Theanimator10
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I am currently working on an animation for Geno but it may take a bit of time to complete.
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Yeah it's interesting to see the mental gymnastics people perform when it comes to Geno. I've seen people claim that he's a non-important part of SMRPG, that he's from an obscure game, and that he's a "bad OC". Whatever that means.when you have to call geno a side character because you're salty he's getting attention
Yeah, let's just focus on what we love rather than what others dislike.Yeah, people aren't giving Geno, Mallow, and SMRPG in general a very fair view, but we should stay positive and patient about this campaign. It will pay off
But he IS actually a side character though. Yoshi, Toad, Luigi, Rosalina are all considered side characters in the Mario series so Geno would be too.when you have to call geno a side character because you're salty he's getting attention
Pretty much. Sure, in SMRPG, he and Mallow are two of the five main protagonists, but if they were to be in any other Mario series game or spinoff, they would be classified as side characters. It's much like a Luigi and Yoshi situation where they are still side characters, even if protagonists in their own games.But he IS actually a side character though. Yoshi, Toad, Luigi, Rosalina are all considered side characters in the Mario series so Geno would be too.
Word of warning, do NOT read the comments section unless you want an eyeful ofThis just in: the campaign has become newsworthy to Nintendo Life!
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20...mario_rpgs_geno_and_mallow_in_online_petition
And no, Ryan, Waluigi not being playable here has nothing to do with whether anyone asks for him via petition or not, he's a comic relief NPC until further notice.
You’re on to something.This just in: the campaign has become newsworthy to Nintendo Life!
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20...mario_rpgs_geno_and_mallow_in_online_petition
And no, Ryan, Waluigi not being playable here has nothing to do with whether anyone asks for him via petition or not, he's a comic relief NPC until further notice.
I've been in that particular camp so I can shed some light on my own perspective at least if you're genuinely interested:A bit off topic, but where did the sudden Geno hate come from? It spread like wild fire. Lots of people are suddenly rooting against Geno.
I see what you did thereKampaign
I see it like Rocky taking on Apollo Creed for the first time. Can you succeed? Not necessarily, but at the very least, ought to make the distance, so you can let people know that you fought to the limit and very end.It seems the NL coverage has officially doubled the numbers on the campaign, as we've reached the 500 milestone at 526 supporters. Way to go, y'all!
Addressing some further points:
Skepticism over whether the campaign will succeed is 100% healthy. After all, Rainfall and Moonfall are only two of many campaigns that managed to succeed against all odds. However, the lack of willingness to speak up and organize large projects as a result means that nothing will likely get done. Fighting for that small chance as opposed to allowing zero chance of it happening is a step up. Even if it's a very uphill battle, it legitimately does not hurt to try. After all, the massive outcry has already made NoA acknowledge SMRPG after years of being out of the radar. It got us spirits and a Mii costume in Smash. It got SMRPG re-released three times on the Wii, Wii U, and SNES Classic.
If we already have that momentum, we may be able to make use of it. If we don't do anything about it, then nothing will get done. Why stop now?
Another point I'd like to address is the older audience vs. younger audience debate. People who believe SMRPG's love is relegated only to people who grew up with the game or people who 'jumped on the bandwagon for Smash' are entirely off-the-mark. I've seen a lot of younger fans who played the VC releases, the SNES Classic release, or even played the game through Other Means™. There is actually quite a bit of a healthy audience of young people who know who Geno and Mallow are. Limiting it to just the SNES days is what people shortsightedly did over K. Rool, yet the Kampaign brought a lot of the younger fans out of the woodwork. K. Rool getting into Smash only increased the voices of those who were younger and were fans. Not all fans are that vocal, after all.
Will I be angry at Nintendo or Square if this doesn't succeed? No, because that will be actually entitled behavior. They are businesses first and foremost, and if a business takes a path that isn't fan-demanded, that is understandable. However, I will be happy in knowing that we, at the very least, tried instead of letting a chance slip through our fingers, even if only a perceived chance.
Should be noted Nintendo denied that Rainfall did anything. But personally, I think that was a Macho thing.It seems the NL coverage has officially doubled the numbers on the campaign, as we've reached the 500 milestone at 526 supporters. Way to go, y'all!
Addressing some further points:
Skepticism over whether the campaign will succeed is 100% healthy. After all, Rainfall and Moonfall are only two of many campaigns that managed to succeed against all odds. However, the lack of willingness to speak up and organize large projects as a result means that nothing will likely get done. Fighting for that small chance as opposed to allowing zero chance of it happening is a step up. Even if it's a very uphill battle, it legitimately does not hurt to try. After all, the massive outcry has already made NoA acknowledge SMRPG after years of being out of the radar. It got us spirits and a Mii costume in Smash. It got SMRPG re-released three times on the Wii, Wii U, and SNES Classic.
If we already have that momentum, we may be able to make use of it. If we don't do anything about it, then nothing will get done. Why stop now?
Another point I'd like to address is the older audience vs. younger audience debate. People who believe SMRPG's love is relegated only to people who grew up with the game or people who 'jumped on the bandwagon for Smash' are entirely off-the-mark. I've seen a lot of younger fans who played the VC releases, the SNES Classic release, or even played the game through Other Means™. There is actually quite a bit of a healthy audience of young people who know who Geno and Mallow are. Limiting it to just the SNES days is what people shortsightedly did over K. Rool, yet the Kampaign brought a lot of the younger fans out of the woodwork. K. Rool getting into Smash only increased the voices of those who were younger and were fans. Not all fans are that vocal, after all.
Will I be angry at Nintendo or Square if this doesn't succeed? No, because that will be actually entitled behavior. They are businesses first and foremost, and if a business takes a path that isn't fan-demanded, that is understandable. However, I will be happy in knowing that we, at the very least, tried instead of letting a chance slip through our fingers, even if only a perceived chance.
It's great that we're getting any kind of media coverage, but it really sucks that everyone in the comments seemingly took one cursory glance at the petition, shouted "MUH ENTITLEMENT" at us for wishing for something, and looked the other way. I get that petitions usually attract negative attention, but this isn't just to get Geno in Smash, and more importantly, the campaign goes beyond just the petition. It's like they didn't read the article at all past the title, quite frankly. I really wish these numskulls would take a closer look for half a second and realize that before decrying us as a bunch of entitled fanboys who won't get what we want.This just in: the campaign has become newsworthy to Nintendo Life!
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20...mario_rpgs_geno_and_mallow_in_online_petition
And no, Ryan, Waluigi not being playable here has nothing to do with whether anyone asks for him via petition or not, he's a comic relief NPC until further notice.
Holy ****, that is some good art. I never thought Papercraft Ridley would look so good.To be fair to Vivian, there is somebody that's kind of important that still needs to be in first.
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I mean, NL is in Europe, which never got SMRPG until the Wii days, so that doesn't help. If this was a campaign for bringing Isaac into more games instead, they'd be much likelier to be happy and willing to support.It's great that we're getting any kind of media coverage, but it really sucks that everyone in the comments seemingly took one cursory glance at the petition, shouted "MUH ENTITLEMENT" at us for wishing for something, and looked the other way. I get that petitions usually attract negative attention, but this isn't just to get Geno in Smash, and more importantly, the campaign goes beyond just the petition. It's like they didn't read the article at all past the title, quite frankly. I really wish these numskulls would take a closer look for half a second and realize that before decrying us as a bunch of entitled fanboys who won't get what we want.
Holy ****, that is some good art. I never thought Papercraft Ridley would look so good.
Also, is that the void from Super Paper Mario behind him? That makes my childhood so happy. SPM gets referenced so little these days, it seems.
Geno, Paper Mario, and Fawful all in a Smash game would be the perfect representation of all 3 types of Mario RPGsTo be fair to Vivian, there is somebody that's kind of important that still needs to be in first.
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Those are all absolutely fair points. I will push back a bit and say that the reason Geno is often mentioned in the same sentence as Ridley and K. Rool is because of Brawl speculation. All three characters were considered to varying degrees with Geno, propelled by Sakurai's interest in the character, possibly just missing out on becoming a playable fighter. I agree with you that Geno does not compare to Ridley and K. Rool in terms of overall Nintendo relevance, but I think Geno must've had the edge in those days at least from a design perspective.I've been in that particular camp so I can shed some light on my own perspective at least if you're genuinely interested:
K. Rool was the main villain of the Donkey Kong series overall, Ridley is one of, if not THE most famous villain for Metroid...Geno...appeared a third of the way through one Mario game over 20 years ago which didn't even release to 1/3 of the world.
Seeing many of the more zealous Geno fans equate Geno's importance to those two was a little frustrating, particularly whilst damning more reoccurring Mario cast members such as Captain/Toad, Paper Mario, Waluigi and in Sm4sh Daisy and Bowser Jr (prior to his reveal) due to being competition.
Heck, Geno's situation is just perplexing to myself and many others because lots of people adore Paper Mario the Thousand Year Door but no one's rallying for Vivian(who seems to be the most popular paper partner) to join the roster, thus it does seem like a really weird bandwagon caused by Sakurai uttering his name during Brawl to those outside the Geno hype circle.
As great as SMRPG is, I, and I expect others, don't think the game should warrant the inclusion of an exclusive character all to itself and I just don't think Super Smash Bros. should be the revival vehicle for Geno when not all the main Mario cast are present still, and you have to balance the Super Mario group with other Nintendo series.
If he was the solo protagonist of an unrepresented series I'd be all for it, but he's unfortunately, at current, a one time side character in one of the most represented series within the Smash Bros. crossover.
...HOWEVER...
(put down your pitchforks and torches, this is a BIG BIG HOWEVER)
...I DO think Geno and Mallow deserve a revival similar to Pauline and a chance to join the main reoccurring Mario roster.
I want to see Geno appear in Galaxy 3 where he really should belong, I want to witness Mallow rolling a six in Mario Party and leaping off of his lower half in anticipation. I want to see the two of them team up in Mario Tennis as a doubles pair, I want to see Boshi get added to Wario's crew and yes, I want to see a polished graphically enhanced SMRPG become a big success, because it could be wonderful, and it could be a character revival on par with Sonic Mania reviving Mighty and Ray.
When Geno and Mallow join the rest of the Mario gang doing 150cc on Rainbow Road or simply putting in regular appearances in just the Mario and Luigi and Paper Mario games, if Nintendo and Square want to keep them RPG exclusive, I wouldn't mind seeing them as playable smash fighters at all...after Toad. Gotta keep my personal preferences there. Give him his Bazooka plz.
On a side note: I really dislike how poor Mallow gets ignored by the Smash community too despite being an awesome cloud creature with weather powers and character development in SMRPG. Very underrated.
i mean, ttyd is my favorite game of all time and i dont 100% see vivian getting in. i personally prefer geno's design more and i think he has a lot more moveset potential than vivian (if we do get a ttyd partner in smash i'd rather it be boberry if we're being honest but that probably wont happen either)Heck, Geno's situation is just perplexing to myself and many others because lots of people adore Paper Mario the Thousand Year Door but no one's rallying for Vivian(who seems to be the most popular paper partner) to join the roster, thus it does seem like a really weird bandwagon caused by Sakurai uttering his name during Brawl to those outside the Geno hype circle.
I agree on Mallow's kart concept, but oh boy, Geno's. I'd honestly love to see it reference the star cruiser from Paper Mario, the one whereI also totally agree that if Nintendo can revive Pauline, there's a place for Geno and Mallow. Here's a question and maybe a subject for some future fan art. What would Geno and Mallow's unique go-kart and motorcycle designs look like? I imagine Geno's deriving from his Geno Flash cannon. Perhaps Mallow's kart is based on Nimbus Land's Royal Bus?
That’s really cool! I’m gonna share the article on Reddit to get more coverage (being “news”, I can even share on r/Nintendo and /NintendoSwitch without the mods removing the post because of the “no petition policy”)This just in: the campaign has become newsworthy to Nintendo Life!
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20...mario_rpgs_geno_and_mallow_in_online_petition
And no, Ryan, Waluigi not being playable here has nothing to do with whether anyone asks for him via petition or not, he's a comic relief NPC until further notice.
Someone named TriforceJ on DeviantArt made this. Here's his page: https://www.deviantart.com/triforcejHere's a question and maybe a subject for some future fan art. What would Geno and Mallow's unique go-kart and motorcycle designs look like? I imagine Geno's deriving from his Geno Flash cannon. Perhaps Mallow's kart is based on Nimbus Land's Royal Bus?
And with this, all I can see is Palutena speaking like this fella
There's only one paper mario character who deserves a playable appearancei mean, ttyd is my favorite game of all time and i dont 100% see vivian getting in. i personally prefer geno's design more and i think he has a lot more moveset potential than vivian (if we do get a ttyd partner in smash i'd rather it be boberry if we're being honest but that probably wont happen either)
if it's the operation starfall twitter,I'd recommend just using the logo as the avatar, that allows for more cohesive brand recognition, and makes it easier to recognize as the "official" account for it. as for the banner, go hog wild, Some SMRPG art would definitely be appropriate.Hi all.
I wasn't expecting us to be covered by a news site so soon!
So,
I went ahead and made the twitter account, @Op_Starfall. Give it a follow as we wait for official Geno deconfirmation then kick it into gear.
ALSO: I need a profile picture and a header. Perhaps you guys could have a little competition; whoever can draw me the best SMRPG/Geno/Mallow-related icon and/or header will have it used on the Twitter account.
Just started following. (Emblemaniac)A quick notification:
The Twitter had to be remade due to a bit of a tiff Twitter had with LTP's email. The bright side is that we got it working on a singular e-mail dedicated solely to Operation Starfall. The actual Twitter link is here! Sorry for the mishap!
View attachment 185991Thought i could share this I found which I think was a fun one
This is EXTREMELY imperative. I'm an artist myself, and using art without permission is extremely disrespectful. At least under my watch, I'll make sure that never happens.Just for something in general, if we ever do use art that was not made for this operation, make sure to get permission first and properly credit the creator. It's a good thing to keep in mind.
Thank you for saying this; lots of people act like art doesn't need credit just because it's online, and that's bull****.Just for something in general, if we ever do use art that was not made for this operation, make sure to get permission first and properly credit the creator. It's a good thing to keep in mind.
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