Omis's Unlucky Thirteen-The Game Is Over!

[#HBC | marshy]

Talking about who could be the SK or Vig isn't gonna do much right now as there seems to be very little evidence pointing to who it could be. I think we just need to keep it in the back of our minds for later Days when it becomes more apparent.

As for lynch candidates I'd like to lynch Yaya or smashbot.

And I think we can now agree to replace an inactive rather than lynch them considering how easy it is for a mafioso to get away with it and that there'll always be townies who fall for it.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

Like karthik....

why Yaya or smashbot?

 

[Yaya]

Yes...Why me or smashbot?

 

[smashbot226]

Yes, why me or Yaya?

We haven't done anything incriminating yet, so your idea could just be a matter of activity.

And YAY we killed the Godfather! There's probably a 2nd in command though- we kill him and we win, town.

I vote Marshy. He seems a bit too quick on the blame-trigger.

 

[Ronike]

Yes... It does seem a tad suspiscious, just firing off some FOS' without any reasoning... care to explain?

I'd like to apologize for yesterday and my quick to vote behavior, I just hate people that ruin the game for me like that... plus he was acting a lot like stratford. Just goes to show lightning doesn't strike twice, eh?

As for the SK, it is important, but after such a fast day like yesterday, I doubt we have anywhere near enough info to figure out who it is now, having such a short first day and all, so yeah. Maybe later today...

 

[#HBC | marshy]

Sorry, I wasn't able to expand on why I'd prefer them lynched because I was in a hurry.

Anyways, smashbot has contributed almost nothing. His only post that can be taken seriously is the one questioning what roles there are in the game. He's nearly the perfect example of someone who posts enough to get by but doesn't actually say much.

While there were a few people who pushed for Karthik's lynching, Yaya offered the least reasoning for it and didn't even try to justify it unlike Ronike or mentosman. Macman also said little on why he should be lynched, but he at least suggested replacing the guy first.

Also spam master come back.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

lol tbh i wasn't very surprised that he wasn't scum I just didn't want to deal with that dumb **** holding up the game. I have faith the town.

And I'm gonna go read through this thread now and **** some scum's **** up.

 

[Handorin]

Just got back from a smash tournament.

Go town.

haha Tom died.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

haha well Macman we dont have alot to work with

basically first 8 pages ***** at Karthik and "where the **** is karthik"

and we got uber lucky Tom was killed by what is most likely a SK.

basically...i feel like its day one because we wasted a day with Karthik (not our fault), and we just got really lucky with Tom....

 

[mentosman8]

Yeah, this is basically day one. Unless whatever roles the town has got some information that could be helpful, we've got absolutely nothing. Since pretty much all conversation was about Karthik, and everyone agreed he seemed to be mafia, so we don't have any dissenters at all to work with>_> Just got to keep talking I guess and hope something comes up. Although, on the plus side Tom being godfather affirms we have a cop, and takes out said cop's only obstacle to finding the mafia. Let's hope we get something figured out today and we can hit a maf or the SK with the lynch.

 

[spam_master]

Vote:junglefever

Every day we don't lynch him is another day scum/SK survives.

All I know is that he's hiding something. He's not a cop. He could be a vig or the doc, but he feels like he doesn't want anyone to look at him, and number's say hes most likely mafia or indy.

 

[Rockin]

Vote:junglefever

Every day we don't lynch him is another day scum/SK survives.

All I know is that he's hiding something. He's not a cop. He could be a vig or the doc, but he feels like he doesn't want anyone to look at him, and number's say hes most likely mafia or indy.

I would like to vouch for Junglefever that he is not scum. Sure, at times he does ask some n00bish questions, but I can tell you he's not Mafia. So far, he's just stating the obvious, which is true: this is the real 1st day.

Mento - A cop or a doctor is such a common role, that both could be in this game. The real trick is seeing who is what.

Right now, I don't really have any to vote. Neither Yaya or Smashbot gives a reason not enough of a reason to vote on them, mainly cause I've yet to see a mafia-ish move from them.

 

[Rupert Thorne]

Yeah, I don't really have a vote yet either, but I'm with Rockin that I don't think Jungle is maf. Also, I know how common they are, I was just saying that the godfather confirms its not an uncommon setup that didn't have a cop

 

[mentosman8]

Why do I keep doing that >_>

 

[spam_master]

I would like to vouch for Junglefever that he is not scum. Sure, at times he does ask some n00bish questions, but I can tell you he's not Mafia. So far, he's just stating the obvious, which is true: this is the real 1st day.

You obviously don't understand how I work, but what you just said sends of flares all over the place. I don't need my gut to derive these possibilities. Based on that comment I have to think that one or more of these is true.

1.Junglefever is your RL friend and you have talked to him about your role or this game which is a huge no-no baring options 2, 3, and 4.

2. You are both Mason together. You'll most likely claim this option as it is the best of the 5 barring option 5. However, if you both claim mason one of you will probably have to die to prove it, especially because this is a relatively small game so a mason group is not assured in comparison to the likelihood of option 3.

3. You are both scum and you are ********.

4. One of you is a cult leader and the leader picked up the other one last night. Even, I don't think this one will happen. To few people for a cult.

5. I misunderstood your comment entirely. This is impossible as I am never wrong.

So buddy...go ahead and pick one.

 

[mentosman8]

I would have to say option 5 spam... He seems to be closer to stating an opinion strongly than any of those. I agree Jungle doesn't seem like scum so far, and to go on a gut feeling like you are after having already lynched a townie once may not be the best idea. I think we should wait until we get something solid to go on.(And yes, that means I think Rockin's statement was ambiguous enough to not give us anything to lynch someone on. If it's option 1, Omis? will step in, and the other possibilities seem unlikely by in large except for 5)

 

[spam_master]

I would have to say option 5 spam... He seems to be closer to stating an opinion strongly than any of those. I agree Jungle doesn't seem like scum so far, and to go on a gut feeling like you are after having already lynched a townie once may not be the best idea.

I would like to vouch for Junglefever that he is not scum. Sure, at times he does ask some n00bish questions, but I can tell you he's not Mafia. So far, he's just stating the obvious, which is true: this is the real 1st day.

See the difference in the way you state things. You say "seem like scum" because its what you think he is, he says "he is not scum" because he knows what he is. Which I guess leaves a 6th option in which he is the cop but he might as well claim anything but that.

The point is that you need to think more about how people say things in comparison to what they say. If someone is smart you'll never catch them in this game if you go by the facts. You need to see how they are saying things to read into their true meaning.

 

[Rupert Thorne]

Oh I agree entirely on that Spam, the way people say things means a lot. The first time I read through that post I actually felt the same way, and was leaning toward him being maf and trying to cover. But when I looked at it a second time, he is using strong words, but the tone of them when I reread it made it seem non mafia-esque. A mason group is very much a possibility, but the tone/vibe I get from that comment made me lean more towards something town-sided, whether it be a mason group or him just way overstating what he was trying to convey.

 

[Tom]

Oh I agree entirely on that Spam, the way people say things means a lot. The first time I read through that post I actually felt the same way, and was leaning toward him being maf and trying to cover. But when I looked at it a second time, he is using strong words, but the tone of them when I reread it made it seem non mafia-esque. A mason group is very much a possibility, but the tone/vibe I get from that comment made me lean more towards something town-sided, whether it be a mason group or him just way overstating what he was trying to convey.

BAT MAAAAN lol

 

[mentosman8]

Haha yeah, I typed that, thought "this is on Firefox, I need to copy it and paste it into Chrome!" then proceeded to click post anyways XD

 

[Rockin]

Spam, let me state by the fact that we do not know each other in RL. I DO know Junglefever, as we've played two Mafia games so far (Tomafia 3, and Evil Eye's No Man's game. This being our third time together). So this nullifies no 1. Even if we did, I would never break a rule such as this no matter how tempting it was. Why break a rule on a game that you want to enjoy?

I'm not gonna go over with no. 2, only because it's a role claim, and it's too early to do such thing (I reccomand Day 3 at least before we do that). Same thing with 4, as it involves role claiming.

3 I'm not even gonna answer cause that's stupid. >>

I feel that 5 would be the best option, since I'm saying from MY gut feeling that Junglefever is townie. Besides asking a question or two, he hasn't done anything Mafia-ish IMO.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

so you do not know for sure that he is not mafia, you just strongly believe that?

 

[Rockin]

so you do not know for sure that he is not mafia, you just strongly believe that?

Actually, I'm pretty positive. It's more of a confidence then a gut, seeing as I've stated some things in terms of that.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

so basically you are confirming that either you are a mason, or you have some other type of role that reveals the roles of everyone else to you?

 

[Yaya]

Hmm.

Mac is role-fishing, and I don't like it at all...

Macman: You are aware that fishing for roles a a massive scumtell, are you not?

 

[spam_master]

This isn't really rolefishing, it's more like facepalming.

 

[Ronike]

true, but its still suspiscious. We don't want a role claim of any sort this early. Having one person claim throws suspicion on others who don't claim, so the doc and cop and any other power roles we have are forced to claim and outed far to early. So knock it off man!

 

[#HBC | Mac]

This isn't really rolefishing, it's more like facepalming.

i don't get it.

and i'm aware of what I was doing. I asked rockin if he just had a strong guess, or if he was positive that fever was mafia. Instead of saying it was a strong guess he said "It's more of a confidence then a gut, seeing as I've stated some things in terms of that." Any mafia would be able to pinpoint that and than take advantage of it. They would assume he had an important role and kill him. I also believe Rockin himself is aware of this. Junglefever also was not in much danger of being lynched at the time so I do not know why rockin felt that it was necessary to put himself out there in the way that he did.

I just felt that if he wanted to be so obvious he might as well have completely come out with it so that he could actually convince people why he and jungle are not mafia instead of us having to just take his word for us so that even if he did get killed at night we could assume junglefever was not mafia and we could increase our chances of catching scum.

I don't condone role claiming this early either.

and yaya why didn't you just vote for me if you knew role-fishing was a massive scum-tell. In nowhere mafia you were quick to vote for me when I didn't roleclaim, so why are you being so hesitant now?

 

[smashbot226]

Anyways, smashbot has contributed almost nothing. His only post that can be taken seriously is the one questioning what roles there are in the game. He's nearly the perfect example of someone who posts enough to get by but doesn't actually say much.

That's equivalent to blaming the quiet kid in the corner for stealing your lunchbox.

Furthermore, either Rockin is defending jungle, who is ALSO scum, or spam_master is trying to get somebody lynched BECAUSE he's scum.

Vote: Spam_Master

You're a little aggressive in your pursuit of lynch-hood.

 

[Yaya]

and yaya why didn't you just vote for me if you knew role-fishing was a massive scum-tell. In nowhere mafia you were quick to vote for me when I didn't roleclaim, so why are you being so hesitant now?

Because Nowhere Mafia was my first game, and I was very aggressive, I was nervous that my force would come across as scummy, but no.

I've played more games of mafia then that now, and I know much better then to vote someone unless I am 100% sure.

 

[spam_master]

Ugh, this is SPMII all over again. Remember our argument back them smashbot? See any parrallels?

I think jungle is scum, not rockin.

But, its important for me to pursue rockin on a statement that is obviously fishy because if he knows definitively that jungle is not mafia then I need to look for new leads.

However the longer this conversation goes on the more I think jungle is scum and rockin has either been fooled in some way or is scum as well. The whole situation mirrors what agentli did so much that I can't help it.

I've stated a million times that if I make an argument I do so with the belief that I am 100% right until I am proven wrong. I am arguably the most aggressive player on smash boards when I think I have found scum.

 

[spam_master]

Also, the people who are talking about this being a roleclaim are confused on why a roleclaim is great for mafia early game.

A role claim early game provides the mafia with a great opportunity to lie because there are so many roles they can pick, and they can nightkill in confidence of the claimed roles because they are one of the few roles with reason to lie.

However whats happening her isn't a roleclaim, it is a role force. Using evidence we have determined a select number of roles which rockin must be. He has no chance to lie because he isn't claiming anything. This is how, in theory, you are supposed to determine who is mafia. You determine what someone must be, then based on who you know must be what determine who does not fit. Whoever does not fit must be mafia.

 

[mentosman8]

I agree that it's not good to be pushing Rockin like this. For all we know he is the cop and knows Jungle isn't maf because of that. Since it's been pushed so far, it's very likely he'll die tonight anyway, but if that's the case the last thing we wanted to do was make him into a mafia target>_> I'd also like to say that I am a bit suspicious of you at this point spam. Not enough to put a vote down just yet, but you said Jungle before we had pretty much anything at all to go on, and when he was defended you went after Rockin to a point of "either state your role or I assume you're mafia." Like I said, it's not quite enough for me to put a vote down yet, but the way you jumped to Jungle right away makes me want to keep an eye on you. Regardless, I still don't think Rockin or Jungle are mafia, so I'm not going to vote until I find something that's proof enough to vote on.

 

[Yaya]

I might as well tell you that a no lynch would be the best option.

Assuming we DO have a SK, if we lynch, and mis-lynch, we're left with 7 people, with I assume would be 3 mafia and 1 sk, meaning that Town is screwed.

FOS Macman

Vote: No Lynch

 

[DtJ Jungle]

Spam i'm really curious what this hunch you're talking about is on. Rockin's word choice wasn't the best, I am aware, but even so I don't know why that would even increase your confidence. What besides your gut feeling makes you think I'm mafia.

Yaya, I think a no lynch isn't too bad of an option right now, but I think we need to deliberate a little more. I'm not 100% sure about spam because he is so quick to jump to a conclusion on nothing, but it's not enough to vote on.

Smashbot, you have to understand why you are suspiciosu, you have been very quiet, and inactivity is usually the sign of someone not wanting to be noticed. its not enough to vote on just something to think about.


menthos, you are right, rockin has made it seem like i had an important role, so i'm most likely the next to die . But until then i think basic first day strategies needs to be used. Pressure caused by voting and not to no lynch...thoughts on that?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

I think its odd that rockin chose to word his posts the way he did. He actively put you and him and the top of the list for mafia to take down. And I am pretty sure he knew he was doing that. My question is why.

 

[Rockin]

i don't get it.

and i'm aware of what I was doing. I asked rockin if he just had a strong guess, or if he was positive that fever was mafia. Instead of saying it was a strong guess he said "It's more of a confidence then a gut, seeing as I've stated some things in terms of that." Any mafia would be able to pinpoint that and than take advantage of it. They would assume he had an important role and kill him. I also believe Rockin himself is aware of this. Junglefever also was not in much danger of being lynched at the time so I do not know why rockin felt that it was necessary to put himself out there in the way that he did.

Cause I just wanted to protect Junglefever. I felt that there was not much of a need to lynch him for any real reason. Yes, the way I worded it could've been presented better, but I am human and I make midstakes...

I might as well tell you that a no lynch would be the best option.

Assuming we DO have a SK, if we lynch, and mis-lynch, we're left with 7 people, with I assume would be 3 mafia and 1 sk, meaning that Town is screwed.

FOS Macman

Vote: No Lynch

A Mis lynch is better then a no lynch, cause it still gives the Mafia/SK a reason to kill. It's always good to lynch so that way, even if it's a townie, there would possibly still be more clues as what to work on.

I think its odd that rockin chose to word his posts the way he did. He actively put you and him and the top of the list for mafia to take down. And I am pretty sure he knew he was doing that. My question is why.

Like I explained, I just worded a bit wrong. instead of saying 'I believe Junglefever is not Mafia,' I said 'vouch' instead. It was not my intention to bring junglefever down or any suspicion on me. I just wanted to defend him and say my reasons, that was all.

 

[Ronike]

I might as well tell you that a no lynch would be the best option.

Assuming we DO have a SK, if we lynch, and mis-lynch, we're left with 7 people, with I assume would be 3 mafia and 1 sk, meaning that Town is screwed.

FOS Macman

Vote: No Lynch

In a game with 13 people, we do run the risk of 4 mafia. Its a very remote possibility, but one that exists. However, 4 mafia and an sk? I maybe would be able to see it if the town had a bunch of power roles, but we've had two vanilla deaths. Its very unlikely that we have 4 mafia, therefore a no lynch shouldn't be an option yet. Tomorrow, if we are down two townies, maybe. Otherwise, its stupid. And I don't like how you are "telling us" its the best option as if you know best. No lynch is only a good strat in two situations: you run the risk of losing with a lynch and no lynching will for sure give you info (i.e: Making sure an endgame role claiming cop is for real by letting the mafia kill him, thus revealing his role when the count is 4 town to 2 maf or something of the sort) or for some reason you need a night where power roles can activate and you are nigh certain you can avoid a hit/the payoff is worth it (i.e: 3 town (cop, doc, and something), 1 mafia all roleclaim, with the maf lying saying vanilla. Cop investagates someone, doc protects cop, kill the mafia next day instead of rolling the die.) And this is neither. So, no thanks. FOS: Yaya for wording and idea

Spam, dude, I understand and respect your gut man, but back it up with something please! Roleclaiming sucks, but that doesn't seem to be all you got on him, so if you got more, please share it with the class.

 

[mentosman8]

I think 3 mafia being left is very unlikely. In a 13 person game, 4 maf+1 serial killer would not only give them an inordinate amount of voting power for anti-town, but would also mean mis-lynch day one+2 townie hits means town is split with anti town and has no way to win. In all likelihood we have 2 mafia left, and the sk. Since we have 10 people left we're at likely a 7-3 split right now(7-2-1 technically). A no lynch is not a terrible idea(would leave us with 5-2-1 if two townies get hit at night instead of 4-2-1 if we mislynch), but we definitely need to talk it through a bit more before we can decide that. I'd like to see some more conversation either way, as we might pick out a mafia, and if not it should give our cop(extremely unlikely we don't have one) a chance to decide who to investigate.

On another note, I still question Spam. He's been pushing his gut feeling very hard. This wouldn't be a bad strategy if he was mafia, knowing his gut had been right at times before, to use it as an easy-way-out excuse to get us to lynch a townie. Spam, I'm with Ronike here, do you have anything to back up wanting to lynch Jungle besides the gut feeling? From what I've seen he definitely seems like a townie, and I won't consider lynching him without some strong support. Right now the two people who I question are Spam(for reasons stated above obviously), and smashbot for, as a few have pointed out, being very quiet. Not always a sign of mafia, but definitely something that will cause me to keep an eye on what he's doing to come to a conclusion.

 

[spam_master]

Spam i'm really curious what this hunch you're talking about is on. Rockin's word choice wasn't the best, I am aware, but even so I don't know why that would even increase your confidence. What besides your gut feeling makes you think I'm mafia.

The only reason I voted for you was that your speech sounds very awkward to me, like your not speaking naturally. The reason I'm on red alert right now will be explained lower down.

Cause I just wanted to protect Junglefever. I felt that there was not much of a need to lynch him for any real reason. Yes, the way I worded it could've been presented better, but I am human and I make midstakes...

Like I explained, I just worded a bit wrong. instead of saying 'I believe Junglefever is not Mafia,' I said 'vouch' instead. It was not my intention to bring junglefever down or any suspicion on me. I just wanted to defend him and say my reasons, that was all.

The thing is you didn't have to protect Jungle fever I had made one post with no supporting evidence and in the very next post you come out saying that he isn't mafia in incredibly literal language.

You even used terms stronger than vouch you said "he is not mafia". And of course your intention wasn't to bring suspicion down on jungle or yourself, but when you defend against an ant bite with an atom bomb its gonna look a little weird.

This is the reason i'm flipping out right now. If he was the cop why would he stick his neck out so far to defend against one pressure vote with no support. I think we can all agree that when I use my gut as evidence the only person who thinks its credible is myself, why then would rockin feel it needed immediate and authoritative defense, unless his power or chance of winning is negatively effected by the death of jungle.

On another note, I still question Spam. He's been pushing his gut feeling very hard. This wouldn't be a bad strategy if he was mafia, knowing his gut had been right at times before, to use it as an easy-way-out excuse to get us to lynch a townie. Spam, I'm with Ronike here, do you have anything to back up wanting to lynch Jungle besides the gut feeling? From what I've seen he definitely seems like a townie, and I won't consider lynching him without some strong support. Right now the two people who I question are Spam(for reasons stated above obviously), and smashbot for, as a few have pointed out, being very quiet. Not always a sign of mafia, but definitely something that will cause me to keep an eye on what he's doing to come to a conclusion.

The following post is a break down of what happened, and why I think something is up.