No Crying Until the End: Ninten for Smash Ultimate!

[Deleted member]

Listening to this remix makes me feel even more confident and excited about Ninten getting in!

Speaking of Ninten getting in, what would you guys would like to see as a cool stage? I think Mt Itoi would be cool and the best idea since... well... it is named after the man of the series, after all. Also it would be cool if we got a view of other locations from Mother 1 in the distance.
(maybe even have Porky appear in the background or as a stage hazard to please those people who demand to see Porky in, just like how Magicant has some elements from Mother 2 in it.)

For Ninten's stage (if he is in), I would love it to be either, like you said, Mt. Itoi, or Podunk. I would love either.

Something cool in Mother 1 was, when you first talk to Loid for him to join your party, you can see a view of Mt. Itoi in the distance. It would be cool if you could see a view if Twink Elementary in the distance for a potential Mt. Itoi stage

I really love the new Magicant remix too btw

 

[TheCJBrine]

Mt. Itoi would be cool.

You could go inside and fight Giegue as a stage boss or something.

Podunk Zoo could have an animal stampede as a hazard occurring ever so often.

Magicant could...wait...

 

[Saer2k]

Listening to this remix makes me feel even more confident and excited about Ninten getting in!

Speaking of Ninten getting in, what would you guys would like to see as a cool stage? I think Mt Itoi would be cool and the best idea since... well... it is named after the man of the series, after all. Also it would be cool if we got a view of other locations from Mother 1 in the distance.
(maybe even have Porky appear in the background or as a stage hazard to please those people who demand to see Porky in, just like how Magicant has some elements from Mother 2 in it.)

Mt Itoi and Podunk Zoo would be the stages I want the most, like you said before Mt. Itoi is named after
the man who created this awesome franchise. The Ruined Zoo from Brawl made me kinda want a Podunk Zoo
stage, I imagine it can have a eerie and depressing scenery. There is a lot they can pull from Mother 1 and use.

 

[Dib]

Mt Itoi and Podunk Zoo would be the stages I want the most, like you said before Mt. Itoi is named after
the man who created this awesome franchise. The Ruined Zoo from Brawl made me kinda want a Podunk Zoo
stage, I imagine it can have a eerie and depressing scenery. There is a lot they can pull from Mother 1 and use.

I was thinking that if it's not the Ruined Zoo, then have a view of it in the distance (if they choose Mt. Itoi, that is). That would also mean that close to it we would get to see Ninten's house and the cemetery.
It would be just like how the Great Plateau tower from Breath of the Wild features an accurate view of the area the tower is located. You can even see the Slumber of Restoration where Link comes from at the beginning of the game. Or how you can see the comet in the Onett stage along with Ness's house.

In any case, based on what we have as evidence for Ninten to get in, I'm really hoping that it IS him. I'm just really curious how they would redesign Ninten, based on the many possibilities his new design could be. Will they really take elements from the commercial and the novel? Or will they work with what the clay model has and update the looks?

 

[Deleted member]

I was thinking that if it's not the Ruined Zoo, then have a view of it in the distance (if they choose Mt. Itoi, that is). That would also mean that close to it we would get to see Ninten's house and the cemetery.
It would be just like how the Great Plateau tower from Breath of the Wild features an accurate view of the area the tower is located. You can even see the Slumber of Restoration where Link comes from at the beginning of the game. Or how you can see the comet in the Onett stage along with Ness's house.

In any case, based on what we have as evidence for Ninten to get in, I'm really hoping that it IS him. I'm just really curious how they would redesign Ninten, based on the many possibilities his new design could be. Will he really take elements from the commercial and the novel? Or will he work with what the clay model has an update the looks?

For Ninten's design, I think he will either use his commercial design or get a redesign (if he is in). He has to have the bandana either way though.

 

[Mad Duck]

I'm pretty much stuck between Ninten and Erdrick, because on one hand, I grew up playing Dragon Quest and would love
to see Eridrick in the game. On the other however, I love Earthbound/Mother, it would honestly satisfy me to see
all the main PSI boys fighting together in one game.

Same,that's why I'm fine with whoever they announce,if it's Ninten then great but I really want Erdrick too.

(plot twist in the end it's neither of them)

 

[Dib]

For Ninten's design, I think he will either use his commercial design or get a redesign (if he is in). He has to have a bandana either way though.

I agree with that, though I could also see him without the bandana but having a shirt with white, blue and red stripes.
Still, I would prefer him having the bandana, wouldn't make him look over designed with a bandana and longer, spikier hair since Ness has a backpack and Lucas has some fancy shoes and cool hairdo.

Last thing am wondering is what will they choose for his Final Smash and his moves since there's so much. I would preffer to see PK Beam as a side B, 4th-Slip as Up B and Powershield as down B working like Palutena's down B, which is both a counter and a deflector.

Same,that's why I'm fine with whoever they announce,if it's Ninten then great but I really want Erdrick too.

(plot twist in the end it's neither of them)

Turns out to actually be Sora (as unbelievable as that sounds, based on the height of Brave) with an extremely loud version of Sanctuary or Simple and Clean playing.

 

[Deleted member]

I agree with that, though I could also see him without the bandana but having a shirt with white, blue and red stripes.
Still, I would prefer him having the bandana, wouldn't make him look over designed with a bandana and longer, spikier hair since Ness has a backpack and Lucas has some fancy shoes and cool hairdo.

Last thing am wondering is what will they choose for his Final Smash and his moves since there's so much. I would preffer to see PK Beam as a side B, 4th-Slip as Up B and Powershield as down B working like Palutena's down B, which is both a counter and a deflector.



Turns out to actually be Sora (as unbelievable as that sounds, based on the height of Brave) with an extremely loud version of Sanctuary or Simple and Clean playing.

I do think he will have his bandana because it's his most iconic design piece. The only times he is depicted without it is in the Mother 1 game and his clay model. After the Japanese commercial, he is almost always depicted with his bandana.

I think he would either have him, Ana, and Loid singing the 8 melodies as his final smash, or using EVE as his final smash.

I like him using, like you said, PK beam as his neutral b, a PSI controlled boomerang as his side b, 4th-D-Slip as his up b, and either PK shield or telepathy as his down b

 

[AdmN30]

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1gn4j7Lb0cKqcK_dC1izDG61Q8kEFSWk_cd_8Lyvk4T4/edit?usp=sharing

Alright that oughta do it!

Well done! You brought up a lot of good points.

 

[Saer2k]

Same,that's why I'm fine with whoever they announce,if it's Ninten then great but I really want Erdrick too.

(plot twist in the end it's neither of them)

That would be SUPER depressing if it's neither.

 

[The Anigriffin]

Nice PowerPoint as always, it was a great read!

Weird enough, it's not particularly common but for some reason I am surrounded by people who aren't just indifferent to Ninten, but are viciously against him being included as a fighter. Like, vicious to the point where you're verbally shot on sight for mentioning him anywhere in the server.

And that just gives me another reason to hope he's the next DLC; The salt mining.

Hey thanks! I'm honestly impressed people are reading the whole thing since it's a borderline novel at this point so I really appreciate it!

Ugh, I'm sorry you have to deal with that. I was lucky enough to mod for a server that either wanted Ninten or was just indifferent towards him. ...At least that's what I thought until tonight. Turns out now the server is ****ing on him a lot and that honestly really fires me up since I modded that server for four damn months and barely saw any Ninten hate. Now that I'm gone? It's the cool new thing to do. So yes. The salt would be absolutely a m a z i n g.

Speaking of Ninten getting in, what would you guys would like to see as a cool stage?

I really want Mt. Itoi, but I'm really thinking we're gonna get the Podunk Zoo. As long as Battle With a Dangerous Foe comes in the music I'm happy!

Well done! You brought up a lot of good points.

OH IT'S THE CREATOR OF THE THREAD HI! I don't think I've ever actually spoken with you before! I'm kinda sorry for turning your thread into probably around 30 pages of Ani's Conspiracy Corner, but I'm glad you liked the slideshow! Kid's got a damn good shot.

 

[Deleted member]

I hope Fallin Love is included in a potential Ninten pack as well. It's guaranteed that the 8 melodies will be a track if Ninten is DLC.

Well, I think I'm gonna hit the hay, ya'll. Good night!

 

[FerrousFarron]

Ugh, I'm sorry you have to deal with that. I was lucky enough to mod for a server that either wanted Ninten or was just indifferent towards him. ...At least that's what I thought until tonight. Turns out now the server is ****ing on him a lot and that honestly really fires me up since I modded that server for four damn months and barely saw any Ninten hate. Now that I'm gone? It's the cool new thing to do. So yes. The salt would be absolutely a m a z i n g.

If it makes it any funnier though, one of the guys that has a go at me at even the slightest mention of Ninten is a dude that I somehow caused to despise the entire MOTHER franchise just because I beat his ass with Ness in Smash a few too many times. The salt will flow.

"Arguments" against Ninten made by that same dude:
- "Spirits are a deconfirm!" (even after it's been explained to him why this isn't the case and that it's just a fan "rule")
- "MOTHER is already overrepresented!"

I guess you can't convince 'em all, huh. But I was floored at the idea that it's "overrepresented" like...wh...

 

[GoodGrief741]

You all mention Mt. Itoi and Podunk Zoo, and those are all great stage ideas.

But what about Ellay?

 

[Dib]

You all mention Mt. Itoi and Podunk Zoo, and those are all great stage ideas.

But what about Ellay?

You're right! Ellay would also be a good choice to see the sea and parts of the city, maybe even showing the sea with and other locations far away (depending on the angle).
I just thought Mt. Itoi or the Podunk Zoo were good choices cuz Ellay, if I'm not mistaken, is another city-like location. Nothing against the city aesthetic, I just thought the 2 mentioned locations were more iconic and well known and offered a different and unique scenery.

I would not mind either way as long as we get out momma's boy. We could get the ugliest, most annoying and most uninspired stage and I would be happy that Ninten got in. (And well... a new stage is a new stage, always a nice plus in my book, no matter what it is)

However, I just hope they don't decide to make a stage of one of the factories (inside, I the factories, to be specific). The factories were literally the one place I disliked from Mother 1 and other than being a dungeon to explore and progress the story they were not significant to the story. (Note that I'm not referring to the lab where Eve comes from, which at least has windows showing the bottom of the lake, which makes it look much less... gray)

 

[Mad Duck]

However, I just hope they don't decide to make a stage of one of the factories (inside, I the factories, to be specific). The factories were literally the one place I disliked from Mother 1 and other than being a dungeon to explore and progress the story they were not significant to the story. (Note that I'm not referring to the lab where Eve comes from, which at least has windows showing the bottom of the lake, which makes it look much less... gray)

I doubt the factories as potential stages,they are nowhere near as iconic as Mt Itoi,for example.

As Magicant is already in (personally the best stage to represent this game) I would like Mt Itoi or Snowman as another EBB stage.
In terms of music I'm fine with whatever they arrange,though I admit I've been waiting for a Battle with a Dangerous Foe remix since forever.

 

[The Anigriffin]

If it makes it any funnier though, one of the guys that has a go at me at even the slightest mention of Ninten is a dude that I somehow caused to despise the entire MOTHER franchise just because I beat his *** with Ness in Smash a few too many times. The salt will flow.

"Arguments" against Ninten made by that same dude:
- "Spirits are a deconfirm!" (even after it's been explained to him why this isn't the case and that it's just a fan "rule")
- "MOTHER is already overrepresented!"

I guess you can't convince 'em all, huh. But I was floored at the idea that it's "overrepresented" like...wh...

Bet they seethed when they realized Lucina, Robin, and Chrom were all from the same singular game. Good lord this guy sounds childish. I’m still pissed about that server I modded for too. 4 months of trying to convince people on Ninten being a good addition thinking it worked, then after I leave everyone backtracks and makes fun of me. Sometimes it’s better to just share with actual open minded people rather than everyone which is why I’m glad I found the Ninten thread here thanks to Zack. Only place that people will truly listen to my ramblings without completely dumping on me.

In terms of music I'm fine with whatever they arrange,though I admit I've been waiting for a Battle with a Dangerous Foe remix since forever.

I think I’d actually bust into tears if Battle with a Dangerous Foe gets in. I’ve been obsessed with that track since I was 12.

 

[Patwhit01]

I think I’d actually bust into tears if Battle with a Dangerous Foe gets in. I’ve been obsessed with that track since I was 12.

That's how i feel with Wisdom of the World and All That I Needed Was You. I need those tracks in Smash. The fact that they get ignored so hard by fans is one of the biggest disappointments.

 

[The Anigriffin]

That's how i feel with Wisdom of the World and All That I Needed Was You. I need those tracks in Smash. The fact that they get ignored so hard by fans is one of the biggest disappointments.

All that I Needed Was You is another one I need. I don't know How many times I played that track on repeat driving back and forth to school.

 

[Deleted member]

If it makes it any funnier though, one of the guys that has a go at me at even the slightest mention of Ninten is a dude that I somehow caused to despise the entire MOTHER franchise just because I beat his *** with Ness in Smash a few too many times. The salt will flow.

"Arguments" against Ninten made by that same dude:
- "Spirits are a deconfirm!" (even after it's been explained to him why this isn't the case and that it's just a fan "rule")
- "MOTHER is already overrepresented!"

I guess you can't convince 'em all, huh. But I was floored at the idea that it's "overrepresented" like...wh...

Lmao I left a comment on a YouTube vid about wanting Ninten as DLC and I got a reply saying "Ninten isn't coming because there are no more echos."

I gave a unique potential moveset for Ninten to the dude and he still replied to me saying "he would still be an echo and many people agree with me."

They just believe what they want to believe and the salt would be glorious if Ninten is confirmed. "Oh, I never said he would definitely be an echo, I just personally thought he would be an echo!"

 

[AdmN30]

OH IT'S THE CREATOR OF THE THREAD HI! I don't think I've ever actually spoken with you before! I'm kinda sorry for turning your thread into probably around 30 pages of Ani's Conspiracy Corner, but I'm glad you liked the slideshow! Kid's got a damn good shot.

Don't worry about it. I'm just glad to see that more people are supporting him.

 

[RileyXY1]

Don't worry about it. I'm just glad to see that more people are supporting him.

Yeah. Most people have accepted that the Fighter Pass is going to be entirely comprised of characters from unrepresented 3rd party franchises. The speculation that Ninten is "Brave" actually makes this period of Smash speculation more lively and enjoyable. When he is revealed (if he's in), people would be absolutely shocked.

 

[xdenzee]

As a stage, I'd love to see either the Yucca/Advent Desert or Mt Itoi. I can imagine the view of the monkey ruins, the singing cactus, the airplane, the tank and even R7037 as a stage hazard along with other enemies like Gabilans, Nancy, etc. Mt Itoi because other than Magicant, it's my most memorable location. I can see it like a scrolling stage starting from the plateau, to the lake, the upper levels and finally the peak. The sheer amount of enemies on Mt Itoi could make for some neat stage hazards too, like the R7038's, Rockoyles, Oh-Mooks, Omega Borgs, etc.

 

[Deleted member]

As a stage, I'd love to see either the Yucca/Advent Desert or Mt Itoi. I can imagine the view of the monkey ruins, the singing cactus, the airplane, the tank and even R7037 as a stage hazard along with other enemies like Gabilans, Nancy, etc. Mt Itoi because other than Magicant, it's my most memorable location. I can see it like a scrolling stage starting from the plateau, to the lake, the upper levels and finally the peak. The sheer amount of enemies on Mt Itoi could make for some neat stage hazards too, like the R7038's, Rockoyles, Oh-Mooks, Omega Borgs, etc.

Stage hazards of enemies would be awesome (or like how the Castlevania enemies appear in Dracula's Castle).

 

[The Anigriffin]

Lmao I left a comment on a YouTube vid about wanting Ninten as DLC and I got a reply saying "Ninten isn't coming because there are no more echos."

I gave a unique potential moveset for Ninten to the dude and he still replied to me saying "he would still be an echo and many people agree with me."

They just believe what they want to believe and the salt would be glorious if Ninten is confirmed. "Oh, I never said he would definitely be an echo, I just personally thought he would be an echo!"

I'm honestly thinking most people that say garbage like this A: Never played Mother 1, B: Had their character deconfirmed via Assist Trophy and are lashing out, or C: Just want to start a fight. Or All of the above. Just my theory.

Don't worry about it. I'm just glad to see that more people are supporting him.

Glad to be here! I used to be known as "Lord of the Ninten Defenders" in Laxcord heh... When I learned there was really nothing left for me there, I stumbled upon Geno thread by pure coincidence, then Zack brought me here. And I've been throwing theories at the wall here since then.

Yeah. Most people have accepted that the Fighter Pass is going to be entirely comprised of characters from unrepresented 3rd party franchises. The speculation that Ninten is "Brave" actually makes this period of Smash speculation more lively and enjoyable. When he is revealed (if he's in), people would be absolutely shocked.

As implied by Joker: "You'll never see it coming~~~"

As a stage, I'd love to see either the Yucca/Advent Desert or Mt Itoi. I can imagine the view of the monkey ruins, the singing cactus, the airplane, the tank and even R7037 as a stage hazard along with other enemies like Gabilans, Nancy, etc. Mt Itoi because other than Magicant, it's my most memorable location. I can see it like a scrolling stage starting from the plateau, to the lake, the upper levels and finally the peak. The sheer amount of enemies on Mt Itoi could make for some neat stage hazards too, like the R7038's, Rockoyles, Oh-Mooks, Omega Borgs, etc.

Man this post makes me really hope I'm wrong about the Podunk Zoo being the stage. I'd KILL for this!

 

[GoodGrief741]

You're right! Ellay would also be a good choice to see the sea and parts of the city, maybe even showing the sea with and other locations far away (depending on the angle).
I just thought Mt. Itoi or the Podunk Zoo were good choices cuz Ellay, if I'm not mistaken, is another city-like location. Nothing against the city aesthetic, I just thought the 2 mentioned locations were more iconic and well known and offered a different and unique scenery.

I would not mind either way as long as we get out momma's boy. We could get the ugliest, most annoying and most uninspired stage and I would be happy that Ninten got in. (And well... a new stage is a new stage, always a nice plus in my book, no matter what it is)

However, I just hope they don't decide to make a stage of one of the factories (inside, I the factories, to be specific). The factories were literally the one place I disliked from Mother 1 and other than being a dungeon to explore and progress the story they were not significant to the story. (Note that I'm not referring to the lab where Eve comes from, which at least has windows showing the bottom of the lake, which makes it look much less... gray)

Aw, I’d like the factories. I’d honestly like anything that could be in as a Mother 1 stage. Just has a cool aesthetic.

What was the name of the railway? That could also work. To differentiate from Spirit Train, it would stop around several different cities.

 

[The Anigriffin]

Aw, I’d like the factories. I’d honestly like anything that could be in as a Mother 1 stage. Just has a cool aesthetic.

What was the name of the railway? That could also work. To differentiate from Spirit Train, it would stop around several different cities.

Paradise Line right? Or was that just the name of the music that played there?

 

[Deleted member]

Aw, I’d like the factories. I’d honestly like anything that could be in as a Mother 1 stage. Just has a cool aesthetic.

What was the name of the railway? That could also work. To differentiate from Spirit Train, it would stop around several different cities.

I would like any stage along with our boy as well, lol.

I'd prefer it to be Mt. Itoi, though, but, again, I would be fine with any Mother 1 stage with Ninten.

Paradise Line right? Or was that just the name of the music that played there?

I think so.

Imagine the music that plays during that segment being included in a Ninten pack.

 

[The Anigriffin]

I would like any stage along with our boy as well, lol.

I'd prefer it to be Mt. Itoi, though, but, again, I would be fine with any Mother 1 stage with Ninten.



I think so.

Imagine the music that plays during that segment being included in a Ninten pack.

Bro, if I fangirl in school people are going to think I'm weirder than they already do.

 

[FerrousFarron]

I'd be for the factories too honestly, but like almost everyone else here I'd prefer Mt. Itoi as a new stage since it's more iconic to the game.

There are definitely a handful of stage possibilities, but most of them don't have the same impact as Podunk Zoo or Mt. Itoi.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Most of the fanbase can't make up its mind over series character amount limits. One is not enough, but several added in the same game is too many? Lord forbid that some series could actually use more characters in the first place!

Also, Mt. Itoi is necessary mainly because it's the most notoriously hardest place in the first game, balance flew out the window at that point.

Yeah. Most people have accepted that the Fighter Pass is going to be entirely comprised of characters from unrepresented 3rd party franchises. The speculation that Ninten is "Brave" actually makes this period of Smash speculation more lively and enjoyable. When he is revealed (if he's in), people would be absolutely shocked.

Most people are , you just have to deal with it, you know.

 

[The Anigriffin]

Most of the fanbase can't make up its mind over series character amount limits. One is not enough, but several added in the same game is too many? Lord forbid that some series could actually use more characters in the first place!



Most people are , you just have to deal with it, you know.

"Cut Luigi, we already have Mario!"

 

[Deleted member]

I'd be for the factories too honestly, but like almost everyone else here I'd prefer Mt. Itoi as a new stage since it's more iconic to the game.

There are definitely a handful of stage possibilities, but most of them don't have the same impact as Podunk Zoo or Mt. Itoi.

I'd like Podunk too overall, rather than Podunk Zoo specifically.

"Cut Luigi, we already have Mario!"

Lmao'd so hard after reading this

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

"Cut Luigi, we already have Mario!"

I'm a Luigi fan and I still found it hilarious, because it's probably true.

Also, I have a hunch we'll get a bunch of characters all at once when they finally get around to adding newcomers from there, to make up for lost time. Most people would freak out, but I wouldn't care, I'd be shagging glad that I get my wants in there at all.

 

[The Anigriffin]

I'm a Luigi fan and I still found it hilarious, because it's probably true.

Also, I have a hunch we'll get a bunch of characters added all at once when they finally get around to adding newcomers from there, to make up for lost time. Most people would freak out, but I wouldn't care, I'd be shagging glad that I get my wants in there at all.

Honestly Knuckles would be a pretty good pick in my personal opinion.

 

[Mad Duck]

Most of the fanbase can't make up its mind over series character amount limits. One is not enough, but several added in the same game is too many? Lord forbid that some series could actually use more characters in the first place!

Sadly most of the people who whine the loudest are the ones who's absolute fave didn't make the cut. I'm 100% sure that if the banner hoax turned out to be real,nobody would mind Ninten being DLC.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm a Luigi fan and I still found it hilarious, because it's probably true.

Also, I have a hunch we'll get a bunch of characters added all at once when they finally get around to adding newcomers from there, to make up for lost time. Most people would freak out, but I wouldn't care, I'd be shagging glad that I get my wants in there at all.

Shadow being an assist was disgusting.

I thought Joker's reveal was cool (but I'm losing interest in him now tbh), and I wanted Tails a lot more than him as DLC.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Sadly most of the people who whine the loudest are the ones who's absolute fave didn't make the cut. I'm 100% sure that if the banner hoax turned out to be real,nobody would mind Ninten being DLC.

On the other hand, anything going against the "Pass is just third party, everyone go home" mindset would be nice.

Besides, I'm neutral on Shadow anyway, I'd much rather see Tails get in first (well, either him or Eggman). Seniority and all that.

 

[Mad Duck]

I liked Joker's reveal because I really like Persona and SMT,well JRPGs in general. I welcome any character from an RPG,turn based specially

Honestly Knuckles would be a pretty good pick in my personal opinion.

His moveset as an Assist is pretty impressive,I'm surprised he wasn't playable.

 

[The Anigriffin]

Sadly most of the people who whine the loudest are the ones who's absolute fave didn't make the cut. I'm 100% sure that if the banner hoax turned out to be real,nobody would mind Ninten being DLC.

This is a good point actually. I honestly despise the banner leak since all it did was throw flames on the powder keg that was toxic side of Smash Speculation.

His moveset as an Assist is pretty impressive,I'm surprised he wasn't playable.

He was my favorite Sonic character when I was a little kid so I'd welcome him with open arms honestly.