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Official Utah Power Rankings
- Thread starter Gojira
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Perfect Chaos
Smash Master
BTW, Gojira, you forgot to add the "Honorable Mentions" to the first post.
PitchD
Smash Apprentice
First to introduce myself I am QraQ formally DeeV8 of Houston Texas circuit of the smash community.
I've been in the circuit for 4 years have been too many tournaments, know many of the top people and alot about how things are done.
Alright, with that said, well I've been reading alot on this post about the supposive "power ranking" rules you got going here.
Quite frankly I have never seen anything as ridiculous as what you have going here.
I've played a couple people from Utah (including Hott) so I can see what stuff is going on with skill levels and what not of some of Utah.
As fgar as Texas/Cali/Florida is concerned with power rankings:
40% Tourney play
40% Friendly skill bases
20% Vid performance
I know vid performance seems trivial to most but much skill can actually be determined about how people play "on the line" much like the pressure of a tournament would. Of course not all is based on it.
I've played hott and as far as skill levels go I see him as the top in Utah myself (personal opinion).
The panel you have going here should be redetermined when you actually have more people who have been through the circuit and have seen the different kinds of rankings (while still on the same basic bases as the traditional rules done by some of the top states for smash).
As far as that is concerned at least half your panel should be of that nature instead of people who want to create their own aspect of "rankings" they put together themselves.
Suffice it to say alot of the smash community around this nation will not find you to be making logical choices on how to run power ranking thus won't take yall seriously as a smasher. Which is the main reason power rankings are done in the first place.
So as far as I'm concerned you need to rethink your methods on your rankings to a new set of rules that focus on all around tests rather than tournament runs.
-QraQ
I've been in the circuit for 4 years have been too many tournaments, know many of the top people and alot about how things are done.
Alright, with that said, well I've been reading alot on this post about the supposive "power ranking" rules you got going here.
Quite frankly I have never seen anything as ridiculous as what you have going here.
I've played a couple people from Utah (including Hott) so I can see what stuff is going on with skill levels and what not of some of Utah.
As fgar as Texas/Cali/Florida is concerned with power rankings:
40% Tourney play
40% Friendly skill bases
20% Vid performance
I know vid performance seems trivial to most but much skill can actually be determined about how people play "on the line" much like the pressure of a tournament would. Of course not all is based on it.
I've played hott and as far as skill levels go I see him as the top in Utah myself (personal opinion).
The panel you have going here should be redetermined when you actually have more people who have been through the circuit and have seen the different kinds of rankings (while still on the same basic bases as the traditional rules done by some of the top states for smash).
As far as that is concerned at least half your panel should be of that nature instead of people who want to create their own aspect of "rankings" they put together themselves.
Suffice it to say alot of the smash community around this nation will not find you to be making logical choices on how to run power ranking thus won't take yall seriously as a smasher. Which is the main reason power rankings are done in the first place.
So as far as I'm concerned you need to rethink your methods on your rankings to a new set of rules that focus on all around tests rather than tournament runs.
-QraQ
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*signs QraQ's comments*
I met him at a recent tournament. The man speaks the truth. ^_^
Though, I am not so sure about friendly matches. Players would have to know which smashfests count toward rankings. Otherwise, that system would just be broken.
I met him at a recent tournament. The man speaks the truth. ^_^
Though, I am not so sure about friendly matches. Players would have to know which smashfests count toward rankings. Otherwise, that system would just be broken.
PitchD
Smash Apprentice
What you have going on right is obviously under extreme question.I actually like what we have going on now...
We have a point system with 4 panelists that all have different opinions on how rankings should be made.
Hott's not the best. Come to Utah and play the other 3.
Just because majority of this panel agrees to it doesn't make it the best way.
I seriously think yall are being biast with how you're running things which is plain wrong.
Panels are made to be the final decision but with some influence of the actual community.
Not just dictated to the end.
Reevaluate how you want to run things before you expect to be taken seriously.
-QraQ
P.S. Im trying to make my way down there soon to get a better understanding for what Utah is about.
PitchD
Smash Apprentice
Read my prior post fully and you may see me saying something about that.
To add onto what I said before I also think the panel needs to be impartial if that wasn't how it was already made.
Decided on by the community not just "self-appointed".
Just for RA's sake since you didn't see:
40% Tourney play
40% Friendlies skill bases
20% Vid performance
If you need me to go into elabortaion I will but if you think logically they are pretty obvious why.
-QraQ
P.S. I don't like repeating myself =)
That's terrbile, dude. I honestly think, for Utah at least, that it's 100% wrong.
I think personal judgement is the way to go. There are 4 panelists, so that eliminates most biast. All 4 panelists are at every tournament, they friendly everyone, and they have a great know-how of smash. Not only that, but they're not allowed to vote for themselves.
As for your system, it wouldn't work for us. For example, Hott and I are 4 hours away from SLC, so we're never at the tournaments. Yet we're still better than most of Utah, and the panelists know that. We don't get to prove ourselves as much as everyone else, and luckily the panelists accomodate.
As for videos? Utah just simply doesn't record every match. And even if we DID, do you expect the panelists to watch every single one, and think "Cdbobo should be ranked above Xsyven because, in this third video, he lands three fairs and then dsmashes him to death."
Followed by a: "I disagree, though he's a maniac pill popper, Xsyven's desynching against this person on video 4, after 3 minutes, is a tad more impressive than his pills a plenty."
That's just too much work...
Utah, if you haven't noticed, isn't Texas, Florida, or California... which are in fact the three most populated smash scenes in the country. It's sad to say, but Utah is one of the most smash desolate states in the US. So it's not as if it's a tough call.
You came too late into the argument. Since the new system was developed, I haven't heard any complaining, except from you, and you've only played me and Hott.
From now on, all OoSers need to stfu, except for Buzz, since he has a good grasp as to how everyone around here plays.
BattleChrist
Smash Lord
You know because I have NO idea of how good people in Utah are, I've only gone to more tournaments in Utah than Buzz and I haven't played almost everyone or anything so i shouldn't get an opinion that is considered or anything.
PitchD
Smash Apprentice
To Xsyven,
So what you're saying is...
You're basically an idiot right?
You just said the most thriving smash communities are working so you're going to do something totally different from it to what? Make it better?
And if you want to do power rankings you're going to have to deal with OoS criticism cause if you just want them to but out then you might as well not even do power rankings cause whats the point in having them if they're just supposed to be locally for Utah people to know of?
This panel you have from what I've heard is bias to constant tourney players which is pretty much the dumbest thing I've ever heard. If you want to base it all on that than you could just forget every power ranking from the best states out there thus no point o power rankings.
So why don't you try to make sense before you guys actually try to do some power rankings.
I was trying to be civil but Xsyven just wanted to bring out what he said.
And btw your smash community is just about as thriving as Idahos' so I can pretty much gather your concepts on rankings.
So basically what Im saying is, if you're going to follow every other rule out there about smash and what not, why would you not follow a logical state of mind with it and do as the "top states" have that seem to work.
-QraQ
So what you're saying is...
You're basically an idiot right?
You just said the most thriving smash communities are working so you're going to do something totally different from it to what? Make it better?
And if you want to do power rankings you're going to have to deal with OoS criticism cause if you just want them to but out then you might as well not even do power rankings cause whats the point in having them if they're just supposed to be locally for Utah people to know of?
This panel you have from what I've heard is bias to constant tourney players which is pretty much the dumbest thing I've ever heard. If you want to base it all on that than you could just forget every power ranking from the best states out there thus no point o power rankings.
So why don't you try to make sense before you guys actually try to do some power rankings.
I was trying to be civil but Xsyven just wanted to bring out what he said.
And btw your smash community is just about as thriving as Idahos' so I can pretty much gather your concepts on rankings.
So basically what Im saying is, if you're going to follow every other rule out there about smash and what not, why would you not follow a logical state of mind with it and do as the "top states" have that seem to work.
-QraQ
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While I have not personally observed any recent Utah tournaments, the only thing I can safely say is that the panelists do need to be elected and not self-appointed. It seems pretty unanimous (correct me if I am wrong) that Gojira should not be in charge of this thread. Aside from his ability to rank people (or lack thereof), the fact remains that Gojira feels he is in charge simply because he took some initiative and formed the rankings. On the other hand, I remember back when Utah smashers bickered back and forth about starting a power ranking list, Gojira refused to let anyone do it.
Let me share a piece from the history of Google in a book entitled "The Search". Are any of you familiar with how Google ranks its search results? They use something called PageRank. It is a system where pages are ranked based on how many other web pages link to that page. When Google was first released, some guy called in with a complain. He pointed out that when you run a search for Ulysses S. Grant, his web site came in at result #3. He said that results #2 and #1 were inferior sites and that his site had received numerous awards for presentation and information. He felt that his site should come in at #1 since it was the most informative and most professionally laid out.
You know what the creators of Google did? Nothing. They let the ranking system speak for itself. Sure, at first glance it would seem that this guy's award-winning site was indeed the best, but clearly the Internet had a different opinion in that there were obviously more links to the other two sites.
So, what's my point? The point is that there really ought to be less passing around of opinions and more calculation of results. Use a point system or something. Form a concrete path to the top rank. If the panelists feel an exception should be made, discuss it, but there better be a clear explanation as to why player B should be moved above player A (as in something like "player B was 3-stocking everyone he played in the tournament but had to leave to not miss work"). All I see is bickering about what everyone thinks about everyone else's rank.
QraQ, I understand what you are trying to get at, but it is true that Idaho and Utah simply do not have the same setups as other big smash states. Your proposed system works in thriving, super active communities, but it has to be done differently in desolate states such as these.
Let me share a piece from the history of Google in a book entitled "The Search". Are any of you familiar with how Google ranks its search results? They use something called PageRank. It is a system where pages are ranked based on how many other web pages link to that page. When Google was first released, some guy called in with a complain. He pointed out that when you run a search for Ulysses S. Grant, his web site came in at result #3. He said that results #2 and #1 were inferior sites and that his site had received numerous awards for presentation and information. He felt that his site should come in at #1 since it was the most informative and most professionally laid out.
You know what the creators of Google did? Nothing. They let the ranking system speak for itself. Sure, at first glance it would seem that this guy's award-winning site was indeed the best, but clearly the Internet had a different opinion in that there were obviously more links to the other two sites.
So, what's my point? The point is that there really ought to be less passing around of opinions and more calculation of results. Use a point system or something. Form a concrete path to the top rank. If the panelists feel an exception should be made, discuss it, but there better be a clear explanation as to why player B should be moved above player A (as in something like "player B was 3-stocking everyone he played in the tournament but had to leave to not miss work"). All I see is bickering about what everyone thinks about everyone else's rank.
QraQ, I understand what you are trying to get at, but it is true that Idaho and Utah simply do not have the same setups as other big smash states. Your proposed system works in thriving, super active communities, but it has to be done differently in desolate states such as these.
gnosis
Smash Lord
Currently the Regional Power Rankings Regulations only require a mission statement, a respected member of the community running the thread, and a bare minimum of three people on the panel.
The method of changing those three elements into a list of the best players in the state is left up to the individual states themselves.
That being said, there are probably some ways that are better than others; and, of course, some ways that are better in some regions than others.
For example, SoCal's thread claims that position is determined only by tournament play. That might work for them, but it wouldn't be appropriate for Idaho, which doesn't see many tournaments; we'd have to factor in more personal judgment (preferably of the sober, objective kind) from the panelists, derived from friendlies/vids/etc. Tournaments are too scarce to support a good rankings thread.
Not really taking a side, just throwing this out there.
Edit: So much Idaho in this thread
The method of changing those three elements into a list of the best players in the state is left up to the individual states themselves.
That being said, there are probably some ways that are better than others; and, of course, some ways that are better in some regions than others.
For example, SoCal's thread claims that position is determined only by tournament play. That might work for them, but it wouldn't be appropriate for Idaho, which doesn't see many tournaments; we'd have to factor in more personal judgment (preferably of the sober, objective kind) from the panelists, derived from friendlies/vids/etc. Tournaments are too scarce to support a good rankings thread.
Not really taking a side, just throwing this out there.
Edit: So much Idaho in this thread
When's the last time you've been to one, eh?
Go to more Utah tournaments so I don't forget about you again. xDYou didn't read my post, did you? I know it's tough when people disagree with you, but you're just going to have to buck up and gtfo, k thx.QraQ said:
We simply can't use the same system as California and Texas. They have 30 smashers per city, we don't even have 30 smashers.QraQ said:
Though I'm not entiiirely sure of what you're trying to say here, I'm going to saaay "yes". I find the Utah power rankings are for Utah smashers. Last time I checked, no one OoS cares that I'm #9 in Utah. People that are already in Utah want to know that I'm #9 in Utah. I bet there are a few people already keen on bumpin' me right off the list. Because I'm # 9, it makes me want to be a better smasher, and makes other people want to be better so that they can bump me off the list too.QraQ said:
So yes. Utah Rankings are for Utahns. It'd be silly to brag about being #9 in Utah. It's just not something to brag about.
So who are you to say anything about anything? You're an amazing player, but you just have no say in anything here.
Did I say that? I remember saying this:QraQ said:
Xsyven said:
Point systems don't make sense? There are less than 20 active smashers in Utah. About 15 are noticably good. It's NOT a tough decision for the most part.QraQ said:
Because we aren't a top state. We're Utah.QraQ said:
AHotGreasedUpJigglyPuff 4 Luvin'
Smash Journeyman
Can I just brake away for a second and commend Junepei for adding a green headband to my Jigglesworth on the power rankings? Good show!
Dark_Meow1
Smash Ace
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Hi Utah, I'm throwing a large scale four corners tournament, on october 27th, and I'm looking for a good turn up. Would Utah travel to Farmington, NM (its right next to the bottom of colorado *my home state*).
btw, just shake hands and call it good. ^.^ Thanx, hope you guys can show. (will check back)
btw, just shake hands and call it good. ^.^ Thanx, hope you guys can show. (will check back)
Dark_Meow1
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(sorry, it double posted the same thing for some reason)
FoxTheStampede
Smash Ace
Dark Meow, more Utah smashers will see your post if it's in the Utah Thread rather than here.
Our last trip to NM wasn't so great, so I don't know how well this would work out for Utah.
Our last trip to NM wasn't so great, so I don't know how well this would work out for Utah.
InterimOfZeal
Smash Champion
Since when has CO=NM? And you're coming.
Casture
Smash Apprentice
Ooooooo, power rankings. Dang, I need to get better. 
BattleChrist
Smash Lord
Utah and Idaho did go to a NM tourney and it was no good. The trip was fun but only because of some of the other people that showed up, most of the people in NM were b!tches to us.
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Isn't most of New Mexico like under the age of 16?
C!Z
Smash Lord
Not true for me Mr. Heath, joo know there's(atleast) one member that doesn't friendly me
GoldenGlove
Smash Ace
Eh!? Well, I apologize on behalf of whoever were *****es to you. Also, Buzz, Most of NM is 16+
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Junpei, I liked your old name better.
LIES!!! You liked Aging Raisin better
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I'm changing my name to Pompous Pancakes when Brawl hits.
Gojira
Smash Lord
I gojira am from Utah.
I have been to miltiple out of states tourneys.
Rankings our based of of this
-Attend Tourneys]. This is obviously something you have to do if you want to get ranked.
-Place high] This is one thing you also needs to do in tourneys. However high placings do not always mean you are really good. This takes me to the next point
-Who you beat in tourney]. placing high by beating crappy players obviously does not give you much credit as it would to beating other people such as RA or FTS.
-One final thing that affects power rankings slightly is how well you do vs certain opponets compared to others you can/can't beat. so player A can beat player B but cant beat player C who can also beat player B. That has an impact as well.
You cant base power rankings of friendlies. People do not take them seriously. They are dumb.
I have talked to a coordinator for the california power rankings.
Our system works.
GG have fun.
So rather then talking about the system lets talk about who is ranked where.
PitchD
Smash Apprentice
Who is your coordinator in Cali?
Cause I prolly know him.
I know 3 of the 4 for the regions of Cali.
They don't just run off their own way too.
They take on many idea from other top states.
I know cause I know the mods and coordinators of Texas.
So either he thought your would work for a small community or that isn't true.
I'm thinking small community.
Cause Cali definently does not base most of their rankings off of tourney play.
Btw on the "friendly" note: Progression of skill through constant friendly play is a means to support power rankings. Yes people have their good to bad days, but without friendly skill bases you would only have tourney play. Some of the best people I know and associate with just have a bad tourney repertoire. Yes it is pending who you play and what not but more importantly is based on obvious natural skill. A person who has an average win/loss ratio can be higher in power rankings to someone with a higher win/loss ratio.
For instance low tier players. There are many people out there who run mainly low tiers but still keep up with top tier characters ignoring the tier list completely. But you cant ignore the pro to cons of every character and what low tier players have to deal with ya know.
So what Im saying is skill, as far as rankings of Cali, Texas, etc. is concerned, is based on all around play through the %s I gave you before and not just tourney play.
-QraQ
BattleChrist
Smash Lord
I think its a vote sort of thing so that it stays fair but im not sure thats just what i've gotten from what other people have said.
PitchD
Smash Apprentice
Well for big states it's a municipal vote for 1 person from each major city to be in the panel.
Like Texas was Houston, Dallas, Austin, and San Antonio.
The vote takes place on the boards.
Has rules like not so many people from 1 city can vote for the person of their city etc etc.
To eleviate personal bias.
The panels for each city are decided by just a gathered vote of all the people of that city.
Usually it has people from different parts of the city but not all the time.
Ranging from 3 or 5 people (even #s lead to too much even voting conflicts).
Small states usually take on the same method that the cities of big states do.
-QraQ
Like Texas was Houston, Dallas, Austin, and San Antonio.
The vote takes place on the boards.
Has rules like not so many people from 1 city can vote for the person of their city etc etc.
To eleviate personal bias.
The panels for each city are decided by just a gathered vote of all the people of that city.
Usually it has people from different parts of the city but not all the time.
Ranging from 3 or 5 people (even #s lead to too much even voting conflicts).
Small states usually take on the same method that the cities of big states do.
-QraQ
GamerGuitarist7
Smash Champion
Hopefully this won't go against the rules of the thread, but Utah should send a few representatives from their PR to battle with the best of AZ at this tournament. Forawrd and Wobbles will be there.
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=116274
October 13th, sorry for the short notice
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=116274
October 13th, sorry for the short notice
InterimOfZeal
Smash Champion
Didn't Forward retire? Not that I'm complaining, haha.
GamerGuitarist7
Smash Champion
yeah he did but he went to scc and goop's az tourney 3 so he told me he'll come to this one too lol.