FoosJr
Smash Ace
Right on thanks for updating guys I think t!mmy should be above me still but yeah it'll happen sonner or later or something remember this is the begining of the PR list guys so it's bound to be a little off.
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Oregon Power Rankings: Updated 02/04/08
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If I'm not playing well for a reason I'll respect that other people are observant enough to see it without me using it as a john. If not, then I don't care because they're clearly not able to appraise others' abilities to any degree.
But what I'm wondering is why you said that I'm making "irrational shots at the list". Obviously the progression of the list is what is irrational if I drop to 6th place for being unable to compete in one tournament while Lucius moves up to 3rd for being unable to compete in the same tournament.
No one bother shifting blame to my ego due to the reason that the player in question dropping in rank is myself. As a Kirby player I'm surprised to even be on the list. I want to bring attention to the fact that 4th and 5th place players both missed the same tournament and are then shifted to 3rd and 6th placement.
Quoted for truth. I'm a smash player, not just a Kirby player.
I don't know why it's been updated it has either. Agreed Foos needed to go up, but I don't know anyone who has been playing in our community for long who would agree he would be ranked higher than t1mmy.
One thing I'd like to ask is why MCS is dropped for missing like two events and other people aren't for missing more. The only reason to drop someone is if they've been inactive for so long it'd make it unreasonable to try to guess where they'd stand in how they'd play in matchups, for instance Ratking, Dawg, and Kevvviiinnn. They're probably still good players, but who knows how they'd play against OoS players looking to play us in OR.
I keep hearing the PRL is made up of more than just tournament results, but comparing results and the PRL shows an overbearing use of results, which skews accurate player standings. This might be due to the lack of PR discussion versus fun with spam. Let's see more focus on discussion, there's a lot of other OR threads to spam, guys X^D
(gives a shrug to update)
One thing I'd like to ask is why MCS is dropped for missing like two events and other people aren't for missing more. The only reason to drop someone is if they've been inactive for so long it'd make it unreasonable to try to guess where they'd stand in how they'd play in matchups, for instance Ratking, Dawg, and Kevvviiinnn. They're probably still good players, but who knows how they'd play against OoS players looking to play us in OR.
I keep hearing the PRL is made up of more than just tournament results, but comparing results and the PRL shows an overbearing use of results, which skews accurate player standings. This might be due to the lack of PR discussion versus fun with spam. Let's see more focus on discussion, there's a lot of other OR threads to spam, guys X^D
(gives a shrug to update)
The reason Lucius moved up (but really stayed where he was) and you moved down, Timmy, was because he actually was at the tournament before SF:E Winter, and although he didn't compete, he still showed up.
Besides that though, it was mostly a compromise of the lists that we came up with for the update.
You coulda been a panelist Timmy. You had it. If you had been things would definitely be a bit smoother at least in your view. IMO don't whine about your placement when you had the chance to have quite a big say in the whole matter.
Tommy, I clearly said why MCS was dropped when other players weren't. It's due to inactivity combined with a lack of interest.
Besides that though, it was mostly a compromise of the lists that we came up with for the update.
You coulda been a panelist Timmy. You had it. If you had been things would definitely be a bit smoother at least in your view. IMO don't whine about your placement when you had the chance to have quite a big say in the whole matter.
Tommy, I clearly said why MCS was dropped when other players weren't. It's due to inactivity combined with a lack of interest.
And although I didn't compete in SF:E, I still showed up.
Please don't say I'm whining about my placement, especially after I stated otherwise. I'm pointing out the inconsistency of two players showing up and not feeling well enough to compete but one moving into 3rd and the other moving into 6th.
Climax11
Smash Ace
I thought that when the list was first started (and I may be wrong) that I read somewhere (either the front page or a post) that the list was being based off the point where it started (or atleast starting at the SF:E prior to it's initiation), and not taking all the years worth of past tournaments into consideration for placement?
So in that sense...saying "people know so and so is better than so and so"...well...some people in oregon just don't know who so and so. But they do know tournament results. Really I figure that's why the majorly factor into the list. But whatever, it's just a list
Wikipedia
Smash Lord
I have to admit, Timmy's logic is pretty good.
jankerrific
Smash Journeyman
this is a new list, there have not been consistent tournaments lately, things will work out give it some time. yadayada.
maybe foos is better than timmy and the panelist really felt that way, i dont know. wait til the next tournament and see what happens. now people are actually starting to care about how well they do and where they place even if they hate the rankings. this prl sounds successful to me.
maybe foos is better than timmy and the panelist really felt that way, i dont know. wait til the next tournament and see what happens. now people are actually starting to care about how well they do and where they place even if they hate the rankings. this prl sounds successful to me.
This has been said for months, so it's pretty pointless to keep using that john when Brawl comes out in 31 days.
The point of having panelists is that they recognize players based on skill, regardless of consistent tournaments or lack of consistent tournament. I don't see that happening. Peach Masta and Foos should have been bumped up the list a long time ago for instance. Why did the panelists have to wait to give recognition to these players? When are discussions taking place? Why are these discussions not available for the rest of the community to see? I think it's time these very basic questions and concepts necessary for a complete PR List be addressed. This is no longer a "new" thing that's "in the works".
This is why I stated every recognized Oregon player should have a say in the list. lol even Foos said t1mmy should be above him, and you'd be hard-pressed to find an OR player who would disagree.
List should reflect the community, not tournament standings, we could just look up that information in the tournament threads otherwise.
List should reflect the community, not tournament standings, we could just look up that information in the tournament threads otherwise.
Wikipedia
Smash Lord
You contradict yourself, if it is based on tournament results then tell us in which tournament Foos placed higher than Timmy. Also, didn't Andy beat Venusgospel? Why is Venusgospel higher?
And I thought you guys look at not only how high someone places but who they had to beat to get there. Kefka may have placed higher than Ronin and I but he only beat one more person and he wasn't even ranked. How did you guys decide that Ronin was better than me when we have never played in a tournament and we placed exactly the same for the past 3 tournaments.
Saying something doesn't matter when you end up doing something else completely.
I would like to see the panelist discussions on how the players are ranked and why, even if in recapitulation. I would also like to see on what criteria players are ranked.
Yes, community input would include tournaments, the community puts on tournaments, but if you need anymore clarifying I will do my best to do so.
PRL isn't based on tournaments soley, but it is updated after every tournament and always reflects the placing of the people in tournaments and will drop people who have not attended a tournament within a short period of time.
One of the biggest reasons to have a PRL is to inform competitive OoS players who they'd want to play against instead of wasting their time on newbies or non-advanced players. If someone asked me who to play in Oregon for a good challenge I'd point them in the direction of Mystery Chris, and he is not even ranked, so it's not an accurate reflection.
I don't ever hear from Kenpachi, Juce, or Eggz, could you please disclose discourse on this list?
Also, if players drop off the list because of inactivity, shouldn't the more active players be Panelists and drop when they're not active? I know Minh already dropped, but that was by his choice. Maybe Peach Masta would be a good Panelist since he is more active in both posting and tournaments than others.
PRL isn't based on tournaments soley, but it is updated after every tournament and always reflects the placing of the people in tournaments and will drop people who have not attended a tournament within a short period of time.
One of the biggest reasons to have a PRL is to inform competitive OoS players who they'd want to play against instead of wasting their time on newbies or non-advanced players. If someone asked me who to play in Oregon for a good challenge I'd point them in the direction of Mystery Chris, and he is not even ranked, so it's not an accurate reflection.
I don't ever hear from Kenpachi, Juce, or Eggz, could you please disclose discourse on this list?
Also, if players drop off the list because of inactivity, shouldn't the more active players be Panelists and drop when they're not active? I know Minh already dropped, but that was by his choice. Maybe Peach Masta would be a good Panelist since he is more active in both posting and tournaments than others.
jankerrific
Smash Journeyman
i skipped basically everything on this page, but i caught that foos and peach masta should have been moved up a long time ago. i disagree... it was not until VERY recently that gage blossomed into the beautiful butterfly of a smasher that he is, and foos was definitely good, but did not stand out as much as he now does.
i also caught that and OoS player would be directed to play MCS. good luck with that, minh goes to the same school as him and even has a class together and cannot get him to play. mcs is very very inactive. i think he is incredible for his level of dedication and amount of time playing, but he just doesnt care and is totally unavailable.
minh and mcs should not be ranked because of inactivity. well not so much minh, but he wanted off i think. either way it leaves room for the people that really want it, and if minh and chris want back in they will attend a tournament and lay on the rapsies.
i also caught that and OoS player would be directed to play MCS. good luck with that, minh goes to the same school as him and even has a class together and cannot get him to play. mcs is very very inactive. i think he is incredible for his level of dedication and amount of time playing, but he just doesnt care and is totally unavailable.
minh and mcs should not be ranked because of inactivity. well not so much minh, but he wanted off i think. either way it leaves room for the people that really want it, and if minh and chris want back in they will attend a tournament and lay on the rapsies.
FoosJr
Smash Ace
Yeah MCS has quit smash. and as for Minh I haven't talked to him in a while about smash. I thought it was a good idea to get MCS off the list because he hasn't been to any tournaments in a long time. The last tournament I remeber seeing him at was the one that Riot held in portland.
Climax11
Smash Ace
looks like mihns comming to the fb, so we might have to launch him back on after next weekend.
Peach Masta
Smash Lord
Now you are speaking the truth
Climax11
Smash Ace
whoa i didn't even know foosjr was interested. Five pannelists? I guess that would make for easy tie breakers.
jankerrific
Smash Journeyman
both make me laugh, i say why not.
3 is adequate but obviously people are still finding something to QQ about.
3 is adequate but obviously people are still finding something to QQ about.
Wikipedia
Smash Lord
Ah, jeez, I meant Ronin not Ronike. I play mafia games in the forum games and there is someone there named Ronike that I constantly banter so I just got used to typing his name.
Yay! I miss Minh (and his hot asian bod). This is about as cool as the last Dojo update.
I think they'd both do well as panelists, and I'm sure they'd appreciate the position. I vote 'aye'.
Juce
Smash Ace
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I vote yes on both Peach Masta and Foos being panelists. They both know what they're talking about.
I would say MCS would be removed from inactivity, but you guys must have forgotten he was at the recent OSU III event. There was something about him coming to SF:E Winter, but him, OC George, and Minh had an appointment with Dr. JOHNS.
I would say MCS would be removed from inactivity, but you guys must have forgotten he was at the recent OSU III event. There was something about him coming to SF:E Winter, but him, OC George, and Minh had an appointment with Dr. JOHNS.
cuz it obv
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