Yeah, but ESAM's been doing this for years. This is one exception where he's just been doing the same thing for far too long for us to be attributing it to his 'outlier' status. I came on here in 2010 and made these arguments regarding Pika:Snake and was given these same exact answers (some of them from you, btw
). I'm a little disappointed that people are clinging to this so long after that time. The very moment people started labelling him as an outlier, they should have been watching him and his matches VERY closely to see just what was going on in the MU so that outlier status didn't 'stick', at least not in any way other than the fact that he's the
only Pika main that matters. You can only hide your laziness for so long, man.
We can't hold up a display of Pika's metagame advancement just because other players don't have the balls/brains to actually do work with the char.
1.) Actually, the only top tier character to whom that logic somewhat applies to is Diddy Kong. From 2010 to now Snake, Olimar, MK and Ice Climbers all had a good 4 players who at one point brought in huge results. You could remove the most accomplished player from each character and would still end up with amazing wins / records from the 3+ other players those characters have.
What about all those
other Top Tier characters?
Trela doesn't play a char that's viable as a solo-main (imo)
I know that was your opinion, but this thread's main purpose is to discuss opinions, and I think your opinion is wrong. Lucario is like a 'ZSS Mark Half'. He has almost no disadvantages worse than a slight one. He's 'Mark Half' because he loses to MK more than a little.
This thread is making my head hurt.
Pocket Marths are not gonna beat good Warios.
Wario is actually really good at fighting his -2s believe it or not.
This might hold true for MK and Marth, but it definitely doesn't hold for arguably his hardest -2, DDD. DDD's bair outranges all of Wario's aerial moveset, and lolgrab, so we beat Wario both in the air and on the ground, despite this MU being a heavily ground-based char against an
extremely aerial-based char. If you're good enough with your timing, you should never be lacking a kill move due to staling. Grab release combos into fair, bair, usmash, and utilt.
GOOD 'pocket DDDs' will probably beat good Warios, because how much is there for you to learn about this MU? As long as you can CG, bair when you're supposed to, and mash the C-stick, you're home-free.