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NU to OU: The Next Chapter
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Terywj [태리]
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Oh okay. So Dodrio changes should we worth testing, maybe?
mood4food77
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normal/flying is bad
it's the only thing holding staraptor from OU
seriously, if it was fighting/flying (like it should be), he'd instantly be OU and possibly a top 15 (maybe even top 10) poke used
if togekiss wasn't normal/flying, it would be so much better than it already is
the type combo can only switch in on bug (not often seen), grass (outside of HP and grass knot, this is never seen), ghost (basically not on anything that isn't a ghost), and ground (pretty much the only good thing about the typing)
being weak to SR and taking neutral damage at worst from 13 of the 17 types doesn't help make a case for it
also, normal/flying is a horrible STAB combo, steel, rock, and Rotom wall you into oblivion
it's the only thing holding staraptor from OU
seriously, if it was fighting/flying (like it should be), he'd instantly be OU and possibly a top 15 (maybe even top 10) poke used
if togekiss wasn't normal/flying, it would be so much better than it already is
the type combo can only switch in on bug (not often seen), grass (outside of HP and grass knot, this is never seen), ghost (basically not on anything that isn't a ghost), and ground (pretty much the only good thing about the typing)
being weak to SR and taking neutral damage at worst from 13 of the 17 types doesn't help make a case for it
also, normal/flying is a horrible STAB combo, steel, rock, and Rotom wall you into oblivion
mood4food77
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togekiss is still screwed over by her typing, she'd be top 5 if she wasn't normal/flying
seriously, it's such a bad typing
i still suggest changing staraptor to fighting/flying
seriously, it's such a bad typing
i still suggest changing staraptor to fighting/flying
CRASHiC
Smash Hero
Oh my hahahahaha. Well that wouldn't work so well.
Doing some damage calcs, being able to hit the Pokemon it needs to with Extreme Speed, Vacume Wave would be a bit overkill. I do wish we could give it a priority move for its special set, but it doesn't really seem plausible if we wish to stick with aesthetics. At the moment, the mixed set completely outclasses the special with fewer walls, greater type coverage, and access to a strong STAB priority. He'll have to be given Hyper Voice, Air Slash to make up for these features. Hyper Voice gives him a more powerful STAB than what is found on a mixed set, when you consider Adaptability boost that is.
The only way I see to fix this issue is to get rid of Earthquake. This single move grants Dodrio far too much coverage on its mixed set, and even makes it tempting to run a pure physical set, not where I'd like to see Dodrio go. I say we leave Earthquake as a signature to another Normal/Flying. No, I say we give Earthquake to Ferrow. Consider that Earthquake counters a large portion of Fearow's counters. Other than Dodrio, this seems to be the only Normal/Flying pokemon who could aesthetically use Earthquake.
Now onto Farfetch'd. If we can fix Farfetch, we can fix ANY Normal/Flying Pokemon, and I believe we can. Basing him around his signature Leek, you can come up with a pretty fitting Pokemon with a very unique and interesting movepool. By granting him access to select Water and Grass moves, we allow him to circumspect the usual Normal/Flying counter.
Thick Fat/Water Veil
90/105/75/100/80/90
Movepool additions: Power Whip, Water Sport, Aqua Jet, Aqua Tail, Dive, Waterfall, Brave Bird
Now for a bit of explanation for the abilities, both of these are based on the duriable feathers and oils that ducks have on them, to protect them from the elements and to help them float on water. Thick Fat adds to its bulk while Water Veil adds to its sweeping abilities. The movepool should be rather obvious and require no explanation. The new stats are also very helpful to him, providing him with the ability to take use of these non STAB attacks, the only questionable one probably being Waterfall.
Rather than address the problems that come with being a Normal/Flying type, I gave Farfetched a completely unique movepool and typing combination. The Thick Fat ability keeps Sharpedo from ruining Farfetches day with Ice Shard, while also providing him with some added bulk to makeup for his lack of defensive stats.
Now onto Swellow. So far we've crafted attackers with Normal/Flying, but with Swellow I wanted to create more of a bulky attacker with blazing fast speed, and the odd trait of wanting to be statused.
HP 110
Defense: 110
Special Attack: 40
Special Defense: 80
new BST: 540
Switcheroo, Sucker Punch, Knock Off, Faint Attack, Punishment, Night Slash
The basic idea behind this Swellow is the anti-Togekiss. While togekiss is a specially offensive, specially defensive bulky Pokemon with a large movepool of Psychic moves, Swellow is a physically offensive and defensive pokemon with a large movepool of Dark moves. The combo of Switcheroo and Guts is very interesting, the ability to absorb the burn from a flame orb, then pass the orb onto the opponent while steeling their Leftovers is an amazing, and unique asset for Swellow.
I'll post my thoughts on the remaining Normal/Flying pokemon, I'm a little bit tired of typing for now. Normal Flying isn't a bad typing at all, its the Pokemon themselves who suck and need a lot of boosting.
EDIT- After further review, Swellow will be cut and put on hold for this bit.
Doing some damage calcs, being able to hit the Pokemon it needs to with Extreme Speed, Vacume Wave would be a bit overkill. I do wish we could give it a priority move for its special set, but it doesn't really seem plausible if we wish to stick with aesthetics. At the moment, the mixed set completely outclasses the special with fewer walls, greater type coverage, and access to a strong STAB priority. He'll have to be given Hyper Voice, Air Slash to make up for these features. Hyper Voice gives him a more powerful STAB than what is found on a mixed set, when you consider Adaptability boost that is.
The only way I see to fix this issue is to get rid of Earthquake. This single move grants Dodrio far too much coverage on its mixed set, and even makes it tempting to run a pure physical set, not where I'd like to see Dodrio go. I say we leave Earthquake as a signature to another Normal/Flying. No, I say we give Earthquake to Ferrow. Consider that Earthquake counters a large portion of Fearow's counters. Other than Dodrio, this seems to be the only Normal/Flying pokemon who could aesthetically use Earthquake.
Now onto Farfetch'd. If we can fix Farfetch, we can fix ANY Normal/Flying Pokemon, and I believe we can. Basing him around his signature Leek, you can come up with a pretty fitting Pokemon with a very unique and interesting movepool. By granting him access to select Water and Grass moves, we allow him to circumspect the usual Normal/Flying counter.
Thick Fat/Water Veil
90/105/75/100/80/90
Movepool additions: Power Whip, Water Sport, Aqua Jet, Aqua Tail, Dive, Waterfall, Brave Bird
Now for a bit of explanation for the abilities, both of these are based on the duriable feathers and oils that ducks have on them, to protect them from the elements and to help them float on water. Thick Fat adds to its bulk while Water Veil adds to its sweeping abilities. The movepool should be rather obvious and require no explanation. The new stats are also very helpful to him, providing him with the ability to take use of these non STAB attacks, the only questionable one probably being Waterfall.
Rather than address the problems that come with being a Normal/Flying type, I gave Farfetched a completely unique movepool and typing combination. The Thick Fat ability keeps Sharpedo from ruining Farfetches day with Ice Shard, while also providing him with some added bulk to makeup for his lack of defensive stats.
Now onto Swellow. So far we've crafted attackers with Normal/Flying, but with Swellow I wanted to create more of a bulky attacker with blazing fast speed, and the odd trait of wanting to be statused.
HP 110
Defense: 110
Special Attack: 40
Special Defense: 80
new BST: 540
Switcheroo, Sucker Punch, Knock Off, Faint Attack, Punishment, Night Slash
The basic idea behind this Swellow is the anti-Togekiss. While togekiss is a specially offensive, specially defensive bulky Pokemon with a large movepool of Psychic moves, Swellow is a physically offensive and defensive pokemon with a large movepool of Dark moves. The combo of Switcheroo and Guts is very interesting, the ability to absorb the burn from a flame orb, then pass the orb onto the opponent while steeling their Leftovers is an amazing, and unique asset for Swellow.
I'll post my thoughts on the remaining Normal/Flying pokemon, I'm a little bit tired of typing for now. Normal Flying isn't a bad typing at all, its the Pokemon themselves who suck and need a lot of boosting.
EDIT- After further review, Swellow will be cut and put on hold for this bit.
mood4food77
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normal/flying is a bad typing
you resist only 4 types in total and your offensive coverage is pathetic
rotom, steels, and rock types resist both of your STAB, and rotom in general just ***** EVERY normal/flying type poke in the game because of his typing alone
also, being weak to SR doesn't help anyone in that matter
you resist only 4 types in total and your offensive coverage is pathetic
rotom, steels, and rock types resist both of your STAB, and rotom in general just ***** EVERY normal/flying type poke in the game because of his typing alone
also, being weak to SR doesn't help anyone in that matter
mood4food77
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it'll help, but not entirely
the typing still has SR to deal with and the fact it practically resists nothing
the typing still has SR to deal with and the fact it practically resists nothing
Wave⁂
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dohohohoho
I think m4f is trying to say something
mood4food77
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why use staraptor when flygon can do the same thing WHILE not getting ****ed over by SR
why use togekiss when infernape (NP), jirachi (serene grace) and blissey (special walling and wish passing) do it's jobs better and aren't ****ed over by SR
togekiss are staraptor are good pokemon completely ****ed over by their typing
change their typing and they become sooooo much better
why use togekiss when infernape (NP), jirachi (serene grace) and blissey (special walling and wish passing) do it's jobs better and aren't ****ed over by SR
togekiss are staraptor are good pokemon completely ****ed over by their typing
change their typing and they become sooooo much better
Moozle
Smash Champion
I've been thinking of ways to fix Exeggutor. What do you all think about changing its type to Grass/Dark and giving it compoundeyes and Will-O-Wisp? It may just be an annoying spreader of sleep and burn, but Leaf storm, explosion, sunny day, leech seed, and stun spore set it apart from some others. Maybe its defenses should be boosted?
Compoundeyes might not fit perfectly aesthetically, but it's not too far of a stretch.
Compoundeyes might not fit perfectly aesthetically, but it's not too far of a stretch.
Terywj [태리]
Charismatic Maknae~
Compoundeyes could work, kinda. Exeggutor does have three heads and six eyes.
CRASHiC
Smash Hero
Mood4Food, Normal/Flying isn't a bad typing. Its an average typing with as many flaws as positives. Its not a horrible bad typing by any means. A horrible typing would be Water/rock, Bug/Flying, Ice/Flying, Fire/Flying, Fire/Bug. All of these are horrible typing with no potential whatsoever. Flying/Normal on the other hand comes with few advantages and few disadvantages. The things that you claim make it a "horrible" typing can be said about a large number of other viable type combos in the game.
Steel Types will not be a huge problem considering nearly all of the Pokemon I listed above. Fearrow running with Earthquake can hit the majority of them aside from Skarmory and Bronzong hard without losing a wink of sleep. Dodrio will not fear Steel/Rock types either, thanks to its speed, Fire and Ice attacks, hitting Steels in the SpDef where they hate it the most. Farfetch's purpose is a bit irrelvant to the standard counters, and rock types can not counter him thanks to Leaf Blade, Aqua Jet, Waterfall, and other new movepool additions. On top of that, Thick Fat gives Farfetch'd only two weaknesses, and three resistences, while using Mud Sport can rid of another one of his weaknesses. Swellow is also not concerned by pokemon resisting his STABS thanks to his bulk and new stall techniques. Guts Plus Switcheroo Plus base 125 speed allows him to wreck a lot of havoc on an opponents team in a lot of ways. Having only three weaknesses, as well as being able to cripple their opponent with Status aids him in his ability to wall out an opponent. Having a large number of Dark Attacks, and running guts, he doesn't fear Rotom forms either.
Normal/Flying type is just okay. It has no outstanding weaknesses, and no outstanding strengths, but the pokemon themselves are fairly poor and weak, with the exception of Togekiss. All of the above Pokemon I believe are completely viable in OU given these buffs. Sure, you could bring up counters to each, that's not an issue. You WANT pokemon to have counters.
Moving on
Pidgeot, according to Bulbapedia, is based on Ra, the egyption Sun God. Keep that in mind on the following version of Piegeot:
Quick Feet/Air Lock
HP: 88
Attack: 127
Defense: 75
SpA 50
Sp.Def: 50
Speed: 110
Flare Blitz, Flame Wheel, Volt Tackle, Spark, Wish
All of this based on the idea of sun god Ra. Fire and Lighting attacks, Quick Feet to free up his BST, Air Lock to give him so situational but interesting utility, and Wish to make up for his lack of bulk and reliance on self damaging moves. Fire/Lighting has a powerful type coverage. The physical combination itself can only be obtained by Smeargal.
Noctowl
Insomnia/Klutz
HP: 120 Defense: 98, Special Defense: 121
Trick, Wish, Will-O-Wisp, Amnesia, Calm Mind
This is about the only thing we could do for Noctowl, make him a heavily defensive Pokemon with some minor support capabilities. Not much left to hand out I'm afraid. Klutz and Trick do make an interesting combo though, and Insomnia helps to alleviate any Jumpluff problems your team might have. He can rely on Night Shade to do damage, similar to Blissey.
Staraptor:
108 speed
Superpower, Sky Uppercut, Vital Throw
Now that almost all Normal/Flying types have an answer or way to work around Steel and Rock types, Staraptor needs something new, something else to give it a boost. Superpower is the answer here. I've also gave him Vital Throw, a seemingly unimportant attack, until you consider using it against a Skarmory trying to stall out Staraptor. You predict a Roost, use it, and damage them badly.
There you have it, aside from Noctowl, I'm confident that everyone of these Normal/Flying Pokemon are viable, with none of their stats or movepools entering Pesudeo Legendary status.
Steel Types will not be a huge problem considering nearly all of the Pokemon I listed above. Fearrow running with Earthquake can hit the majority of them aside from Skarmory and Bronzong hard without losing a wink of sleep. Dodrio will not fear Steel/Rock types either, thanks to its speed, Fire and Ice attacks, hitting Steels in the SpDef where they hate it the most. Farfetch's purpose is a bit irrelvant to the standard counters, and rock types can not counter him thanks to Leaf Blade, Aqua Jet, Waterfall, and other new movepool additions. On top of that, Thick Fat gives Farfetch'd only two weaknesses, and three resistences, while using Mud Sport can rid of another one of his weaknesses. Swellow is also not concerned by pokemon resisting his STABS thanks to his bulk and new stall techniques. Guts Plus Switcheroo Plus base 125 speed allows him to wreck a lot of havoc on an opponents team in a lot of ways. Having only three weaknesses, as well as being able to cripple their opponent with Status aids him in his ability to wall out an opponent. Having a large number of Dark Attacks, and running guts, he doesn't fear Rotom forms either.
Normal/Flying type is just okay. It has no outstanding weaknesses, and no outstanding strengths, but the pokemon themselves are fairly poor and weak, with the exception of Togekiss. All of the above Pokemon I believe are completely viable in OU given these buffs. Sure, you could bring up counters to each, that's not an issue. You WANT pokemon to have counters.
Moving on
Pidgeot, according to Bulbapedia, is based on Ra, the egyption Sun God. Keep that in mind on the following version of Piegeot:
Quick Feet/Air Lock
HP: 88
Attack: 127
Defense: 75
SpA 50
Sp.Def: 50
Speed: 110
Flare Blitz, Flame Wheel, Volt Tackle, Spark, Wish
All of this based on the idea of sun god Ra. Fire and Lighting attacks, Quick Feet to free up his BST, Air Lock to give him so situational but interesting utility, and Wish to make up for his lack of bulk and reliance on self damaging moves. Fire/Lighting has a powerful type coverage. The physical combination itself can only be obtained by Smeargal.
Noctowl
Insomnia/Klutz
HP: 120 Defense: 98, Special Defense: 121
Trick, Wish, Will-O-Wisp, Amnesia, Calm Mind
This is about the only thing we could do for Noctowl, make him a heavily defensive Pokemon with some minor support capabilities. Not much left to hand out I'm afraid. Klutz and Trick do make an interesting combo though, and Insomnia helps to alleviate any Jumpluff problems your team might have. He can rely on Night Shade to do damage, similar to Blissey.
Staraptor:
108 speed
Superpower, Sky Uppercut, Vital Throw
Now that almost all Normal/Flying types have an answer or way to work around Steel and Rock types, Staraptor needs something new, something else to give it a boost. Superpower is the answer here. I've also gave him Vital Throw, a seemingly unimportant attack, until you consider using it against a Skarmory trying to stall out Staraptor. You predict a Roost, use it, and damage them badly.
There you have it, aside from Noctowl, I'm confident that everyone of these Normal/Flying Pokemon are viable, with none of their stats or movepools entering Pesudeo Legendary status.
Wave⁂
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SoulSilver
It spreads its beautiful wings wide to frighten its enemies. It can fly at Mach 2 speed.
Mach 2 != base 65
Noctowl sucks, Lilibelle does that already.
Staraptor already *****, he just needs more team support than the average OU Pokémon.
It spreads its beautiful wings wide to frighten its enemies. It can fly at Mach 2 speed.
Mach 2 != base 65
Noctowl sucks, Lilibelle does that already.
Staraptor already *****, he just needs more team support than the average OU Pokémon.
Terywj [태리]
Charismatic Maknae~
Staraptor also wouldn't mind becoming Fighting / Flying so Stealth Rock doesn't **** it and it gets STAB on Close Combat.
mood4food77
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staraptor has everything it needs
it just gets ***** by SR
making it fighting/flying will make it the best scarf user you could imagine as fighting/flying is a very good STAB combo
also, CC>Superpower
for staraptor to **** in the normal metagame, you MUST have a spinner and have something to remove rotom, which is where lies the problem, you must use 2 different pokes to make 1 usable
it just gets ***** by SR
making it fighting/flying will make it the best scarf user you could imagine as fighting/flying is a very good STAB combo
also, CC>Superpower
for staraptor to **** in the normal metagame, you MUST have a spinner and have something to remove rotom, which is where lies the problem, you must use 2 different pokes to make 1 usable
CRASHiC
Smash Hero
Yes, that's the one problem with Pidgeot. Of course, this would be far from the first time that the Pokedex didn't matchup with the BSTs and/or movepool, and I'm talking about outside of our adjustments and in the Pokemon game's themselves.
There is very little that you can do with Noctowl that hasn't already been done by another Pokemon, so instead I gave him the capability to do several things at an above average level, sort of like the Dragonite of Normal/Flying.
The fact that Staraptor needs additional team support is not a reason not to boost him. There are a lot of Pokemon who work with a bit more team support, sure, you could run nearly any UU Pokemon with a bit more team support, and even some NU Pokemon. Staraptor isn't a Shedninja. Boosting his movepool and Speed slightly is all he needs really, but he in fact does need it.
Mood4Food, I don't know if you were paying attention, but we are buffing THE EVIL GLALIE into an anti-ghost rapid spinner who is Ice/Dark with rapid spin. And no, Staraptor doesn't have everything it needs, otherwise it wouldn't have any issue competing in OU. Just giving him faster speed does a world of good for him.
There is very little that you can do with Noctowl that hasn't already been done by another Pokemon, so instead I gave him the capability to do several things at an above average level, sort of like the Dragonite of Normal/Flying.
The fact that Staraptor needs additional team support is not a reason not to boost him. There are a lot of Pokemon who work with a bit more team support, sure, you could run nearly any UU Pokemon with a bit more team support, and even some NU Pokemon. Staraptor isn't a Shedninja. Boosting his movepool and Speed slightly is all he needs really, but he in fact does need it.
Mood4Food, I don't know if you were paying attention, but we are buffing THE EVIL GLALIE into an anti-ghost rapid spinner who is Ice/Dark with rapid spin. And no, Staraptor doesn't have everything it needs, otherwise it wouldn't have any issue competing in OU. Just giving him faster speed does a world of good for him.
Terywj [태리]
Charismatic Maknae~
You guys have completely ignored Exeggutor's change submission from Mozzle. 
CRASHiC
Smash Hero
Sorry, there's been a lot a lot of text to respond to, and my responses and creations have taken an hour at a time hahahaha.
Ulti has two great ideas, and if we are going to buff Exeggutor in this way, it will be needed, otherwise Sleep will be way to rampent in the metagame. The idea is to buff Tropious and Shiftry, give Tropious Insomnia, and Shiftry Vital Spirit making them both immune to Sleep and to Leech Seed. Tropious would be bulky while Shiftry would be quick and fast. He would be faster than Infernape but weaker.
Shiftry would become:
Chlor/Vital Spirit
110 Speed, 100 SpA
Wood Hammer, EARTH POWER
Tropious would be:
Cholr/Insomnia
118 Atk 73 Def 102 SpA 78 SpD
Agility, Bounce, Wood Hammer
So here we have two Pokemon for all those Jumpluff haters out there, who are also viable outside of this single use. Immune to leech seed and sleep. Counters Breloom/Jumpluff/and other pokemon like that.
Is there any chance we can get this wrapped up by mid day tommorrow? I'd like to have all of the changes we'd like programmed before the first episode of Shark Week.
If you are going to give it Dark type, it would also be a good idea to make it Physical. Woodhammer already provides it physical STAB. Dark Pulse really isn't anything to brag about, and sadly its the only special dark attack. Wood Hammer does remove its reliance on Solar Beam. Yes, its defenses will have to be buffed, the only question is how should they be buffed? His weaknesses are so odd, I don't know if he should by physically defensive of specially defensive. Specially would probably work better would be my guess at the time, but I would need to crunch numbers.
Ulti has two great ideas, and if we are going to buff Exeggutor in this way, it will be needed, otherwise Sleep will be way to rampent in the metagame. The idea is to buff Tropious and Shiftry, give Tropious Insomnia, and Shiftry Vital Spirit making them both immune to Sleep and to Leech Seed. Tropious would be bulky while Shiftry would be quick and fast. He would be faster than Infernape but weaker.
Shiftry would become:
Chlor/Vital Spirit
110 Speed, 100 SpA
Wood Hammer, EARTH POWER
Tropious would be:
Cholr/Insomnia
118 Atk 73 Def 102 SpA 78 SpD
Agility, Bounce, Wood Hammer
So here we have two Pokemon for all those Jumpluff haters out there, who are also viable outside of this single use. Immune to leech seed and sleep. Counters Breloom/Jumpluff/and other pokemon like that.
Is there any chance we can get this wrapped up by mid day tommorrow? I'd like to have all of the changes we'd like programmed before the first episode of Shark Week.
Terywj [태리]
Charismatic Maknae~
Base 9 HP for Tropius? I think you meant 90?
CRASHiC
Smash Hero
Keep Eggy Grass/Psychic. Let it have Insomnia. Make it faster than Tropius, but slower than Shiftry. Like, 75-85 speed. It has mixed good/bad offense with good/bad defenses already, so it already works out in that regard..... But the trick is, let it be the only one that can status right back
[6:02:02 PM] UltiMario: Give it Wisp
[6:02:08 PM] UltiMario: Uhhh
[6:02:16 PM] UltiMario: TWave as well
[6:02:22 PM] UltiMario: Psychic type is good with all that
What do you guys think of this?
[6:02:02 PM] UltiMario: Give it Wisp
[6:02:08 PM] UltiMario: Uhhh
[6:02:16 PM] UltiMario: TWave as well
[6:02:22 PM] UltiMario: Psychic type is good with all that
What do you guys think of this?
Terywj [태리]
Charismatic Maknae~
Compoundeyes would be a more unique route and is still fitting slightly, aesthetic-wise.
UltiMario
Out of Obscurity
Changes have been made
We've also dropped Swellow entirely. Simply not enough Niches in OU for it without giving it base 130 Attack or something lol.
@Tery: Compoundeyes might work. We could altogether dump Chlorophyll with base 85 speed, it really isn't as needed anymore, and give it both to fit in two Niches.
Farfy got a new makeover. Mixed with a bit of bulk with that odd coverage of its.
I still think the moves are a bit iffy, Volt Tackle mainly. We might discuss this more later. This is where Farfy's old stats went lol.
We've also dropped Swellow entirely. Simply not enough Niches in OU for it without giving it base 130 Attack or something lol.
@Tery: Compoundeyes might work. We could altogether dump Chlorophyll with base 85 speed, it really isn't as needed anymore, and give it both to fit in two Niches.
CRASHiC
Smash Hero
Ulti and I took a look at Marowak and Dugtrio, a few adjustments there.
Marowak: Arena Trap/Rock head
Base Speed of 60
Dugtrio:
Base Attack of 115.
Marowak revenge kills slow bulky pokemon. Dugtrio takes out quick frail pokemon.
Marowak: Arena Trap/Rock head
Base Speed of 60
Dugtrio:
Base Attack of 115.
Marowak revenge kills slow bulky pokemon. Dugtrio takes out quick frail pokemon.
Terywj [태리]
Charismatic Maknae~
All these have already been made...?
Moozle
Smash Champion
I think you should give Compoundeyes to Exeggutor. Which is better if both have 100% accuracy; T-wave or Stun Spore?
Would this be a good spread if Exeggutor became physical, faster, and more bulky?
95 / 110 / 85 / 95 / 80 / 85
I also approve of all of the changes to the birds. Volt tackle on Pidgeot might be a stretch, but it really needs to be stretched if it's going to be useful.
Would this be a good spread if Exeggutor became physical, faster, and more bulky?
95 / 110 / 85 / 95 / 80 / 85
I also approve of all of the changes to the birds. Volt tackle on Pidgeot might be a stretch, but it really needs to be stretched if it's going to be useful.
UltiMario
Out of Obscurity
I can see the upsides of Exeggutor being Physical, with Wood Hammer, Explosion, Low Kick, and Swords Dance at his side...
He would need WoW to even bring him out of NU though, because Butterfree is already pulling similar shenanigains, even with the whole Stealth Rock argument, she won't be crawling out of NU ever as a 97.5% Statuses (Stun Spore and Sleep Power DO NOT have perfect accuracy with compoundeyes). Sleep Powder to cripple something then WoW to get rid of physical revengers or Stun Spore that all will rarely miss is a plus. Having Wood Hammer and Low Kick/Explosion in the last two slots does good I guess.
Yeah I can see that working. That spread and WoW could give him a niche, and might even open another Niche.
He would need WoW to even bring him out of NU though, because Butterfree is already pulling similar shenanigains, even with the whole Stealth Rock argument, she won't be crawling out of NU ever as a 97.5% Statuses (Stun Spore and Sleep Power DO NOT have perfect accuracy with compoundeyes). Sleep Powder to cripple something then WoW to get rid of physical revengers or Stun Spore that all will rarely miss is a plus. Having Wood Hammer and Low Kick/Explosion in the last two slots does good I guess.
Yeah I can see that working. That spread and WoW could give him a niche, and might even open another Niche.
CRASHiC
Smash Hero
Hey guys, any (besides Ulti) objections to Ditto with 252 HP, 252 Speed, and Wonder Guard?
Moozle
Smash Champion
This may be a stupid question, but is the point of those stats + wonder guard just so that Ditto always gets a transformation? If so, then I like it.
asianaussie
Smash Hero
Interesting proposition. Ditto becomes a good switch-in to things like Jirachi, who don't have fighting moves and don't carry moves to fend off Pokemon of the same type. On the other hand, common things like non-choiced Starmie, Rotom forms and Dragonite are unassailable by Ditto, whose best role there would be at most a pivot, seeing as they all carry moves SE against their species. With entry hazards, even this might be an issue.
Has Vespiquen been discussed? Give it Magic Guard, Sucker Punch and Curse to alleviate Stealth Rock and take advantage of its passable defences. Not only that, but it gets Attack Order, which is X-Scissor with 90 BP and +1 CH rate, and Roost, which is superior to Rest on a Magic Guard poke and cuts off Electric and Ice weaknesses. It'd still be predictable, but it would take it out of that place where it can't be used.
Has Vespiquen been discussed? Give it Magic Guard, Sucker Punch and Curse to alleviate Stealth Rock and take advantage of its passable defences. Not only that, but it gets Attack Order, which is X-Scissor with 90 BP and +1 CH rate, and Roost, which is superior to Rest on a Magic Guard poke and cuts off Electric and Ice weaknesses. It'd still be predictable, but it would take it out of that place where it can't be used.
CRASHiC
Smash Hero
I like it all but Magic Guard. Honestly, Queen Bees don't fly, they are fat and make babies all day, so instead you could get rid of flying.
asianaussie
Smash Hero
Stealth Rock is one of the key factors stopping a defensive bug like Vespiquen from breaking into UU. Its defences are almost on par with Rotom-A. If you want, call the ability Royal Guard, where its minions fly in the face of indirect damage.
CRASHiC
Smash Hero
If I get the time/figure out how, I'll make a duplicate of Magic Guard called Royal Guard.
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Smash Legend
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I can totally see little Combees flying at Vespiquen to protect it from being hurt by poison.