NMSC Ruleset (Open Discussion Begun) Updated April 1st

[Kashakunaki]

Open discussion has begun for the New Mexico Smash Community Ruleset!

Recent Modifications
~Removed the (?) next to Yoshi's Island.
~Changed SSBM Yoshi's Island's name from "Old Yoshi's Island(?)" to "SSBM Yoshi's Island" and made it a Banned stage.
~Banned Falco's laserlock
~Banned Dedede's Infinite Wall Chaingrab
~Made Halbred a Counter Pick rather than a Neutral stage.
~Made Luigi's Mansion on teams a Counter Pick stage rather than a Neutral stage.
~Made Mario's Circuit on teams a Counter Pick stage rather than a Neutral stage.
~Made Distant Planet on teams a Counter Pick stage rather than a Banned stage.
~Made Onett on teams a Banned stage rather than a Counter Pick stage.

Stages:
~Singles~
Battlefiled - Neutral
Final Destination - Neutral
Delfino Plaza - Counter Pick
Luigi's Mansion - Counter Pick
Mushroomy Kingdom - Banned
Mario Circuit - Banned
Rumble Falls - Banned
Bridge of Eldin - Banned
Great Sea - Counter Pick
Norfair - Counter Pick
Orpheon Frigate - Counter Pick
Yoshi's Island - Neutral
Halbred - Counter Pick
Lylat Cruise - Neutral
Pokemon Stadium 2 - Counter Pick
Spear Pillar - Banned
Port Aero Town - Counter Pick
Castle Siege - Banned
Wario Ware - Banned
Distant Planet - Counter Pick
Smashville - Neutral
New Pork City - Banned
Icicle Summit - Banned
Skyworld - Banned
75m - Banned
Super Mario Bros. - Banned
Flat Zone 2 - Banned
Pictochat - Counter Pick
Electroplankton - Counter Pick
Shadow Moses Island - Banned
Green Hill Zone - Counter Pick
Hyrule Temple - Banned
SSBM Yoshi's Island - Banned
Jungle Japes - Counter Pick
Onett - Banned
Corneria - Counter Pick
Rainbow Cruise - Counter Pick
Green Greens - Counter Pick
Big Blue - Banned
Brinstar - Counter Pick
Pokemon Stadium - Neutral
Custom Stages - Banned

~Teams~
Battlefiled - Neutral
Final Destination - Neutral
Delfino Plaza - Neutral
Luigi's Mansion - Counter Pick
Mushroomy Kingdom - Banned
Mario Circuit - Counter Pick
Rumble Falls - Banned
Bridge of Eldin - Counter Pick
Great Sea - Counter Pick
Norfair - Counter Pick
Orpheon Frigate - Counter Pick
Yoshi's Island - Neutral
Halbred - Counter Pick
Lylat Cruise - Neutral
Pokemon Stadium 2 - Counter Pick
Spear Pillar - Banned
Port Aero Town - Counter Pick
Castle Siege - Counter Pick
Wario Ware - Banned
Distant Planet - Counter Pick
Smashville - Neutral
New Pork City - Banned
Icicle Summit - Banned
Skyworld - Banned
75m - Banned
Super Mario Bros. - Banned
Flat Zone 2 - Banned
Pictochat - Counter Pick
Electroplankton - Counter Pick
Shadow Moses Island - Counter Pick
Green Hill Zone - Counter Pick
Hyrule Temple - Banned
SSBM Yoshi's Island - Banned
Jungle Japes - Counter Pick
Onett - Counter Pick
Corneria - Counter Pick
Rainbow Cruise - Counter Pick
Green Greens - Counter Pick
Big Blue - Banned
Brinstar - Counter Pick
Pokemon Stadium - Neutral
Custom Stages - Banned

Misc.
~Singles~
Stock - 3 Stock
Time - 6 Minutes
Dave's Stupid Rule - Still In Effect
Slob Picks - Still In Effect
Falco's Laserlock - Banned
Dedede's Infinite Wall Chaingrab - Banned

~Teams~
Stock - 3 Stock
Time - 8 Minutes
Dave's Stupid Rule - Still In Effect
Slob Picks - Still In Effect
Friendly Fire - On
Falco's Laserlock - Banned
Dedede's Infinite Wall Chaingrab - Banned

Items:
All Items - Banned

Here, everyone contributes.

Discuss.

 

[majoras.]

oh yeah man, heart containers for double life and new pork city and hyrule temple to stall time FTW!!...you rock.

 

[xyouxarexuglyx2]

Yep.

Dem OOS players are going to be flooding in for Final Smash, Hammer, Heart Container, Starman, Low gravirt, Hyrule Temple/New Pork/Mushroomy Kingdom fun.

Dat **** gets purty darn epic, idk why MLG doesn't host tourneys that way.

 

[Gea]

He's saying he'll start with an open mind and narrow it down. There's no harm in that. In fact, in ensures that things that could be overlooked won't be.

 

[sync]

Well we'll have to see tomorrow then I guess.

 

[Kashakunaki]

Thank you Gea.

Christ guys. Way to be condescending. You play your way and we'll play ours. Their might a stage that's perfectly legal and fair and fun that you may play banned just because it "looked banned".

Do you think when Melee first came out everyone instantly knew what should be banned or allowed or Dave's Stupid Rule, etc? The answer is no. It came with trial and error. That's the same thing here. Take out of your *** whatever crawled up it and died.

 

[Shapechanger]

I'm all for it. Brawl is not Melee, and extensive playtime should be had before we can determine what ruleset will be the most competetive choice.

 

[tw1n]

Agreed. I think the first initial trial and error tourny ruleset for New Mexico shouldnt come till at least (AT LEAST) 2 weeks or so of play time. After that we should be having the first tournament

 

[Kashakunaki]

I couldn't have said it better myself. And nice signature, tw1n.

 

[Alphabravo]

This is NOT Melee 2.0! This is Brawl! Seriously, you can't think of Brawl tournament rulesets in terms of Melee. The smash community should, like Kash mentioned, play the game with an open mind instead of just banning anything because it "looks banned" or "appears to be unfair." Let the game play itself out in tournaments. Let's see what techniques/strategies players introduce to the scene BEFORE the community as a whole decides what's fair or unfair.

I love the smash community but sometimes some players within that community are complete idiots. Instead of posting something insightful or useful you guys choose to liter this thread with sarcastic garbage. You don't even provide reasons as to why you think items should be banned or final smashes should be turned off. Have you guys even played the game?

If we just banned certain stages because they appear unfair or ban items without even giving them a fair chance the competitive scene would die out simply because some techniques/strategies never saw the light of day in tournaments.

On that note Davis, we should also contribute to Brawl's competitive scene. Meaning we should provide our opinions regarding rulesets/tournament rules.

 

[tw1n]

Have you gotten the game finally Kash? And personally I'm all for Final Smashes being on. I think that they could turn a match around quickly or just get that insult to injury kill lol

Oh and I love this signature. So true...

 

[Twin_A]

Hmm, I guess that means we'll start with all rules and items on and slowly start narrowing down the list here in NM?

 

[DuskMarthWater]

I agree with Alphabravo here, some people can be a little rude or BIASED. If you all have a brain, aka Majoras or you-are-ugly, then I think you should actually USE it. Don't just post smart*** crap because you're mad that the game won't be a Melee 2.0. Cry me a river, build a bridge and GET OVER IT. Everyone's gonna be playing like noobs the first few weeks, or even months.

But I also think that selecting the stages to be put in, and IF any items should be kept in will take time, but here's a thing to listen to when considering final smashes, all ye who want them in, including myself:

The thing people don't like about some of the final smashes, such as Marth's(prepare yourselves, my fellow NM'ers, BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!) is that if you get hit, you die INSTANTLY, doesn't matter if you DI well, you still CANNOT survive some of them, which is rather unfair, because it involves no skill whatsoever to do that. Now, one may argue, doesn't it take skill to get your opponent in the position they need be to hit them with the final smash? Well, not really as a matter of fact. If I was Marth, and already had a two stock lead on someone, and then I got the smash ball, would you guys like it if I hit you with his final smash? No, I don't believe you would because you still had a chance to beat me, but then I got the smash ball-and if you haven't seen Marth's FS, then I'll tell you that you can't avoid it and it's INSANELY fast-and then I killed you right on the spot. Wow...that last stock took very little skill to take out, huh? Just a point as to why some might not want them in.

Now, don't think that's my opinion, because it's not. I like the final smashes and it'd be cool to use them in tournaments here and there. FS's are way cool, just sometimes they can be a little unfair. If they were in, it would make things more interesting, especially if you were trying to avoid it. Exciting!!!!

In response to Twin_A, that sounds like a good idea, especially with the X-Topia tournament coming around. We'll need a good set of rules for the first real Brawl tournament in New Mexico, probably around the four corners too. What with anywhere from 90-120 people attending, then you know what, we're going to need a good set of rules.

 

[Kashakunaki]

I agree with Alphabravo 100% as well. I also agree that once we get a solid foundation of rules and opinions going we should share them with the rest of the Smash community. To open ears and minds, it could only benefit.

As for the Brawl tournament for the NVGA, that is a must. We can't go into that completely clueless. We have to play the game out, seriously. Why should we group all items together as one big no? Personally, I was neutral about the items argument in Melee, but in Brawl they are a lot more powerful, but perphaps there are a few items that should be allowed in tournament play. Why shouldn't we treat them like stages and go through each one deciding if they are fair or not?

As for Final Smashes... I don't really have a solid opinion on them until I actually use them, but currently I'm pro-FS. However, in your 2 stock Marth example, what if the other guy gets the FS and uses it on you and kills you? You had a two stock lead, now you have a one and his chances are boosted. I don't know... it's a hit or miss deal, but it's not like they are that hard to deal with, either. First you have the randomly appearing aspect, floating around, and having to break it. Then you can knock it out of someone, and even then a majority of them aren't too hard to dodge. You can crawl under Sheik's/Zelda's FS, maybe Marth's, Ike and Metaknight's have ridiculously short range, jump behind Samus and you get a free hit.

Again... hit or miss. And that's what this thread is all about. Figuring out what will be the most fair ruleset possible WITH AN OPEN MIND.

 

[sync]

I agree as well. I personally like using items, but I agree that sometimes it can give less-skilled players an unfair advantage.

When it comes to FSes, I agree that I'm going to have to use them first, but from what I've seen EVERY FINAL SMASH CAN BE AVOIDED. It all depends on the skill of the player. What could be regulated is the amount of Smash Balls in a match. Like turning the items to Very Low. So that an FS would be a rare occurrence. It could prove to make matches a little more interesting. The fight for the Smash Ball increases the heat of battle.

But once again, I won't be sure until I get my hands on the game.

 

[tw1n]

ya I don't want a horrible FS be the reason someone doesn't play a character in a tourny (cough Jigglypuff's blows *** cough). But then again who knows. Every final smash will have its ups and downs :D

As for Items we need to weed out the big ones that would just not be right for tournament play no questions in my opinion. Example: Bomb-ombs. God I love them but in a tournament match I just don't think they are right. but again who knows. Maybe they aren't as good now. We shall see :D

 

[Gea]

Avoiding final smashes is MUCH easier said than done, when they basically get to hold it until they decide to hit B. There are only a few I'd consider actually consistently avoidable. Don't be fooled, ones like Super Sonic look very crazy, but if you are precise with the controlstick you can get epic results. You just have to be gentle.

But I do STRONGLY advise playing with them a few matches before reaching a personal verdict.

 

[tw1n]

I agree with that one. I can't wait to see some of them first hand. Sonic's looks hard to control but with enough practice it looks great. Pikachu's will take alot of practice from the looks of it lol.

 

[Xyro77]

double post. sorry.

 

[Xyro77]

FS should never be allowed. Too many of them are 1 hit KOs. and the ones that arnt 1 hit KOs do MEGA HIGH DAMGE. Plus, some stages, no matter what, some FS will ALWAYS HIT.......thats not right. Leave them out, no need to reach a personal verdict.

 

[Gea]

FS should never be allowed. Too many of them are 1 hit KOs. and the ones that arnt 1 hit KOs do MEGA HIGH DAMGE. Plus, some stages, no matter what, some FS will ALWAYS HIT.......thats not right. Leave them out, no need to reach a personal verdict.

Let them create their own ruleset for their community. There is no reason that they can't experiment and come out with different opinions than the rest of us and because they played this way, have valid reasons with evidence to back it up.

I do agree with your assessment of Final Smashes,TGM. Just not the latter.

 

[tw1n]

I think that the smash community (or pretty much the powers that be) is inevitably going to have to decide on the final ruleset with alot of different people giving their opinion. Eventually a standard ruleset will be made and most all tournaments will go by those rules. Our community will decide on our own until a national ruleset comes into play. Guaranteed that those rules won't be made for a while after Brawls release.

 

[Gea]

Indeed. you guys are just doing things a bit more "ground up" than most communities seem to be from this point, which I actually admire. I look forward to debating with you.

 

[tw1n]

looking forward to it

Wow... Imagine if they (actual moderators) make the "Official" rules debate page... That thing will grow faster than Gimpyfish's Brawl impressions page...

 

[sync]

It'll give us some time to play and enjoy the game as well. Everyone wants to get through SSE a few times.

 

[tw1n]

Sorry for posting everyy other line but everyone needs to check this out.

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=141977

this adds whole new depth to the game like no one thought possible

 

[sync]

Oh wow. This game is going to take a lot more skill, which is what I was hoping for. Noobs will whine the world over.

They took the damage diminishing system and multiplied it hardcore.

 

[Twin_A]

Its true that we are working from the ground up, by my argument would be why give it melee rules when the game is not melee 2.0

Only time will tell what the future holds gentlemen (and the handful of ladies out there)

 

[DuskMarthWater]

Hmmm...I was thinking about that option as I wrote that post Davis, and yes I know that could happen. I posted that last part for a reason too, who knows? Maybe Final Smashes will make it more exciting trying to avoid them. I do know for a fact, however, that NO ONE is going to be able to avoid Marth's because it is WAY too fast, and that's what I meant about my example. I thought about what might happen if I got hit, and...well, that all depends on who I was playing. But my point with that example was not if I got hit, then obviously that would make things more exciting, but if I hit you. Because if I hit you, game's over BOOM!! Your chance you had of beating me is gone forever. But yes, it is always good to examine from both sides. I chose this side because it's the more unfair of the two. If I got hit with the FS, then you know what? The match would become a whole lot more exciting!! But if I hit you...game's over. Oh...that was fast.

 

[tw1n]

I think Final Smashes would be a blast in a tournament match. It could completely change everything in a match. Yes it may be cheap but it could help out too. Plus Final smashes are a one time thing for each person per match. So its not like you can keep getting hit with them over and over again. If we do it 4 stocks and you get taken out by a FS then what about the other 3 stocks? The only time I could see about there being anger from it is if someone got it when both players were on their last stock and someone got it for the kill. Even then. Tough stuff for the other person who couldn't get to it in time.

Then again. only time will tell right. Maybe it could even be an option the 2 players could decide on right before their matches?

 

[Micahc]

With most people going to 3 stock matches now, loosing a stock is freaking dangerous. Final Smashes just make it even more so. And besides, what happens if the smash ball just happens to float by my Bowser? It just adds too much randomness IMO.

 

[tw1n]

Ha ha I forgot about Bowsers. If Gigabowser kills quickly enough he may be able to get off 2 stocks before his FS is over. But again. We will have to see as we go. Rules will probably be changing rapid fire over the next year or so

 

[Kashakunaki]

Really it all comes down to, "we'll have to see." As for the Gigabowser example, that wouldn't happen. No way you could get two stocks off with that FS unless the other person is ********. For starters, a lot of characters have decent edge stalls. I discovered one myself with Olimar. It's hard to do, but it's kind of cool. After tethering just hit down and up b again really quickly repeatedly. It has an infinite fire fox effect.

Anywho.

Yeah, I got Brawl. I still have some characters and stages to unlock and I'm only like 35% through SSE, but it is awesome. I can tell you right now, though, that New Pork City will be banned.

And as a preemptive defense to all those, "I told you so," people. You're missing the point. The principle of the matter was to try it out. It was given a chance and it failed to pass as opposed to, "This stage doesn't look good, ban it."

It's just way to big for two people. I fought my friend as Ganondorf against his Snake. Omg, he would just plant mines and then cypher away and rinse and repeat. It was horrible. Haha.

 

[tw1n]

ha ha awesome. How good is

Spoiler

Sonic

???!!!

Here's a soon to be banned infinite lol. Falco's lazer with most characters can infinite them. If they hit the ground and don't tech then they are F'd

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwaa_Lt9sqQ

Its been tried and tested in actual matches. No DI can safe you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UTpaKhElhk

And this one is just funny. Watch the end.

 

[Kashakunaki]

Gea asked me to try that out, but I was having too much fun to actually try it.

And Sonic is very good. Just kidding. I have no idea. I just unlocked him. I haven't used him. He doesn't SEEM that great, but I'll have to play him to see.

 

[DuskMarthWater]

Hehehe, having fun Davis? I hope so!!

The game might go to four stock after that thread was made on damage and knockback reduction. That's a very interesting extra...hmmm. It's gonna add a TON to the game.

Yea, only time will tell what the rules will be. Once EVERYONE gets Brawl and everyone's playing all freakin' day, then we can collectively gather and decide the rules. Unless Davis wants to bring everyone over to his house eventually. But the point of this paragraph was: the rules will come with time, once everyone's tried it out for themselves we can decide more easily. I'm not sure about the FS's simply because I haven't used them. That one's a tough call. But again, we shall see.

 

[Alphabravo]

That infinite is astonishing. I wonder if Nintendo will fix that infinite seeing as how people will probably exploit it by using it online against other people. Falco for the win....

 

[tw1n]

Rumors going around say that either 1) They will fix it before it hits America or 2) They will make an online patch... should be interesting.

As for stocks and time limits alot of the matches I've been watching that are 4 stock never seem to peek the 6 minute mark. So its not too much longer then melee

 

[Twin_A]

Then again. only time will tell right. Maybe it could even be an option the 2 players could decide on right before their matches?

That might work. Ban a stage and ban FS. But then you'll always get those people who ban it every time and then those people who get ticked because it was just banned (if its a split decision one bans one doesnt then maybe they would just flip a coin lol.)

 

[tw1n]

It would have to be if one person says no then no FS. if someone bans a stage you can't flip a coin over it ;P