary which gives potential scum Chibo and Bardull a rather large chance at winning right now.

This assumes that there will be a night kill, which isn't a given because I'll be jailing Chibo.
Oh, and if I announce I'm jailing Chibo, you get night killed and I get lynched and flip town jailer, that clears Chibo (given 1 scum remaining). If there's only one scum left you can mislynch J and myself and still have a chance; Lylo is like 3 of Chibo/Bardull/marshy/John but with John and Chibo both being clear.
At least I think all that's right.
I mean, I would rather have lynched J yesterday, but I think J scum is much more likely than say a Chibo + someone (Not-J) scumteam remaining.

blargh

Oh and curse you for not just tracking me last night Pierce (joking)
I feel like I should mention J flips scum the game continues you track John not me

again, blargh

 

[BarDulL]

This assumes that there will be a night kill, which isn't a given because I'll be jailing Chibo.
Oh, and if I announce I'm jailing Chibo, you get night killed and I get lynched and flip town jailer, that clears Chibo (given 1 scum remaining). If there's only one scum left you can mislynch J and myself and still have a chance; Lylo is like 3 of Chibo/Bardull/marshy/John but with John and Chibo both being clear.
At least I think all that's right.
I mean, I would rather have lynched J yesterday, but I think J scum is much more likely than say a Chibo + someone (Not-J) scumteam remaining.

blargh

Oh and curse you for not just tracking me last night Pierce (joking)
I feel like I should mention J flips scum the game continues you track John not me

again, blargh

You jailed Marshy N1/N2, why do you not have him as clear? o.O

 

[#HBC | Kary]

let me spell it out.
No one is 100% clear; my jailing marshy does not clear him at all. I believe he is town.

I'm assuming if J flips town he hasn't lied about daycopping John, ergo John is clear on the basis of a cop clear -again not 100% but clear unless godfather etc. or town J lied.

If we lynch J and I jail Chibo and a kill goes through, and then you lynch me and I flip town jailer, either there's two scum and the game is over, or Chibo is clear unless for some reason I lied.

What I'm saying is mechanically, assuming no BS roles and neither J nor I lied about our night actions, both John and Chibo would be cleared through mechanics in a 3 man Lylo.

Yourself and marshy would not be cleared through mechanics, though i believe you're both town. Get me?

ika:

 

[John2k4]

As bad as this is for me, I recommend you read one of the later days of ModMafia, Kary. Chibo did the exact thing you are talking about, where he faked a cop clear on me when I was scum (didn't even investigate meh, but said I was clear), and Town lost the game for pretty much that.. =P

 

[#HBC | Kary]

I appreciate the concern, John, but in all seriousness, I haven't lied about any of my actions etc.
If J is town and has lied about you being clear etc. I really think he should have come clean by now.

Personally i'm prepared to believe that town J wouldn't lie about something like that, and if we lose the game based on me making that assumption then I don't know whether or not that's my fault.

 

[John2k4]

Agreed; I trust that townJ wouldn't pull something like that.

 

[BarDulL]

Jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj

 

[#HBC | Kary]

I've got like 20 questions left...I will finish todayish...it's 7 in the morning and I've pretty much pulled an all-night typing this thing haha. I am sorry but I need sleep. I will try and finish it after I wake-up from like 2 hours of sleep.

from the DG Interview Thread...
and here was me thinking it was purely scum J going inactive.

Ciao.

 

[Pierce7d]

Kary, you jailed Marshy the night I tracked J, and there was a night kill. That's a clear if we are playing on the premise of one scum remaining.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Ugh, you're right.
Jailing marshy N2 and there being a kill clears him if he gets to 3-man Lylo because 3-man Lylo shows there's only 1 scum, given my town flip and me not lying.
But bleh

The fact is that if there's only 1 scum remaining (which we can't know), there's almost no way we can lose.

If there's 2 scum remaining, the problem is whether or not J is one of them.

If we lynch J today and he flips town, this basically clears John, but allows for say a marshy/Chibo scumteam. Or a Bardull/Pierce scumteam. Or a me + anyone scumteam. If someone dies in the night we might be in a 5-man Lylo. Otherwise we might be in a 6-man Mylo.
John would be cleared by J's flip.
Pierce can semi-clear me by tracking me that night.
Marshy/Bardull/Pierce would presumably be cleared on play, leaving Chibo.
So even if J flips town, you still get a chance to nail 2 scum, and I'd argue you get a pretty good idea of who one of them is straight away.

I'm arguing this to point out that to the best of my knowledge, even if J flips town, this puts us at worst in a 5-man Lylo with a pretty good idea of who to kill. If J flips scum, it's all good.

As such, I believe that whether or not J is scum is not even that much of a problem. Yeah there are ways that it can fall down, but mislynching him does not lose us the game, and gives us basically all the info we'd need to win.

Given the possibility of 2 scum, arguing for a no lynch at this stage just feels like an excuse to get Pierce killed

Bleh bleh bleh

 

[#HBC | Kary]

and I still don't get why you tracked Bardull :/

meh meh meh

 

[Pierce7d]

Kary, you jailed Marshy the night I tracked J, and there was a night kill. That's a clear if we are playing on the premise of one scum remaining.

 

[BarDulL]

Dat crazy delayed post.

J, confirm, por favor, si vous plait.

 

[Pierce7d]

oh, it's because I've been reloading on my phone, and I forgot that my last load was a post.

 

[Inferno3044]

J (1) Kary
John2k4 (0)
Pierce7d (0)
Chibosempai (0)
BarDulL (0)
Kary (0)
Frozenmarsh751 (0)

No Lynch (1): John

Not voting: J, Chibo, Bardull, Fmrash, Pierce

With 7 players alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

 

[frozenmarsh751]

:yawn:

lets massclaim. i dont care about the order so long as i go last

 

[Pierce7d]

@marshy

why are we mass claiming?

I agree that you should be last, and unfortunately john second to last.

 

[frozenmarsh751]

1. frozen told me to push one
2. im bored and maybe something interestingll come out of it
3. if theres 2 scum (doubt it) then theyre forced to claim today as opposed to a potential d5 lylo

 

[BarDulL]

I don't really care either since I'm fine with the 3 other people who claimed. Was thinking about gambiting a PR on someone but it seems a little late for that.



























Wait for it...


















I'm Moustafa, VT.

 

[CT Chia]

so we claiming? what's the order?

 

[BarDulL]

Your turn.

Also, I saw J in this thread, yet he doesn't tell us whether he had mod confirmed info that his ability went through.

/salt

 

[#HBC | J]

Sorry, just got back from a suprise going away party and I'm just not feeling mafia at all and probably won't for a bit.

Yeah, I messed up. My prediction failed.

 

[CT Chia]

Time to spill them beans...

I am Mario, Town Item User. Essentially, it is a Jack of all Trades. I have 3 one shot abilities, and the flavor is based off of items from the game.

This is from memory, forgive me if it's off, I'm on my phone and don't want to check my PMs.

Life Shroom - Doc
Fright Jar
A cop power and I forget what it's called.

Night 1 I copped Kary, I wanted to clear up the day 1 mess and I disliked Kary more. I got innocent, however this just means not mafia, could be town, godfather, or indy (mod confirmed). This is why I stopped going after him a lot on Day 2. I still considered lynching him thinking he may be indy.

Day 2 I RB'd Seph. His play and claim from early game really bothered me, and is so easily fakable for scum.

Day 3 I wasn't going to do anything and save my power, but in the end I chose to Doc Pierce to make sure we get the track. I didn't want to interfere with the lack of a NK and the Jailer clearing people, but I figured it was more important to get the tracking in case we could nail someone from it.

 

[CT Chia]

Fright Jar is the Role Blocking.

 

[BarDulL]

Sooooo, did your ability not go through (roleblocked), or did it go through (not roleblocked, but you guessed wrong on your prediction?)

 

[BarDulL]

What the ****, 3 potential investigative roles?

 

[frozenmarsh751]

lol

the plot thickens

 

[John2k4]

Oh boy, Chibo is a freaking JOAT again.

So Chibo, did you get an innocent on me?

 

[frozenmarsh751]

please claim john

 

[frozenmarsh751]

offtopic: j i think you might overload yourself with games. every one ive played with you has had you sort of shut down at different points regardless of alignment. not sure why you do that to yourself but whatever. take this as friendly advice

 

[CT Chia]

Sooooo, did your ability not go through (roleblocked), or did it go through (not roleblocked, but you guessed wrong on your prediction?)

all of my abilities went through successfully.

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john seriously knock it off. your play is borderline blacklistable imo

 

[John2k4]

Marsh, you feel I should claim?


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@Chibo - 'Kay.