NintenZone Social Thread: Shovel Knight Amiibo Hype Catastrophe (feat. Swamp)

[Cutie Gwen]

I have the biggest urge to listen to Guile's theme. Time to go home and be a family man. Wait what?

 

[redroses]

Geno is popular than SMRPG itself he didn't really need to be the main character to be popular, all what he needed is the huge fans that exploded around the internet, what you see from Shantae today is not even close of what happend to Geno in brawl days because of how huge he was back then and not to mention Geno has appeared worldwide and that's include japan.

someone asked back in brawl days of how Geno became very popular so the other guy said:

Spoiler

"Super Mario RPG was an awesome game and still to this day one the best and most imagative Mario games ever made. It had many firsts for not only the Mario franchise but for Nintendo as well and thus in many aspects was a revolutionary game. The appeal of the game really comes from how it went in a completely different direction then other Mario games and in the process created a very memorable experience and even more memorable characters. Geno was one of these characters.

Geno's appeal comes from the fact that he's so radically different from other Mario characters. He's essentially a wooden doll that has the artillary of a small army but is still wise, collected, and humble, characteristics that are rarely seen in the Mario games or shown in a cliche manner. In Super Mario RPG, he was the equivalent of Midna in Twilight Princess or Colette in Tales of Symphonia, not the main character but was basically the main character in terms of plot. Unlike the other characters, Geno was the only one that was directly involved with the games plot from beginning to end and even within the game itself, was often set aside from the others as a very unique character. Obviously, this is yet another characteristic that has not been seen in a Mario game since then.

Geno's fanbase has been around since 1996 and, believe me, they have been very vocal in trying to bring him back in some form. For example, in 2006, smrpglegacy.com was able to sent Nintendo a petition that had over 21,000 signatures on it demanding a remake or sequel to SMRPG. This push also comes from the fact that many people consider SMRPG to be by far the most underrated Mario game and Nintendo has even reflected this by not releasing a true sequel or even a simple port. Geno's fanbase has become more active in recent years"

Yes, that was back then, now it's a different story.
He is by far not as popular anymore as he was back then.
All I am trying to say is, some side character that appeared in one game won't be as popular as the main character from several franchises in the end.
Geno fandom always seemed like a few very loud people that acted like he is more popular than he truly is.

I don't want Geno or Shantae in smash just for your information, just trying to make a point.

Edit: Today is not a day for me to post in forums. No idea how that second spoiler box happened.

 

[Burb]

I remember her from 2002. I have the GBC cart and everything.

I still contest that Shovel Knight is more ridiculous than Shantae (although Shantae is pretty ridiculous) and deserves the Geno title more then her. Dude's only been in one game, and it's multiplat. I swear most of his support comes from people that liked the Smashified render. He also consistently rates higher then Shantea on polls.

Shantae is far more popular as far as forum support goes. And that's what I'm talking about: a legion of loud fans who exaggerate the hell out of a no-name character's chances and popularity, and take literally everything as a hint at Smash inclusion.

It's not about obscure no shot characters with a fanbase. It's about obscure no shot characters with an extremely vocal fanbase and overrated chances.

 

[Geno Boost]

maybe thats true! wich is why King K. Rool was too slow to take a seat.

[/spoiler]

Yes, that was back then, now it's a different story.
He is by far not as popular anymore as he was back then.
All I am trying to say is, some side character that appeared in one game won't be as popular as the main character from several franchises in the end.
Geno fandom always seemed like a few very loud people that acted like he is more popular than he truly is.

I don't want Geno or Shantae in smash just for your information, just trying to make a point.

Edit: Today is not a day for me to post in forums. No idea how that second spoiler box happened.

ok then. but i still disagree about Shantae being popular than Geno.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Death Battle just rid DK VS Knuckles. The bias is strong in the preview and DK looks ugly as ****

 

[epicmartin7]

So a Nintendo Direct hasn't been announced yet...

 

[Burb]

Bowser Jr was the main villain of at least Mario Sunshine and Galaxy 2. I don't think you could call him a secondary antagonist in so many words. Not like a Lord Frederick or a Wart.

Toad is a staple of Mario though. His face has been slapped on pretty much every form of merchandise you could name.

Mario-Luigi-Bowser-Yoshi-Peach-Toad.

Those are the main Mario characters. Wario, Bowser Jr, Rosalina, Waluigi, Boo etc are secondary to them.

I honestly think Captain Toad would be the best way to go though.

He was the main villain of New Super Mario Bros; and was even the de facto King of the Koopas for the majority of the game due to Bowser outright dying at the start.

 

[PushDustIn]

@ redroses you mixed up the order for the spoiler and the quote ending tag. I fixed it for you .
Think of it like this:

A - quote
B - spoiler
B -spoiler
A - quote

You had ABAB so a spoiler tag was trying to close a quote tag (if that makes sense) which is why the post glitched out.


I interviewed Brendon Wilson from SSB4Dojo.com

He was pretty active with researching leaks/speculation scene (and still is)...and he organized a lot of the leak information, so I wanted to interview him. Let me know what you think!

 

[Burb]

maybe thats true! wich is why King K. Rool was too slow to take a seat.

Forget about being too slow, look at those flimsy little chairs.

There's no way those could support the weight of a big guy like K. Rool. They'd shatter the second he sits down.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Forget about being too slow, look at those flimsy little chairs.

There's no way those could support the weight of a big guy like K. Rool. They'd shatter the second he sits down.

So THAT'S why he isn't playable!

but i still disagree about Shantae being popular than Geno.

You can disagree with facts? Off to get a free gaming PC as I disagree with the fact price tags exist

 

[SuperMii3D]

Umm I don't really get what your saying here, Bowser Jr is always going to be a boss in RPG Mario games and platformers, since he's one of the villians and all, he'll never be playable outside of spin-offs. Pretty much the same with Bowser, he'll never be playable in a main Mario platformer.

Whoops, I was trying to say that Toad has become much more relevant nowadays, and he is easily recognized by many. Bowser Jr on the other hand has yet to see another game ever since New U (Yes, I know it hasnt been that long) Still, during that time, Toad has had 2 major playable appearance those being 3D World and Treasure Tracker.

 

[Starlight_Lily]

Death Battle just rid DK VS Knuckles. The bias is strong in the preview and DK looks ugly as ****

I don't really like death battle anymore, if you look at the Mario VS Sonic and Luigi vs Tails fight, it becomes clear they aren't pulling from Mario and Sonic's main canons, so the out comes of those fights and how they won don't really work when you think about it.

Also you just need to look at their remake of the Boba Fett vs Samus fight, why the crap is Samus' electric whip acting like a lightsaber, when that's not how its supposed to act

Whoops, I was trying to say that Toad has become much more relevant nowadays, and he is easily recognized by many. Bowser Jr on the other hand has yet to see another game ever since New U (Yes, I know it hasnt been that long) Still, during that time, Toad has had 2 major playable appearance those being 3D World and Treasure Tracker.

Spoiler

Bowser Jr appears in Paper Mario Sticker Star and Mario & Luigi Dream Team in secret boss fights. So he has had appearances outside of U

 

[Geno Boost]

So THAT'S why he isn't playable!

You can disagree with facts? Off to get a free gaming PC as I disagree with the fact price tags exist

its not a fact i have seen way more things about Geno in the internet in brawl days than what i see from Shantae now, she wasnt huge as Geno, even some videos have millions of views.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Death Battle just rid DK VS Knuckles. The bias is strong in the preview and DK looks ugly as ****

Not to mention that Knuckles is only a moron in non-canon sources.

 

[Schnee117]

Also you just need to look at their remake of the Boba Fett vs Samus fight, why the crap is Samus' electric whip acting like a lightsaber, when that's not how its supposed to act

That episode was a tribute to Monty Oum where Samus took inspiration from Haloid.

 

[SuperMii3D]

its not a fact i have seen way more things about Geno in the internet in brawl days than what i see from Shantae now, she wasnt huge as Geno, even some videos have millions of views.

Well, the thing is its not Brawl days anymore. Geno's relevance has fallen through the floor. Shantae has gained 2 new games since then, which is giving her some new supporters.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I don't really like death battle anymore, if you look at the Mario VS Sonic and Luigi vs Tails fight, it becomes clear they aren't pulling from Mario and Sonic's main canons, so the out comes of those fights and how they won don't really work when you think about it.

Also you just need to look at their remake of the Boba Fett vs Samus fight, why the crap is Samus' electric whip acting like a lightsaber, when that's not how its supposed to act

Spoiler

Bowser Jr appears in Paper Mario Sticker Star and Mario & Luigi Dream Team in secret boss fights. So he has had appearances outside of U

Monty Oum was mentioned but there's another thing. It was a remastering, not a remake, therefore the result wouldn't have changed

 

[Guybrush20X6]

The main difference between Shantae and Geno in her favor is Square is one of the cagiest devs ever. Look at all the fan games they've terminated.

 

[epicmartin7]

What's a Geno?

 

[Champ Gold]

Death Battle just rid DK VS Knuckles. The bias is strong in the preview and DK looks ugly as ****

Let's be honest here, Sonic and Tails beat Mario and Luigi. They had to give the other side something

It why they went with Knuckles vs DK instead of Knuckles vs Wario where Knuckles would have atleast had an advantage.


I still want Megaman vs Astro Boy, Lucario vs Renamon and Sora vs Shulk for anime bull****

 

[Starlight_Lily]

Yep, am watching Death Battle right now, and I can tell they not using canon Knuckles and DK to the games, this is not going to be accurate at all

 

[Geno Boost]

Well, the thing is its not Brawl days anymore. Geno's relevance has fallen through the floor. Shantae has gained 2 new games since then, which is giving her some new supporters.

The meaning of popular is being recognizable, Geno is still popular as long as people who saw him didn't die and the fact that he was huge at that time doesn't mean people doesn't know him anymore and got brainwashed
for example lion king movie was huge in the past but it's not anymore and people doesn't talk about it, does that mean it's not popular and not recognizable? No

 

[Starlight_Lily]

Let's be honest here, Sonic and Tails beat Mario and Luigi. They had to give the other side something

It why they went with Knuckles vs DK instead of Knuckles vs Wario where Knuckles would have atleast had an advantage.


I still want Megaman vs Astro Boy, Lucario vs Renamon and Sora vs Shulk for anime bull****

Yeah but its clear they have a Sonic biased in Mario VS Sonic and Luigi vs Tails, since when Mario's mega mushroom ran out, he became confused, despite that's not what happens when the power up runs out, as well as the way Sonic winning is complete bull****, how does a uncharged spin attack kill Mario, when he's taken hits from things with harder force and sharper obects then Sonic's spines.

Monty Oum was mentioned but there's another thing. It was a remastering, not a remake, therefore the result wouldn't have changed

Doesn't change the fact that's not how Samus' electric whip works

 

[TheAnvil]

What's a Geno?

 

[Schnee117]

Doesn't change the fact that's not how Samus' electric whip works

And you're missing the whole point of Samus vs Boba Fett being remastered. It was a tribute to Monty Oum who made Haloid. That's where Samus' Paralyser functioned like a Lightsaber. Did you not watch the part at the end after Chuck vs Segata was announced?

 

[Starlight_Lily]

The meaning of popular is being recognizable, Geno is still popular as long as people who saw him didn't die and the fact that he was huge at that time doesn't mean people doesn't know him anymore and got brainwashed
for example lion king movie was huge in the past but it's not anymore and people doesn't talk about it, does that mean it's not popular and not recognizable? No

Just so yo know Shantae is going to be more recognised worldwide since she has released in all regions at least, where as the game Geno is in didn't come to Europe until after Brawl, and on the Wii VC and not everyone in Europe used the VC on the Wii.

 

[DoodleDuck97]

Forget about being too slow, look at those flimsy little chairs.

There's no way those could support the weight of a big guy like K. Rool. They'd shatter the second he sits down.

This also explains Ridley too

 

[Champ Gold]

@KenithTheGatherer and everyone else. Get freaking hype

REmake 2 IS HAPPENING

 

[Starlight_Lily]

And you're missing the whole point of Samus vs Boba Fett being remastered. It was a tribute to Monty Oum who made Haloid. That's where Samus' Paralyser functioned like a Lightsaber. Did you not watch the part at the end after Chuck vs Segata was announced?

It being a tribute is fine, but Death Battle is still supposed to pull from official material. So my criticism can still stand.

 

[Huarbolo]

I need some quick feedback, alright so I almost fully convinced my parents to buy me Splatoon, but I was wondering, should I buy a Wii U Pro Controller, or stick with Gamepad? Also is the Wii U Pro Controller Wireless?

 

[TheAnvil]

Neither Shantae or Geno are ever going to be in Smash. So arguing about which one is more likely is pretty silly.

That said, Shantae is at least the star of her series. IF they were going to add a Shantae character, it would be her. If they were going to add another Mario character then Geno wouldn't even get mentioned.

I need some quick feedback, alright so I almost fully convinced my parents to buy me Splatoon, but I was wondering, should I buy a Wii U Pro Controller, or stick with Gamepad? Also is the Wii U Pro Controller Wireless?

The gamepad is fine for Splatoon. I just turn off the gyro controls and it's perfect.

@KenithTheGatherer and everyone else. Get freaking hype

REmake 2 IS HAPPENING

This is great news. RE2 is a masterpiece.

Hopefully we see a NX release.

 

[Geno Boost]

Just so yo know Shantae is going to be more recognised worldwide since she has released in all regions at least, where as the game Geno is in didn't come to Europe until after Brawl, and on the Wii VC and not everyone in Europe used the VC on the Wii.

you dont get it, the internet is way bigger than the wiiu/wii owners wich Geno was bigger than Shantae and makes him more recognizable and popular plus he has been here since 1995.

 

[egaddmario]

I need some quick feedback, alright so I almost fully convinced my parents to buy me Splatoon, but I was wondering, should I buy a Wii U Pro Controller, or stick with Gamepad? Also is the Wii U Pro Controller Wireless?

Stick with the gamepad. Try the game with the gyro controls and if you don't like them, you can turn them off.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

The meaning of popular is being recognizable, Geno is still popular as long as people who saw him didn't die and the fact that he was huge at that time doesn't mean people doesn't know him anymore and got brainwashed
for example lion king movie was huge in the past but it's not anymore and people doesn't talk about it, does that mean it's not popular and not recognizable? No

Dude Lion King is a ****ing classic that everyone has to watch in their lifetime, it's one of Disney's most wellknown movies!

@KenithTheGatherer and everyone else. Get freaking hype

REmake 2 IS HAPPENING

Didn't Capcom ask fans if they wanted this? I'm proud of them

 

[AreJay25]

Capcom has been making some good decisions lately. Let's keep it that way.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Capcom has been making some good decisions lately. Let's keep it that way.

I hope they decide to bring Mega Man Universe back from the dead

you dont get it, the internet is way bigger than the wiiu/wii owners wich Geno was bigger than Shantae and makes him more recognizable and popular plus he has been here since 1995.

Wait, so Geno's more recognizable and popular because he's on the internet? Let's ignore how Shantae actually has her own games which are all critically acclaimed and the fact that, oh I don't know, Shantae exists on the internet too

 

[Champ Gold]

The meaning of popular is being recognizable, Geno is still popular as long as people who saw him didn't die and the fact that he was huge at that time doesn't mean people doesn't know him anymore and got brainwashed
for example lion king movie was huge in the past but it's not anymore and people doesn't talk about it, does that mean it's not popular and not recognizable? No

Are you implying the Lion King was a product of its time.

You crazy kid, that movie is STILL regarded. Just because it isn't plastered all over mainstream Disney media doesn't mean it isn't memorable and regarded.

Don't you ever do that to last great and regarded 2D animated film. There's a reason the play still goes on in NYC.

 

[Starlight_Lily]

Yeah just finished watching Death Battle, fights fine, still isn't accurate though. Also @ Cutie Gwen your right that DK sprite is ugly.

you dont get it, the internet is way bigger than the wiiu/wii owners wich Geno was bigger than Shantae and makes him more recognizable and popular plus he has been here since 1995.

I'm going let you know about something dude, most of Europe doesn't speak English, so Geno being well known on American sites that has users from Europe, still isn't going to change the fact Shantae is going to be recognised by Europeans, since she had her games released and translated into those languages, so more people will be more familiar with her, simply because they have her game in their language. Also when Europe found out about SMRPG, we didn't want it because of Geno, we wanted it because its Mario as RPG having been made by Squaresoft, who made Final Fantasy, that made a lot of see the game has being an awesome blend between Platformers and RPGs

 

[TheAnvil]

Capcom need to start making games again. They've barely made any non-remake/rehash games for years now.

 

[Schnee117]

TftB Episode 4 on the 18th.

Spoiler

BUTTSTALLION HYPE!