NintenZone Social Thread: Shovel Knight Amiibo Hype Catastrophe (feat. Swamp)

[Naoshi]

A lot of people in thread seem to think its the case now. :s
You mind helping me with the debate there.

Assuming you're talking about I think what you're talking about.

We have costumes of the likes of Mega Man.EXE, X. Both of which hasn't seen their own game for a longer time than Classic Mega Man. (MMX8 was 2005, MMBN6 was 2006). And we have Virtua Fighter and Fighting Vipers, both of which are very irrelevant to Nintendo.

 

[Con0rrrr]

Can I just say I missed being here with ya'll. I really do like most of you, even if we argue.

Changed my avatar to relive old memories. Been going through some rough times this last month and it's good to be back discussing my favorite game series with everyone

 

[BluePikmin11]

Irrelevance in its entirety, it's flawed of course with the VC releases.
But irrelevance within the mainline games, I think that's the problem he has with getting in the game as a character.

Assuming you're talking about I think what you're talking about.

We have costumes of the likes of Mega Man.EXE, X. Both of which hasn't seen their own game for a longer time than Classic Mega Man. (MMX8 was 2005, MMBN6 was 2006). And we have Virtua Fighter and Fighting Vipers, both of which are very irrelevant to Nintendo.

I get that, but I think relevance doesn't apply to Mii costumes in my opinion.

 

[WeirdJoe27]

Anyone find it odd that the official Nintendo of America account has still not mentioned the announced Smash update yet? Also, since the Japanese site lists the update as going live on the 31st, wouldn't that be tomorrow for the US? It's currently early morning, July 30, in Japan. Tomorrow morning in the US will be July 31st in Japan.

 

[Naoshi]

Anyone find it odd that the official Nintendo of America account has still not mentioned the announced Smash update yet? Also, since the Japanese site lists the update as going live on the 31st, wouldn't that be tomorrow for the US? It's currently early morning, July 30, in Japan. Tomorrow morning in the US will be July 31st in Japan.

K Rool costume exclusive to Japan. K Rool character exclusive to US/EU!

:^)

 

[Luigi The President]

That's sorta like a weaker version of the "No, that's Other M Ridley. Ridley's chances are not hurt at all" argument.

But that argument holds even less weight because all K Rool's are the same. While the Ridley argument I brought up is a weak one, it at least has the whole "There's 2 Ridleys" thing going for it.

The reason no one is listening is likely because that argument has no weight to it.

But why not use his most recent design if you make a Mii Fighter? The recent design's not even criticzied.
I'm not saying the costume confirms him, infact I agree it may actually deconfirm him, but hey.

 

[Wintropy]

Irrelevance in its entirety, it's flawed of course with the VC releases.
But irrelevance within the mainline games, I think that's the problem he has with getting in the game as a character.

Here's a tip for you, sweetheart:

1. Go to the K. Rool thread.
2. Go to the first page.
3. Read the OP.
4. Inform yourself.

Your baseless citation of relevance as a huge factor does nothing to substantiate your claims.

 

[Luigi The President]

Here's a tip for you, sweetheart:

1. Go to the K. Rool thread.
2. Go to the first page.
3. Read the OP.
4. Inform yourself.

Your baseless citation of relevance as a huge factor does nothing to substantiate your claims.

This is one of the most condescending messages I've seen

 

[epicmartin7]

Even though there are some really compelling arguments against the Dr. Mario leak. I'm going to have to go with #TeamReal. This mainly do to my personal bias .

 

[Wintropy]

This is one of the most condescending messages I've seen

I am sorry if I came across as blithe, but the amount of times I've seen people trying to debate with @ BluePikmin11 about his opinions has made me quite stoic to the whole thing.

I stand by what I said, though: if @ BluePikmin11 wants to substantiate his claims, then I will take them seriously. Until then, I can't in all good faith feel comfortable validating his opinion as anything more than rehashing a tired argument that has been debunked many times in plain view for all to inform themselves of.

Incidentally:

CONDESCENDING

Hi, I'm Wintropy, have we met? :3

 

[Luigi The President]

I am sorry if I came across as blithe, but the amount of times I've seen people trying to debate with @ BluePikmin11 about his opinions has made me quite stoic to the whole thing.

I stand by what I said, though: if @ BluePikmin11 wants to substantiate his claims, then I will take them seriously. Until then, I can't in all good faith feel comfortable validating his opinion as anything more than rehashing a tired argument that has been debunked many times in plain view for all to inform themselves of.

Incidentally:



Hi, I'm Wintropy, have we met? :3

No, we haven't, and I don't know why you think being pointlessly rude is a good thing.

But on another note, I suppose you're right aboutt he substant thing.

 

[Rosalinatehplumber]

On the smash bros website, there's nothing mention about the new content.

 

[Deleted member]

And how is it?

Because it's baseless and arbitrary logic.

Why don't you explain how K. Rool's costume being that of his klassic RARE LTD. design makes any sort of difference before claiming that the costume definitely means nothing?

It's as Connor said, it's the same kind of logic as the "Only Other M Ridley is disconfirmed; Ridley still has a chance using his Brawl design!" that was used after the 50 Facts Extravaganza.
It's grasping at straws and obviously a result of denial.

 

[Chrono.]

K Rool costume exclusive to Japan. K Rool character exclusive to US/EU!

:^)

Sakurai pulling a Harada.

 

[Wintropy]

No, we haven't, and I don't know why you think being pointlessly rude is a good thing.

I don't think I was rude. I was making a sincere suggestion.

I didn't mean "sweetheart" condescendingly. I call everybody sweetheart. I was trying to help. Sorry if you didn't understand that, it wasn't my intention to come off as harsh.

 

[Luigi The President]

Because it's baseless and arbitrary logic.

Why don't you explain how K. Rool's costume being that of his klassic RARE LTD. design makes any sort of difference before claiming that the costume definitely means nothing?

It's as Connor said, it's the same kind of logic as the "Only Other M Ridley is disconfirmed; Ridley still has a chance using his Brawl design!"
It's grasping at straws and obviously a result of denial.

You are correct. It is grasping at complete straws.

 

[Con0rrrr]

But why not use his most recent design if you make a Mii Fighter? The recent design's not even criticzied.
I'm not saying the costume confirms him, infact I agree it may actually deconfirm him, but hey.

Let me re-direct the question. Why do you consider which appearance is used as such a large factor in determining his probability?

Here's a tip for you, sweetheart:

1. Go to the K. Rool thread.
2. Go to the first page.
3. Read the OP.
4. Inform yourself.

Your baseless citation of relevance as a huge factor does nothing to substantiate your claims.

Okay people. We need to stop beating around the bush. I get that there's ways to spin stuff to make him seem more relevant than eh is. But please stop fooling yourselves.

Yes, he's loved. But he's not as relevant as Dixie, Mario, Zelda, hell, even Ness is more recognizable to people today than K Rool. And before you tell me I'm crazy for saying that. Honestly consider something. Ness is known for Smash Bros more than he is Earthbound. Many characters are more well known for being in Smash than their original games.

K Rool is loved. K Rool is a great character. But stop trying to beat around the bush with his relevancy. If you went around and asked people on the street who K Rool is, barely anyone could tell you.

He's loved and remembered by a specific group of people is my point. He's not this icon that people seem to think he still is.

 

[Deleted member]

Let's all have a group hug.

 

[Kenith]

No, we haven't, and I don't know why you think being pointlessly rude is a good thing.

Deja vu.
Win is the least rude person on this entire forum, you are probably misinterpreting.

 

[Luigi The President]

Let me re-direct the question. Why do you consider which appearance is used as such a large factor in determining his probability?



Okay people. We need to stop beating around the bush. I get that there's ways to spin stuff to make him seem more relevant than eh is. But please stop fooling yourselves.

Yes, he's loved. But he's not as relevant as Dixie, Mario, Zelda, hell, even Ness is more recognizable to people today than K Rool. And before you tell me I'm crazy for saying that. Honestly consider something. Ness is known for Smash Bros more than he is Earthbound. Many characters are more well known for being in Smash than their original games.

K Rool is loved. K Rool is a great character. But stop trying to beat around the bush with his relevancy. If you went around and asked people on the street who K Rool is, barely anyone could tell you.

He's loved and remembered by a specific group of people is my point. He's not this icon that people seem to think he still is.

Man, I just know I'm not getting Paper Mario, I just want this.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I think you're misinterpreting what I said there, buddy.

The K. Rool costume dismantles the "relevancy" argument because it demonstrates that K. Rool has a substantial role (i.e. something more than a token tribute like a sticker or trophy) in a recent title.

Beyond that, it's based on his Rare design, a motif which has been absent from everything for 14 years.

I never said "he's a shoo-in 'cos he's relevant now".

I said "this demonstrates that Nintendo does consider K. Rool (do recall: Rare-era K. Rool) a character with considerable fan demand".

Get your facts straight before you get on your high horse.

It's a recent title sure but it's not a new major title of DKC to consider K. Rool truly relevant like Dixie Kong for example. I'm not here to be on a high horse I'm just debating that the case of relevancy may not apply to Mii costumes.

Here's a tip for you, sweetheart:

1. Go to the K. Rool thread.
2. Go to the first page.
3. Read the OP.
4. Inform yourself.

Your baseless citation of relevance as a huge factor does nothing to substantiate your claims.

Baseless? I have Sakurai's evidence here to say it could be a problem for K. Rool:
http://www.sourcegaming.info/2015/07/10/sakurai-didnt-say-that/

Also, characters and series that have no plans for future releases, or a low possibility of future releases, inevitably will be considered lower priority.

Things said by Sakurai that he said were part of his decisions in choosing newcomers.

 

[Luigi The President]

Deja vu.
Win is the least rude person on this entire forum, you are probably misinterpreting.

Yes, I most likely am completely misinterpreting. I'm sorry.

 

[Wintropy]

Okay people. We need to stop beating around the bush. I get that there's ways to spin stuff to make him seem more relevant than eh is. But please stop fooling yourselves.

Yes, he's loved. But he's not as relevant as Dixie, Mario, Zelda, hell, even Ness is more recognizable to people today than K Rool. And before you tell me I'm crazy for saying that. Honestly consider something. Ness is known for Smash Bros more than he is Earthbound. Many characters are more well known for being in Smash than their original games.

K Rool is loved. K Rool is a great character. But stop trying to beat around the bush with his relevancy. If you went around and asked people on the street who K Rool is, barely anyone could tell you.

He's loved and remembered by a specific group of people is my point. He's not this icon that people seem to think he still is.

This I can respect. Thank you for offering concrete facts.

Honestly, all I want is for people to drop the relevancy argument altogether. Nobody is saying he's a true icon, just that there are other factors for both sides of the argument.

But hey, what do I care? I get a kool kostume out of it~

Yes, I most likely am completely misinterpreting. I'm sorry.

Nah, we cool~

Hug?

 

[A Distant Demon]

Let's all have a group hug.

we aren't in a group anymore. Now we're on the regular boards A board hug doesnt sound as fun

 

[Deleted member]

we aren't in a group anymore. Now we're on the regular boards A board hug doesnt sound as fun

But with more people there's more FRIENDSHIP AND LOVE!

 

[Naoshi]

Why do I imagine people trying to hug a board

like a plain rectangular shaped wooden board

 

[Wintropy]

It's a recent title sure but it's not a new major title of DKC to consider K. Rool truly relevant like Dixie Kong for example. I'm not here to be on a high horse I'm just debating that the case of relevancy may not apply to Mii costumes.


Baseless? I have Sakurai's evidence here to say it could be a problem for K. Rool:
http://www.sourcegaming.info/2015/07/10/sakurai-didnt-say-that/

That was back in the base game. In that context, he's absolutely right.

But the ballot is touted as a chance for fans to have their say. What's the point in having an egalitarian suggestion box if otherwise legitimate suggestions don't even get the time of day?

 

[Con0rrrr]

The only reason I'm not on board with the costume confirming he is relevant is this.

I don't think he's relevant enough to warrant a character release. I feel his costume is a direct response that says "This is the middle ground".

I'm speaking from Sakurai logic here.

I feel his costume would only be there directly because of his popularity in the ballot. If we had no ballot, we would have never seen this costume.

 

[Deleted member]

Why do I imagine people trying to hug a board

like a plain rectangular shaped wooden board

That's making me imagine some odd joke about a tree-hugger mourning the loss of a tree that got cut into a board.

 

[A Distant Demon]

Why do I imagine people trying to hug a board

like a plain rectangular shaped wooden board

who wouldnt want to hug this

Spoiler

there is also a joke about lucina in this

 

[Deleted member]

FRIENDSHIP AND LOVE!

IT BURNS!

 

[BluePikmin11]

Hypothetically it's possible, but I don't think he'll change his mind on irrelevancy for DLC either. Agree to disagree I guess Wintropy.

 

[Schnee117]

who wouldnt want to hug this

Spoiler

there is also a joke about lucina in this

And @TehEpicRyuga

 

[Deleted member]

IT BURNS!

Reach inside your heart, and realize....

Spoiler

We're Smash Bros......

 

[Deleted member]

Yet it's speculated that this idea is was got Lucas cut, and he's DLC.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Why do I imagine people trying to hug a board

like a plain rectangular shaped wooden board

Is it like hugging @TehEpicRyuga?

 

[Kenith]

Personally, I think King K. Rool is very relevant.
When you talk about new Donkey Kong characters, fan-voted characters, and just generally long overdue characters he is VERY relevant.

 

[Schnee117]

Is it like hugging @TehEpicRyuga?

Can confirm that is indeed like hugging her.

 

[A Distant Demon]

Hypothetically it's possible, but I don't think he'll change his mind on irrelevancy for DLC either. Agree to disagree I guess Wintropy.

Wait. . .is blue of all people NOT saying "it could happen/change"

woah.

And @TehEpicRyuga

Is it like hugging @TehEpicRyuga?

I was hoping someone would make this joke but I didn't want to be the one to do it

 

[Chrono.]

Ran into some Rool salt, censored for language.

Spoiler