Official Pac-Man's Amazing Full Colour Fan Club! - Pac-Man General Thread

[Galaxian]

The above video is pure, unaltered, historical evidence of how much of an impact Pac-Man left on popular culture, especially during the 80s. Pasta based on the cartoon based on the video game. How many video games can say they have that? And that was in the 80s, too, before video games were even considered mainstream. Pac-Man really broke new ground and entrenched itself into the public consciousness. It was truly the Angry Birds/Candy Crush of it day.

Wasn't the Pac-Man cartoon show among the first ever video game cartoon adaptations ever?

It was made by Hanna-Barbera, if I remember correctly, too.

The only good thing that came out of it was Pac-Man Gets Belated on his Birthday, still one of my favorite YTPs to this day

EDIT:

This existed, too.

 

[BSP]

Alright, had another tournament today. I managed to win, and my play was decent but I could've done better. I think I got KO'd by my own hydrant once or twice...which shouldn't happen given we can clank with it. Most of my matches were streamed, so they should get put up. There's some Pac-Man vs Mario, Yoshi, Sheik and Villager. However, since most people still sleep on Pac-Man, they probably didn't have much MU experience.

I was just thinking to myself that I need to work on my game when I've got a bell in hand. After watching that montage, what Kool Aid did should be sufficient.

I can confirm what @ Paper Maribro said about Lucario somewhat. I got to play the MU with someone who was right at my level in Brawl. While I don't feel as much pressure from Lucario as I do from Sonic and Fox, our KO'ing issues are exploited pretty well by him. I don't remember if I won some matches or not, but even if I didn't, they all came down to high %'s on the both of us.

Oh, and you unlock dire hydrant by scoring at least 200000 points on Stage 2 of target blast in a single game.

Sorry you went through all that work :^(

Oh, but I thought you could still obtain it randomly. I got explosive jump punch for Mario randomly even though it's tied to something too.

 

[COLINBG]

The above video is disturbing though.

 

[Galaxian]

Alright, had another tournament today. I managed to win, and my play was decent but I could've done better. Most of my matches were streamed, so they should get put up. There's some Pac-Man vs Mario, Yoshi, and Villager.

I was just thinking to myself that I need to work on my game when I've got a bell in hand. After watching that montage, what Kool Aid did should be sufficient.

I can confirm what @ Paper Maribro said about Lucario somewhat. I got to play the MU with someone who was right at my level in Brawl. While I don't feel as much pressure from Lucario as I do from Sonic and Fox, our KO'ing issues are exploited pretty well by him. I don't remember if I won some matches or not, but even if I didn't, they all came down to high %'s on the both of us.

Congrats! I'm going to another weekly tomorrow so wish me luck there too.

 

[COLINBG]

Accidental double post.

 

[BridgesWithTurtles]

Wasn't the Pac-Man cartoon show among the first ever video game cartoon adaptations ever?

It was made by Hanna-Barbera, if I remember correctly, too.

The only good thing that came out of it was Pac-Man Gets Belated on his Birthday, still one of my favorite YTPs to this day

It was definitely one of the first. I think that the Donkey Kong cartoon predated it, and the Q*bert cartoon may have too, but I'm not sure. Pac-Man's cartoon was the bigger deal, though, certainly. Hanna-Barbera did indeed produce the show, with their resident voice actor Marty Ingels (the voice of other HB characters such as Beegle Beagle). He was actually hesitant to take on the role of Pac-Man and pretty much gave up voice acting after the show, but his contract provided a Pac-Man arcade cabinet to be shipped to his house. Wonder if he ever signed the thing and sold it for some insane price to some loony fan.

My favorite part of the show was the "Christmas Comes to Pac-Land" holiday special, the entertainment value of which can be accredited solely to the sheer absurdity of its concept and execution. The obligatory Christmas special for the Pac-Man cartoon that inevitably had to be made. It's like the ultimate embodiment of the status quo in 1980s American animation.

 

[Galaxian]

It was definitely one of the first. I think that the Donkey Kong cartoon predated it, and the Q*bert cartoon may have too, but I'm not sure. Pac-Man's cartoon was the bigger deal, though, certainly. Hanna-Barbera did indeed produce the show, with their resident voice actor Marty Ingels (the voice of other HB characters such as Beegle Beagle). He was actually hesitant to take on the role of Pac-Man and pretty much gave up voice acting after the show, but his contract provided a Pac-Man arcade cabinet to be shipped to his house. Wonder if he ever signed the thing and sold it for some insane price to some loony fan.

My favorite part of the show was the "Christmas Comes to Pac-Land" holiday special, the entertainment value of which can be accredited solely to the sheer absurdity of its concept and execution. The obligatory Christmas special for the Pac-Man cartoon that inevitably had to be made. It's like the ultimate embodiment of the status quo in 1980s Amercian animation.

Oh my god I didn't know a Q*Bert cartoon existed. Holy **** this is art. Art in it's purest form, I say.

It was big, yeah. I'll have to check out that Christmas Special at some point.

 

[Psi Sig]

hey i dont post often here, but I was wondering if you guys knew any sets off hand I should watch to learn more

 

[Galaxian]

hey i dont post often here, but I was wondering if you guys knew any sets off hand I should watch to learn more

Abadango's games at APEX are really good examples of Pac play. Maybe don't watch his set against Dabuz, though.

 

[Psi Sig]

Thanks I'll definitely check them out now

 

[COLINBG]

Abadango's games at APEX are really good examples of Pac play. Maybe don't watch his set against Dabuz, though.

If anything, his set against Dabuz is one of the most important ones. Because Rosa is one of the harder MUs, but also because you can learn a lot about dealing with camping in general. Why did he lose? What could he have done differently to win the game? Why is Pac having trouble going in and what can we do to help us?

hey i dont post often here, but I was wondering if you guys knew any sets off hand I should watch to learn more

But yeah, Abadango and Koolaid are arguably the two best Pacmans, so any videos of them are a safe bet. Don't rule other players out though, Pac can do so much that almost anyone can learn from just about anyone.

 

[Galaxian]

If anything, his set against Dabuz is one of the most important ones. Because Rosa is one of the harder MUs, but also because you can learn a lot about dealing with camping in general. Why did he lose? What could he have done differently to win the game? Why is Pac having trouble going in and what can we do to help us?

Well I just said that because they're boring as ****, but that's a good point too.

Literally went into SD 3 goddamn times. Rosalina vs Pac-Man is such a campy MU, god damn

Doesn't help that Abadango's Pac is naturally defensive and Dabuz is Dabuz.

 

[COLINBG]

Well I just said that because they're boring as ****, but that's a good point too.

Literally went into SD 3 goddamn times. Rosalina vs Pac-Man is such a campy MU, god damn

Doesn't help that Abadango's Pac is naturally defensive and Dabuz is Dabuz.

Haha I personally thought it was pretty entairtaining, probably more than a normal match. One error from Dabuz could cost him the game, but at the same time Abadango was struggling hard to do anything. I think it was a superbly played game. I know @ Nu~ agrees with me on this one ;P But honestly I can understand why most people find it boring.

 

[Nu~]

He can watch that set to see how not to fight a rosa.

 

[SegaNintendoUbisoft]

 

[Galaxian]

He can watch that set to see how not to fight a rosa.

Yeah, it was a bit of a "don't do that" match.

I can face Rosalina alright with Pac-Man but I'd really rather not. I still stick to Mario just for her.

 

[Nu~]

Why did it take abadango so long to adapt? Even with his back against the wall in a stalemate, he just couldn't adapt to the matchup. Never try to out camp a rosa in long range with projectiles. You have to stay close enough to punish GP, while still applying pressure to Rosa. Rosa hates aggression.

Instead, I saw very low usage of fruit use in mid range, a lack of luma pressure, predicable movement...

I respect abadango, but I really question his decisions in that matchup. Even worse is how he mentions on his Twitter page how sonic and rosa are "impossible".

Learn to adapt and look in the damn mirror before you call anything "impossible"

 

[Paper Maribro]

I can confirm what @ Paper Maribro said about Lucario somewhat. I got to play the MU with someone who was right at my level in Brawl. While I don't feel as much pressure from Lucario as I do from Sonic and Fox, our KO'ing issues are exploited pretty well by him. I don't remember if I won some matches or not, but even if I didn't, they all came down to high %'s on the both of us.

it was actually @dragontamer that was most vocal about the MU, but I agree it's pretty horrid. We just can't kill him as easily as he kills us.

Why did it take abadango so long to adapt? Even with his back against the wall in a stalemate, he just couldn't adapt to the matchup. Never try to out camp a rosa in long range with projectiles. You have to stay close enough to punish GP, while still applying pressure to Rosa. Rosa hates aggression.

Instead, I saw very low usage of fruit use in mid range, a lack of luma pressure, predicable movement...

I respect abadango, but I really question his decisions in that matchup. Even worse is how he mentions on his Twitter page how sonic and rosa are "impossible".

Learn to adapt and look in the damn mirror before you call anything "impossible"

Not gonna lie but I'm with the 'dango here. I've tried this MU far too many times. My training partner and I are both so bored of it we usually use our secondaries against each other. I've tried a variety of things but it all ends up back to Rosa winning comfortably. Mid range would be lovely except Luma's range is so extreme we have 0 safe pokes. Our only safe pokes are projectiles and we can't use them reliably at all. It's a lost cause in the current build, hopefully the patch can help us but if not, a secondary for a competitive Pac main is gonna be a necessary evil if you want to win anything.

There are 5 characters, that IN MY OPINION (can't stress this enough), essentially make maining Pac at tourney level hell. Yoshi, Fox, Lucario, Sonic and Rosa. I think ZSS and Diddy beat us but those MUs are manageable. Not so sure about other MUs that could be added to those five or ones we lose because I have little experience offline in a lot of MUs and online experience doesn't count for much.

None of this really matters anyway because in 3 days the whole meta is going to change, even if only slightly.

Congrats! I'm going to another weekly tomorrow so wish me luck there too.

Good luck my man!

 

[Galaxian]

Why did it take abadango so long to adapt? Even with his back against the wall in a stalemate, he just couldn't adapt to the matchup. Never try to out camp a rosa in long range with projectiles. You have to stay close enough to punish GP, while still applying pressure to Rosa. Rosa hates aggression.

Instead, I saw very low usage of fruit use in mid range, a lack of luma pressure, predicable movement...

I respect abadango, but I really question his decisions in that matchup. Even worse is how he mentions on his Twitter page how sonic and rosa are "impossible".

Learn to adapt and look in the damn mirror before you call anything "impossible"

While yes, he should learn to adapt, keep in mind Abadango's Pac-Man is naturally very defensive. Dabuz can shut this down, but he ALSO plays defensive - neither want to go in, so it's just a long ranged battle. That might be why he says that, and I kind of agree with him.

 

[BSP]

Actually, I still think Abadango's approach to the Rosa MU is a viable strategy if done properly. I'm assuming that he didn't know he could heal off of GP at the time, which changes things a bit if Rosa wants to sit back 100%. Defensive Rosalina strategy revolves around hydrant IMO. If Rosa wants to play a waiting game, Pac-Man can too.

If Abadango wanted to play a waiting game too, he could have planted hydrants -> fair launched them and followed. Heal himself if Rosalina GPs it (likely, otherwise Luma will get hit if she stays grounded), or punish her for going airborne to avoid it. It's only 2% per heal, but it's still 2% more than 0%, and it shows her she can't use GP for free. He could charge keys at his leisure and throw those into the mix as well, because they murder Luma well too.

I don't know if it's the best strategy, but it's definitely one way to approach the MU. Rosalina will probably respond by being a little more aggressive, in which case I still say spam hydrant and then punish her for dealing with it. Most important is not to tunnel vision though. Take advantage of openings when they're there and go more aggro accordingly.

I think aggro Rosalina is a bit harder overall though. I'm still at a complete loss against Sonic too.

 

[Galaxian]

Came 2nd overall at the weekly, baah. Really good DH/Sheik got me good.

Repped Pac alot, had a lot of fun. I feel like I did really well.

Oh and by the way Lylat is an awful, awful stage

Ban it forever and always. **** Lylat.

 

[COLINBG]

Today my coworker and I were bored, so we started to talk about a lot of random things. The discussion evolved to a question that caught our attention, and I'd like to hear y'all's answers.

If you could have a conversation with someone dead, from any period in history, who would it be and why?

 

[busken]

I would talk to Mewtwo from Project M and tell him he better be good in Smash 4.

 

[Psi Sig]

I would talk to Ravel, the way he composed is just incredible

 

[Ffamran]

The setup! The setup with the Hydrant and Bonus Fruit and the murder of shofu!

 

[Nu~]

Today my coworker and I were bored, so we started to talk about a lot of random things. The discussion evolved to a question that caught our attention, and I'd like to hear y'all's answers.

If you could have a conversation with someone dead, from any period in history, who would it be and why?

Any Ancient Egytian, Aztec, Incan, or Mayan. What is the deeper meaning behind your pyramids, and why are your cultures so similar?
What if they are all related?

Hell, I would want to talk to anyone dead to find out what truly happens after death.

 

[Galaxian]

Today my coworker and I were bored, so we started to talk about a lot of random things. The discussion evolved to a question that caught our attention, and I'd like to hear y'all's answers.

If you could have a conversation with someone dead, from any period in history, who would it be and why?

I'd ask Melee Kirby what went wrong.

They practically killed him in that game. It's miserable.

 

[Nu~]

it was actually @dragontamer that was most vocal about the MU, but I agree it's pretty horrid. We just can't kill him as easily as he kills us.



Not gonna lie but I'm with the 'dango here. I've tried this MU far too many times. My training partner and I are both so bored of it we usually use our secondaries against each other. I've tried a variety of things but it all ends up back to Rosa winning comfortably. Mid range would be lovely except Luma's range is so extreme we have 0 safe pokes. Our only safe pokes are projectiles and we can't use them reliably at all. It's a lost cause in the current build, hopefully the patch can help us but if not, a secondary for a competitive Pac main is gonna be a necessary evil if you want to win anything.

There are 5 characters, that IN MY OPINION (can't stress this enough), essentially make maining Pac at tourney level hell. Yoshi, Fox, Lucario, Sonic and Rosa. I think ZSS and Diddy beat us but those MUs are manageable. Not so sure about other MUs that could be added to those five or ones we lose because I have little experience offline in a lot of MUs and online experience doesn't count for much.

None of this really matters anyway because in 3 days the whole meta is going to change, even if only slightly.

You sound a bit melodramatic. Needs a secondary? I'm going to have to beg to differ.

We may not have safe pokes horizontally against rosa (VERY few characters do) but we sure as hell have a safe poke vertically. Hydrants crush luma from above always since it can't shield. If Rosa tries to GP this, you can fastfall bair or nair her during her GP animation.
Saying its a "lost cause" sounds way too definitive for a matchup that isn't even fully fleshed out yet. And as for your anecdotal experience versus your friend, @ fromundaman and I have had very different experiences in the Rosa matchup that leads me to believe that the matchup isn't that bad at all.

As a Pac-Man community, we really need to stop overrating GP. It may stop our fruit and hydrant traps, but we have many ways to play around it. Mid range punishes, baiting, healing...
She has the range, but we definitely have the speed advantage.
Speaking of which, I should upload my Rosa matches.


As for the matchups that you believe make a Pac Main's life "hell" in a tourney, I'm going to have to strongly disagree with every one of them. From my experience, each one of those matchups are manageable. Hell, the hardest one in that list is sonic, and that's only 40:60 imo.
But, since you wanted to stress that it was only an opinion, I won't argue about your list any further.


Besides, we finally have some peace in the Pac-thread.
I really don't want to mess that up lol

Actually, I still think Abadango's approach to the Rosa MU is a viable strategy if done properly. I'm assuming that he didn't know he could heal off of GP at the time, which changes things a bit if Rosa wants to sit back 100%. Defensive Rosalina strategy revolves around hydrant IMO. If Rosa wants to play a waiting game, Pac-Man can too.

If Abadango wanted to play a waiting game too, he could have planted hydrants -> fair launched them and followed. Heal himself if Rosalina GPs it (likely, otherwise Luma will get hit if she stays grounded), or punish her for going airborne to avoid it. It's only 2% per heal, but it's still 2% more than 0%, and it shows her she can't use GP for free. He could charge keys at his leisure and throw those into the mix as well, because they murder Luma well too.

I don't know if it's the best strategy, but it's definitely one way to approach the MU. Rosalina will probably respond by being a little more aggressive, in which case I still say spam hydrant and then punish her for dealing with it. Most important is not to tunnel vision though. Take advantage of openings when they're there and go more aggro accordingly.

I think aggro Rosalina is a bit harder overall though. I'm still at a complete loss against Sonic too.

It may be effective when done correctly, but it just seems so inefficient. Why sit back and play her game if we can destroy her luma from above and mess with her in mid range? I'm not suggesting to play aggressively, but rather play a patient bait and punish game in mid range where she can't GP us and we can follow up our fruit tosses. Once the luma is gone, the matchup becomes easy imo.

 

[Pacack]

Today my coworker and I were bored, so we started to talk about a lot of random things. The discussion evolved to a question that caught our attention, and I'd like to hear y'all's answers.

If you could have a conversation with someone dead, from any period in history, who would it be and why?

Probably Albert Einstein, as cliche as that is. I'd love to have a proper conversation with one of the most brilliant men to ever live.

 

[SegaNintendoUbisoft]

Today my coworker and I were bored, so we started to talk about a lot of random things. The discussion evolved to a question that caught our attention, and I'd like to hear y'all's answers.

If you could have a conversation with someone dead, from any period in history, who would it be and why?

Probably Walt Disney, his work has inspired me throughout my life, and meeting him would be an honor.

 

[Nu~]

Probably Albert Einstein, as cliche as that is. I'd love to have a proper conversation with one of the most brilliant men to ever live.

Too mainstream, gosh

 

[BridgesWithTurtles]

Today my coworker and I were bored, so we started to talk about a lot of random things. The discussion evolved to a question that caught our attention, and I'd like to hear y'all's answers.

If you could have a conversation with someone dead, from any period in history, who would it be and why?

Jesus of Nazareth. Even if he didn't turn out to be divine, he'd probably still be a pretty cool guy to talk to. For those who don't consider Jesus to be "dead", however, then my second choice would be Gandhi. I'd totally have a chat with Gandhi. I'd fight him too.

 

[BSP]

It may be effective when done correctly, but it just seems so inefficient. Why sit back and play her game if we can destroy her luma from above and mess with her in mid range? I'm not suggesting to play aggressively, but rather play a patient bait and punish game in mid range where she can't GP us and we can follow up our fruit tosses. Once the luma is gone, the matchup becomes easy imo.

Because it's pretty hard to lose when you're at 0%

Seriously though, it just feels nice to develop a strategy that counters the way Abadango lost at Apex. Plus, from what I've seen from skimming over Rosalina's section, she doesn't want to be an aggro character if she can help it. The laid back strategy forces her to be proactive in the MU at the least.

 

[Nu~]

Because it's pretty hard to lose when you're at 0%

Seriously though, it just feels nice to develop a strategy that counters the way Abadango lost at Apex. Plus, from what I've seen from skimming over Rosalina's section, she doesn't want to be an aggro character if she can help it. The laid back strategy forces her to be proactive in the MU at the least.

Unfortunately I have a feeling that Abadango won't put it to use at EVO though...
He didn't even like our custom sets

 

[BSP]

Unfortunately I have a feeling that Abadango won't put it to use at EVO though...
He didn't even like our custom sets

With his style, there's no reason not to. I just hope he knows about it at least.

 

[Galaxian]

Unfortunately I have a feeling that Abadango won't put it to use at EVO though...
He didn't even like our custom sets

He thinks that default trampoline is better, and I guess in some cases it might be?

I've never actually grounded someone with Meteor on ground yet. But maybe that's just because I've got work to do with my Pac-Man.

 

[Paper Maribro]

You sound a bit melodramatic. Needs a secondary? I'm going to have to beg to differ.

We may not have safe pokes horizontally against rosa (VERY few characters do) but we sure as hell have a safe poke vertically. Hydrants crush luma from above always since it can't shield. If Rosa tries to GP this, you can fastfall bair or nair her during her GP animation.
Saying its a "lost cause" sounds way too definitive for a matchup that isn't even fully fleshed out yet. And as for your anecdotal experience versus your friend, @ fromundaman and I have had very different experiences in the Rosa matchup that leads me to believe that the matchup isn't that bad at all.

Since when has being above R&L ever been safe? Anyway, I've tried this before and it doesn't work. I have never gotten attack off to punish a GP after hydranting from above. Well, it may be anecdotal but it's as relevant as your experience and tbh, he probably has more experience than most at this MU because we play literally all the time. Play a Rosa offline and have fun tbh dude.

As for the matchups that you believe make a Pac Main's life "hell" in a tourney, I'm going to have to strongly disagree with every one of them. From my experience, each one of those matchups are manageable. Hell, the hardest one in that list is sonic, and that's only 40:60 imo.
But, since you wanted to stress that it was only an opinion, I won't argue about your list any further.

We've been over this countless times, it's something we disagree on so we should just leave it at that . If you want to know how it feels to solo Pac in tourney go and enter one and see how you go .

Besides, we finally have some peace in the Pac-thread.
I really don't want to mess that up lol

Yeah it's been pretty sweet to just have a chuckle with everyone and get to know everyone better, hopefully this continues.

Today my coworker and I were bored, so we started to talk about a lot of random things. The discussion evolved to a question that caught our attention, and I'd like to hear y'all's answers.

If you could have a conversation with someone dead, from any period in history, who would it be and why?

This may be breaking the rules slightly, but can I go back in time and talk to young me and tell him to believe in himself?

Otherwise, idek. There's so many people that would be awesome to meet. Maybe Edwin Hubble?

 

[fromundaman]

I have played a GOOD tournament Rosa offline and do attend tournaments:

It's hard but not so much as to need a secondary IMO.

I used to think it was impossible, but it just forces us to play differently and rather than trying to play to our strengths, play to Rosa's weaknesses, notably that she struggles against rushdown and that we have a good rushdown game once we can get through the wall she puts up.
Admittedly, that is MUCH easier said than done, but if we play smart in the neutral and play a patient mid range game until we are given an opportunity, then we can win it, especially since once we are in, she has a hell of a time getting us off of her again.



Sonic on the other hand I have played less of. The only tournament Sonic that I have had the chance to play I have not gotten to play all that much, and as a result while the MU didn't feel too bad , but I don't know how much of that was a result of lack of MU experience on either side.
That said, it was a hell of a lot easier than trying to play this MU online. Even bad sonics feel impossible online.

Came 2nd overall at the weekly, baah. Really good DH/Sheik got me good.

Repped Pac alot, had a lot of fun. I feel like I did really well.

Oh and by the way Lylat is an awful, awful stage

Ban it forever and always. **** Lylat.

While I agree that this is a ****ty stage, we benefit SO much from Lylat! I honestly think it's one of our better stages. It is a terribly designed stage, is completely bugged, and shouldn't be a starter, but man all of that works in our favor.



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As for going back in time to meet someone.... ehhhh... idk. Probably Frank Zappa?

 

[MachoCheeze]

I mentioned this in the Tournament Placement thread but I ranked 9th out of 41 at High Elevation 2, probably the biggest WV tournament of the year. I got a decent amount of matches on stream so hopefully they'll be up soon!

Lucario is what done me in. I had zero MU experince with Lucario and this one was playing incredibly defensively and I lost my cool and tried to go full aggression. I took a game off of him but my mistakes got the better of me. I'm still pretty happy though!

 

[Galaxian]

While I agree that this is a ****ty stage, we benefit SO much from Lylat! I honestly think it's one of our better stages. It is a terribly designed stage, is completely bugged, and shouldn't be a starter, but man all of that works in our favor.

Trampoline goes through the stage, hard to set up hydrants, fruit is caught on the ramp...

Are we talking about the same Lylat, here? I hate that stage as Pac-Man.

I also agree with your Rosa thing. It's not awful, but I keep my Mario/Luigi backed up for Rosa due to a personal hatred of the Pac / Rosa MU. It can be really boring to play.