Non-dragon Metroid character roles

[Machete]

however, he appeared on the poll,

And he got 0 mentions... ugh...

and now that dark samus is dead, the role of non-dragon adversary seemingly belongs to him. dont believe me? check the mp3 100% completion video on youtube, and compare the ship with the delano 7. yes, i know you've probably seen it after beating the game, just a little reminder.

Who'll made the next Metroid game? We don't know. If Retro Studios make it, then they could create a new enemy. A 2D Metroid game like Super Metroid or Metroid Fusion? We don't need a Samus-sized antagonist. At least, in Super Metroid; Ridley and MotherBrain were enough.

but he could be a character.

No. He has no chance.

Sylux is a crappy character. Sylux as a Metroid representative? Metroid doesn't need another character after Samus and Ridley (although Dark Samus would be awesome). As I said, even MotherBrain should be playable before him.

 

[antimatter]

stupid computer...

 

[antimatter]

thank you at least for correcting me about the poll mentions being incorrect. i read from a normally reliable thread that he had a couple of mentions. did you actually check youtube and compare the ships? you gave a logical explanation, no doubt about it. however, it appears sylux is coming back no matter your opinion. in addition, no one has no chance as long as sakurai has heard of them and they meet his conditions.

 

[Guglio]

Sylux is cool, no doubt; I only use him when I play MPH online.

But Dark Samus was basically the focal point villain for both Prime 2 and 3. More so than Ridley was, at any rate.

 

[antimatter]

yes, i agree. i'm just saying, sylux could be the focal point for the next prime game. retro said they'd make more prime games, but the phazon arc is over.

 

[motsalogeL]

DS was the main villain in two of the Metroid sub series games while Ridley is Samus's main rival and second most reoccurring character in the Metroid series, he may not be the final boss but he is one of the last and has an important role in most of the games plot, as well as deep roots within Samus's history.

 

[antimatter]

^no duh!

where did i argue with that? as a matter of fact, i support them completely! i understand sylux has near impossible odds, but eventually, he could get in a smash game, and the idea of him playable in a smash game will grow on you. you know, like a fungus.

 

[motsalogeL]

I wasn't arguing with you.

 

[Reyairia]

Another thing (DO NOT FLAME): is Ridley too big to fit into the mouth of the things on the Pikmin planet?

Wow... someone needs a reality check.

 

[Darkpaladin of Chaos]

DS was the main villain in two of the Metroid sub series games

Dark Samus was the main villain in all three major Metroid Prime titles, not just two (though in a different form).

 

[motsalogeL]

In the first one DS was only seen at the end as the source of the Phazon, there wasn't really a single main bad guy but the Space pirates had a much bigger role in the game. And Metroid prime is a subseries.

 

[Darkpaladin of Chaos]

In the first one DS was only seen at the end as the source of the Phazon, there wasn't really a single main bad guy but the Space pirates had a much bigger role in the game. And Metroid prime is a subseries.

She was Metroid Prime though, who was the final boss and written about in lore or logs throughout the game. But if you are basing main villain status on their presence and plot importance, then Dark Samus wasn't the main villain of Metroid Prime 2. The Ing were. And no, I didn't say Metroid Prime was a full-blown series.

 

[Reyairia]

She was Metroid Prime though, who was the final boss and written about in lore or logs throughout the game. But if you are basing main villain status on their presence and plot importance, then Dark Samus wasn't the main villain of Metroid Prime 2. The Ing were. And no, I didn't say Metroid Prime was a full-blown series.

It's a main villain role in three games as opposed to a lot more, that gives her about Vaati's likelihood.
(Plus, I hear the Prime games were pretty unpopular in Japan, which may or may not hurt her chances.)

 

[IsmaR]

It's a main villain role in three games as opposed to a lot more, that gives her about Vaati's likelihood.
(Plus, I hear the Prime games were pretty unpopular in Japan, which may or may not hurt her chances.)

You forget, there isn't really anymore main chracters bedides villains, and only a Hunter from MPH or MP3 could be chosen over her, which is unlikely. All the reasons you need are on the DS thread

 

[Chaosblade77]

How is there really much debate at all for this? Sylux is the only hunter that might have future roles making him the only one that has any sort of status worth mentioning. However, we don't know what that role will be yet, and we don't know if Sakurai would follow the same road he took with Roy. It's doubtful, considering Roy's game was much closer to release, and I doubt they are beyond the concept work of the next home console Metroid game.

Dark Samus is the only character that has any plausible chance to get in Brawl, as playable, besides Ridley. Anyone else is simply wishful thinking and dreaming. There are not many logical arguments you can make against Dark Samus, the third most reoccurring character in the series.

 

[Matt Silver]

How is there really much debate at all for this? Sylux is the only hunter that might have future roles making him the only one that has any sort of status worth mentioning. However, we don't know what that role will be yet, and we don't know if Sakurai would follow the same road he took with Roy. It's doubtful, considering Roy's game was much closer to release, and I doubt they are beyond the concept work of the next home console Metroid game.

Dark Samus is the only character that has any plausible chance to get in Brawl, as playable, besides Ridley. Anyone else is simply wishful thinking and dreaming. There are not many logical arguments you can make against Dark Samus, the third most reoccurring character in the series.

I agree. Buuuttt... I think Dark Samus seems unlikely if Ridley is in - because Metroid will do fine with a flat 2 representation (And Dark Samus is relatively minor compared to Ridley). I like the idea of Elite Space Pirate playable. Basically a normal Space Pirate.

 

[Darkpaladin of Chaos]

There are not many logical arguments you can make against Dark Samus, the third most reoccurring character in the series.

What about teh GEEMER!!11

But you sir, speak words of truth. I kind of envisioned Sylux as another Assist Trophy for the Metroid series.

I agree. Buuuttt... I think Dark Samus seems unlikely if Ridley is in - because Metroid will do fine with a flat 2 representation (And Dark Samus is relatively minor compared to Ridley). I like the idea of Elite Space Pirate playable. Basically a normal Space Pirate.

The series could do fine with three too... I think Dark Samus's chances actually depend on Ridley really, because if they leave him out, the second most important character in the series, what hope is there for her? But that's not going to happen.

 

[SurooshX]

I'm starting to think Darkpaladin of Chaos is the only one that knows his Metroid in here.
In my opinion, a Space Pirate has a better chance than Sylux. He made his premier in (the blasphemy that was) Metroid Prime Hunters. Now, Japan isn't really big on the Prime series in general, let alone Hunters. But Japan also isn't big on First Person games. Sylux may have played a primary role, and he may have made an appearance in MP3, but as far as I'm concerned, Sakurai couldn't give to ****s about the Prime series (Frigate Orpheon sucks! We could have gotten SO much better.) I mean, look at Samus, she is not in her Prime form. I think if Sakurai was going to put even Dark Samus/Metroid Prime inthe game, it would be a boss or Assist Trophie.
In conclusion, I think the Metroid series would be in order of Samus, Ridley, and Space Pirate. But those are just my views on it...

 

[IsmaR]

I'm starting to think Darkpaladin of Chaos is the only one that knows his Metroid in here.

That's like the 5th time you've said that All of us do, you're just biased..

In my opinion, a Space Pirate has a better chance than Sylux. He made his premier in (the blasphemy that was) Metroid Prime Hunters.

That's kinda...right I guess..

Now, Japan isn't really big on the Prime series in general, let alone Hunters. But Japan also isn't big on First Person games.

Agreed

Sylux may have played a primary role, and he may have made an appearance in MP3, but as far as I'm concerned,

I agree here, Sylux isn't really that important until he gets a bigger role in the next game.

Sakurai couldn't give to ****s about the Prime series (Frigate Orpheon sucks! We could have gotten SO much better.) I mean, look at Samus, she is not in her Prime form.

Frigate Orpheon does not suck, that's your opinion, and that is not a reason to say Sakurai hates MP. Japan dislikes MP, that is not the only factor that Sakurai must consider. And they chose a new, slightly updated SM suit, that doesn't mean she's not in her Prime form. That's like saying Mario has F.L.U.D.D., he's on his SMS form..

I think if Sakurai was going to put even Dark Samus/Metroid Prime inthe game, it would be a boss or Assist Trophie.

Maybe, maybe not. Dark Samus is pretty important, she shouldn't be reduced to "only" have the option of being a boss..or AT..

In conclusion, I think the Metroid series would be in order of Samus, Ridley, and Space Pirate. But those are just my views on it...

Well, nice views
Blame me if I'm wrong, but I see the playable character order for Metroid like this..
1( Samus
1.5( Zamus(not counting as a full rep..)
2( Ridley
3( Dark Samus
4( A Hunter, I'm not picking a particular one, but any of them I guess.
5( Space Pirate(Unless you be specific, I really see them as SSE enemies)
6( Other.....Geemer FTW!

If you still doubt DS, suggest you look at my Dark Samus thread on Brawl Central..
http://brawlcentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=856

 

[antimatter]

i agree. that was how i saw the order of characters in smash. i'll just keep hoping sylux makes it in by ssb4.

 

[Machete]

I'm starting to think Darkpaladin of Chaos is the only one that knows his Metroid in here. In my opinion, a Space Pirate has a better chance than Sylux. He made his premier in (the blasphemy that was) Metroid Prime Hunters. Now, Japan isn't really big on the Prime series in general, let alone Hunters. But Japan also isn't big on First Person games. Sylux may have played a primary role, and he may have made an appearance in MP3, but as far as I'm concerned, Sakurai couldn't give to ****s about the Prime series (Frigate Orpheon sucks! We could have gotten SO much better.) I mean, look at Samus, she is not in her Prime form. I think if Sakurai was going to put even Dark Samus/Metroid Prime inthe game, it would be a boss or Assist Trophie.
In conclusion, I think the Metroid series would be in order of Samus, Ridley, and Space Pirate. But those are just my views on it...

A standard space pirate? Hah.

If Toad is not playable, who's the most important generic character ever, a space pirate? Really... I mean... ok, maybe they're more likely than Sylux and they've more personality than him, but they have no chance. They're going to be either assist trophies or subspace enemies (or Ridley FS).

I support Dark Samus, but I know she's highly unlikely. But, even though Prime is hated in Japan, Prime is a very important subseries; and Dark Samus is the main villain. She's the only possible third Metroid character, and Metroid deserves more representation than StarFox, for example.

Also, Frigate Orpheon is an awesome stage, IMO. Sakurai maybe dislikes Prime, but that series revived Metroid. It deserves some representation. Although, as I said before, I think that Dark Samus will be an Assist.

 

[Igneous42]

It's a main villain role in three games as opposed to a lot more, that gives her about Vaati's likelihood.
(Plus, I hear the Prime games were pretty unpopular in Japan, which may or may not hurt her chances.)

Metroid in general isn't that popular in Japan. The Prime series is the only reason Metroid is an ongoing series. If not for the Prime series Fusion would have likely been the last game. Metroid was a dying series and Prime breathed life back into it. There's a reason why they started putting the word "prime" on the end of every metroid game. Because it was popular here.

 

[DQP]

the only non-dragon metroid rep should definitely be dark samus. but other metroid enemies (i.e. kraid) would make great subspace bosses.

 

[motsalogeL]

No the only games that had "Prime" on it were the FPS type ones, there were still Metroid games without it. And it wasn't a dead series, it was on hiatus. Metroid Fusion came out at the SAME TIME as Metroid Prime so it had nothing to do with it. But never the less the 2D ones > 3D ones.

And Metroid IS popular in Japan, just not Metroid Prime.

 

[Phyvo]

No the only games that had "Prime" on it were the FPS type ones, there were still Metroid games without it. And it wasn't a dead series, it was on hiatus. Metroid Fusion came out at the SAME TIME as Metroid Prime so it had nothing to do with it. But never the less the 2D ones > 3D ones.

What he's getting at, I think, is that Prime has two sequels which have filled in the gap somewhat between Fusion and the next 2D platformer. Without the Prime games we'd be more in the same position we were in when SSB first came out. Nintendo obviously cares about Metroid, but it's more secondary compared to franchises like Zelda and Mario. The Prime games, whatever your opinion of their quality may be, have pushed Metroid further to the front of Nintendo's big franchises. The US is, after all, a market like any other which you sell stuff in.

In any case, I expect at least one more Metroid game in the future, since Fusion hints at it (look it up if you want to know how). As for future 3D Metroid games, I think they have some good closure with the prime series and the next game will be 2d. Beyond that, who bloody knows.

Umm... I guess I don't have anything new to say which is more on-topic. >.>

 

[motsalogeL]

The Prime series (All of them) were set between MetroidZM and Metroid 2. And Fusion and Metroid Zero mission were still going to come out regardless of the Prime series, and Metroid before the Hiatus was similar to Zelda in what type of franchise it was.

 

[A Link to the Snitch]

Kraid isn't too big, he's just too awkward, what with the big belly and short legs.

Space Pirate's too generic.

You can't pick just one Hunter.

Crocomire, like Kraid, would be too awkward.

And Mother Brain is probably the only possible character besides Ridley and Dark Samus, but I simply do not see her ever ever making it.

 

[Deleted member]

i agree. that was how i saw the order of characters in smash. i'll just keep hoping sylux makes it in by ssb4.

I hereby bet 2 million American dollars he will be.

Its just gonna take a while before he becomes more mainstream, thats all.

 

[Demon Kirby]

1. Kraid - Most likely a boss or stage hazard again.

2. Space Pirate - Trophy or Assist Trophy, maybe a sticker included.

3. Sylux - I really can't see him beyond a sticker.

4. Mother Brain - Boss.


Dark Samus or Ridley is going to be the third Metroid rep, no questions about hat.

 

[motsalogeL]

No its Ridley or no one, DS might get in after Ridley.

 

[A Link to the Snitch]

Also, MP Hunters is actually the most popular MP game in Japan.

 

[Chaosblade77]

In any case, I expect at least one more Metroid game in the future, since Fusion hints at it (look it up if you want to know how). As for future 3D Metroid games, I think they have some good closure with the prime series and the next game will be 2d. Beyond that, who bloody knows.

I am pretty sure that Retro Studios is going to make at least one more Metroid game. I don't remember if it's been officially confirmed or not, but I know there was a lead in at the end of Prime 3 on the 100% ending, and I read somewhere Retro was still going with Metroid (although the "Prime" arc is over; it would have a different title).

I also don't know if there will be another 2D Metroid game, it seems sketchy. They went first person on GCN/Wii and they clearly won't return to a 2D game on the Wii, and the DS... eh. It's possible, only because Hunters flopped. Hard to say in that case really.

 

[A Link to the Snitch]

Hunters didn't move mountains, but it did more than 700,000.

 

[Machete]

And Mother Brain is probably the only possible character besides Ridley and Dark Samus, but I simply do not see her ever ever making it.

Yeah. MotherBrain could be playable because it's the most important character besides Ridley and Samus... but I can't see it. He should be in his Super Metroid form, but Sakurai should be really desperate to add it.

A boss, with his Super Metroid form, would be perfect.


I think we can safely assume that the Metroid roster will have Samus, Zero Suit Samus and Ridley. Then, if the roster is bigger than we can expect, Dark Samus could be in too.

 

[MrPitters2351]

Space Pirates has to be in. At the least an AT, at the most a boss. Ridley should defiantly be in, but there has to be more rep. I mean, Metroid is a very popular series, and it deserves more rep. I'm indifferent with Dark Samus, but Ridley or a Pirate have to be in and not just on some sticker.

 

[SurooshX]

That's like the 5th time you've said that All of us do, you're just biased..

lol, I've only posted inthis thread twice. First time I said that Shuma and me know our Metroid. Second time I said what's-his-face knows it too, cause people aren't understanding things. It just seemed to me that Shuma and the Chaos-guy were the only ones that were talking out of knowledge of, not only the game, but the development and everything.

 

[A Link to the Snitch]

You seem to forget me, though.

There are only two more possible reps. Dark Samus and Ridley.

 

[antimatter]

two more for brawl. in seven more years, i bet metroid will have earned a fourth rep, not counting zss.

 

[motsalogeL]

lol, I've only posted inthis thread twice. First time I said that Shuma and me know our Metroid. Second time I said what's-his-face knows it too, cause people aren't understanding things. It just seemed to me that Shuma and the Chaos-guy were the only ones that were talking out of knowledge of, not only the game, but the development and everything.

Yeah if you also disregard what everyone says.

 

[Weltunter]

Space Pirates would be really good enemies and/or mini bosses for SSE