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OS All-Stars: Game over! TOWN WINS!

frozenmarsh751

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@ frozen

i would NOT lynch ruy/inferno before toad. what the ****? no

inferno by going with the 4 people dying plan we maximize the kills chosen by town and minimize those chosen by scum while molding an endgame that is more favorable. plus it ends this game faster
 

Krystedez

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FroMar: (Kirk) - Double Voter, 1-Shot lynch narrower
RR: (??) neighborizer
MiR: (Onslaught) - Rolecop
Inferno: (Wolverine) - Vig that can only kill hammer voter or people voting him
ElZv: (Deadpool) - neighborizer deadpool can post whenever he pleases
JTB: (Frog) - Town Hero, no NK/targetables/DKs applicable
Kryst: (Crono) - Anti-Kill townie (kills anyone who hammers him or NKs him)

Is two neighborizers even possible?

I'm fine with killing ElZV, whats the possibility of two town-aligned neighborizers existing? Plus he hasn't done diddly squat-****.
 

frozenmarsh751

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2 neighborizers is certainly possible. its kind of like how in chrono trigger both frog and crono as town existed when they both have "everyone who targets these mother****ers die" qualities to them
 

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Going to work on a big post. Will be up late today if I don't fall asleep after work, otherwise tomorrow

:phone:
 

Make it Rain!

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Not MiR, refer to us as Politoed :mad:
No, **** all that noise, it's time to:



So, first things first, let's talk about why Chibo is not mafia. All y'all are looking at his complete inactivity since D1 and it's become a huge scapegoat and a distraction. I'll admit, yes, it's concerning, but look at it this way: the entire flipped scumteam was on his wagon at one point or another D1. Drew tried to push that lynch down after I got it rolling but decommitted slowly without ever really talking about it. Dark Horse went hard into that lynch after the Inferno wagon fell through and Hep also went into it over Sho (one of the reasons we had Hep as scum). Every single one of them wanted that lynch but they all milled about it.

"So how's it not a bus?" Drew would've pushed it down for the town cred. Very, very high chance he would've done that. Instead he flipped to FroMar and started pushing that down. I don't remember where Hep and DH ended up, but that's besides the point. Drew would've looked at Chibo, laughed, said he's bussable, and then done it the moment he had the opportunity. Don't believe me? He did it in Asdioh's game, where he and I actually NKed our partner through an additional night kill. He also tried for it in Lost Almost-Mafia (I can't remember who he did it on, he either tried for it or set it up for Gorf).

Something I overlooked is ZV might be an indy. I hadn't really considered this and, in hindsight, it would fit in with his disappearing act and yet also answer why the entire scumteam tried to go after him so hard d1. I'll probably look into his play after this. I don't think he is, but then the only indy possible after that point would have to be FroMar and I think FroMar is most likely scum.

WAIT WHY IS FROMAR MOST LIKELY SCUM?

WHY I'LL TELL YOU!

:186:

(Breaking this into multiple posts so I don't weigh everyone down with one massive post).
 

Make it Rain!

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Do you really trust El ZV to make the right call in lylo?
Because towniness is directly corellated to a player's ability to perform in LyLo. I lynch scum, not stupid people. They just sometimes are one and the same.

Also remind me, what did you find on FroMar when you searched him?
I found:

Bold Leadership-Pick two people, they will be the only ones available to be lynched the next day. It may only be used once. It will be flavored as Captain Kirk.

Doublevote-During the dayphase, you can get a doublevote by using the command "Doublevote: playername." Vote will count as two, can't break it apart, yadda, yadda.
 

JTB

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Yes, that means I'm immune to lethal actions. So if inferno shot me, nothing would happen.

Wrt being immune to krys, I asked OS and didn't get a straight answer.

:phone:
 

#HBC | Red Ryu

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Man I'm not rereading again but I still don't think what I read D1 could be outside of a bus. His play even after that point never improved and left him still in the dark read wise.
 

Inferno3044

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Not to be rude to FroMar but I think his plan to kill Krys sucks ***. Unless you think they are both scum then I would rather them be alive. It also really sounds like he's trying to set himself up for a double vote victory. I gotta find a good plan and stick to it.

:phone:
 

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frozenmarsh751

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how so inferno? it allows town to control 3 kills while forcing scum to only contain 1. dont pull a toad and just give me this surface level "HERP oh **** lylo doublevote for the win!!" like do you have ANYTHING other than an el zv lynch? this **** gives a good fallback option
 

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how so inferno? it allows town to control 3 kills while forcing scum to only contain 1. dont pull a toad and just give me this surface level "HERP oh **** lylo doublevote for the win!!" like do you have ANYTHING other than an el zv lynch? this **** gives a good fallback option
Sure, how about you? Even from a surface level, PoE narrows it down to you, ZV, and Kryst by your own group of townies.

Well, substitute you for JTB but JTB's town.
 

frozenmarsh751

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well it doesnt matter at this point. we were heavily considering jtb but that plan will fall through with his newly announced kill-immune powers. we are forced to reevaluate

also your comment wrt the scumteam chasing el zv d1 (july in mp2) points to him even more of being a bad guy. so why cant he just die?
 

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@Everyone:

Say that if me, Inferno, and JTB are left alive, along with everyone of MiR/Fro/RR/ElZV except our lynch candidate (let it be Fro or ZV, and suppose they flip town), out of the remaining, who would be most likely to fall to a NK?

Alive:

Inferno
Krys
JTB
MiR
RR
ZV/Fro

Lynched:
ZV/Fro


If Scum kills me, Inferno, or JTB, that action will either result in their death as well, or fail altogether.

So they only can target Ryu, Toad, or Fro/ZV to avoid consequences.

If Toad is killed, we lose our most towny lookin' person, ZV or Fro remain with Ryu, the worst-looking towny ever.
If Fro/ZV is killed, we are down to Ryu and Toad = people will want Ryu dead.
If Ryu is killed, we are down to Fro/ZV and Toad, the biggest wifom fest if Fro is still alive.

If scum lies in me, Inferno, or JTB, what would you guys think would be the best course of action? Does anyone here have really super high doubts about my answer to the gambit? I even re-clarified my claim because at one point frozen questioned it as being OP I believe (which kinda makes me wonder why he did ...)
 

Krystedez

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Okay so Inferno's cleared for all intents and purposes. I assumed as such.

Who exactly targeted JTB again/or claimed to target him besides (I thought) you, MiR? anyone?

And, JTB, are you informed that you were targetted at all?

Also, my counter is not targetable, so I wonder if JTB hammering me would still die...
 

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So FroMar likes to claim he did so much great **** D1, that he was the most townie of townies, and that he helped to catch the great scum Meadow and Hep. Except he forgot that he was legitimately scummy D1, to the point where a wagon did form on him.

"Wait, that wagon was started by Meadowsizzle!" It also had stupidlyobvtown Bardull and BM on it. Meadow was, for better or worse, right. Now tie in what I said about Drew starting off on a bad foot getting pressured by Bardull and I. He got his *** called out for being the appeal guy. So he went to FroMar for the absolute right reasons and started trying for that lynch. Remember what I said about Drew wanting the town cred? 2+2=4

Problem is, Drew never got that case off. He kept saying he wanted to bury FroMar and I legitimately believe that if he did get to a computer, he would have. So let's analyze FroMar's play:

1. FroMar has some very, very convenient reads in the early game

Let's analyze his votes!

vote hepalien
First vote in the thread. Usually nothing major. The only thing I'd note is scum, in general, have a habit of voting their mates first off the bat for the subtle distancing at the start of the game. It never sticks.

But that's petty.

He then votes for ZV to put him at L-2, standard marshy, yadda

Then comes this:

vote inferno
This comes out of nowhere. He never really explains how he got to the inferno scum read and he goes about getting his wagon by telling Ruy and BM to proxy their votes to his. That's it. Inferno kinda shows up and ****s all over himself because he had to play suspicious to get his role to work. marshy play to his usual "i just wanna lynch *****es" meta.

For example:
Please just die Inferno. You will probably escape toDay due to the ****tyass ****ing obnoxious walls that are bound to come from MSizzle/Toad/ZV but I will be tunneling you until one of us dies.
I'm making note of this because it's distinctly lacking throughout the majority of this phase. In MP2, where marshy was sure he had caught me, he distinctively made many posts saying I should die multiple times. He was 100% committed to my death and kept on it. I don't remember too well if he did it in MP2 or not. I'm pretty sure he did. There's a distinct contrast between these games and it's worrying to me.

"But how is the Inferno read convenient? Get back to that, Laundry!" It's that he came out with it out of nowhere. No one else really had it. Not only that, Inferno's a really, really easy person to push as scum because he has a tendency to blow up and get himself lynched. That nearly happened here, saved only by a good vig claim. SOUNDS PRETTY CONVENIENT TO ME.

But. Then there's this exchange:

:rolleyes:

This vote is bull**** and a contender for worst post of the game. Everyone who is town should dislike HepAlien for this.
Lmfao @ HepAlien trying to link partners to Sho and then...voting someone other than Sho.

FOS: HepAlien
@Nabe/Jerkus:

Gimme a logic buttdecimating uppercut to the chin. Come at me bros.
Keep in mind, earlier up the page, he said he was about to do this until he realized it was Nabe and not Jerkus who made the post.

A) Why does it matter who posted
B) WHY DID YOU SUDDENLY DO IT ANYWAY?
C) WHY DID NO ONE CALL HIM ON THIS?

And that last quote is just strange.

dark horse is town
Convenient! Even Meadow, his own damn partner, agrees. When he gets called out for it, look at how he responds:

@ msizzle

ok. one of your questions was why i had dark horse as town. youre right that he may be "generic" and "safe" and i assume thats cuz hes generally going with town consensus and little else. dark horse doesnt strike me as someone who will start a wave in-game so its kind of what i would expect from him as town. every other game ive played with him where he was scum he just got gangbanged on like d1 each time. why is he a PRIORITY? why the **** would we vig him over useless *** raz? you and i both KNOW that raz will continue to do nothing but ****post and make ******** conclusions. remember mario party where he actually suggested lynching ran who may as well have been mod confirmed town? at worst we lose an awful player or scum. to be frank i think you just want to keep him around cuz raz is likely to gratuitously ****ride you hardbody and you want him as sheep. i dont remember your other question and am too lazy to search it
He says that DH isn't sticking his neck out and, for that, he's not scum. He's also not getting gangbanged D1, and he's not a priority. Are any of these reasons to call anyone town? No.

(Aside: that feeling you get when inferno has two accurate scumreads d1)

PART 2 NEXT

:186:
 

JTB

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Heres the original role from Chrono Trigger Mafia.

Frog-Heroic Townie

Click the image to open in full size.

Passive Abilities

Hero- You cannot be the target of Night Actions (good or bad). Any ability targetted on you will fail. You will not be notified.

Win Condition

You are town aligned and win when the town has an undeniable majority over everyone else or nothing can prevent this.
The wording of the passive was changed a bit for this game, but OS responded to me with a quote of my passive and said that's all the information I'm getting.
 

#HBC | Red Ryu

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If it works like when Beatstick put a mine on Circus to kill Ranmaru who was Superman pretty much the same role I would say so as well.

Krys how can you say toad looks the best? His play leading up to this with Kevin, and others were terrible bad.

Gonna wait for the full thing.

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2. FroMar has a curious way of doubling back on his own reads

It ain't just me, guys. After that wagon starts on Inferno, he just...drops it. Here, look:

Except all of your scumhunting is based off the wagon that I made. You should be thanking me. But it's okay. I shall feed on your flesh soon enough, Inscumno.

#YOLOOOOO

Vote: El ZV
WHY.

WHY?

IT MAKES NO BLOODY SENSE. DESPITE HAVING A HARDBODY READ ON INFERNO, HE JUST. DROPS IT. FOR ZV. BECAUSE RUY AND JOEY SAY IT'S OKAY? NO ****ING WAY. MARSHY IS NOT THAT SHEEPISH. FF IS NOT THAT SHEEPISH. I don't even care if he'll come back to this with "I HAD ZV AS SCUM" NO YOU ****ING DIDN'T. Your scumreads were Inferno and HepAlien at the time and unless you grab a ****ing quote saying "YO I HAD THIS READ D1," it's unprovable and worthless to me. You. just. joined. it. You dropped a scumread Inferno wagon for a wagon that Meadow went directly after and pushed hard despite clearly sitting on J harder and hep joined sometime later. ****. THAT. Such a scummy tactic. "I'mma lynch town because townbros are wrong and I can get away with it k"

no

Also that shot at Inferno is hilarious. If that's scumhunting and Inferno is right, why aren't you siding with him? You claim all the scumhunting he's done as your own but you refuse to look at what he's doing himself. What the flying ****?

Wanna know the best part?

Never compromise. Not even in the face of Armageddon. That's always been the difference between us, marshy.

Vote: Inferno3044
His own ****ing other head shows up and tells him off for being an idiot. Or it's him pretending to be frozen. Either way, he shows up, and doublebacks on what he said he'd do. Why?

The other time he does this just in D1 alone? HepAlien. Look at this ****: he starts by saying Hep is obvscum (out of barely anything, remember) and commits to him dying for the day.
No. Hep is NOT ****ing claiming. He's dying. Don't **** this up.

Toad keeps his vote on Hep. NO ONE ****ing vote Ran. Let's finish Inferno and call it a day before they claim and everyone gets cold feet.
Votes him:
So wait. Did our 7-Flush Votes on HepAlien go through? It lists our name but doesn't indicate that HepAlien is the one receiving votes. Can we get some clarification here?

At the very least ScumAlien is definitely ****ed outta this ***** so this day has successful with his grimy *** gone.

For good measure:

7-Flush Vote: HepAlien
But then later in the day:

7-Flush Vote Ranmaru

Aight yo.
Hilarious! He just blindly goes along with that vote because BM said we should do it. What happened to the "NO! If we let him escape he won't get ****ing lynched" thing? What happened to being concerned about how strong of a scum Hep would be? What happened to "HEP IS ****ING DYING TODAY?" What happened to all of that? He just. Switches. Off a whim of someone other than himself. Did he even have ran as scum? I can't ****ing tell.

BTW HepAlien I still hate you.
I MEAN COME THE **** ON.

BUT THEN, once we show back up, lost amidst my multiposting, is this:
7-Flush Vote: HepAlien
Goes right back. No problems, no explanation, no "whoops im dumb," just throws it back to Hep. Why? Why did he switch in the first place?

But then, at the end of the phase, just as Hep is about to get hammered:

i think im still voting hep? man his last post was so ****ing good and he was right about everything. WAY A MILLION better times than mr lynchs ****ty list
man...i am so sorry if you guys are town. these posts are better than everything mr lynch has said...
It's like he was open for Lynch getting flushed outta here or something.

Outside of that, just as the Meadow wagon was just about to hit completion, this all popped up:

sho will be ****ed outta hear soon enough :dark:

most likely by
DA HARDBODY CREW!!!
SHO IS SCUM GUYS

whats the votecount?
It's like he wanted to save Meadow or something.

:186:

Parts 3 and 4 will come probably tomorrow.
 

#HBC | Red Ryu

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So you lynching scum means you get a free pass off later play and you can't be scum that is just unaligned with them, like an Indy.
 
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