Nothing Special Mafia: Game Over! Who won?!

[Mayling]

So I'm trying to reread this, but I don't even know what I'm suppose to be looking for.

You're scum, you're scummy. It's all I've heard when I've asked why I'm suspicious. What am I suppose to look for? Scum in myself? Reasons for why I did things, without knowing what things I did?

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9778089&postcount=277

Even back in this post I ask macman why I'm scummy and he parroted Xonar, who said I posted filler. (This was after my HUGE attack on Kat and a case against Marc. I'm not saying a case on a townie [marc] makes me less scummy, but at least I was making cases. I don't call that filler.)

Things I've heard so far has been buddying with Cello, but that's only because I thought he was town. Even so, I could see him doing a no kill last night to put things at an even amount of people, cus I know his thinking is capable of doing such things. The "You scummy" post also rubbed me the wrong way, cus he spent all say yesterDay thinking I was town. Suddenly I'm not. Interesting.

Starshy said I was on both wagons, but so was Macman and Cello. I voted Kevom to put them at L-1 to see if they would ever post in letters, but the hammer came abruptly when Cello hammered. I never agreed with him doing that, although I could see _his_ logic behind it (because it's cello and his logic is wonky.) Someone said when I did "speak" it was a case against Marc who flipped town. But at least I was making cases. At least I was trying. But it feels like my posts have gone at large ignored.

No. I'm not going to vote for myself.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

blah

i don't wanna start having doubts now. Should we wait for kataefi to claim? meh rereading

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Interesting that Mayling and Kat's vote patterns coincided at the beginning of the game. They both vote for summoner because of his L-1 freak out, and then they immediately switch to moriarty afterwards.[so sad that he's dead]. **** is odd to me, I doubt they would let themselves be connected like that at the beginning if they were both scum. Also think May's vote on summoner so half-hearted. Could easily be a distancing attempt, something to remember tomorrow if may or summoner flip scum.

Summoner looking odd to me too.

Les get 'em.

unvote vote summonererererer

you be acting fishier than fish and chips

Hmm, looking at the posts again, mayling talks to Kat specifically. Making it seemingly obvious that there is a connection between the two. It is also very early game, scum generally get their interactions out of the way during this time.

Mayling votes Moriarty really early and then never takes his vote off of him, while FOSing a multitude of other people. Marc, Xonar, etc. Don't like this at all.

Here comes the miracle:

I present to you: Extreme buddying Kataefi!

-snip-

d2,
Odd that may points out that it seems like xonar is buddying Kat, when it seemed like she was doing it earlier in the game. And when I reread this, it def seemed like mayling was pushing a case on Xonar, however she was voting Kata the whole time.

Def looks like Kat distancing to me. Especialy because May was so adamant about their being a connection between xonar and Kat. If Kat were to flip scum, it was an easy set up for Xonar to be lynched next.

Then mayling eventually puts her vote on Xonar... what about the Kat suspicion?



Hmmm, I can def see both the may/kat and may/summoner team. But I think may is scum for sure

vote: mayling

 

[SummonerAU]

Vote: Mayling

...........

 

[#HBC | Mac]

sighhhh

I hope that's a bus...

 

[Mayling]

Hmm, looking at the posts again, mayling talks to Kat specifically. Making it seemingly obvious that there is a connection between the two. It is also very early game, scum generally get their interactions out of the way during this time.

Where did I do this?

Mayling votes Moriarty really early and then never takes his vote off of him, while FOSing a multitude of other people. Marc, Xonar, etc. Don't like this at all.

Yes. Because I was trying to get them to speak. Taking my vote off of them would have made that a moot point.

d2,
Odd that may points out that it seems like xonar is buddying Kat, when it seemed like she was doing it earlier in the game. And when I reread this, it def seemed like mayling was pushing a case on Xonar, however she was voting Kata the whole time.[/quote}

wat. my HUGE post was entirely against Kat, pointing out Kat/Xonar connections. How was this pushing a case against Xonar only?

Then mayling eventually puts her vote on Xonar... what about the Kat suspicion?

I felt that Xonar and Kat were connected as scum, and everyone else that day despite my large post on Kat wanted to go Xonar. So I went Xonar. (Hence the "feel my posts have gone largely ignored part.)

 

[Mayling]

sighhhh

I hope that's a bus...

Nope. >.> It wasn't.

 

[Cello_Marl]

Wait, wait, wait. We might still have a chance.

If there is a doctor, that person could still get a successful protection.

I know it goes unsaid, but don't protect Summoner.

 

[Cello_Marl]

Also, for future reference, "read my earlier posts!" is not breadcrumbing.

 

[Xiivi]

Day 3 Ends & Night 3 Begins!

Day 3 Vote Count 3:​

Cello_Marl: (0)
Kataefi: (0)
Macman: (0)
Mayling: §tarshy, Cello_Marl, Macman, SummonerAU ( )
§tarshy: (0)
SummonerAU: Kataefi ()
Not Voting: Mayling ()

The group argue for days, going back and forth against one another. Eventually, a plan of action is taken.

Mayling, Me'il; Robe of the Ephod, Vanilla Townie is out of fashion!

Put that back on!

It is now Night 3. Please send all Night Actions to my by March 17, 2010 11:59PM EST.

 

[Kataefi]

Don't know if we're still allowed to post because it's open but this is outrageous!... well thankyou for letting me have my 1 post this Day guys but could we slow down Days in the future please.

@Mac because I think you're town - you really think scum would be on Moriarty's wagon? Mayling/Kat, Xonar/Kat, what's next? Note: Starshy going berserk D2 and instilling suspicion on everyone there and note how they're all dying and turning up town - and Cello hammering yet escaping no questions asked no hard pressure anywhere. No doubts now scum is between Summoner/Cello/Starshy imo. We are lynching the wrong people. Summoner... how odd, that vote.

 

[Xiivi]

Day 4 Begins!

The town gathers and realizes that no one died in the night. Nothing special, but they should probably take care of the scum soon.

Deadline has been set for March 24, 2010 11:59AM EST.

It's takes 3/5 to lynch!

Day 4 Vote Count 0:​

Cello_Marl: (0)
Kataefi: (0)
Macman: (0)
§tarshy: (0)
SummonerAU: (0)
Not Voting: Cello_Marl, Kataefi, Macman, §tarshy, SummonerAU ( )

 

[§tarshy]

@Mac because I think you're town - you really think scum would be on Moriarty's wagon?

lmfao

scum are generally involved in killing townies guy. i dunno we are just so obvtown and your "everyone were killing is turning up town" is just bull**** to pick at considering the circumstances. plus if theres anyone instilling suspicion on everyone its you. your options have been open quite a few times. its hard to take your hard on for §cumshy seriously anymore

hm i wonder if we should wait til lylo to have this battle?

cello what the **** this is like the second time youve ended a day early. my may vote was a pressure vote (we did think she was scum but yeesh we wanted to see how d3 played out) cuz it seemed like id have to drag her into the game. i wake up and shes dead

so summoners the play but im thinking we could talk about his partner. more later

 

[#HBC | Mac]

it's about time you claimed kat

 

[Kataefi]

I'm really sorry - that was more in response to scum not being so obvious than town being obvtown o wise starshy. Sorry if that was taking the piss btw - I am a bit annoyed at how I've played and how things are moving forward so fast =( I'm doing a re-read.

But this...

your options have been open quite a few times. its hard to take your hard on for §cumshy seriously anymore

...interests me. Could you elaborate? How have I kept my options open? And don't you think others have been doing the same?

Anyway my main reason for posting so early is because I want Summoner to claim.

 

[Kataefi]

and yeah I will claim now one sec

 

[Kataefi]

[collapse=Kataefi]

Hello, welcome to Nothing Special Mafia. You are Atenism: Amarna heresy. Established in the fourteenth century BC, you were Egypt's state religion for approximately twenty years. You are one of the earliest recorded monotheistic religions, associated with eighteenth dynasty Pharaoh Akhenaten. Sadly, the Pharaohs associated with your religion were erased from ancient Egyptian records after the Egyptians returned to religions with traditional gods. However now you must join forces with the rest of the town and put an end to the mafia!

¤You may freely quote anything above this line.¤[/collapse]

It's not formatted because I copied and pasted from the PM, so excuse the lack of blue and green.
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I'm not good at town/mafia in general - and I've never had a power role I've used before. I thought the best course of action D1 and the rest of the game was to get in everyone's face and rub everyone the wrong way in hope of striking a nerve with scum D1 so they'd NK me, that AND get enough attention for townies to check me out. Marc noticed this early calling me more aggressive than I normally am. This is true - I don't know if I should have been like this now.

I switched to Cello N1 but he wasn't killed, so I know I wasn't targeted.

I've switched to Summoner N2 and nothing happened. I've switched to Summoner N3 and nothing happened. There is something very strange with Summoner. I'm thinking of a number of possibilities:

- I'm being targeted for the NK, which is going to Summoner, who is being protected.
- Summoner is being targeted, but he is being protected.
- Scum are doing a no kill.
- ??? Another possibility...

I've been breadcruming this role as early as RVS and it's been ongoing throughout.

 

[Kataefi]

Sorry I didn't specify exactly who I was. I'm the town redirector.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Cello, why do you think there is no doc?

 

[Cello_Marl]

Summoner, claim.

Macman, it was silly metagaming on my behalf. I thought that Xiivi might have made the town have a Nurse, a Retired Cop, and an Absorber, and the Mafia was like a roleblocker and a Godfather or something.

Starshy, do you believe Kat? I think I do...I want to at least, because it makes it easier on me. Once again, why did we think Mac was town? Also, it is lylo right now. Also, at a glance it looks like Mac and Summoner coordinated that hammer from the time stamps.

Useless, but:

Hello, welcome to Nothing Special Mafia. You are the 1874 United Kingdom General Election. The first general election to use secret ballots following the 1872 Secret Ballot Act, you were a major upset election. Your popular vote was won by the Liberals, lead by William Gladstone. However, your winner was the conservatives lead by Benjamin Disraeli due to the large number of uncontested seats. However now you must join forces with the rest of the town and put an end to the mafia!

 

[Cello_Marl]

Oh, and I'm vanilla. I don't remember if I've said that already or not.

 

[SummonerAU]

Hello, welcome to Nothing Special Mafia. You are the Manú River. Flowing through Peru, you span for two-hundred and twenty one miles. You flow down from the eastern slopes of the Andes Mountains, through the Manú National Park, and into the Amazon Basin where you serve as a tributary to the Madre de Dios River. Along your path, you pass perhaps the world's most bio-diverse area and home of the Machiguenga tribe. However now you must join forces with the rest of the town and put an end to the mafia!

¤You may freely quote anything above this line.¤

Doctor. Myself N1, Starshy N2, Myself N3.

 

[Cello_Marl]

Doctors at SWF can't self protect normally. Bad claim.

Obviously, the claim was crafted to create a believable scenario in which Kat was lying, so I fully believe Kat now. Mac is last scum, gg.

 

[Cello_Marl]

I'm taking back the second sentence. I fully support the first one.

 

[SummonerAU]

It's the truth

 

[Cello_Marl]

vote Summoner

Moar quicklynch.

 

[§tarshy]

cello chill i actually want to reread this game. kataes def telling the truth about his role but im trying to think of a reason it necessitates him being town. summoner claimed doc but hes a scumdoc. what does that mean when katae redirects him and the game isnt over...

man if macmans scum then that means i was wrong about my lynchpool all game and so was moriarty but its hard to feel bad about it when one of them is purposely acting scummy. offhand i guess it makes sense as macmans coasting/lurking harder than he normally does as scum plus he saw that down and dirty ****...but his postsve been so good

cello tell me why scumacman had motivation to not hammah you/katae d2

anyone who votes with scummoner is his partner

this game is so dumb. kat acts scummy and admits to it then cello blatantly does scummy actions but im spose to believe that mac is last scum. real amusing though

 

[#HBC | Mac]

I figured someone would point out the possibility of me/summoner coordinating because of the timestamps. It def feels to me like i'm getting set up, that summoner was purposely waiting for me to post to see if I would vote may.

If you really look into it tho, us coordinating doesn't make sense at all. Assume me/summoner scumteam, and we were going to quickhammer to try and win the game, Why would I take the time to reread before we did quickhamer? Seems pointless for me to want to put up a post before the quick hammer if that was what we were going for.

The fact that Cello brought this up makes me inclined to believe he's the last scum.

Also, random thought, if summoner is scumdoc, then I think there would be a scumcop, maybe vanilla cop or stalker? Something for the absorber to absorb.

 

[Kataefi]

well...!

Here are some thoughts!:

How sure are we of summoner's alignment? We're treating him as if he's surescum - gonna put the boat out here and say I might be a bit sceptical of this...

I can't see my switch ability being immune by scum if I switch to them from a night kill, unless they figured me out?, I doubt this. This makes me question the no kills and summoner's aligment.

I switched twice on summoner... two no kills. It's certainly possible that Starshy was meant to die N2, was protected, followed by myself/summoner dying N3, with the former switching to summoner who was protected, and the latter summoner was protected regardless.

This does tie in with the fact that that Day 3 #411 Summoner pointed out a role he did not claim - thus hinting a PR. I pointed out a role I did not claim many times - hinting a PR. It's likely one of us were targets for the Night Kills, and due to the nature of our abilities I can understand the no kills, especially because N3 we would have synced completely to be entirely protected.

Actually this is really interesting to me! I say all this because... Starshy was perhaps most likely N2 to have died, highlighted by Cello's #412 Day 3 - coincidence? - Of all the people to consider in Cello's mind, could it be possible you wondered about Starshy because he didn't die N2 when he was suppposed to? This ties in with Cello's need Day 3 to hunt down who exactly the doctor, nurse, whatever was.

Therefore come N3, scum would have looked for others to kill in the night apart from Starshy at the risk of a no kill again... hence with May dead, and if my scum list is right, the next victims to target would have pointed to summoner/myself, and with me and summoner being entirely in sync N3, this would = no kill.

Leads me to think summoner might be town and he's telling the truth. Possibly points to a Cello/Mac team instead. Can't believe I'm doubting mac and starting to get good vibes from starshy... weird. sorry to both.

Aside from that... and if we do go with the summoner being scum - I'm suspecting Cello might be the partner, though not entirely sure.

Marshy shed some light please after your reread. I'm not insinuating that summoner is town btw... that there's a good possibility he might be telling the truth with the circumstances involved.
_

Mac: just noticed your post sorry - I've never heard of a scumcop/scumdoc before so all my thoughts haven't even considered that possibility at all =(

 

[Kataefi]

I'm not insinuating that summoner is town btw... that there's a good possibility he might be telling the truth with the circumstances involved.

Wanted to highlight this and say it's all because of summoner's pattern of protecting that the things in my post above could be potential possibilities.

 

[Cello_Marl]

cello tell me why scumacman had motivation to not hammah you/katae d2

Because no one would have forgiven that happening again and he would have been lynched the next Day.

This whole time I thought redirector was just another name for bus driver, but I just looked it up and was wrong. I thought that meant that Summoner and Kat's info was in direct contradiction, but no.

Also:

If you really look into it tho, us coordinating doesn't make sense at all. Assume me/summoner scumteam, and we were going to quickhammer to try and win the game, Why would I take the time to reread before we did quickhamer? Seems pointless for me to want to put up a post before the quick hammer if that was what we were going for.

Look at the second sentence. The "Why" is capitalized. That leads me to believe that Macman's original second sentence was "Why would I take the time to reread before we did quickhamer?", and he added the first part later, but he said "we", because they are scummates!

Also, @Macman, it actually would make sense, because all you did was present points on May, which would be easy to ISO her, and Down 'n Dirty happened.

Scum Doc makes sense to me, and plan to no NK for N2 would be another reason they didn't want to quickly quickly for the lynch. NKing Kat for N3 makes sense since they would figure that if there is a doc that's not Summoner, then no one would protect him and they'd get their kill. Actually, the one time I've played a scum doc I could protect myself, but I couldn't do it on consecutive Nights.

I've been breadcruming this role as early as RVS and it's been ongoing throughout.

Honestly, I'm not seeing where you've done this. Can you tell me where?

How does your ability work Kat? "The Redirector is a role that changes the target of another player's night action to a player of the redirector's choice. " is what mafiascum gives me.

 

[Kataefi]

No I pick a target in the night to switch to and whatever actions target myself will be redirected to the target I picked..

Suppose that Summoner protected me, and I switch to Starshy - Starshy would be the one protected, not me.

I'm at work atm but when i get home i will link a lot of the breadcrumbs I tried to make and explain them for you.

 

[§tarshy]

btw when i said "this game is dumb" maybe "this game is crazy" wouldve been better wording cuz that can be read as bitter. i like (most of...) this player list more than most

cello kataes variant of redirector would read something like "every night you may choose another player. any night actions directed at you will affect this player instead" considering the language hes used when speaking about his role

[15:51] gac1113: so katae chose summoner n3
[15:51] gac1113: and summoner protected himself
[15:51] gac1113: and summoner/(scumbuddy) killed katae
[15:51] gac1113: but the kill redirected to summoner
[15:51] gac1113: resulting in no one dying

kats clear unless im making some terrible assumption somewhere

macman: summoner began d3 pushing a cello lynch (398/411/427). it was mylo. why would he do that as cello_scumarls partner?

 

[Kataefi]

cello kataes variant of redirector would read something like "every night you may choose another player. any night actions directed at you will affect this player instead" considering the language hes used when speaking about his role

yep that's actually exactly it!

Also... does my post #469 hold any weight or is that not the right way to think about the situation? Think I might be onto something... haven't convinced myself yet though. I'm getting concerned by how disconnected cello/mac have been from each other, and how connected I feel I can link cello with summoner, so I'm at a crossroads.
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@Summoner... thoughts please =) yeah I'd like to hear your thoughts right now! Pretty pivotal moment in the game - where are thinking scum lies?
_

Not fond of Cello's reactions to the NKs D3 and toDay... @Cello: why were you very quick to force claims and now very quick to pin things on summoner?

 

[Cello_Marl]

Kat, I'm town.

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Town.

 

[§tarshy]

i think youre over analyzing things and that summoner is 100% scum

he spent all d3 hating on cello and when may is -1 he hammahs outta nowhere. i dont see town motivation behind doing that

his posts entering d4 arent a townies reaction i think. hes quoted his role pm and has asserted that he is indeed the doc...ok. wheres the scumhunting? whered the cello hate go? the winds are blowing in his direction so wheres the defense and the push on who he thinks is scum before town loses?

i see it as him knowing hes outed and not risking anything thatd expose his buddy before he gets fukked outta hear

 

[§tarshy]

that was directed at katae

hes also posting more in other games despite them not being at a crucial point like this one is

also kat it doesnt seem like youre voting anytime soon but i wanna say that you shouldnt til youre as comfortable as youll get on the scumpair. i think the best way to go about this is for town to agree on the scumpair then whoever is still alive tomorrow sticks with the plan so they have the opinion of other ggs and dont get manipulated in lylo though i expect the scum to no-kill again

 

[#HBC | Mac]

thats a good question marshy

anyways i have **** to do, but i agree we shouldn't kill off summoner just yet.

 

[SummonerAU]

i think youre over analyzing things and that summoner is 100% scum

he spent all d3 hating on cello and when may is -1 he hammahs outta nowhere. i dont see town motivation behind doing that

I said before, I think Cello/Mayling had one or more scum in it. I am extremely bitter that despite my efforts to get Cello lynched, nothing happened. So, I saw I could hammer Mayling to at least eliminate one of the two. If you can't beat Cello, join him at his own game.

his posts entering d4 arent a townies reaction i think. hes quoted his role pm and has asserted that he is indeed the doc...ok. wheres the scumhunting? whered the cello hate go? the winds are blowing in his direction so wheres the defense and the push on who he thinks is scum before town loses?

I stopped caring, again, nobody listened to me D2 or D3. Cello has no hate from me now, I'm only going to tell him he played a good game to avoid getting lynched. If you want who I think is scum, I've been saying Cello for the last 2 days, maybe you should go back and have a look or maybe you're just too lazy. I don't even care anymore. My final gesture of caring for this game is Vote: Cello

I am actually considering finishing my current games here and not coming back to dgames because of this game. Can't even lynch obvscum. I probably won't post in this game again, so well played scum, you got me to leave. Enjoy your +1 win to your stats.

 

[§tarshy]

youre not dead yet

who for cellos partner?