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NorCal Melee Power Rankings - Summer '15 Update - In Sickness and In Filth

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i really don't like the way that the no-shows (aka dark mike in this case, but obv the way you ranked him for this period is based on some general rule) are handled

is there anything to indicate that dark mike's skills have slipped, or that any of the people directly above him have indeed passed him up skill-wise?

I was told that if you are inactive for a period, your ranking drops, and then you are taken off on the next one ... how does that make sense?

I'm not super well-versed on norcal history, but let's say Isai comes back and dominates a tournament, taking first place (he's that good, right?). You'd pretty much be forced to put him #1 on the list, based on that and his history, right? Then, he goes back into pseudo-retirement... does Isai end up appearing at #3 on the next list? We all know how ridiculous that would look

If inactivity is the issue, take him off altogether... I don't find that 100% rational for this period due to the vast spread of the tournaments location-wise and the relative scarcity, but that's more logical than "drop him X slots because he didn't show".

Either you should assume his skills haven't slipped and not drop him unless someone has done something impressive enough to legitimately move by (which I don't think has happened), or take him off the list altogether, giving him some sort of inactivity honorable mention. Placing someone somewhere they don't belong is unfair to everyone involved
 
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I'm going to try and explain this as best I can, but I'm very tired and a bunch of other johns. So with Mike the issue came up as to whether or not to remove him and or keep him but move him down. We decided that since last period his two tournaments were towards the end of the period and the fact that this period was very short (6 weeks) that Mikes accomplishments combined across the period were still great enough to hold him on the list. I'm pretty sure that most of you will understand this but for those who don't look at it this way. The first period ended and Mike was 12. 6 weeks later he hadnt attended any tournament so he fell as he unlike the people who moved passed him had not continued to garner results and various wins. However his wins from the previous period were closer to the end of the period and were still good enough in retrospect to keep him listed.

I hope that helps kinda. I also hope Pocky doesn't retort with anything clever as I'm trying to get work done lol
 
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Zoap said:
I'm going to try and explain this as best I can, but I'm very tired and a bunch of other johns. So with Mike the issue came up as to whether or not to remove him and or keep him but move him down. We decided that since last period his two tournaments were towards the end of the period and the fact that this period was very short (6 weeks) that Mikes accomplishments combined across the period were still great enough to hold him on the list. I'm pretty sure that most of you will understand this but for those who don't look at it this way. The first period ended and Mike was 12. 6 weeks later he hadnt attended any tournament so he fell as he unlike the people who moved passed him had not continued to garner results and various wins. However his wins from the previous period were closer to the end of the period and were still good enough in retrospect to keep him listed.

I hope that helps kinda. I also hope Pocky doesn't retort with anything clever as I'm trying to get work done lol
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i can't not be clever

anyway, the gist of it is just that i don't feel as if any of those "results and various wins" that the players that moved past him garnered (solid word) are at all convincing enough to say that they are now better than him and/or would perform better than him in a national tournament

The underlying issue is that I don't think that the lack of results should be construed as a drop in skill. If you want to hold the lack of activity against him, you should do it by removing them from the list, not by ranking them inaccurately
 
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While I agree with you that the people who moved past him are probably not as good as him. We didn't want to start a noteable absentee list. This also helps motivate people to be in attendance more.

I agree garnered is a strong word, it make me think of garnish though lol.
 
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Zoap said:
While I agree with you that the people who moved past him are probably not as good as him. We didn't want to start a noteable absentee list. This also helps motivate people to be in attendance more.
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But wasn't the official stated goal of the list to anticipate how people would perform in a large-scale tournament or something?

I agree garnered is a strong word, it make me think of garnish though lol.
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makes me think of former oakland raiders great, charlie garner
 
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But wasn't the official stated goal of the list to anticipate how people would perform in a large-scale tournament or something?
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Yes but at the same time if such is the case then we have to look at all the people who have ever played in Norcal and done well. This means that a true list would not really be based on recent tournament events but the ability of the panel to judge if a player who wrecked 2 years is still good enough to keep up now. This means people such as Isai, The King, MattDeezie, Frotaz, Mike Nasty, Clod Zero and a huge amount of others would have to be considered. Personally this list isn't about who would perform the best at a large scale tournament but rather, of the active players who would place and play the best in a large scale tournament.
 
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Zoap said:
Yes but at the same time if such is the case then we have to look at all the people who have ever played in Norcal and done well. This means that a true list would not really be based on recent tournament events but the ability of the panel to judge if a player who wrecked 2 years is still good enough to keep up now. This means people such as Isai, The King, MattDeezie, Frotaz, Mike Nasty, Clod Zero and a huge amount of others would have to be considered. Personally this list isn't about who would perform the best at a large scale tournament but rather, of the active players who would place and play the best in a large scale tournament.
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yes... but when isai, the king, etc. aren't considered "active", they are off the list, period. likewise, if you are punishing dark mike for being "inactive", he should be off the list period.

Like I said, if isai came back for one tournament and dominated, he wouldn't randomly show up at #3 on a PR; he'd probably be #1, then be completely off the next time around

charlie garner was a RB the last year they went to the super bowl
 
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Ok to be honest I wanted DM off for inactivity but the others didn't see that as a legitmate list as you said how can we be sure he hasn't got worse. Perhaps Sheridan can give better reasoning then I have.
 
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peeeeeeeeeeeeettttttttttterrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr leave class

ill call you on your cell and you can act like its an emergency, and then step outside come back in class and be like i have to go sorry
 
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ok ill wait, i have to take a shower anyways im not eating either, and ok alan ill call when we get near or do you want me to text you incase youre in class
 
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do you mean ur not eatin anything and i should get my own, or are u not eating anythign till i get there?
 
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pockyD said:
yes... but when isai, the king, etc. aren't considered "active", they are off the list, period. likewise, if you are punishing dark mike for being "inactive", he should be off the list period.

Like I said, if isai came back for one tournament and dominated, he wouldn't randomly show up at #3 on a PR; he'd probably be #1, then be completely off the next time around

charlie garner was a RB the last year they went to the super bowl
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When you're in the 10-15 ranking, it's a lot easier for people to demonstrate evidence that they should be above an inactive person than it is for top 3 people. If Isai were #1 on the previous list, but then Pink Shinobi and Jeff go out and beat people like Mango or M2K, you can bet Isai would drop were he inactive in this ranking period. Now also, if we were doing rankings 6 weeks apart, Isai or King would have remained on this list if they had been active the previous period but inactive in this one. Lucien was only taken off because he declared he was done.
 
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the fact that all the people on the list are within reachable level is a good sign :p

well, it's also a bad sign for Genesis, everyone has to step up their game (i really want to see WC win crews :D)
 
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HyugaRicdeau said:
When you're in the 10-15 ranking, it's a lot easier for people to demonstrate evidence that they should be above an inactive person than it is for top 3 people. If Isai were #1 on the previous list, but then Pink Shinobi and Jeff go out and beat people like Mango or M2K, you can bet Isai would drop were he inactive in this ranking period. Now also, if we were doing rankings 6 weeks apart, Isai or King would have remained on this list if they had been active the previous period but inactive in this one. Lucien was only taken off because he declared he was done.
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didn't justin also declare that he was done?

and i guess names do have to end up coming up, but who did replicate and hella beat (who i would presume would have to be 'impressive' wins) that would be comparable to a top player beating m2k or mango?
 
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To Jr, I do agree with alot of the things you said. I dont think you should have dropped two spots. But the majority of the panel felt my win over germ,brandons win over zhu and your loss to hk was enough to put us above you. Now i understand that your frustarted but at the same time i think your overreacting. Its just one quarter, its not set in stone. Were going update in like little over a month lol. So instead complaining on the boards. Just try your best to attend more tournies and continue to place well. And you'll have your spot back mb even be higher you could easily be #6 imo. So go pratice in your room and see you at stockton =) latz
 
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The___cheese should be on the list instead of me.

EDIT: You all know that was casey not me

altho i do think darkmike shouldnt be on the list, that part is stupid
 
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PHIL07 said:
To Jr, I do agree with alot of the things you said. I dont think you should have dropped two spots. But the majority of the panel felt my win over germ,brandons win over zhu and your loss to hk was enough to put us above you. Now i understand that your frustarted but at the same time i think your overreacting. Its just one quarter, its not set in stone. Were going update in like little over a month lol. So instead complaining on the boards. Just try your best to attend more tournies and continue to place well. And you'll have your spot back mb even be higher you could easily be #6 imo. So go pratice in your room and see you at stockton =) latz
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This should be very clear to you JR. Phil, HMW, and KFC are really close in playing level to my understanding in tourneys. BUT ALL of these ranked players have a reputation to keep. Losing to someone off rank blows that reputation sky high. Phil and HMW have lost to no one that is non-rank. Though u beat Phil and HMW, ur lost to a non rank player has more effect on you then them losing to ranked players.

When your a ranked player, u know what u need to do and step up ur game, making mistakes in tourney for using a secondary is ur own downfall. U know what you need to do when your ranked which is, WIN WIN WIN and dont lose to ANYONE below u if u wanna keep that spot. I dont wanna hear any whining or *****ing about the rank, EVERYONE in norcal knows how good you are and what your capable with, but mistakes such as losing to HK cannot be over looked. Lunin did lose to Kheffin, but he made it up with some wins over Jeff and losing to no other ranked players.

Concerning DarkMike, yes we did consider him to be off the rank, however we came to an agreement that if he wouldn't show up for one more tourney he would just be dropped off the list, however he didn't confirm him leaving the smash tourney scene. A lot of people feel he is better then some people on the list which I agree, however he shouldn't be kicked off just from a 6 week period. This period is really short and so will the other updates possibly. As for me I did say I won't be going to anymore tourney unless I have free time but putting me on the list yea that was the agreement the other panelist had and I went along with.

This is my final word for ranked players. STEP YOUR GAME UP!!! I DONT WANT TO HEAR ANY JOHNS OF LOSING TO STUPID MISTAKES, ITS UR RESPONSIBILITY TO KNOW WHAT CHARS TO USE BECAUSE U WANNA WIN AND KEEP THAT SPOT ON THE RANKING. A WIN IS A WIN AND A LOST IS A LOST. U CANT MAKE IT TO TOURNEYS? Fine then the best thing u can do is show up to one and show norcal how good u are, not thru stupid mistakes, johns or WHAT IFS, but being able perform at a tourney at your very best regardess of which character u used.

Final note... Thx HydroKirby for ****ing up KFC rank LOL. Just jking but yea.
 
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13th lol

good **** me
I have a midterm that I need to leave for in 10 minutes and I have barely even studied at all

oh well, I am so over midterms




kfc if you ever wanna take that train to SJ I'll meet you there and we can play or somthin

there's such a big gap between shroomed--zelgadis
**** u shroomed
jk
but not really kinda

so I want to start playing this game to actually have a shot at the REAL power rankings,
i.e. where KFC starts and it's not just a matter of me consistently going to tournaments and being mediocre

so somebody should play this game with me a lot



I have 7 minutes to study for my midterm

good stuff norcal
edit: if you couldn't tell I <3 jr
edit edit: 2 minutes :(
 
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