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[feardragon64]

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I think I'm done with smash. I'm crap at it. Been giving it an honest effort to improve since brawl came out. Tried to pick up melee but just couldn't keep up with it after about a month. I'm total crap at both games and haven't made an actually intelligent post on the forums in probably ever so I can't even pretend to be theoretically smart. Screw it.

I'm done. Not that anyone should care. Thanks to anyone who tried to help me.

 

[Airwalkerr]

Everyone has some natural talent that determines what they are good or bad at. If Smash isn't for you, then no worries. I honestly wish I was terrible at Smash so I could get a more productive hobby haha. Good luck with your future endeavors, homie.

 

[SuSa]

Now ask yourself.

Is this really what you want?

You can always put on items and play for fun. :-D

/horrible motivational speech

Good luck in life then if you are quitting.

 

[hat!]

Compared to the pros I suck *** at smash and I barely know diddly squat about it, but I still play it because it's fun.

You shouldn't quit smash because you're bad it, you should only quit if it stops being fun.

 

[feardragon64]

You can always put on items and play for fun. :-D

I can't have fun against computers anymore. My friends refuse to play the game with me because even though I completely suck, they don't want to play because they think I'll win every time, even though I probably won't. Anyways, thanks for the support anyways.

Compared to the pros I suck @$$ at smash and I barely know diddly squat about it, but I still play it because it's fun.

You shouldn't quit smash because you're bad it, you should only quit if it stops being fun.

I can't play the game without looking at it from a competitive perspective anymore. The only people who can tolerate that are those who play it competitively. I'm pretty sure I'm just about the worst competitive player and losing constantly got old after about a year and a half of thinking that if I kept at it I would improve.

 

[SuSa]

Have you ever thought about switching mains?

 

[feardragon64]

I tried Pokemon Trainer, Marth, Kirby, Metaknight, Sheik, G&W and Snake at some points. But it doesn't matter who I pick. This is how all of my matches go. It's not the character, it's me.

 

[cookieM0Nster]

edit: nevermind, sorry

 

[Falconv1.0]

Oh my God cookiemonster can you please stop finding some excuse to bring up Brawl+ in like every post, it is in fact not the most amazing thing ever created, and it's getting really irritating. It's not like he's never heard of it, dude has been here long enough to 1,785 posts.

I'm not flaming, that's a serious request, I'm not the only one annoyed here.

 

[clowsui]

fear

just start trying to go to tournaments

start hosting tournies, advertise on smashboards...indiana needs people to enlarge their brawl scene

you live only 3 hrs away from cincinnati and 2 hrs from xeroxen, that's not bad at all

you just don't have experience. your first GOOD tournament drastically improves your skill level and makes you way stronger as a player, regardless of how many friendlies you play before

stop complaining about how bad you are lol, you're obv not trying hard enough if you're not even making an effort to go to tournies

 

[Ojanya]

FYI, it takes more than a month to learn Melee. You never gave it an honest try, or you never worked hard enough long enough.

 

[Sosuke]

Go to tournaments or just start playing for fun.

You should pick up hacking/Brawl+. It is much better, much more fun, and absolutely amazing
I'll link you to the Smash Workshop if you want to check it out.


and its realy not that hard. at all.

 

[urdailywater]

Have you tried Smash64 yet?

Actually, I heard Blazblue might be good.

Hey, whatever floats your boat bro.

Doesn't matter really, just have fun with it.

 

[MidnightAsaph]

I'm sorry it didn't work out for you. Good luck with whatever you do now.

 

[Kinzer]

I can't play the game without looking at it from a competitive perspective anymore. The only people who can tolerate that are those who play it competitively. I'm pretty sure I'm just about the worst competitive player and losing constantly got old after about a year and a half of thinking that if I kept at it I would improve.

Do note that while you may be improving other people are getting better as well.

That's why people hit rocks when they seem to be going nowhere.

fear

just start trying to go to tournaments

start hosting tournies, advertise on smashboards...indiana needs people to enlarge their brawl scene

you live only 3 hrs away from cincinnati and 2 hrs from xeroxen, that's not bad at all

you just don't have experience. your first GOOD tournament drastically improves your skill level and makes you way stronger as a player, regardless of how many friendlies you play before

stop complaining about how bad you are lol, you're obv not trying hard enough if you're not even making an effort to go to tournies

If this is true then yes, in-person tourneys should help you get much better faster than any other method

Best demotivational poster evar, did you make that yourself or find it over the internet?

I'll love you longer time if you made it yourself. :D

 

[Sosuke]

I made it myself. ^_^

 

[∫unk]

wow you're being so unrealistic, listen:

my first tournament, i wasn't good
my second tournament, i wasn't good
3 months later, going to 1-2 tournies every weekend, playing during the weekdays, i wasn't good

i was getting better, but still not good. do you realize how much time it actually takes? havok was as bad as i was when he started and he told me 6 months of consistent tournament attendance + play. I was pretty upset to hear such a big number but it's true.

this isn't some rpg... you're fighting other equally intelligent human beings. of course it's not going to be easy to beat them. they have a 1 year head start on you in competitive play. especially if you haven't played smash competitively before. random things will get you for a long time.

the most important reason you play this game is for fun. if it's still fun to you, then you should keep playing. don't worry about improvement. i notice you're always worried if you got ***** or not. notice how i say things "i played bad" or "i played good". it's different in that i'm not really worried who wins or loses (especially in friendlies), i just try to play my best and improve.

i have to travel 2.5 hours every weekend to socal, warp travels 4 hours. now look at us. it takes a huge amount of dedication and $5 entry fees to get where you want to be.

don't give up at the slightest wall... you haven't really been trying until this summer (since you played with no one competitive). even then the key is to have fun

i still laugh when i ddd f-smash ppl or dash attack ppl even though i've done it 1000+ times. why? a penguin just ***** you. little things you can enjoy like that are why you play the game.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Dude it happens, everyone has their slumps. I've been playing these games for a heck of a lot longer then you have, and I'm still not good.


It takes time and dedication, and if you're quitting now, you'll never get good at anything, period.


Use your frustration, become better, practicing your zoning techs, learn to observe your enemies better (there's a nice compilation on improving on the melee boards).


And just keep trying. I mean if you don't like it anymore that's one thing. But there's no excuse to quit cause you're not getting anywhere, that's just giving into your weaknesses.

 

[Marauder]

I know how you feel, fear. Everytime you get 3-stocked, you wonder "Why do I even bother?". Its hard maining Ike when your main source of competition mains Falco :/. But thats just me

What you have to do is instead of getting pissed, ask what you did wrong when you lose, take in their criticism and see what you can change. Nothing happens overnight. You can't expect to wake up one day and be better than say Junk for arguments sake. It will take time. ALOT of time. As long as you acknowledge that you're playing to learn first, you will find a change in your attitude and your game.

 

[Firus]

Yeah, I suck at Smash compared to people that play competitively.

That's why I...

- Play SSB64 every so often for nostalgia and fun.
- Play Melee every so often for most Smash Bros-related purposes. Releasing anger, having lots of fun, have legit competition that's still fun just amongst my friends, etc.
- Hack Barwl so much it isn't even recognizable. ^-^

I mean, feel free to quit if you want, I'm not going to try and convince you, but if you can change your mindset there's no reason to not play Smash just for teh lulz.

 

[Man of Popsicle]

Run forward and side B.

 

[mikeHAZE]

lol just keep playing

 

[demonictoonlink]

3:50 was awesome, even if it didn't kill. Just sayin'

 

[Albert.]

yo man I've been in the mountains, leave the emo **** at home

It's just a game ^_^

 

[:mad:]

Go to tournaments or just start playing for fun.

Wow SB, too good.

 

[feardragon64]

For the record I went to like 4 tournaments this summer and didn't win a single match because I'd make the stupidest mistakes. Like it'd be game 2 of 3 and I'd be up 30% against a snake with my marth and the snake tries to recover so I try and dair spike but end up screwing up for some stupid reason and sd. Then my next match I'll run into a fully charged ike fsmash and I just want to drop my controller and leave.

So ya, it was that I wasn't having any fun because I kept making ******** mistakes over and over and over and over again and all it does is aggravate me. How do you practice not running into a fully charged forward smash? It should just be obvious right?

 

[Punishment Divine]

For the record I went to like 4 tournaments this summer and didn't win a single match because I'd make the stupidest mistakes. Like it'd be game 2 of 3 and I'd be up 30% against a snake with my marth and the snake tries to recover so I try and dair spike but end up screwing up for some stupid reason and sd. Then my next match I'll run into a fully charged ike fsmash and I just want to drop my controller and leave.

So ya, it was that I wasn't having any fun because I kept making ******** mistakes over and over and over and over again and all it does is aggravate me. How do you practice not running into a fully charged forward smash? It should just be obvious right?

You're concentrating too much on stupid things. You're not concentrating on eliminating your bad habits, which is the main thing you need to succeed. I've been going to tournaments since early summer of last year. I've been to one of Inui's bigger tournaments, CoT4, APEX. I've been throughout LI and NY, NJ, CT, and PA for smash. I've been to locals in the mid double digits.

My spacing got better, a lot better. I developed mindgames. I learned matchups, how to gimp almost every character. I learned to avoid doing stupid Marth things (see:spam fsmash)

I didn't start getting better until recently. You know why? I started eliminating my bad habits. I've also realized that it IS just a game. I have fun when I play it now.

I also take breaks from Brawl and I enjoy it a lot more tbh. Along with Brawl when I chill with people we make sure to play Melee, BlazBlue, even 64 on occasion, along with other random games. I also have gone back to my roots in competitive gaming and finished my T2 deck for Magic.

So don't quit unless you've really, really looked at a match, whether on a replay or in your head and wondered "what did I do wrong?" And stop taking it so seriously. I have fun at tournies because of the people there tbh not so much the game itself lol.

 

['V']

Now ask yourself.

Is this really what you want?

You can always put on items and play for fun. :-D

/horrible motivational speech

I thought this was a good speech actually.

But yeah, man. If you wanna quit, do so. Smash is just one of those things that people have to have the talent and lots of hard work and dedication. I don't like it that much anymore myself, but I still play with my friends. If you still want to at least play for fun, try to make a few casual friends here or something so you can play from time to time.

Other than that, there's lot of other things to do out there. Hope you find one.

 

[NintendoMan07]

Well, I'm on the verge of just giving this thing up too. It's getting to be way too much effort to be constantly led on goose-chases with people here. I seriously have no one to play the game with, so I look on here. But it's getting to be a pain when no one is HONEST.

How seriously hard is it to just say, "I don't know you and I don't like you already, so get out of my face." ? It's brutal, but at least I stinking KNOW that I don't have to pursue this person further. Instead what I get is...

"Well, talk to this guy, he knows what he's doing"
"Hey, I'm kinda busy so let's do this later"

...and all sorts of johns. It's terribly annoying and I'm starting to see that playing to win isn't just confined to the game itself. In a nutshell it's just "Screw everyone else, save yourself", and I'm seeing that implemented VERY well here.

 

[Hylian]

For the record I went to like 4 tournaments this summer and didn't win a single match because I'd make the stupidest mistakes. Like it'd be game 2 of 3 and I'd be up 30% against a snake with my marth and the snake tries to recover so I try and dair spike but end up screwing up for some stupid reason and sd. Then my next match I'll run into a fully charged ike fsmash and I just want to drop my controller and leave.

So ya, it was that I wasn't having any fun because I kept making ******** mistakes over and over and over and over again and all it does is aggravate me. How do you practice not running into a fully charged forward smash? It should just be obvious right?

You should try just looking at your opponents character instead of yours. This helps a lot with things like that.

If you are bored with it, then quit.
If you are wanting to get better, then seek improvement.

If you want to quit because you don't believe you can improve, then you are fooling yourself.

 

[Vyse]

Hahahahahahaa.
Not that I believe it or anything, but I do know people this applies to.

*saved*

 

[Sosuke]

Sasukebowser is a pretty cool guy huh?

Yeah, totally.

 

[SpartanX123]

Hylian, who are you trying to kid? It IS impossible to improve, once a failure, always a failure, that's just the way life is, and the same thing can be applied to Smash, I once seriously though "Hey, maybe I can improve" but I was dead wrong.

I am Snak Attack, remember me? from your Apex pool? I sucked then, and I suck now, end of story.

 

[Sosuke]

scrub mentalityyyyyyy

 

[Hylian]

Hylian, who are you trying to kid? It IS impossible to improve, once a failure, always a failure, that's just the way life is, and the same thing can be applied to Smash, I once seriously though "Hey, maybe I can improve" but I was dead wrong.

I am Snak Attack, remember me? from your Apex pool? I sucked then, and I suck now, end of story.

How can you ever hope to improve with that kind of attitude? Seriously?

If you really get that stressed out over it quitting might not be a bad idea. Smash isn't worth stressing over.

 

[SpartanX123]

Call me a scrub all you want, but it's true, I took all the advice I was given with the main one being "Play to learn, not to win".

I do play to learn, yet I still get three stocked by people all the **** time.

 

[SpartanX123]

Hylian, what kind of attitude do you expexct me to have? I get 2-0ed by everyone in my **** pool all the time, I don't beat anyone, I'm 0-2 on a WiFi ladder for ****'s sake!

Unless I can have video evidence of pros sucking before they got good, my mind will not change on this.I don't want to quit, I enjoy this game too **** much to quit, and it is the one thing that I want to see through to the end, and Yes, I know, I sound like a hyprocrite right now, but my whole life has been me being mediocre, and sucking, and I want to rise up and be good at something for once.

 

[Sosuke]

Freaking practice then.

 

[feardragon64]

First of all, I'm not advocating in the least that even if you practice you can't improve. Well not exactly.

Perfect practice makes perfect. If you're practicing dumb you're just going to end up playing dumb. Like I said, I don't know how the hell to practice not running into a fully charged forward smash or how to practice not dying in a miserable sd at under 30% when I attempt a gimp.
The best I can do is be given advice like "don't go off stage." But that's not fixing the problem. It's avoiding it it entirely. Now off stage play is entirely out of my potential game-play. What's the alternative? Practice not making dumb choices off stage? Maybe it's just me but how do you practice some of that stuff when it's so situational.

I can practice spacing. That's fine. I can practice AT's. That's all great too. I can practice implementing moves into my game. Awesome. But how the **** are you supposed to practice simply not making dumb choices? I don't understand that and it's frustrating the **** out of me. The only thing I can think of is to just keep playing but I've been doing that for a year and a half now. There could very well be some way to practice it but I have no idea what that is and until I can figure that out, I don't know how to enjoy this game because it's like no matter how long I practice to get better, I'm still going to go to a tournament and be up 90% against someone I think I should be able to beat and then sd at 0% because I up+b'd the wrong way.

Hope that clears up some misconceptions. Anyways hylian: looking at my opponent's character is something I do need to do. If I decide not to quit(my teacher junkinthetrunk told me to go for a smashfest before I decide to quit) I'll definitely start doing that since he's been telling me to do that anyways. But the issue is that I don't know how to get over my problem. If someone has a nice training method for not running into fully charged forward smashes(I keep using that example because I think it embodies the essence of what I'm saying) then I'd love to know. =\ Apparently running into the repeatedly isn't working even though one would think that would be enough.

Sasuke: I am a scrub. >>

 

[Hylian]

First of all, I'm not advocating in the least that even if you practice you can't improve. Well not exactly.

Perfect practice makes perfect. If you're practicing dumb you're just going to end up playing dumb. Like I said, I don't know how the hell to practice not running into a fully charged forward smash or how to practice not dying in a miserable sd at under 30% when I attempt a gimp.
The best I can do is be given advice like "don't go off stage." But that's not fixing the problem. It's avoiding it it entirely. Now off stage play is entirely out of my potential game-play. What's the alternative? Practice not making dumb choices off stage? Maybe it's just me but how do you practice some of that stuff when it's so situational.

I can practice spacing. That's fine. I can practice AT's. That's all great too. I can practice implementing moves into my game. Awesome. But how the **** are you supposed to practice simply not making dumb choices? I don't understand that and it's frustrating the **** out of me. The only thing I can think of is to just keep playing but I've been doing that for a year and a half now. There could very well be some way to practice it but I have no idea what that is and until I can figure that out, I don't know how to enjoy this game because it's like no matter how long I practice to get better, I'm still going to go to a tournament and be up 90% against someone I think I should be able to beat and then sd at 0% because I up+b'd the wrong way.

Hope that clears up some misconceptions. Anyways hylian: looking at my opponent's character is something I do need to do. If I decide not to quit(my teacher junkinthetrunk told me to go for a smashfest before I decide to quit) I'll definitely start doing that since he's been telling me to do that anyways. But the issue is that I don't know how to get over my problem. If someone has a nice training method for not running into fully charged forward smashes(I keep using that example because I think it embodies the essence of what I'm saying) then I'd love to know. =\ Apparently running into the repeatedly isn't working even though one would think that would be enough.

Sasuke: I am a scrub. >>

Try watching videos and copying people. It may sound stupid, but you can learn a lot just watching other people. When you are at the smashfest watch someones match and ask them questions. For example you are watching a marth player and he does Fair to Ftilt on someone instead of say,,just double fairing. Ask him why he chose ftilt instead of fair and you might learn something. Then apply that knowledge to your own game. Sometimes you improve from it sometimes you don't. I just made up that situation so don't think about it either haha.

I watched about 10 seconds of that video you posted. The main things I noticed from those 10 seconds were that:

1. You don't seem to look at what your opponent is doing, and instead look at your character.

2. You don't seem to have a concept of baiting. At all.

So theres somewhere to start.

How do you get better at baiting? By watching your opponents reactions. A common things marths do is Dancing blade twice then just stop to see what there opponent does. Testing things over a long course of time will let you see what works in general, what works against good players, and what just doesn't work at all. You can alter your game this way adding and taking out things you do.

Constantly ask people to point out things they are punishing easily. Watch high level matches from players near you, watch good players slaughter worse ones and see what they abuse. You will eventually learn WHY stuff works.

Just keep at it.