Oops, melee 2.0 made a point

[Rkey]

A while ago, I got confused when people I was showing Brawl+ for actually made an argument where I didn't know what to say. They said that Brawl+ was just trying to look like melee, with melee falcon, melee jiggz etc. They where right it seemed like, it was really melee Falcon and melee Jiggz in there, how can it not be melee 2.0?

Instead of saying it with my own words, clever quotations will now follow:

We arent adding things from Melee, we're putting things back in Brawl that were in both of the previous two Smash games but were taken out of Brawl...

... next time they say Melee 2.0 just say Smash 3.1

Melee isn't the only game to ever have combos. Brawl+ still keeps the air dodge system and the general feel of brawl but makes it more offensive and balanced.

It's Brawl with the features that define smash. Similarities to Melee is a side effect.

its not melee 2.0 because its much slower than melee. granted its faster than brawl but its still slower.

Original OP:

I was showing the PAL version 4.0 for sume dudes the other day, and they where all like "This is just melee 2.0, why would you not add wavedashing?". I tried to tell them that it's not melee 2.0, it's just enhancing brawl to become a more balanced, interesting and competetive game. Then they told me:

"If you add:

- Jiggz rest
- Melee C. Falcon
- L-cancel
- Combos

How can you NOT call it melee 2.0?"

I didn't know what to say...


So, I'd like some more input on how we're not immitating melee but instead just making brawl better but keeping brawl mechanics like RAR and leaving out melee mechanics like WD. Because C. Falcon is really melee falcon as it is right now, and jiggz is really melee jiggz.

 

[DKKountry]

I only paly normal Brawl, but if I was going to go about changing things like you guys are, wavedashing would be one of the first things on the list.

Disclaimer: IMHO

 

[Rkey]

I only paly normal Brawl, but if I was going to go about changing things like you guys are, wavedashing would be one of the first things on the list.

Disclaimer: IMHO

As you can see, I'm pretty bad at defending brawl+ as it is now, and I might be one of the few who has it in Sweden, perhaps the only one actually (I've been talking to guys and never heard of anyone else from Sweden)

 

[KarateF22]

As you can see, I'm pretty bad at defending brawl+ as it is now, and I might be one of the few who has it in Sweden, perhaps the only one actually (I've been talking to guys and never heard of anyone else from Sweden)

Simple argument is simple: its not melee 2.0 BECAUSE wavedashing isnt there. Also, footstooling and all the new/invalidated ATs.

 

[Rkey]

Simple argument is simple: its not melee 2.0 BECAUSE wavedashing isnt there. Also, footstooling and all the new/invalidated ATs.

That argument won't be enough, you know. If you had melee and replaced it's AD with the brawl AD, and added footstooling, would you get b+?

Long time no see btw KarateF22 ^_^

 

[MK26]

tell them we arent adding things from Melee, we're putting things back in Brawl that were in both of the previous two Smash games but were taken out of Brawl - what's to say smash 64 didn't have combos or l- (z-)canceling

If we really were making Melee 2.0, we'd have crouch canceling, wavedashing, and fox and falco would have their shines back

oh wait...

 

[Shadic]

Jiggz rest

In Smash 64 and Melee. Nerfing it was a stupid Sakurai move.

Melee C. Falcon

It's not really Melee Falcon. It's Falcon with momentum. All Falcon needs is hitstun to not suck.

L-cancel

It's automatic, thus different than it ever was before. And it was in Smash64 as well, but BETTER.

Combos

Also in Smash64. Zero-to-Death combos were most frequent in that game.

Comparing it to Melee without comparing it to Smash64 is just unfair.

Not to mention all of the mechanic changes from Melee to Brawl+.
Different hitstun, the physics are still VERY different, ALC Vs. LCanceling, teching is different, character move changes, new characters, wavedashing, and tether recoveries, just to name a few.

 

[KRiMz0N]

brawl is not smash 64 or melee though so i don't get their argument

 

[Rkey]

tell them we arent adding things from Melee, we're putting things back in Brawl that were in both of the previous two Smash games but were taken out of Brawl

That's the perfect answer, thank you so much

Soooo... What now?

edit: And maybe being melee 2.0 isn't that bad, you might as well call it smash 64 3.0, right? I m ean, it's not melee, but things from melee are there. It's just that the game is a lot more balanced (well, will be eventually), has better graphics and less pain while playing (in terms of not having to press jump for 0.001 frames to short hop, L-cancel like an idiot etc.)

 

[MK26]

That's the perfect answer, thank you so much

Soooo... What now?

lol

thats the stock answer to your question

we can sticky the thread

next time they say Melee 2.0 just say Smash 3.1

 

[Rkey]

lol

thats the stock answer to your question

we can sticky the thread

next time they say Melee 2.0 just say Smash 3.1

Smash 3.1 is also a good thing to call it, thanks again MK26 ^_^

Edit: Thank you all for being so active, I need to sleep now. Feel free to keep up the discussion if you wish to do so, goodnight!

(Btw, everyone play "Sonny", it's a zombi rpg that's rawk hawk, and "Sonny 2" is even better. )

 

[TL?]

Melee isn't the only game to ever have combos. Brawl+ still keeps the air dodge system and the general feel of brawl but makes it more offensive and balanced.

 

[CloneHat]

It's Brawl with the features that define smash. Similarities to Melee is a side effect.

 

[Metatitan]

its not melee 2.0 because its much slower than melee. granted its faster than brawl but its still slower. most other reasons have been listed already

 

[Zodac]

falcon+ is not falconmelee.

falcon melee is gay, brawl+ falcon is actually good to play as.

 

[ToxiCrow]

jiggs rest, lcancel and combos =/= melee
smash 64 had all of that before melee did. Brawl+ is adding what was present in both the 64 and melee (shieldstun, hitstun, l-cancel) to brawl.

 

[BEES]

Dash-canceling

Not Melee 2.0

 

[MBlaze]

lol

10bmelee2.0believingidiots

 

[leafgreen386]

This topic seems to have pretty much resolved itself, so I just wanna say one thing...

falcon melee is gay, brawl+ falcon is actually good to play as.

You're a disgrace to smash.

 

[cookieM0Nster]

This topic seems to have pretty much resolved itself, so I just wanna say one thing...


You're a disgrace to smash.

That is probably the first thing that we have ever agreed on!

 

[timothyung]

They are wrong. It is Smash 3.0. And Falcon moveset in Brawl is the same as his moves in Melee.

 

[Seikishidan Soru]

Arguing with people who aren't willing to listen and quick to jump to conclusions is a waste of time. Don't do it.
If they can't see that they're wrong by just playing Brawl+ as it is, then they'll never get it, and most likely that's because they don't want to.

 

[Alopex]

Actually, both Melee and Brawl+ Falcon are a bore compared to the 64 version.

lern2retro n00bs

 

[CloneHat]

Actually, both Melee and Brawl+ Falcon are a bore compared to the 64 version.

lern2retro n00bs

Smash is boring if you don't have 10 hit combos!

 

[Spire]

It's not Melee 2.0 because it's still mostly Brawl, with adopted Melee mechanics.

 

[storm92]

It's not Melee 2.0 because it's still mostly Brawl, with adopted Smash mechanics.

Fix'd.

10notmelees

 

[Teronist09]

why melee 2.0? why not Brawl+Melee?

 

[Shadic]

Because Brawl+Melee+Smash64 doesn't roll off the tongue.

 

[Rkey]

I'm going to sum things up in the OP, it's a bore to read through all the posts so I'll help guys out.

Edit: There, nice

 

[AfroThunderRule]

My cousin is like that, he actually said that ZSS (His main)is one of the worst characters in brawl+

Just lol.

 

[Rkey]

My cousin is like that, he actually said that ZSS (His main)is one of the worst characters in brawl+

Just lol.

Is she? I thought that hitstun would make her capable of making awesome combos with up-b, tilts and shuffles?