NU to OU: The Next Chapter

[Wave⁂]

This is the same as Adaptability. The only difference is that the opponent can affect it.

Also, Porygon-Z outclasses Adaptability Exploud (work with me here) with its higher everything-except-physical-attack stats.

EDIT: It's actually a bit worse when you add in Clear Body not being affected.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

An automatic Psuedo Haze ability....

We're doing NU to OU, not NU to Ubers.

Not really, if you're only affecting a defense -1, it's not all that bad if you think about it.

-Terywj

 

[Bowser_Gangsta]

Isnt Exploud more bulky than Pory-z?

 

[UltiMario]

Exploud: 104/63/63 Defenses
Porygon-Z: 85/70/75 Defenses.

They're about the same in terms of bulkiness.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Exactly, so being able to -1 a defense of an opponent on switchin isn't that bad.

Shriek is what we will call it.

-Terywj

 

[Oracle]

He still needs a few more moves, like tbolt and a fighting move like superpower or CC. And maybe a tad more speed, like base 70 or something.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

There's a nice list under the OP already as far as new moves go.

-Terywj

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Alrighty! I've lagged off but as far as Round 3 is concerned I'm opening the floor up for suggestions!

What'll it be, guys?

-Terywj

 

[mood4food77]

raichu, octillery, rampardos, glaceon, granbull, and sharpedo

 

[Metal~Mario]

Has Electrode already been done?

I'd love to see Farfy, too.

 

[mood4food77]

farfy has no hope of becoming OU without an Evo, that'll move into the evolution discussion

we could do electrode and i have an idea on how it can be done too
simply give it SR, it'll become an amazing lead

Electrode @ Focus Sash
Hasty/Static
252 Atk/208 Spe/50 SpA
Taunt
Stealth Rock
Thunderbolt
Explosion

He runs just enough speed to outrun neutral base 85 pokes carrying choice scarf, He outspeeds all leads except for Choice Scarf Jirachi's, meaning that he is pretty much guaranteed to set up SR for you, great suicide lead status. More Atk EVs so Explosion is stronger, allowing him to deal one final blow before going out. Thunderbolt is for STAB. Effectively, this is a faster but weaker Azelf. Azelf's big advantage is levitate since a lot of leads are probably going to carry earthquake but that doesn't matter much anyways since Electrode is going to die in 1 hit. Static is there just to hope the opponent gets paralyzed, it's better than nothing.

or another possible set:

Electrode @ Damp Rock
Timid (or Jolly)/Static
252 SpA (or Atk)/248 Spe/10 Def
Rain Dance
Stealth Rock
Taunt
Thunder/Explosion/Light Screen

With this set, he becomes an absolutely beastly lead for Rain Dance teams. Setting up the big hazard, stopping the opponent from doing so, and then setting up Rain Dance for the rest of his team to benefit. Choosing between Thunder and Explosion is entirely up to you, he's not going to survive much past getting up 2 of the 3 support moves, you could put Light Screen there if you want as extra support but it's not recommended. Thunder has perfect accuracy in rain and Explosion is his final blow move. 248 EVs in Spe gives him 415 Spe, the lowest number needed to outrun a positive natured Choice Scarf Nidoqueen and Hitmonchan (it hits 414), it's just so he can outrun everything possible. With this set, Rain Dance becomes even deadlier.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

The question is, would that make Electrode too good? Obviously a Ghost-type Pokemon would be a much-needed teammate to Electrode, preventing Rapid Spin. Froslass comes to mind, being able to also lay down more entry hazards in the form of Spikes.

-Terywj

 

[mood4food77]

no, because after he sets up SR and whatever else he needs to, he's pretty much disposable

Azelf and Aerodactyl on the other hand, can come in handy for late game sweeping if you need it. It's another bad thing about using Electrode over other suicide leads, he doesn't do much of anything besides setting up SR. I don't think it would be broken.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Well Electrode Exploding is somewhat helpful, although just not on Ghost-types, obviously.

What I think I'll do with this project is just have these lil' popcorn discussions, and then add the said Pokemon with updates in the OP, how does that sound?

-Terywj

 

[mood4food77]

sounds good

my idea for raichu was to let it have some boost off of light ball, a 1.5x boost, since 2x would be broken

with a 1.5x boost, it would give it a much needed offensive boost without changing anything to it besides it's hold item of choice

base 110 speed is fast but not broken and it's frailty keeps it balanced, meaning it's going to hit first or die

 

[supermarth64]

Aerodactyl is OU and all that it does is Taunt and set up SR.

Electrode is that, plus Explosion and has an Electric-typing for Iron Head/Meteor Mash/Bullet Punch.

Granted, it's Attack isn't very high, but it's the Speed that matters (see Aero).

Stealth Rock will do a buttload.

 

[mood4food77]

aero can at least deal damage

and electrode is 2HKO'd by almost any priority move, it's that frail

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I'm not running any calculations or anything but Supermarth did bring up a point where Electrode resists Bullet Punch.

-Terywj

 

[mood4food77]

wow, leadgross doesn't even do 25% to electrode
choice band scizor does about 50% with a bullet punch
leadrichi does about 37% at most

that's actually pretty good considering those are the 3 big steel move users

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I believe that's why Supermarth is saying that's a problem.

-Terywj

 

[Metal~Mario]

wow, leadgross doesn't even do 25% to electrode
choice band scizor does about 50% with a bullet punch
leadrichi does about 37% at most

that's actually pretty good considering those are the 3 big steel move users

Trode is a lot better than he looks.

He should get every special move ending with the word "ball" since in his pokedex entry, he is speculated to be a form of energy instead of a physical being.

Shadow Ball, Energy Ball, Weather Ball.....

Aura Sphere is probably taking it too far, but you get what I'm saying.

Spoiler

We should give him bounce for the lulz

 

[mood4food77]

well, if he learned shadow ball and energy ball, he could run a specs set quite well

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I'd be all for giving all the "ballsy" moves to Electrode.

-Terywj

 

[Metal~Mario]

I'd be all for giving all the "ballsy" moves to Electrode.

-Terywj

Another sig-worthy post courtesy of the Terywj! YAY!

I agree with M4F concerning the Raichu buff.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Here's a few Pokemon I'd like to discuss:

-Terywj

 

[Metal~Mario]

Rampardos needs moar speed (25 more would be nice).

Period.

And perhaps Rock Head.

 

[Wave⁂]

Slowking needs nothing, he's already gaining usage in UU and is God Tier in NU.

Victreebel is simply outclassed by lots.

Rampardos wants to be Rhyperior.
I challenge ANYONE to make Rampardos OU without making it a Rhyperior with some extra moves.

 

[Metal~Mario]

Rampardos wants to be Rhyperior.
I challenge ANYONE to make Rampardos OU without making it a Rhyperior with some extra moves.

Fine.

120 Base Speed.

Done.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Yeah, Metal~Mario got you there. Rampardos would rather keep Mold Breaker to obliterate Levitators with Earthquake, and having a blistering base 120 Speed would benefit him greatly.

His defenses would still be crap, though.

-Terywj

 

[Wave⁂]

Fine.

120 Base Speed.

Done.

Changing base stats is allowed?

 

[Metal~Mario]

Yeah, Metal~Mario got you there. Rampardos would rather keep Mold Breaker to obliterate Levitators with Earthquake, and having a blistering base 120 Speed would benefit him greatly.

His defenses would still be crap, though.

-Terywj

Which is what Hippowdon is for.

@Annoying: Tery's kind enough to let us do it (with reasonable restrictions)

Why would a Dino that runs all day have only 58 Base Speed?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Rules

• Stat enhancements will be allowed, but the submission must be realistic.

-Terywj

Changing base stats is allowed?

That was one of the differences between the last NU to OU and this NU to OU.

Of course base 120 Speed is ridiculous for Rampardos / Rock-type Pokemon but I was using Metal~Mario's suggestion as an example.

-Terywj

 

[Metal~Mario]

I just looked at Smogon and Rampardos can't learn Ice Punch.

It would be really helpful for Hippo/Bulky Grounds.

 

[Wave⁂]

Enough Speed to outrun +natured base 100s after a Rock Polish?

 

[Metal~Mario]

^Hmmm.....

You'll need 165 spd.

Rampardos can already do that with a neutral speed nature and 52 speed EVs.

 

[Wave⁂]

Oh wait, Rock Polish is +2, derp

Outrun Timid Scarf Rotom. There.

 

[Metal~Mario]

Just Rotom? Not Rotom-A?

Hmm....464 Speed.

Rampardos needs +Speed Nature and 240 Speed EVs to outrun Scarftom.

But with 70 Base Speed, he can afford to go Adamant and can still beat Scarftom after Rock Polish (and 228 Speed EVs).

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I like base 70, but I'm not sure if that's pushing things too far.

-Terywj

 

[Metal~Mario]

I like base 70, but I'm not sure if that's pushing things too far.

-Terywj

Why would a Dino that runs all day have only 58 Base Speed?

Asked and Answered, your Honor.

12 more Base Speed isn't game-breaking.

 

[Wave⁂]

OU has really high standards, I don't think Jolly will cut it up there. He'll probably need Adamant for some random 2HKO.