Official SWF Matchup Chart v2.0

[Ishiey]

Yeah, this project is not really feasible with our community. Some characters really lack rep, leading to absentee panels and not-fully-qualified panelists in an attempt to have enough people on a panel to not get overwhelmed in discussion. Then the part about how discussions all get tied up somehow, and that not everyone reports their changes, etc etc... it's a mess. I wouldn't expect to see a v4 unless we either heavily revamp the method to make it or find a sudden surge of active/intelligent posters that want to help out.

 

[SoulPech]

I'm always electing myself to rep my character (flex)

 

[Sunnysunny]

Oooh Soulpech~

*blush*

I never knew your tournament winnings were so...
BIG. <3

 

[Dekillsage]

Pause.

Pause!!!!

 

[SoulPech]

Oooh Soulpech~

*blush*

I never knew your tournament winnings were so...
BIG. <3

oh..

*ahem*

I dunno how I should respond to this X_X

 

[Shaya]

Yeah, this project is not really feasible with our community. Some characters really lack rep, leading to absentee panels and not-fully-qualified panelists in an attempt to have enough people on a panel to not get overwhelmed in discussion. Then the part about how discussions all get tied up somehow, and that not everyone reports their changes, etc etc... it's a mess. I wouldn't expect to see a v4 unless we either heavily revamp the method to make it or find a sudden surge of active/intelligent posters that want to help out.

I think Marc probably would've told you that would happen before hand, anyway

 

[Ishiey]

I was fairly well-aware of what I was getting into, all things considered haha. But yeah, this is rough X_x

 

[Luco]

I was fairly well-aware of what I was getting into, all things considered haha. But yeah, this is rough X_x

If you wanted to revamp the method you could do what is being done with the tier list. That is, use a community thread for people to be able to post an MU rating and why they think it should be changed (maybe the max number of times you're allowed to post there is like, 4 or something?), then use that as a reference when the BR looks into MUs?

I know there's a lot of issues with that but it's just a rough idea atm and... I guess it's something?

I personally enjoy this system, I just think we need more active and thoughtful posters. :/ Obviously it probably won't be like this for the first edition of smash 4's MU chart, assuming it has one.

 

[infiniteV115]

So now you're Gheb all of a sudden? You *******.

 

[Ishiey]

Luco, a method like that might be feasible, but then it creates no room for actual discussion which is pretty meh. And a public discussion is going to be total hell to draw anything directly from it :/

V115, Gheb and I have both been doing that for years lol. It's from like, what, 2009 maybe? Damn I've been on this site for a long time.

 

[Sunnysunny]

Unless each panel gets an equal amount of high level rep, I don't think we'll ever have a 100% accurate MU chart. =/

Hang in there Ishi.
Someones gotta carry the burden. <3

 

[-LzR-]

How can we ever get an accurate MU chart when we can't ever agree what the numbers mean?

 

[Sunnysunny]

Well, as it stands now the official meaning of the numbers are:

+1: small advantage
+2: medium advantage
+3: large advantage/hard counter
+4: (close to) unloseable

However...
When large upsets like M2K vs Ocean come along, people start to question what the numbers really mean. =/

 

[-LzR-]

Yes that's a pretty good list, but when people still get their own ideas like how for some a -2 MU (Marth vs GW) is considered impossibly hard and so on.

 

[Luco]

Yes that's a pretty good list, but when people still get their own ideas like how for some a -2 MU (Marth vs GW) is considered impossibly hard and so on.

lol yea I see that a lot too.

 

[BlueXenon]

Here is a video of the pikachu falco match up. I think I saw people talk about before.

 

[ShadowLink84]

Prepare to get Over B'd all night

THAT is how you should have responded.

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

Yeah, this project is not really feasible with our community. Some characters really lack rep, leading to absentee panels and not-fully-qualified panelists in an attempt to have enough people on a panel to not get overwhelmed in discussion. Then the part about how discussions all get tied up somehow, and that not everyone reports their changes, etc etc... it's a mess. I wouldn't expect to see a v4 unless we either heavily revamp the method to make it or find a sudden surge of active/intelligent posters that want to help out.

This is expected. There are a lot of problems with the panel right now. Without meaning to be rude, much of the low tier rep might as well have come from the "Who do you want to be in smash 4" topic on the smash 4 forums and several of the panels are completely inactive.

ZSS discussions have gone reasonably smoothly, but reading some of the other panels has been really difficult. lol

 

[SoulPech]

Expected that from someone who is higher tier. Just an FYI, my Panel is essentially done,except for one MU, but the Panel for it is inactive.

 

[SoulPech]

ignore...made a mistake.

 

[1PokeMastr]

I have a broken laptop.. and I've been really busy outside of home, I get home at 7pm each day :3

Right now I think mos of the dead panels are just waiting for someone new to post, instead of trying to agree upon something without the other members.

One a side note, I had a dream that I was being chased by Godzilla, and he could smell humans, and was personally trying to kill me.
I killed him once, then revived him, then I flew to Cali and hid there before waking up.

Poke vs Godzilla +2 Poke.
Camp in other houses.
Kill with guns :3

I am a Flaoc!

 

[Jabejazz]

Right now I think mos of the dead panels are just waiting for someone new to post, instead of trying to agree upon something without the other members.

What matters in the current metagame has been figured out for the most part an-

One a side note, I had a dream that I was being chased by Godzilla, and he could smell humans, and was personally trying to kill me.
I killed him once, then revived him, then I flew to Cali and hid there before waking up.

Poke vs Godzilla +2 Poke.
Camp in other houses.
Kill with guns :3

I am a Flaoc!

 

[pidgezero_one]

I am a Flaoc!

this is the cliffnotes' version of smashboards

 

[infiniteV115]

I am a Flaoc!

Not only are you a Flaoc, but it also seems that you currently reside in flaoc

 

[Shiny Mewtwo aka Jigglysir]

Not only are you a Flaoc, but it also seems that you currently reside in flaoc

He resides in himself :O

 

[PawnStar]

So is the self he resides in also residing in him?

 

[infiniteV115]

That's a really nice avatar.

 

[Luco]

That's a really nice avatar.

I prefer the signature.

Are the 'inactive' panels entirely inactive, as in, dead? Or is it like, one member that's there?

 

[Illuvial]

One a side note, I had a dream that I was being chased by Godzilla, and he could smell humans, and was personally trying to kill me.
I killed him once, then revived him, then I flew to Cali and hid there before waking up.

Poke vs Godzilla +2 Poke.
Camp in other houses.
Kill with guns :3

I am a Flaoc!

>MFW this post

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Mho4LC5aWQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

[Jabejazz]

>MFW this post
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Mho4LC5aWQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player

why

 

[1PokeMastr]

Does DDD even have hands ?
Like.. 5 fingers and all ? He has a thumb.. and a paddle.

This just in, DDD uses Paddles to grab people.
DDD IS A CANOE!

 

[infiniteV115]

>MFW this post

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Mho4LC5aWQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player

You didn't even pronounce it properly you scrub

 

[PawnStar]

That's a really nice avatar.

Thank you. Made it myself.

 

[da K.I.D.]

Luco, a method like that might be feasible, but then it creates no room for actual discussion which is pretty meh. And a public discussion is going to be total hell to draw anything directly from it :/

V115, Gheb and I have both been doing that for years lol. It's from like, what, 2009 maybe? Damn I've been on this site for a long time.

You forget to mention that you got it from the Sonic boards and the greatest poster to ever grace this forum with his words.

Boxob 4lyf

 

[Ishiey]

I actually got it from a social group (lol remember those?), from a different Sonic. But yeah, Sonic boards were pretty great. I miss the glory days.

 

[da K.I.D.]

Boxob was the original.

 

[BSP]

Yeah, this project is not really feasible with our community. Some characters really lack rep, leading to absentee panels and not-fully-qualified panelists in an attempt to have enough people on a panel to not get overwhelmed in discussion. Then the part about how discussions all get tied up somehow, and that not everyone reports their changes, etc etc... it's a mess. I wouldn't expect to see a v4 unless we either heavily revamp the method to make it or find a sudden surge of active/intelligent posters that want to help out.

Why not just do it for top and high tier only? Less characters to worry about, so it should go faster with less chance of people losing interest.

 

[1PokeMastr]

Because choosing the better and only catering to one part of a group is unfair to everyone, if you'll do one part, do the other part.

 

[ぱみゅ]

*IMO*
The Chart can't be done like tier lists, having different whole instalements published once each one is completed, that is a far too ambitious goal that can not be completed with our community as it is.
It may be better if it's constantly changing (but strict and not really permissive), so it can cope with the inactivity from some panels.
maybe...

 

[Jabejazz]

Agreed, I don't think we'd need to wait for everything to be done to release the next version of a chart.
Instead being able to update it whenever a matchup discussion ends, probably via something like a google document.
A color code could probably be applied to matchups that aren't necessarily up to date (read not discussed).