First off, my issue with you about my claim is not that you didn't check CT mafia for my role, but rather when I said I was immune to lethal actions, you responded in a tone sounded like I had just pulled that out of my ***. That really grinds my gears since it shouldn't had come as a surprise.
I don't think you pulled it out of your ***. I'm sure your claim is accurate to whatever OS gave you in your role PM. Doesn't mean your role is ****ing town aligned though. The problem I have with the role isn't that you have the BPness as if it didn't exist in the roles original incarnation. I went back and ****ing looked. I know thats how it originally was. What I'm saying is that again, BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW OF THIS SETUP (i.e. we seem to be up against a standard mafia primarily, maybe with an indy lurking about) it seems
incredibly overpowered for town to both have a vengeful townie that can punish scum with a 1-1 trade for attempting to NK it, AND a FULL TIME NIGHT ABILITY IMMUNE TOWNIE. That's just stupid. Maybe I'm wrong and OS had an oversight here. I don't think so though, and you play doesn't exactly assuage me in the least.
Second, about my role and Krys' role not being able to co-exist. Where the **** am I arguing that we are both town because they co-existed in a previous game? I was pointing out an INCONSISTENCY in what you have posted because you had previously
demonstrated an example in which they are both town, then jumped to the conclusion that they can't exist both as town in this game. I'll yield to the fact that balance is different between the two games, but we literally have no idea what abilities Hep/DH/Meadow had, thus to argue that we both can't exist because of balance is a reaching point.
Again, that was marshy and I not communicating and not being on the same page. Point is, I think my take on the matter shows very clearly why there is tension between those role claims and how marshy's previous analysis isn't particularly robust. Also, ****ing lmao at saying we don't know what abilities the dead scum had. We can get at least a decent idea by looking at their ****ing flips. Kefka was a vote manipulator, we know that 100% at the VERY least. We can check the old fiend roles and what princess peach had in the past to get a better idea of what those roles might have looked like. Not too hard.
Put that's not even the point! The scum would need an ability that DIRECTLY CONTRADICTS THE VERY POWER YOU'RE CLAIMING TO HAVE TO COUNTERBALANCE YOUR ROLE. They'd need a hitman kill or something, otherwise they really have no reliable way of dealing with basically two UNNIGHTKILLABLE TOWNIES. Like, how would that even be fair without something like that?
You and Crono having tension as claims is ABSOLUTELY NOT reaching.
Let's do this the easy way:
I don't want your role in endgame.
vote: FroMar
Wow ok, after taking this whole stance about how your reads are so ****ing important and you're unwilling to compromise about lynching other people because you're oh so convinced they are town (like jesus **** JTB as town are you ****ing high? I want whatever you're smoking) but then you use
this as rationale? kk thats enough crazy out of you. Use reads to defend people and then completely deny the ****ing existence of my slots entire ****ign paper trail and use our claim as a reason to not want us around in endgame DESPITE THE FACT THAT WE'RE LIKE SO ****ING OBVTOWN, HAVE BEEN ON ALL THE HARDBODY WAGONS, AND THAT OBVTOWN DOUBLEVOTERS LIKE US ARE A ****ING ASSET IN LYLO, NOT A LIABILITY.
Wow, I skimmed it just now and it didn't even respond to anything, just went over his bull**** plan that I still disagree with for the obvious reason that it hinges on ****ing Kryst being scum.
This is just straight up wrong. Like wow, wowwwwwwww you say you skimmed but I don't even think you ****ing read my post. I said like RIGHT THE **** AFTER I DESCRIBED KRYST'S ROLE IN THE PLAN THAT THE PLAN COVERS OUR OPTION WHETHER KRYST IS TOWN OR SCUM.
Like holy **** I'm going to have an aneurysm.
If Krys is town he mercs JTB for us. If he's scum, surprise HE'S ****ING SCUM AND WE'VE PROBABLY ALREADY WON AFTER LYNCHING HIM.
I mean, wow, you look at JTB and Kryst's roles as having tension, yet flat-out ignore the ****ing masonizer/neighborizer existing?
Oh wait, you think ZV's scum.
ZV, the guy the entire scumteam tried to lynch hardbody.
ZV.
REALLY?
Yeah wow you can **** off, you lost all your priveledges to ever talk about balance in games and role tension ever again.
You say two neighborizers has anywhere even close to as much tension as TWO ****ING UN-NKABLE TOWNIES? Like are you serious? Just.... wow.
Also, just ****ing lol at this Zv defending. The **** is wrong with you? You defend Zv by saying "but SO many scum were voting for him!" when we already know that the scum were distancing each other HARDCORE early on and obviously willing to ****ing bus, yet you call US scum because we've been on all the scum wagons. That's ****ing cute.
You honestly don't think the scum would bus ElZv? Especially with his performance this game, esp. early on? Yeah, the fact that you're DEFENDING Zv based on his interactions with flipped scum and ACCUSING US OF BEING SCUM because of our interactions with scum is some of the most mind boggling **** I've ever seen.
Like, I get you want to eliminate question marks. I understand that angle. The thing is, you're not looking hard enough at what Kryst ****ing claimed. Of the two, JTB's is so much the more suspicious but outside of his claim, JTB's played a gogdamn townie game. Like, straight out of the usual town handbook. Kryst claimed his role straight from the on-set of Bardull's gambit. He either is the quickest ****ing thinker and went to a huge amount of trouble to research every OS set-up to find the perfect safeclaim for any situation JUST IN CASE, or (much more likely) he's what he ****ing claimed.
So, no, I'm not ****ing lynching them. I plan on rereading a-****ing-gain just for posterity but I refuse to ****ing lynch either of those players and Inferno. I refuse to believe ZV is mafia. He is, at worst, indy. There's still something out there ****ing killing people not named Inferno. PoE has it down to you or Ruy. Ruy has a ****ing clear going for him.
THUS LEAVES YOU, THE CONFIRMED MULTI-SHOT DOUBLEVOTER TRYING TO LYNCH A CLAIMED VENGEFUL TO SET UP A 4-MAN LYLO. Are you ******** or do you clearly not see how ****ing awful that sounds?
Alright you know what, I'm actually with you about Kryst probably being town. Even ask marshy, when I saw Kryst claim I agreed with him that he was likely town. I did get a town read from that gambit reaction. I'm not gonna sit here and tell you Kryst is probably scum. I don't think he likely is. But here's the thing,
I could be ****ing wrong.
Just because I have a townread on someone who's generally be noncontributive doesn't mean I all of a sudden want to give a more or less unconfirmable role to LyLo. From my perspective, getting rid of him along with JTB and Zv just does exactly what I've said, removes question marks from the game for me, even IF that question mark is leaning town. Plus, no offense Kryst, but I just don't really trust you to make the right call in endgame.
That said, I'm willing to compromise here. Since I agree with you on Kryst more likely being town, I'm willing to cut him out of the mercing plan. At the least, I'd settle for Zv hammering JTB and then having Infern vig Zv. I want those two gone before LyLo ****ing end of story. They've been hardcore coasters. Like I SERIOUSLY don't understand where you get a town read from on either of them.
JTB being described as straight out of the town book is ****ing laughable. Ask marshy, I ****ing sent him message straight out of the gates at the start of this day phase, and the last, telling him how I thoughtt JTB's initial posts in these phases seemed grimy as balls. I could go back and write up a huge case for you if you want, but I'm sure no one else here wants to read more walls.
Your case for Zv as town is also ****ing garbage because you have your interpretation of how scum interacted with Zv and us (FroMar) ****ing backward. You say WE are more likely to be scum for ****ing HARDCORDE (allegedly) BUSSING OUR SCUMMATES while you say Zv is LIKELY TO BE TOWN FOR HAVING EVIDENCE OF BEING SET UP TO BE BUSSED? Uh, the ****? Like you should try reading your own arguments out loud sometime. Maybe it'll help you recognize how ****ing assbackward they are.
So point is, let's get those two the **** outta here. That gives us a five man pool going into night after infern merc WORST CASE (assuming Zv or JTB aren't our last scum which I seriously doubt that they aren't). We come out tomorrow with 4 people assuming scum do the kill thing. Now Marshy and I can't ****ing insta alphastrike hammer like I'm sure you've been pissing yourself at night about because of your insane paranoia.
With 4 alive for LyLo at worst, we can atleast sit down and re-evaluate this game without coasting inactive PoS's like Zv and mega question marks like JTB gone. Like please for the love of god, can we meet in the middle here?
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