NintenZone Social Thread: Shovel Knight Amiibo Hype Catastrophe (feat. Swamp)

[LIQUID12A]

If he's going to try and fool me he has to at least judge the possibility of a character because he knows them or not

Who's to say he's trying to fool you? For all you know, it's his legitimate opinion, but because you're being blinded by what I can only describe as fanboyism, you ignore the possibility of him simply not knowing anything about the character.

All I know about Bandana Dee is that it's a fat thing with a spear, does that mean I'm playing dumb when saying stuff about the character because LOL I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING?

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

So like I barely come here but just asking, throughout the life of this thread, has it always been about discussing who gets in or not?

No not really.

 

[aldelaro5]

Goombella sure, but I mean the real salty kind who sarcastically ask for a plain goomba. Plain until they try to think of a recovery move that doesn't involve them turning into a paragoomba.

Goombella seems to be the closest the Paper Mario series has to a consistent character though with her trophies in Smash and her text only cameo in Sticker Star

or just put paper mario, but goombella tattles

 

[Soul.]

The ballot ending doesn't affect speculation
Releasing all DLC does

In a perfect world we'd all be discussing competitive Smash and let speculation die

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Well **** you too

See. Now not only petty you're being, you're being rude.

I'm trying to point out how your logic you're using is making you look no better than the guy making the Shovel Knight claims and instead of responding with any sort of class or acknowledgement, you give me this.

I haven't had any issues with you, seriously, but you're not exactly helping your arguments or cases when you handle them this way.

 

[NintenZ]

Okay, now the Smashboards website is reporting on the possibility of Shovel Knight being playable, and it's negative, I mean dislike bar disabled negative. A character like Shovel Knight has no reason to be in Smash, and this has just gotten out of hand.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Who's to say he's trying to fool you? For all you know, it's his legitimate opinion, but because you're being blinded by what I can only describe as fanboyism, you ignore the possibility of him simply not knowing anything about the character.

All I know about Bandana Dee is that it's a fat thing with a spear, does that mean I'm playing dumb when saying stuff about the character because LOL I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING?

I know what Swamp said, but because you guys clearly don't get what the **** I'm trying to say, allow me to explain. He's extremely confident in a character who's kind of a nobody. Then he says 'Don't know, therefore probably not happening' with a different character. THAT'S what I got mad about

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Sorry, Swamp posted before I saw your post.

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

Dis gon b gud

 

[Kenith]

I'm talking about characters from the same series
Midna appeared only in TP
Impa has appeared in OoT, Oos, OoA, SS and ALBW
*sigh*
Being an *** about it certainly won't convince me

Again number of appearances =/= popularity/notoriety

Impa appears in five games, yes, but she has a minor role in all but one. She exists only in the lore of the first two Zelda games, and was a small supporting character in Ocarina of Time and the Oracle games. She doesn't do much, she didn't have an impact until Skyward Sword and Hyrule Warriors (which Midna is also in).

Midna only appears in one canon, Twilight Princess, but she is probably the reason that game is still talked about favorably. It also happens to be one of the best selling Zelda games.
She made a huge impact. She even got a fansite with an initiative to get her in a new game.

Why do you think they chose to reveal Midna alongside Zelda for Hyrule Warriors at last year's E3?
She also had two pieces of merchandise, a figurine and a pricey light-up statue with Wolf Link made by First 4 Figures.
Speaking of Hyrule Warriors, if Impa is so noteworthy how come the new gashapon series for that game doesn't have her? It has Link, Zelda, Ganondorf, and...Lana.

Appearances =/= popularity.

EDIT: Are you referring to me, Swamp?

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I know what Swamp said, but because you guys clearly don't get what the **** I'm trying to say, allow me to explain. He's extremely confident in a character who's kind of a nobody. Then he says 'Don't know, therefore probably not happening' with a different character. THAT'S what I got mad about

If his insider info he's claiming to has tells him that character is in, of course he's going to be confident about it.

But Bandana Dee also isn't exactly a character to get uppity about either.

It's very common for someone to have insider info about something but not know everything about that something or company.

I can recall games past for franchises like Street Fighter, etc, where the leaker was truthful, but didn't know certain characters when asked about them, and that's all people are trying to get across to you.

 

[LIQUID12A]

I know what Swamp said, but because you guys clearly don't get what the **** I'm trying to say, allow me to explain. He's extremely confident in a character who's kind of a nobody. Then he says 'Don't know, therefore probably not happening' with a different character. THAT'S what I got mad about

Regardless of whether it's true or not, there's a logical explanation.

Tamaki can be confident about a nobody because he supposedly has insider information. If he had insider information on any other character, then he'd say it like he is now. The difference is that the character he supposedly has information on is a perceived nobody. And really, a lot of people say "lol not happening" with characters they don't know or don't care about, this isn't a stigma unique to Tamaki.

Now, whether you get mad about it or not is ultimately your problem and something I can't change.

 

[Luigi The President]

The ballot ending doesn't affect speculation
Releasing all DLC does

>Wanted Ridley pre release
>Didn't want but got Palutena and Dark Pit
Yeah, I know how salt tastes like and you're full of it

I never said I wasn't salty? Lol. I said I had a right to be.
Also Paper Mario isn't too big

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Oh for ****s sake, if Takami's inside info is wrong, he'll delete the tweets and everything again, when was the last time that guy got something right?

 

[Tree Gelbman]

She also had two pieces of merchandise, a figurine and a pricey light-up statue with Wolf Link made by First 4 Figures.
Speaking of Hyrule Warriors, if Impa is so noteworthy how come the new gashapon series for that game doesn't have her? It has Link, Zelda, Ganondorf, and...Lana.

Well, you do have to realize Link, Zelda and Ganondorf are the three main characters of the franchise Hyrule Warriors is a spin-off of and Lana is the key new character created for it.

So that makes sense in a marketing way and has nothing to do with Impa, Midna, or literally anyone else in the game.

 

[Soul.]

The only thing I don't understand is the overwhelming negativity people always have for a character's inclusion to a game, not just Shovel Knight, but every single character.

 

[SuperSegaSonicSS]

Comes home.

Reads online.

Shovel Knight for smash.

Looks at picture of Ridley

Slowly strokes picture.

Looks at calendar.

August 26th.

Is my birthday.

A tear drips from my eye

Happy Birthday to you, may you have a good one.

 

[LIQUID12A]

The only thing I don't understand is the overwhelming negativity people always have for a character's inclusion to a game; not just Shovel Knight, but every single character.

Simple.

Not the character they want. You literally need nothing else said.

 

[Deleted member]

Again number of appearances =/= popularity/notoriety

Impa appears in five games, yes, but she has a minor role in all but one. She exists only in the lore of the first two Zelda games, and was a small supporting character in Ocarina of Time and the Oracle games. She doesn't do much, she didn't have an impact until Skyward Sword and Hyrule Warriors (which Midna is also in).

Midna only appears in one canon, Twilight Princess, but she is probably the reason that game is still talked about favorably. It also happens to be one of the best selling Zelda games.
She made a huge impact. She even got a fansite with an initiative to get her in a new game.

Why do you think they chose to reveal Midna alongside Zelda for Hyrule Warriors at last year's E3?
She also had two pieces of merchandise, a figurine and a pricey light-up statue with Wolf Link made by First 4 Figures.
Speaking of Hyrule Warriors, if Impa is so noteworthy how come the new gashapon series for that game doesn't have her? It has Link, Zelda, Ganondorf, and...Lana.

Appearances =/= popularity.

EDIT: Are you referring to me, Swamp?

See? Not so hard to argue
Points taken but
You're seriously using HW as an argument?
When Impa was the first character announced to be playable after Link?
And along the Triforce Trio to get a redesign?
HW helps Midna as much as it does to Ghirahim

 

[Champ Gold]

We are literally arguing over an "informant's" prediction/rumor over a character who probably has a limited chance of getting in Smash and everyone is just getting warnings and bans.


**** Tamaki, he should just keep his mouth shut sometimes with his arrogance and delusional people are gonna get ploy into believing it because he has sources

'Sources' that we have to give him credit for, Push already pointed out his crap and this has gone over the top, he was straight playing around yesterday and now we should take him seriously. I'm done

 

[Luigi The President]

Also happy birthday Conorr and DarkAura

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

The only thing I don't understand is the overwhelming negativity people always have for a character's inclusion to a game, not just Shovel Knight, but every single character.

Because they are salty that their character they support won't get in.

Like, I've seen people who were salty af at 's inclusion

 

[Chrono.]

The only thing I don't understand is the overwhelming negativity people always have for a character's inclusion to a game, not just Shovel Knight, but every single character.

No place on the internet is a hivemind, you'll find different opinions everywhere.

Sometimes the negatives may look like they over weigh the positives, but it's all part of a very vocal minority.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

So are we just taking it at his word that he has multiple sources? IF there were multiple sources you'd think they'd have talked to someone else.


And to think for so long we wanted a rumor/link to discuss.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

While he's an ass and has been wrong, I can't help but feel if he had said anyone but Shovel Knight, hell even Shantae, people would be all up in his grill, praising him and his sources.

You can play like your only angry about his attitude, but some of this is salt about the character he eith chose to say is coming or unlikely but potentially true information that someone you didn't want is coming.

This wouldn't really be happening nearly as badly or negatively if he had said ''Ridley" or ''K.Rool" or ''Dixie." or ''Toad", etc.

 

[NintenZ]

The only thing I don't understand is the overwhelming negativity people always have for a character's inclusion to a game, not just Shovel Knight, but every single character.

There are many different reasons. They tend to vary from time to time.

 

[Starlight_Lily]

Everyone knows Impa
She's in almost every Zelda game since OoT
Even if not by her "young ninja" appearences, she's still known at least as "exposition old lady"
Midna has almost no notoriety, appearing in only one game doesn't help her
Also, don't compare Midna and Furry lady to the cinnamon roll
Isabelle is far more relevant and recognizable in every single aspect

Salt in person

Impa maybe known by every Zelda fan, but she really isn't anyone's favourite like Midna is.
Are you counting cameos and references as well? Cause she's only been in 4 more canon Zelda games after OoT, those being Oracle of Ages, Oracle of Season, Skyward Sword and A Link Between Worlds.
Midna is still really popular with Zelda fans, since they want to see her again. Also she is pretty important to Twilight Princess' story.
Midna was a breakout character for Twilight Princess, and Isabelle was a breakout character for Animal Crossing New Leaf, sorry mate but they can be compared to each other. And well Krystal is a whole different ball game, but she is at least as well known as Wolf in the Starfox community
Yeah sure bring in the fact Isabelle introduces a new mechanic to Animal Crossing, while Midna is a part of the partner system in Zelda that has Link get new partners every game, to help them fit into the games narrative. Not really fair to use that against Midna is it.

 

[Kenith]

Points taken but
You're seriously using HW as an argument?
When Impa was the first character announced to be playable after Link?
And along the Triforce Trio to get a redesign?
HW helps Midna as much as it does to Ghirahim

What's wrong with me using Hyrule Warriors as an argument? Would you prefer I dismiss it? Because you do realize that is where a large fraction of Impa's popularity comes from?
Yes, she was announced after Link, but she was not announced at E3. She wasn't hyped up.

See? Not so hard to argue

This kind of reply is why I don't like to argue.
I'm done. You want to argue over nothing some one, PM me. I came here to discuss the Shovel Knight rumour, not get wrapped up defending the characters I like. >.>

 

[Chandeelure]

All I know about Bandana Dee is that it's a fat thing with a spear, does that mean I'm playing dumb when saying stuff about the character because LOL I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING?

He is not fat, he is big boned!

 

[Soul.]

Not wanting the character is fine, but it's been proven that you can't please everyone even if the roster has, hypothetically, a million characters.

And I don't mean to enter the typical argumentative phase as I don't really bother with character speculation, even if there are experts on this thing. Opinions are opinions, though. I guess.

 

[Substitution]

You know, I always thought Waddle Dee was some kind of mutated marshmallow given life. It'd explain why Kirby is the homicidal omnivore he is. He can't stop. To him, they're a marshmallow, sugar filled addiction.

 

[Deleted member]

While he's an *** and has been wrong, I can't help but feel if he had said anyone but Shovel Knight, hell even Shantae, people would be all up in his grill, praising him and his sources.

You can play like your only angry about his attitude, but some of this is salt about the character he eith chose to say is coming or unlikely but potentially true information that someone you didn't want is coming.

This wouldn't really be happening nearly as badly or negatively if he had said ''Ridley" or ''K.Rool" or ''Dixie." or ''Toad", etc.

This can be proven with Mii Costumes
Inkling Mii Costumes? Deconfirmed!
K. Rool Mii Kostume? HE STILL HAS A CHANCE GAIZ!!1!

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Impa maybe known by every Zelda fan, but she really isn't anyone's favourite like Midna is.

Speaking in such broad strokes is not wise.

For she is far more a favorite of mine than Midna and I say that as someone who likes Midna as well.

Also @ would like words with you.

 

[Luigi The President]

What is all this with Waddle Dee though

 

[Chrono.]

There's not a lot to say about this imo.

This isn't even a "leak", it's just one guy's word with a lot of vague connotations to it.

So far the most interesting thing has been that quote @Wintropy relayed a couple pages back.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

What is all this with Waddle Dee though

I don't know we've go three different arguments going on at once. One about Shovel Knight, one about Impa and one about BD. I'm los at this point.

 

[Amiiben]

Tamaki is talking to YachtClubGames right now

 

[True Blue Warrior]

While he's an *** and has been wrong, I can't help but feel if he had said anyone but Shovel Knight, hell even Shantae, people would be all up in his grill, praising him and his sources.

You can play like your only angry about his attitude, but some of this is salt about the character he eith chose to say is coming or unlikely but potentially true information that someone you didn't want is coming.

This wouldn't really be happening nearly as badly or negatively if he had said ''Ridley" or ''K.Rool" or ''Dixie." or ''Toad", etc.

Well, to be fair, all of those characters are more believable as DLC than a third-party character who is just "any third-party character" despite Sakurai explicitly saying he won't choose just any third-party characters. And yes, the only time he explicitly changed his mind on characters so far was . Every other instance of Sakurai "changing" his mind was just fans misinterpreting what he was really saying in the first place.

This can be proven with Mii Costumes
Inkling Mii Costumes? Deconfirmed!
K. Rool Mii Kostume? HE STILL HAS A CHANCE GAIZ!!1!

There were still plenty of people who did, and still do, believe they could make it in as Smash DLC. It's just that most people think they are more likely to be saved for Smash 5.

 

[TheAnvil]

Not wanting the character is fine, but it's been proven that you can't please everyone even if the roster has, hypothetically, a million characters.

And I don't mean to enter the typical argumentative phase as I don't really bother with character speculation, even if there are experts on this thing. Opinions are opinions, though. I guess.

I'd say in this scenario that people have a right to be pissed off (if Shovel Knight is in fact in).

This is a Nintendo cross over, and it's been explicitly stated multiple times, with no room for mistranslations or errors that Sakurai will not just add "any" guest character. So why wouldn't people be pissed off if they don't want a random GUEST character?

 

[AreJay25]

Before I forget, happy birthday @DarkAura64.