Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire

[BaPr]

I'm interested to see Diancie's new ability if it gets one. Dowload Metagross Would make sense. Not really my choice of n ability, but it is a pretty useful ability

 

[IsmaR]

There's a crapload of abilities that make sense on it. Iron Fist (it boosts Meteor Mash/Hammer Arm/Bullet Punch, but for whatever reason they gave it Light Metal as the HA instead), Analytic (if they make it slower especially), Levitate, Heatproof, Motor Drive/Magnet Pull (it learns Magnet Rise naturally), Iron Barbs (well, that X looks pointy), Magic Whatever/generic Psychic type ability, No Guard, Contrary or even some new ability they pull out of their ass. Just please no "takes slightly less damage from Low Kick/Grass Knot, takes more damage from Heat Crash/Heavy Slam" nonsense.

 

[ImaClubYou]

Be cool if Diance summoned the fairy terrain thing kind of like Politoad/Drizzle.

 

[CRASHiC]

As Venasaur proved last generation, a tanky speed boosted pokemon is entirely viable. If he were to get a 20 boost in speed and a strong enough boost in attack he'll be more than a force (on the non-viable rain teams).

Sceptile's ability is disgusting in doubles. With a 4x resistance to electric attacks and the ability to be an offensive force (mega-stats hopefully backing this statement up) he'll enable some really wonderful comps. It is a shame that he doesn't have a way to make himself immune to Thunderwave, but keeping it away from teammates while also being immune to spore puts him in the position of being both a support and sweeper (potentially).

 

[Cheezey Bites]

It is a shame that he doesn't have a way to make himself immune to Thunderwave

Lightning Rod makes him immune to Thunder Wave though....

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Lightning Rod makes him immune to Thunder Wave though....

Thunder Wave ans Stun Spore are basically the only paralysis-inducing status moves that Mega Sceptile would be immune to. However, with Glare now having 100% accuracy, it pretty much has to make the 1-hit KO on the likes of Arbok, Druddigon, Serperior, or Heliolisk, or risk getting paralyzed and turning into dead weight for you.

Likewise, the Static ability could be troubling as well. At times I feel that Mega Sceptile should've had the Limber ability instead, so that way, it can utilize direct attacks without having to fear about being paralyzed.

 

[Cheezey Bites]

Thunder Wave ans Stun Spore are basically the only paralysis-inducing status moves that Mega Sceptile would be immune to. However, with Glare now having 100% accuracy, it pretty much has to make the 1-hit KO on the likes of Arbok, Druddigon, Serperior, or Heliolisk, or risk getting paralyzed and turning into dead weight for you.

Likewise, the Static ability could be troubling as well. At times I feel that Mega Sceptile should've had the Limber ability instead, so that way, it can utilize direct attacks without having to fear about being paralyzed.

It's almost certainly a special attacker, it won't use direct attacks... Yes Glare is an issue, and bulky Serperior or Arbok sets might get some more use out of this, but they're still probably liabilities in the rest of the team... But Sceptile normally runs Focus Blast anyway, beating Heliolisk and Dunsparse.

Moreover with Giga Drain, Focus Blast and (assumed) Dragon Pulse he's got great coverage with a free move slot which could be used for Sub if you're that scared of Glare... Or more usefully U-Turn, so you can get out of there... As for Body Slam and Tri-Attack, they're practically only carried by normal types or serene gracers; normal types obviously have Focus Blast weakness, and you can just switch away from a bulky serene grace...

 

[CRASHiC]

Haven't gotten serious into the game since gen 4 due to other games and life crowding it out. Was unaware, but yeah that's even better thanks to the Stun Spore, Thunder Wave, and spore immunity. Clearly a pokemon made with last generations double meta in mind.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

It's almost certainly a special attacker, it won't use direct attacks... Yes Glare is an issue, and bulky Serperior or Arbok sets might get some more use out of this, but they're still probably liabilities in the rest of the team... But Sceptile normally runs Focus Blast anyway, beating Heliolisk and Dunsparse.

Moreover with Giga Drain, Focus Blast and (assumed) Dragon Pulse he's got great coverage with a free move slot which could be used for Sub if you're that scared of Glare... Or more usefully U-Turn, so you can get out of there... As for Body Slam and Tri-Attack, they're practically only carried by normal types or serene gracers; normal types obviously have Focus Blast weakness, and you can just switch away from a bulky serene grace...

Sadly, Sceptile has a very limited special movepool, and seems way more affiliated with physical attacks. If Mega Sceptile gets a good attack boost that's comparable to that of Mega Charizard X though, that would give it a reason to go all physical.

 

[Cheezey Bites]

Sadly, Sceptile has a very limited special movepool, and seems way more affiliated with physical attacks. If Mega Sceptile gets a good attack boost that's comparable to that of Mega Charizard X though, that would give it a reason to go all physical.

With a Dragon Move he has exactly what he needs, Grass/Fighting/Dragon is only resisted by 3 families (and Shedinja).

 

[UltiMario]

What he says is true though. If Sceptile has, say, 155 Atk in Mega form, he'd be much better than having that much SpA.

 

[Cheezey Bites]

What he says is true though. If Sceptile has, say, 155 Atk in Mega form, he'd be much better than having that much SpA.

*Facepalm*

I f he had 155 Attack he'd only have 30 points to go elsewhere! They'd probably have to cut his speed to make that viable (as he'd almost certainly also get some special attack boost given his distro), and given his 4* weakness to Ice that would make him extremely vulnerable to any fast pokémon with Ice beam or HP Ice... and given the prevelance of the BoltBeam combo that means switching in to activate his ability is likely suicide.

He needs base 150 speed FAR more than that attack boost, so with that in mind it would be better for him to have a Sp.Atk boost so he can secure that!

Moreover if he had a physical distro his ability would be drag, and even if he miraculously managed it at base 120 speed he'd be fodder for scarfers, meaning his DW ability would be favourable as that keeps him alive, and allows you to carry a more useful Mega!



And before you bring up cutting his defenses, Priority's a thing! He's already extremely susceptible to priority kills, and you want to make him even weaker to them?! He needs a defense buff more than he needs and attack buff!

 

[UltiMario]

All he needs is 140 spe, 150 spe actually is a waste because he's forced to be faster than Mega Manectric to kill it before it can HP Ice. 155 Atk, 140 spe, and the 10 points in Defense is all he needs. It's incredibly easy.

 

[Cheezey Bites]

150 is to force timid scarfers allowing your switch to take it easier, and to even outspeed a few of them. It's also for matching fast mega, revenge killing, and outspeeding +1 Dnight. You're cutting three important support options for slightly more power... which is wasted as he'll die all the time!

Also, what 10 more defense? Sceptile's only got base 120 speed to start!

Do you even play OU?!


And they are NOT going to leave the Sp.Atk as is with Sceptile's SPA intensive stat distro!

 

[Sapphire Dragon]

@E3 today:

Pokemon ORAS footage was shown, but other than nicely stylized gyms/towns (Fortree ftw), mega evolutions and more cinematics there wasn't much.
Groudon and Kyogre shown changing into their Devolutions. A gem like structure forms around them before they change; not like the mega evolution animation. There is no Mega evolution flame/dna symbol.
Overall Pokemon animations look almost exactly imported from XY
Gameplay starts 0:53 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFlL2pW6lY8

Devolutions seem to be different things than both megas and forme changes.

Thoughts/speculation?

 

[UltiMario]

150 is to force timid scarfers allowing your switch to take it easier, and to even outspeed a few of them. It's also for matching fast mega, revenge killing, and outspeeding +1 Dnight. You're cutting three important support options for slightly more power... which is wasted as he'll die all the time!

+1 DNite Espeeds straight through your pitiful defenses anyways.
150 Spe is worthlessly fast- Mega Zam run Modest and Mega Aero run Adamant for this reason. It's so worthless you don't even run max speed because you actually overspeed stuff using a neutral speed nature, and the damage is worth more. At least with 140 Spe, you can go Jolly, be faster, and have 10 points to allocate elsewhere. 150 Spe+ only lets you outspeed Scarf Mamoswine, who Ice Shards you to death anyways.

Also, what 10 more defense? Sceptile's only got base 120 speed to start!

Yes, 10 defense. That stat distribution is more than reasonable.

Do you even play OU?!

Yes, plus I have voted in suspect tests multiple times, frequent the top of normal and suspect ladders, and have been playing OU since 2005. I hate gloating but I am literally the best player that frequents this board.

And they are NOT going to leave the Sp.Atk as is with Sceptile's SPA intensive stat distro!

I'm just saying Sceptile would be stronger with an all-attack bonus. We got MMX and M Char X, so you can really never say never.

It getting like 165 SpA would be fine too, assuming it got Dragon Pulse and Earth Power. That's assuming that's the case, though.

 

[Cheezey Bites]

 

[dimensionsword64]

Mega Sableye has a rupee...
Pokemon-Zelda crossover confirmed!

Seriously, though, I think it's going to become insanely defensive.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

So Primal Groudon is a Ground/Fire-type. That doesn't bode well at all against Kyogre, since it appears that Primal Kyogre is still a pure Water-type. If Primal Kyogre was a Water/Electric-type though, that would've really helped Groudon out.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

So Primal Groudon is a Ground/Fire-type. That doesn't bode well at all against Kyogre, since it appears that Primal Kyogre is still a pure Water-type. If Primal Kyogre was a Water/Electric-type though, that would've really helped Groudon out.

Being part Fire does feel fitting for Groudon, being a Pokemon that lives in magma, and magma is underground and fiery, but yeah. Groudon was already weak to Kyogre's STAB moves to begin with.

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[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Being part fire does feel fitting for Groudon, being a Pokemon that lives in magma, and magma is underground and fiery, but yeah. Groudon was already weak to Kyogre's STAB moves to begin with.

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And the reasoning for why Primal Kyogre should've been a Water/Electric-type is because of the obvious fact that it can summon destructive thunderstorms, AND it can learn Thunder. Sure it would result in a Ground-type weakness, but at the same time, the Electric-typing would neutralize the damage from opposing Thunders.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

AND it can learn Thunder.

To be fair, so can Groudon. But Primal Kyogre does have...an "electricy" design to it.

Edit: Oh, you acknowledged Groudon's opposing thunders.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Groudon is more physical oriented though, so it probably would've done way more damage with Earthquake if Primal Kyogre was a Water/Electric-type.

 

[Cheezey Bites]

Give Groudon Heat Crash and the Fire-type makes perfect sense! And I would so use him!

 

[BaPr]

Has an Emerald remake been confirmed? If there is one, I might skip Omega and Alpha, since Emerald was the game I played and I don't like only going against only one team. Also, it gives me more time to enjoy smash 3ds because of that October release. If not, I might just stick with Ruby since Maxie looks so awesome and classy.

 

[Firus]

Since they've skipped "third game" remakes on the last two generations of remakes, I imagine we won't be getting Emerald. "Delta Emerald" has been trademarked, but "Water Blue" was trademarked and that never happened either, so I imagine it's just them covering their bases.

 

[CheapMovieMonster]

Since they've skipped "third game" remakes on the last two generations of remakes, I imagine we won't be getting Emerald. "Delta Emerald" has been trademarked, but "Water Blue" was trademarked and that never happened either, so I imagine it's just them covering their bases.

Who knows?, Nintendo already suprised us with these remakes to begin with so they just might suprise us again with some sort of Emerald remake, especially since the Emerald version was so popular that at times I forgot there even was a ruby or sapphire version before it; although, there supposedly isn't some sort of Pokemon "Z" in the making so you may have a point.

 

[Blakexd9]

Who knows?, Nintendo already suprised us with these remakes to begin with so they just might suprise us again with some sort of Emerald remake, especially since the Emerald version was so popular that at times I forgot there even was a ruby or sapphire version before it; although, there supposedly isn't some sort of Pokemon "Z" in the making so you may have a point.

Nah. I don't believe we will get "Delta Emerald" even if it was trademarked. Remember, names like "Pokemon Gray" and "Pokemon WaterBlue" were trademarked back in gen V and gen III respectively.

As for the gen VI third version (aka "Pokemon Z"), I'm sure they'll be next after these remakes. Game Freak could surprise us with gen VII, though.

 

[CheapMovieMonster]

Nah. I don't believe we will get "Delta Emerald" even if it was trademarked. Remember, names like "Pokemon Gray" and "Pokemon WaterBlue" were trademarked back in gen V and gen III respectively.

As for the gen VI third version (aka "Pokemon Z"), I'm sure they'll be next after these remakes. Game Freak could surprise us with gen VII, though.

I suppose you also have a point; honestly though I'm just glad I can finally get a pokemon game that takes place in Hoenn, Emerald version/remake or not.

 

[Blakexd9]

I suppose you also have a point; honestly though I'm just glad I can finally get a pokemon game that takes place in Hoenn, Emerald version/remake or not.

Oh yeah, definitely. Especially in that X/Y engine.

 

[Fluttershy]

Spoiler

just going to put this here

 

[ImaClubYou]

Arbok, Druddigon, Serperior, or Heliolisk, or risk getting paralyzed and turning into dead weight for you.

Hmph, I'm insulted you put mega Sceptile down to their levels >

Although I like using Heliolisk sometimes.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Hmph, I'm insulted you put mega Sceptile down to their levels >

Although I like using Heliolisk sometimes.

Serperior is probably the main Pokemon for Mega Sceptile to watch out for, since it can probably take a hit, and then Glare Mega Sceptile afterwards. Arbok and Heliolisk would fear Earthquake, while Druddigon would fall to Outrage.

 

[Cheezey Bites]

Serperior is probably the main Pokemon for Mega Sceptile to watch out for, since it can probably take a hit, and then Glare Mega Sceptile afterwards. Arbok and Heliolisk would fear Earthquake, while Druddigon would fall to Outrage.

They'd have to sac something to an Outrage to safely bring Serperior in (assuming base 105 attack Outrage is a 2HKO), else you'd just U-turn for 45%+ (assuming base 105 attack or higher; even more if running modest) and a favorable match-up. Otherwise you can sub; or if you're running the SD set you still have a 12.5%+ chance of OHKO (assuming jolly Sceptile against standard max HP, 180 def) with Outrage after rocks... meaning you just make sure you get some chip damage on him before you SD with Mega-Sceptile...

And of course you can just switch to an electric type for immunity.


The main pokémon for Sceptile to look out for is their priority user or Mega Aerodactyl (who will likely speed creep to Jolly if Mega-Sceptile becomes popular).

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

If Mega Sceptile's base speed is 150 though, then Mega Aerodactyl may not always get the first hit. And yes, Sceptile can learn Rock Slide, though Outrage will obviously deal a stronger hit with STAB.

On the other hand, an Aerial Ace from Mega Aerodactyl would wipe out Mega Sceptile afterwards, since Outrage would only deal up to 90% damage if Mega Sceptile's base attack is 135.

 

[Cheezey Bites]

If Mega Sceptile's base speed is 150 though, then Mega Aerodactyl may not always get the first hit. And yes, Sceptile can learn Rock Slide, though Outrage will obviously deal a stronger hit with STAB.

On the other hand, an Aerial Ace from Mega Aerodactyl would wipe out Mega Sceptile afterwards, since Outrage would only deal up to 90% damage if Mega Sceptile's base attack is 135.

That's the point, Aerodactyl is a dangerous switch in to an EQ, has the chance of speed creeping with the Jolly and the toughness to survive a non-SD variant, especially if Mega-Sceptile tries to speed creep; and he's then still reasonably useful at low health due to his speed. Even if they do go the Special Attack route (which I still feel the stat distro will prioritise) Mega-Aero actually has a higher SpD than Def allowing him to take a Dragon Pulse even better (though 65% assuming my proposed 135 Sp.A is still not well by any stretch).

 

[UltiMario]

Why are people so obsessed about Paralyzing this thing.

Nobody is ever going to be desperate enough to use Mega Aero, let alone goddamn ARBOK to try and counter this thing when you're better off using like Skarmory or something to kill it, or even Talonflame to check it. Grass/Dragon/Ground is good coverage but not good enough to warrant using ****mons to beat it.

Sceptile will never have to worry about Glare users because a higher 600+ BST Pokemon is never going to be within the same tier as them. Even if you attempted to use Glare users, they're probly just get 2hko'd or something.

 

[Cheezey Bites]

Why are people so obsessed about Paralyzing this thing.

Nobody is ever going to be desperate enough to use Mega Aero, let alone goddamn ARBOK to try and counter this thing when you're better off using like Skarmory or something to kill it, or even Talonflame to check it. Grass/Dragon/Ground is good coverage but not good enough to warrant using ****mons to beat it.

Sceptile will never have to worry about Glare users because a higher 600+ BST Pokemon is never going to be within the same tier as them. Even if you attempted to use Glare users, they're probably just get 2hko'd or something.

Mega-Sceptile won't be OU, and he'll probably not be UU realistically either. At best case he'll be in the UU tier where Aero could be useful dependent on the speed standard set in the new meta, though admittedly it's unlikely; in RU though...


He'll never match Scarm/Bliss (depends on main attack stat) or Talonflame, but he'll never face them, so what's it matter?

 

[ImaClubYou]

Mega-Sceptile won't be OU, and he'll probably not be UU realistically either. At best case he'll be in the UU tier where Aero could be useful dependent on the speed standard set in the new meta, though admittedly it's unlikely; in RU though...


He'll never match Scarm/Bliss (depends on main attack stat) or Talonflame, but he'll never face them, so what's it matter?

Sceptile will be OU because I says so.

 

[UltiMario]

Mega-Sceptile won't be OU, and he'll probably not be UU realistically either. At best case he'll be in the UU tier where Aero could be useful dependent on the speed standard set in the new meta, though admittedly it's unlikely; in RU though...


He'll never match Scarm/Bliss (depends on main attack stat) or Talonflame, but he'll never face them, so what's it matter?

You cannot tell what tier something is going to be in before we even see the stats.

When we first saw Mega Pinsir and Mega Kangaskhan (who also can't break rocky helmet skarm and are revenged by Talonflame!), people were excited for new monsters to unleash upon UU at a first glance- and that was even AFTER we saw stats. Mega Kanga is currently sitting in Ubers if you don't recall, and Mega Pinsir is among the top 5 megas in OU.

I think if Sceptile gets a GOOD stat spread (155 atk + 140 spe, or 165 SpA + 140 spe and some extra movepool) it'll end up OU, but ofc we just don't know.

Also pls get with the times, Blissey is irrelevant, Chansey is queen.