NintenZone Social Thread: Shovel Knight Amiibo Hype Catastrophe (feat. Swamp)

[epicmartin7]

I think Ryu is mostly to promote Street Fighter V but his moveset is from across all of the other 4 (5 including Alpha)

Maybe Ryu was also suppose to be a part of the initial roster at one point, but the plans fell though early in development?

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Geez, someone got salty after the digital event

http://mynintendonews.com/2015/06/1...-amiibos-pre-orders-being-canceled-in-europe/

Or someone is re-enforcing amiibo scarcity for their own gain. Follow the money.

 

[Kenith]

Maybe Ryu was also suppose to be a part of the initial roster at one point, but the plans fell though early in development?

Yeah that's one thing that bothers me, is why Ryu is actually DLC. Like, I know what his merits are, but, there's gotta be more to it.
I doubt Sakurai woke up one day and said "I feel like putting Ryu in Super Smash Bros."

 

[DoodleDuck97]

& for DLC eh? ;P
@Awesomedude4444

 

[Icedragonadam]

Yeah I was hoping for an interview in Famitsu or some other Japanese gaming media to see the reasons for Ryu's inclusion.

On another note, a unicorn amiibo restock of Wave 1 and 2 + Lucario happened in Canadian TRU this week, I got Lucario! I wasn't able to get Fox or Falcon though.

 

[IceBreakerXY]

& for DLC eh? ;P
@Awesomedude4444

XD your watching the steam the stream to

 

[DoodleDuck97]

XD your watching the steam the stream to

I'm watching yeah.
I'm the lurker of twitch ^,^

 

[Kenith]

Yeah I was hoping for an interview in Famitsu or some other Japanese gaming media to see the reasons for Ryu's inclusion.
On another note, a unicorn amiibo restock of Wave 1 and 2 + Lucario happened in Canadian TRU this week, I got Lucario! I wasn't able to get Fox or Falcon though.

I need to see if I can get my hands on an overpriced plastic DLC key figurine amiibo of Lucario.

 

[Spazzy_D]

I can't see Nintendo take out Wii U support just like that... all of a sudden. That's like saying "screw this. Here you go."

That's exactly what Nintendo did with the Gamecube. (Cube launched November/September 2001, Wii launched November 2006. Same time frame as Wii U to NX as well.)

 

[IceBreakerXY]

I'm watching yeah.
I'm the lurker of twitch ^,^

will dont be afraid to tag me

 

[DoodleDuck97]

I need to see if I can get my hands on an overpriced plastic DLC key figurine amiibo of Lucario.

I need to get a second Lucario for my cousin so we can have Amiibo wars.
Not that I don't have my own war trying to get the blasted things.
But hey Main priorities.

 

[Soul.]

That's exactly what Nintendo did with the Gamecube. (Cube launched November/September 2001, Wii launched November 2006. Same time frame as Wii U to NX as well.)

Part of me thinks they "got rid" of the GameCube within 5 years because gimmicks sell consoles. GameCube didn't have any from what I can tell---Innovation is the same thing, so to speak. Not sure how this applies to Wii U.
If NX has a good gimmick, expect it to sell well. Speaking of which, hopefully the launch lineup is great and not like the 3DS, which had very few "good games" when it launched.

 

[Chrono.]

Part of me thinks they "got rid" of the GameCube within 5 years because gimmicks sell consoles. GameCube didn't have any from what I can tell---Innovation is the same thing, so to speak. Not sure how this applies to Wii U.
If NX has a good gimmick, expect it to sell well. Speaking of which, hopefully the launch lineup is great and not like the 3DS, which had very few "good games" when it launched.

Consoles in general have very little worthwhile launch titles nowadays, kinda sad.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Part of me thinks they "got rid" of the GameCube within 5 years because gimmicks sell consoles. GameCube didn't have any from what I can tell---Innovation is the same thing, so to speak. Not sure how this applies to Wii U.
If NX has a good gimmick, expect it to sell well. Speaking of which, hopefully the launch lineup is great and not like the 3DS, which had very few "good games" when it launched.

I think the Gamecube's gimmick was portability (dat handle) which was defeated by the fact you still needed lots of cables to get it to work.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Ryu makes a **** ton more sense in Smash than Snake.

Yes, I said that. And I don't feel bad saying it. Most iconic fighting game character trumps any sort of icon status Snake had in a fighting situation when it comes to being in Smash.

So personally I don't even need justification of Ryu. I feel him being chosen is more justified than Snake was in Brawl. Snake never even got a ''He reinvented stealth gameplay" explanation as far as I recall/know.

 

[Kenith]

Consoles in general have very little worthwhile launch titles nowadays, kinda sad.

Kind of a bummer, huh?
For a long time great launch titles were the norm. In fact they were super important to publishers, Microsoft went out of their way to have a kick-ass launch lineup for the Xbox. But they weren't the only ones.
Nintendo 64 had Super Mario 64. Considering the weight that name alone has I don't think I need to elaborate. SNES had F-Zero and Super Mario World. Xbox had Halo and Dead or Alive 3. The US launch for Dreamcast had Sonic Adventure and goddamn Soulcalibur. Gamecube didn't have much at launch, but I believe it did have Luigi's Mansion, and Melee came out a couple months afterwards.
Flash forward to modern consoles. PlayStation 4's first really incredible exclusive, Bloodborne, came out nearly two years after the console.
Wii U had the same issue with Smash and Zelda is another year away.

 

[Khoru]

Ryu makes a **** ton more sense in Smash than Snake.

Yes, I said that. And I don't feel bad saying it. Most iconic fighting game character trumps any sort of icon status Snake had in a fighting situation when it comes to being in Smash.

So personally I don't even need justification of Ryu. I feel him being chosen is more justified than Snake was in Brawl. Snake never even got a ''He reinvented stealth gameplay" explanation as far as I recall/know.

snake definitely didn't make a ton of sense, even considering metal gear codified stealth games and its continued existence owed itself to the NES
but he was nice to have and provided a hilarious juxtaposition with the rest of the cast

 

[SegaNintendoUbisoft]

So, I just saw Inside Out, it's a pretty damn good movie, I recommend you see, alongside Jurassic World.

 

[BluePikmin11]

New article from me:
https://sourcegaming.wordpress.com/2015/06/19/why-every-veteran-could-return-as-dlc/

 

[Burb]

Spoiler

I really don't see what's being "misunderstood".

You're saying Spyro is a "top third party candidate" and that the presence of Bowser and DK in Skylanders is a good sign for him. Everyone who replied to you replied with that in mind.

What part of it are we supposedly missing?

New article from me:
https://sourcegaming.wordpress.com/2015/06/19/why-every-veteran-could-return-as-dlc/

Yeeeeaaaaaaah, there's no way we're getting every veteran as DLC. There's no way there's enough DLC left for all of them plus more newcomers. Not to mention Snake and Ice Climbers both have major obstacles blocking their entry.

I think we're likelier to get playable Ridley and @ Kenith 's playable Assist Trophies than we are to get every single veteran as DLC.

 

[Thelimomon]

New article from me:
https://sourcegaming.wordpress.com/2015/06/19/why-every-veteran-could-return-as-dlc/

As you said in this article, Snake and the Ice Climbers might be the only veterans with actual issues to them.
And if, only if, we get some kind of "Ultra Smash Bros." for NX, the Ice Climbers do have a great chance to make a come back.
But what if the NX isn't a hybrid console? And Sakurai wants to bring "Ultra Smash Bros." for the a mobile console, too?
Well, there could be the possibility for it being New 3DS exclusive, the way "Ultra Smash Bros." would be exclusive for the NX,
without a new version for the Wii U.

...Or we simply get a 3DX.

Spoiler

 

[Das Koopa]

Optimistically, we could have 2 more DLC packs in August and October each with 2-3 characters. Even with that, I don't see how we'd get every veteran.

 

[Kenith]

I'm thinking by the time NX comes around they'll have a handheld that's as powerful or close to as powerful as a smartphone for games.
So even if Ice Climbers were back there'd be no issue.

 

[Thelimomon]

Optimistically, we could have 2 more DLC packs in August and October each with 2-3 characters. Even with that, I don't see how we'd get every veteran.

Can't we get veterans after the ballot is closed?

 

[Chrono.]

Only veteran with any fighting chance left is Wolf.

Everyone else is in limbo except the Ice Climbers.

 

[Burb]

Can't we get veterans after the ballot is closed?

I'm pretty sure the ballot characters are going to be the last ones.

Only veteran with any fighting chance left is Wolf.

Everyone else is in limbo except the Ice Climbers.

I don't even like Wolf's chances anymore.

If any more veterans are due, I think he's got the best chance by quite a margin (Knocking on wood here, since I never imagined he'd get beat out by Roy, either). But I'm currently not so sure there will be any more veterans as DLC.

If I were to rate them....

Wolf > Ivysaur/Squirtle/Pichu > Young Link >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ice Climbers/Snake

 

[IceBreakerXY]

Only veteran with any fighting chance left is Wolf.

Everyone else is in limbo except the Ice Climbers.

I still think all the pokemon vets have a good change but yeah Wolf has the strongest change

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Snake never even got a ''He reinvented stealth gameplay" explanation as far as I recall/know.

In his stead we got the original stealth game...

PAC-MAN!

 

[Pokechu]

Only veteran with any fighting chance left is Wolf.

Everyone else is in limbo except the Ice Climbers.

​

 

[Chrono.]

I still think all the pokemon vets have a good change but yeah Wolf has the strongest change

Mewtwo might've hurt their chances a bit, but that's just my theory.

Pichu is most definitely bottom of the barrel though.

 

[Thelimomon]

I'd say their chances are like this:
Wolf > Ivysaur/Squirtle > Pichu/Young Link > Snake > Ice Climbers

(I'm pretty sure we will get either Squirtle and Ivysaur or none. Definitely not only one of them.)

 

[Zynux]

I see DKC2 being mentioned, so I'm just gonna throw this out there.

It is a masterpiece and if I taught a course on Game Design it'd be one the chief examples I'd use. It isn't just "fun", like DKC1 and DKC3 is. It is meticulously designed. There are no leap of faith jumps, which are littered throughout the other two titles. Most levels are designed to be ran through at full speed in ways Mario or other great platformers aren't. In Mario, you might need to jump on a flying enemy to make it over a gap, but you'll have to stop and wait for the enemy to reach the proper height for you bounce off them. In DKC2, if you just book it through the stage at full run speed, that flying enemy you need to bounce on will be in the exact position needed to make the jump. Watch a speedrun, it is magic. And yet the game never feels easy, because it also wants you to stop and explore everything.

In DKC1, there are many secret areas found in pits that give you no indication they are safe to fall in; there's little rhyme or reason to the secrets in DKC1, so the only way you could ever find them all without a guide is by jumping into every single pit in the game. Compare this to DKC2, which always puts its secrets in "plain sight." But that doesn't make them easy to find. No, the game revels in hiding a giant sparkling gold coin twice as large as your character in areas you feel stupid for missing. DKC as a series obviously owes a lot to the Mario platformers, but the huge, sparkling coins found in the NSMB series are a clear example of the inspiration flowing the opposite direction. Making your secret collectible in every level absolutely gigantic was a master stroke. When the player misses it, they feel compelled to go back in and find it, because how can something so big and shiny be so easy to overlook?

Then there are the level themes. There's an amount of creativity here missing from most other "great" platformers. Even Mario Bros will tick off all the cliches: a desert, a forest, a snowy plain. DKC2, instead, sticks you in a swamp with a half sunken pirate ship, a giant honey-filled wasp nest, a rusty, rickety amusement park and, of course, a floating bramble cluster in the sky. Even the 'cliche' areas, such as the dangerous lava filled volcano land, are turned on their head. What is usually reserved for World 8 becomes World 2! Lava is the least of the Kongs' problems. I can't even begin to tell you how disappointed I was when Donkey Kong Country Returns made the volcano land the last world, like every other platformer.

Donkey Kong Country 2 is the pinnacle of Platformers to me.

And I say this as no fanboy: I played DKC2 on a whim a couple years ago with little exposure to prior DKC and didn't know what to expect, and was blown away.

snake definitely didn't make a ton of sense, even considering metal gear codified stealth games and its continued existence owed itself to the NES
but he was nice to have and provided a hilarious juxtaposition with the rest of the cast

Wasn't the whole charm of Snake was how out of place he was?

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I don't think Snake was intentionally out of place or juxtapositioned at all.

He just didn't fit.

 

[DMurr]

There where unused files of him though which indicates that he most likely was planned to return for Brawl but didn't make it for one reason or another. (Most likely time constraints)

Yes, I know, but that's not really what I'm talking about. Roy wasn't in Brawl. I don't mean cut content from previous games, I mean content cut or specifically saved for DLC in this game, Smash 4. Sakurai was concerned that gamers would think the DLC was content specifically saved during development for post release. Lucas could've appeared that way because they started with Brawl as a base, but Roy wasn't in that game.

Snake has a shot. He's a veteran and a third party. That sounds like good sales status right there, now that we know they're willing to use third parties for DLC.

 

[PushDustIn]

Yeah that's one thing that bothers me, is why Ryu is actually DLC. Like, I know what his merits are, but, there's gotta be more to it.
I doubt Sakurai woke up one day and said "I feel like putting Ryu in Super Smash Bros."

I'm pretty sure that's exactly what happened. Nintendo gives Sakurai complete control over the Smash Brother series. Miyamoto requested Pac Man in Brawl And Sakurai said "lol pizza face wouldn't work in Smash". I don't think Ryu is there to promote the next SF, he's there because he's a gaming legend.

 

[Pokechu]

I'm pretty sure that's exactly what happened. Nintendo gives Sakurai complete control over the Smash Brother series. Miyamoto requested Pac Man in Brawl And Sakurai said "lol pizza face wouldn't work in Smash". I don't think Ryu is there to promote the next SF, he's there because he's a gaming legend.

I've been meaning to ask you this, but I always forget.

In your signature, what text is that? And if you got it for free, then say so, also. And also the site, if you remember it.


I've been looking for that font for all my life. Even in the womb. Totes.

 

[Burb]

I'm pretty sure that's exactly what happened. Nintendo gives Sakurai complete control over the Smash Brother series. Miyamoto requested Pac Man in Brawl And Sakurai said "lol pizza face wouldn't work in Smash". I don't think Ryu is there to promote the next SF, he's there because he's a gaming legend.

^ Seriously, this.

There doesn't need to be some secret motive behind every newcomer's addition.

That's why it annoys me so much when people make those "ZOMG <insert character from an upcoming game here> CONFIRMED FOR SMASH!!!!1111" comments. The only character we know of who was in Smash for the purpose of advertising was Roy in Melee. There's really not much precedent for those theories at all.

As for the Miyamoto part, Sakurai shoots him down all the time. Don't forget, Miyamoto suggested Kirby be yellow, but Sakurai insisted on pink.

 

[Spazzy_D]

Aaaaaay, offtopic but what SNES games would you recommend? I'm planning on getting an SNES soon just for funsies.

Ontopic, NX besta be a hybrid. That'd be new.

Man, there are so many fantastic games that I am surprised no one mentioned yet!

Super Castlevania IV, Contra III, Super Bomberman, Chrono Trigger, Illusion of Gaia, Actraiser, Final Fantasy 2, Final Fantasy 6, Secret of Mana, Flashback, Final Fight, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles IV: Turtles in Time, Megman X, Megaman X2, Megaman X3, Super Punch-Out, F-zero, Pilot Wings, Darius Twin, Demon's Quest, Super Ghouls N' Ghosts.

That should be a decent enough start for you.

 

[Soul.]

Next handheld will have power similar to that of Wii U, calling it. Nintendo handhelds have always had some kind of related power to previous generation consoles.
Game Boy (Color) = NES
GBA = SNES
DS = N64
3DS = GCN/Wii
Kinda.

 

[continuityOfficer]

Next handheld will have power similar to that of Wii U, calling it. Nintendo handhelds have always had some kind of related power to previous generation consoles.
Game Boy (Color) = NES
GBA = SNES
DS = N64
3DS = GCN/Wii
Kinda.

3DS cant run stuff to the wii's power, it can do maybe just above gamecube and thats pushing it.

I could see the next handheld doing that though

(DS and n64 is kina pushing it too honestly)