OS All-Stars: Game over! TOWN WINS!

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I hate that your making me reread earlier.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

i had a REALLY hard time rationalizing that ruy vote from a town perspective nabe

anyway doc is on me **** everyone elses opinion in this game

Does this matter at all Toad?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

actually i might be cool with getting copped? means i probably get to live for once

Then he says this after implied to be scum with him?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Man Bardull you trying to claim credit like that is just being a ****.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

FrozenMarshy, I targeted you tonight and I need you to claim before I out my results.

Not gonna lie this doesn't look like indy play with what follows, I don't see an indy outing themselves like this.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

unvote

Need to reread a whole lot more.

 

[Make it Rain!]

Then he says this after implied to be scum with him?

So he flips indy, ligaf. He's scum regardless.

PART 3 INBOUND.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I have a hard time him play how he has as indy play.

 

[Make it Rain!]

I can't heads or tails of that sentence.

 

[Make it Rain!]

@Laundry, second faction is probably three members, think Super Heroes. Or two with a role from TT. Indy is probably a town role turned indy, Ryker was Kefka so roles definitely shifting all over the place as I said earlier.

It's been fun, peace all.

I was wondering where the **** Ruy got the double factions **** from.

Yeh, DH ****s all over Nabe's WIFOM. :r

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

hard time seeing his play as indy.

 

[Make it Rain!]

STILL FREAKING RAINING

>>

So now that we've addressed his somewhat convenient reads as well as his stupid issues, let's look at FroMar's jumpiness whenever he got called out for ****. D1 he had a wagon form on him from Meadowsizzle jumping on him. We'll come back to that interaction itself in a minute but right now, I want to also highlight how ****ing defensive FroMar was for no particular reason.

For example, when he got called out by Drew with Cheebs still voting him from early in the phase and I think BM joining that wagon, we get this as a response:

> itt

inferno plays like scum

> itt

i wagon him for ****tyass posts

> itt

he turns around and says "it was all par of my master plan to play like scum and catch scum "

> itt

i am scum for wagoning his *** for playing like scum which he himself has admitted

you are awesome inferno. im so glad we have you as a vig in this game

This post might be the most incriminating one I've seen all-game from him. Go back and check the context. Check it again just to be sure. See what's missing? Someone calling him scum for pushing Inferno.

NO ONE DID. Except Chibo way, way, way early and that was for voting Inferno with no explanation, which was just one example illustrating Chibo's point. Yet he strawmans the entire argument and suddenly jumps to the conclusion that wagoning Inferno is why everyone thinks he's scum. That's shady.

And then there's also this:

youre whack

you think im scum. sure. who else?

no. shut the **** up ******* ****** bardull. hep JUST ADMITTED that im unaligned with him

im not saying im clear just unaligned. but i dont think this is too important atm

cop should hit an inactive piece of **** who will NEVER help us do anything for endgame purposes

SHOOT J BTW STILL SCUM

Why is he making such a big deal about how he's unaligned?

P.S. I wish Sho was kept alive, I kinda wish I had his case on him now.

 

[frozenmarsh751]

MiR, I seriously don't know what your ****ing problem is. If you're town, you're ****ing trying to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. You are ****ING THROWING THIS GAME OUT THE WINDOW WASTING YOUR TIME BY TRYING TO CREATE SOMETHING OUT OF NOTHING, SPEADING FUD, AND TRUSTING YOUR ****ING PARANOIA OVER BASIC LOGIC THAT MINIMIZES OUR CHANCES OF GETTING ****ED.

Like, I literally have no other words. You should be ****ing ashamed of yourself if you are town. If you blow this, I can't ****ing wait to remind you of how ****ing bad you are at this game. Like, just wow.

How is it exactly that people hear the claims of Crono, a role that causes scum attempting to NK him to get killed and force a 1-1 trade, AND the claim of frog, a ****ing FULL TIME BULLETPROOF TOWNIE (allegedly) and not blink a ****ing eye.

These two roles together in the game ****ing game up against a standard mafia (which is all we've seen so far) is ****ing OP as hell. Just saying. I think OS is a bit better of a game designer than that. These two just don't make sense together in a game.

I also love how while MiR is spending all his time and energy trying to throw this game by searching for bits a pieces to make his paranoid fantasy a reality, ElZv sits and does nothing. JTB sits and does nothing. Basically everyone in this game is sitting around doing nothing waiting for the game to move in a direction without actually putting any effort into doing so. SOUNDS LIKE SCUM JUST WAITING FOR AN EASY WAGON TO JUMP ON FOR A FREE PASS TO LYLO.

Use the ****ing behavior and facts in front of you people. Marshy and I have not been ****ing duping you the whole goddamn game. You honestly think we wouldn't bussed 2 scum on the first ****ing day? Like FFS, one re-read with selective, biased searching for "pro-Fromar scum" context will tell you we're ****ing town. We've been more townie than most ****ing people in this game.

What we ought to be doing, as Marshy and I have said plenty of times, is culling the heard and building an ideal LyLo for our WORST CASE SCENARIO. I highly ****ing doubt we'll even get to that point, because I'm pretty ****ing certain our last scum is among ElZv, JTB, Krys, and Inferno.

If we go through with our plan, we can guarantee that ElZv, JTB, and Krys DON'T make it to LyLo. THIS IS A ****ING GOOD THING. Zv has done **** but coast all game. JTB hasn't been much better. Neither has Krys. Why in gods name would we want to let them have that free pass?

On top of that, our plan FORCE their claims to ****ing check out. If Krys is lying, THIS PLAN OUTS AND KILLS HIM. If JTB is lying, this plan OUTS AND KILLS HIM. If Inferno isn't actually town and doesn't follow our plan because he's scared of the lylo we're building, THIS PLAN PUTS HIM IN A TIGHT SPOT. There are so many ****ing benefits to this plan its like mind numbingly frustrating that no one agrees with us to ****ing do it.

THIS PLAN ELIMINATES QUESTIONMARKS AND ALLOWS US TO BUILD A GUARANTEED 3 MAN LYLO OF OUR CHOOSING! And that ****ing assumes the WORST CASE which is none of the people we off here are scum(remember, we're killing these people now for a reason, their ****ing scummy and IMO likely to contain the last straggler). In all likelihood, we WILL nail the last scum, and its ****ing GG right there and we don't even have to GO to lylo.

So let me walk y'all through the plan again. And don't just ****ing write it off. Like actually think about it and understand my rationale here.

We lynch Kryst. If he's lying and scum, he's donezo. We have no other way of testing to see if he's lying without massive risk, AND even if he's telling the truth, his ability helps us. Here's why.

We have JTB hammer. JTB's claim not only doesnt make sense with Kryst's in the game, but it's too risky to keep around. No one can check him out to see if he's legit. We can't vig him. The only way we can deal with him is lynch or this counter mechanic. WE CAN CHECK BOTH ROLES THAT HAVE TENSION WITH ONE ANOTHER RIGHT HERE AND NOW AND CLEAR UP ALL THAT BULL****. We don't want untestable questionmarks in LyLo if we even have to go there.

Before JTB hammers we have ElZv vote infern. ElZv has been a ****ing waste all game. Honestly I think him and JTB are the scummiest players still alive. Coasty as ****. We have Infern vig the **** out of him. Do you seriously want someone who's done literally nothing all game even having a CHANCE to be in LyLo? like give me a ****ing break.

That leaves Us, MiR, RR, and Infern. Assuming we haven't already won, one of us goes bye bye and we have a 3 man LyLo. Chances are, scum are going to kill us because they'll want to have the advantage of forcing town to unanimously vote against them in order for them (the scum) to lose. If marsh and I figure out who the last scummy is we can end it alone, and scum probably doesn't want that. Scream WIFOM all you want, but that's just the fact of the matter.

Point is ANY combination of 3 from that list of 4 is going create a FAR better LyLo with FAR fewer question marks than ANY other plan we can go with at this point. If we even go to LyLo after executing this plan, which I seriously ****ing don't even think will happen because scum will be in the 3 people we merc today/tonight, everyone is in a much better evaluative position. You'll be dealing with people who have roles we've confirmed or atleast have a better idea about than the coasty mo****as that I want to kill here. You'll be dealing with FAR more active players with BIGGER paper trails to check up on to make the final decision.

Like seriously ****ing ask yourself, do you REALLY want to be in LyLo with JTB, Kryst, or ElZv? Like ****ing seriously?

If you're town, man the **** up and let's be logical here. This plan eliminates the most number of question marks in the game and gives us townies the most capacity to control our endgame if it even GETS that far.

 

[frozenmarsh751]

Bad, bad typos, wow. Paragraph 6 should read as follows:

Use the ****ing behavior and facts in front of you people. Marshy and I have not been ****ing duping you the whole goddamn game. You honestly think we would've bussed 2 scum on the first ****ing day? Like FFS, one re-read without selective, biased searching for "pro-Fromar scum" context will tell you we're ****ing town. We've been more townie than most ****ing people in this game.

Corrections in italics.

 

[frozenmarsh751]

lmfao

toads case is the most gargantuan piece of **** i have ever seen in my life

like

if ryker made a case

and then cello made a case

and the overswarm made a case

and they all simultaneously vomited and smushed it together with their triple-****** bull**** case

it would probably read like toads most recent posts

 

[frozenmarsh751]

i doubt toad is mafia. the way dhorse quickly called him town along with sho points to dhorse just pulling townreads out of his *** in early game interactions for towncred/buddy credibility later on. indy at worst. i honestly hope so. i dont like to think they are truly this atrocious

 

[frozenmarsh751]

know what sucks?

if toad gets his ****** mislynch in today

he will HAVE to pull a 180 for the millionth time when the game goes to mylo because there is NO WAY in **** that scum would ever nightkill him. theyll just leave him around and watch him flounder in the horrible awful ****tyass scum favoring garbage heinous disgusting endgame they will have created cuz ruy (99.99% TOWN HERPDERP NVM FLIP FLOP HIS PLAY IS *** I THINK HES SCUM DESPITE BLATANT EVIDENCE DICTATING OTHERWISE) will continue to be a terrible play and he will just be stuck with a bunch of coasters he is whiteknighting for gorf awful reasons that help no one but scum

request el zv prod

 

[Krystedez]

I've been saying JTB is a variable beyond belief...

Also are you completely ignorant of the fact that I on-the-spot claimed at Bard's super gambit? Why would I lie about my role? The only thing was coming back to clarify that I didn't have the ability to kill someone unless they kill me with a NK or hammer. If you really want me lynched, then put JTB on hammer-status for sure, because I am coalligned with that thought; otherwise just outright hammer JTB and let ZV hammer him, so that you can get rid of the two of them. I've outright done more as a whole than the two of them this whole game.

Also I'm not the worst candidate for Lylo, considering in LoM I had both remaining scum pinned. I just got ****ed over by horribad-self-destructing town players.

 

[Krystedez]

I want to wait until

1.) ZV posts

2.) MiR responds

3.) Ryu rereads and posts

4.) JTB posts.

Hopefully in that order.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Now that Fromar kind of reponded to it, MiR your case is a large chunk of reaching.

Show me it is possible and Probable, Probable being the important one.

 

[JTB]

I could've done my reread today, but I got sidetracked and played league most of the day instead. I'll respond to stuff now, but the reread will have to wait until after work tomorrow.

 

[JTB]

well it doesnt matter at this point. we were heavily considering jtb but that plan will fall through with his newly announced kill-immune powers. we are forced to reevaluate

Ok, what the ****? Why the hell are you acting like I just came up with this out of nowhere when my role could've easily been checked by anyone who took the time to bother to do so? I'm sorry I didn't copy paste my role pm so you would know exactly what it is, but I certainly didn't make vague enough that people couldn't check the past role.

2 neighborizers is certainly possible. its kind of like how in chrono trigger both frog and crono as town existed when they both have "everyone who targets these mother****ers die" qualities to them

So why the hell do you say this, then bring up how Krys and I cannot exist in the same game? So suddenly either myself or him are scum because you have outguessed the mod and deduced we are of differing alignments? Are you ****ing kidding me?

I've been saying JTB is a variable beyond belief...

Also are you completely ignorant of the fact that I on-the-spot claimed at Bard's super gambit? Why would I lie about my role? The only thing was coming back to clarify that I didn't have the ability to kill someone unless they kill me with a NK or hammer. If you really want me lynched, then put JTB on hammer-status for sure, because I am coalligned with that thought; otherwise just outright hammer JTB and let ZV hammer him, so that you can get rid of the two of them. I've outright done more as a whole than the two of them this whole game.

Also I'm not the worst candidate for Lylo, considering in LoM I had both remaining scum pinned. I just got ****ed over by horribad-self-destructing town players.

WOW CAN YOU PLEASE GO DIE IN A ****ING FIRE

 

[JTB]

theres so much more i want to post now that ive read, but i have to be awake for work in less than 5 hours

so dont throw the game while im gone please

 

[frozenmarsh751]

1. Ok, what the ****? Why the hell are you acting like I just came up with this out of nowhere when my role could've easily been checked by anyone who took the time to bother to do so? I'm sorry I didn't copy paste my role pm so you would know exactly what it is, but I certainly didn't make vague enough that people couldn't check the past role.



2. So why the hell do you say this, then bring up how Krys and I cannot exist in the same game? So suddenly either myself or him are scum because you have outguessed the mod and deduced we are of differing alignments? Are you ****ing kidding me?

1. my laziness knows no bounds. there is a reason i have at least 2 month-old setups needing to be reviewed in my inbox and half of my posts this dayphase have been signed with #skimminghardbody

2. dissonance between the halves. you gotta keep in mind that i (marshy) recently looked at the op of chrono trigger to see if both frog/crono were town when krys mentioned that. they were. frozen did not have this knowledge so almost anyone who sees 2 roles like that coexist without prior knowledge of ct mafia will state that its bizarre

 

[frozenmarsh751]

Now that marshy answered your Qs JTB, here's my take:

1.) Sure, we can go back and check that role, but that doesn't answer our ****ing question when we want to know ALL OF THE SPECIFIC DETAILS OF YOUR ROLE. OS said specifically that some roles had been changed. We don't know what roles have been changed, and to what extent they've been changed. I don't give a flying **** what the original Frog from CT mafia had as its abilities. I want to hear from your ****ing mouth exactly what the **** you will testify your role does, period. It's not on us to figure out what your role does when we ask for a FULL DISCLOSURE CLAIM. What matters is what YOU say you can do, because then YOU are on the hook for that. I can't even beleive marshy was even the least bit apologetic about this.

2.) This is somewhat dissonance between us but you need to look at what I wrote a little more closely. Ya know that whole point I made about how the two together in the same game doesn't make sense when up against a STANDARD MAFIA FACTION? Yeah, that's ****ing important. Believe it or not, I did look at the CT mafia setup. And believe it or not, the town in CT mafia WAS NOT UP AGAINST JUST A STANDARD MAFIA FACTION. They were up against some strange indies with very unconvention wincons. In fact, even the mafia faction was pretty decently nontypical. So yeah, arguing "lol they existed together as town in CT mafia durrrhurrrr" is ****ing bogus because CT mafias design and thus balance is fundamentally different from this game, based on what we've seen and know.

 

[frozenmarsh751]

itt: frozenmarsh out argues himself

/brofist

 

[frozenmarsh751]

ITT: frozenmarsh, much like X and Zero, despite having their differences, can still team up to hardbody the **** outta scumz

/brofist

 

[frozenmarsh751]

lol

man seriously what the mother**** is up with toad today. this is like celebrity rehab where os/rajam flipped out on obvtown kevin for no ****ing reason right as the game reached a head. gorfdamn

 

[JTB]

I can't sleep, so I'll be in this thread for a while.

First off, my issue with you about my claim is not that you didn't check CT mafia for my role, but rather when I said I was immune to lethal actions, you responded in a tone sounded like I had just pulled that out of my ***. That really grinds my gears since it shouldn't had come as a surprise.

Second, about my role and Krys' role not being able to co-exist. Where the **** am I arguing that we are both town because they co-existed in a previous game? I was pointing out an INCONSISTENCY in what you have posted because you had previously
demonstrated an example in which they are both town, then jumped to the conclusion that they can't exist both as town in this game. I'll yield to the fact that balance is different between the two games, but we literally have no idea what abilities Hep/DH/Meadow had, thus to argue that we both can't exist because of balance is a reaching point.

 

[frozenmarsh751]

k sure why not (marshy half speaking frozen might have more). honestly i just want a better handle on where your head is at

 

[Make it Rain!]

Let's do this the easy way:

I don't want your role in endgame.

vote: FroMar

 

[Make it Rain!]

Wow, I skimmed it just now and it didn't even respond to anything, just went over his bull**** plan that I still disagree with for the obvious reason that it hinges on ****ing Kryst being scum.

 

[Make it Rain!]

I mean, wow, you look at JTB and Kryst's roles as having tension, yet flat-out ignore the ****ing masonizer/neighborizer existing?

Oh wait, you think ZV's scum.

ZV, the guy the entire scumteam tried to lynch hardbody.

ZV.

REALLY?

 

[Make it Rain!]

Like, I get you want to eliminate question marks. I understand that angle. The thing is, you're not looking hard enough at what Kryst ****ing claimed. Of the two, JTB's is so much the more suspicious but outside of his claim, JTB's played a gogdamn townie game. Like, straight out of the usual town handbook. Kryst claimed his role straight from the on-set of Bardull's gambit. He either is the quickest ****ing thinker and went to a huge amount of trouble to research every OS set-up to find the perfect safeclaim for any situation JUST IN CASE, or (much more likely) he's what he ****ing claimed.

So, no, I'm not ****ing lynching them. I plan on rereading a-****ing-gain just for posterity but I refuse to ****ing lynch either of those players and Inferno. I refuse to believe ZV is mafia. He is, at worst, indy. There's still something out there ****ing killing people not named Inferno. PoE has it down to you or Ruy. Ruy has a ****ing clear going for him.

THUS LEAVES YOU, THE CONFIRMED MULTI-SHOT DOUBLEVOTER TRYING TO LYNCH A CLAIMED VENGEFUL TO SET UP A 4-MAN LYLO. Are you ******** or do you clearly not see how ****ing awful that sounds?

 

[frozenmarsh751]

ive asked you this before: take the scumgoggles off for half a second and tell me who from my pov is spose to be the last member of the team?

and toad the last scums were on the kevin wagon. you literally have "ruy has a clear" and "it leaves you and ruy by poe" in the same sentence. i really do not give a **** about your poe at this point. you said the same **** about kevin yesterday "no one else fits" and im not enthused about your inevitable shift of opinion should you get my mislynch through

boutta go to sleep. frozen might get to the rest and i have a long workday tomorrow

 

[Make it Rain!]

Now that Fromar kind of reponded to it, MiR your case is a large chunk of reaching.

Show me it is possible and Probable, Probable being the important one.

And? Look at my last post, do you need much more of a reason than hat? Who the **** cares about posting the rest of it. I'll give you the short hand version of the rest:

He's coasted the whole ****ing game himself. His entire time, he's just followed BM and Ruy, two of the absolute worst readers on a consistent basis for the reason they're his townbros. He never stuck to his own ****ing **** (i.e., nearly left Inferno, left Hep 7Flush at BM's switch). He's constantly hinged on my insanity for some ****ing reason. He keeps asking me for **** but rarely posts anything himself. There's absolutely no ****ing direction from that slot. Today is the first day he's really pushed anything and EVEN THEN HE REFUSES TO ACTUALLY VOTE FOR IT. He keeps looking for the popular ****ing opinion. It pisses me off.

He also, still, makes statements but refuses to explain why he's come to those conclusions. Like, JTB's scum because he's coasting? He always ****ing coasts, it's what he does, look at what he says instead. He somehow came to the conclusion Kryst is scum out of ****ing nowhere. He came to the conclusion Ran was scum out of ****ing nowhere and clung to it to the death of Mr. Lynch. WHERE DOES HE GET THESE? WHY DOES HE GET THESE? HE OUTS NOTHING HE THINKS. Like, where the **** did that Ruy read come from and why the **** does he have it?

When Meadow posted that initial scumFroMar read, he said that he was scum but couldn't peg his buddies. Either that screams of a ****ing bus or that meadow thought he was an indy. That's a bridge-burning move if I've ever seen one (yes I'm taking Meadow's indyhunting seriously, he had just as much motivation as I to find it).

 

[Make it Rain!]

ive asked you this before: take the scumgoggles off for half a second and tell me who from my pov is spose to be the last member of the team?

I can understand your perspective. You refuse to understand ours.

and toad the last scums were on the kevin wagon. you literally have "ruy has a clear" and "it leaves you and ruy by poe" in the same sentence. i really do not give a **** about your poe at this point. you said the same **** about kevin yesterday "no one else fits" and im not enthused about your inevitable shift of opinion should you get my mislynch through

I really do not give a **** about your PoV at the moment but I'm hearing you out. Your entire point of view is entirely based around activity. That's it. You don't have reads, you're just saying "THESE PLAYERS ARE QUESTION MARKS" when they're actually ****ing not. You just keep that option open because, hey, it's an option everyone will agree on, right?

 

[frozenmarsh751]

one more quickhit (havent read toads latest posts of inevitable wrongness): frozen deadlines in a few days and toad has obnoxiously set up this ****ing argument in a way that forces me to be thorough in my response in but i most likely just do not have the time. jtb will keep johning about work and el zv will continue to do nothing. krys is part of the plan. inferno refuses to even try to understand our plan and just says lynch zv which doesnt even ****ing make sense considering his n1 masonizer use and the fact that our plan maximizes town directed kills while minimizing scums which is an inherently good idea. just understand that we might have to take ourselves out to get one of the targets before toad ****ing throws the game for town. i am fine with this

 

[frozenmarsh751]

like i just skimmed his latest posts what a mistake

like he blames us for disliking jtbs coasting yet constantly asks "BUT WHYYY" when i never explain ****. jtbs meta gives him a pass but mine doesnt. utterly ****ing ridiculous and this argumentation is just horrid. not necessarily scummy. just horrid. straight up ****ing horrid. he is using ******* rykers arguments that apply to el zvs slot just as much to ours. worst thing about mafia man: ******* mother****ers throwing the game when its on the line. see: erb/mp2/g3s2/celebrity rehab/etc.

 

[Overswarm]

EL ZV has been prodded