NintenZone Social Thread: Shovel Knight Amiibo Hype Catastrophe (feat. Swamp)

[egaddmario]

Aaaaaay, offtopic but what SNES games would you recommend? I'm planning on getting an SNES soon just for funsies.

Ontopic, NX besta be a hybrid. That'd be new.

Earthbound, Super Mario World, Super Metroid, Earthbound, A Link to the Past, Super Mario RPG, Earthbound, Donkey Kong Country, Kirby Super Star, Earthbound, and oh, wait, did i mention Earthbound?

 

[Deleted member]

Aaaaaay, offtopic but what SNES games would you recommend? I'm planning on getting an SNES soon just for funsies.

Ontopic, NX besta be a hybrid. That'd be new.

If NX isn't a hybrid I'm gonna be mad, sick of having to buy 2 consoles to play all of Nintendo's great games

 

[Deleted member]

Spyro's presence in Skylanders was basically just a selling point for the original game. New IPs are harder to sell, so they slipped a familiar face in to help get the ball rolling.

Notice how he no longer appears in Skylanders-related advertisements?

If I remember correctly, Skylanders was, for all intents and purposes, the second reboot to the Spyro franchise (the first being the Legend of Spyro trilogy), just without Spyro being the main character.

Let your mind process that for a moment: Spyro has been reduced to no longer being the poster child of his own series, and that is sad.

As for the chances and plausibility of Spyro being in Smash, they're almost nonexistent because (1) he wasn't even in PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale despite the sizable and vocal demand for his inclusion in that game, and (2) he's a western third party character that severely lacks Japanese popularity to the point where only five Spyro/Skylanders games have been localized in that region. Said entries include:

• Spyro the Dragon (PS1, 1999 (going by Japanese release dates)) - Both Spyro 1 & 2 received bad word of mouth and were both critically panned in Japan due to some drastic gameplay changes made to the Japanese versions, thus causing poor sales.
• Spyro 2: Ripto's Rage/Gateway to Glimmer (PS1, 2000) - Japan ended up missing out on the western acclaimed Spyro: Year of the Dragon.
• Spyro: Season of Ice (GBA, 2002) - Since this game's release, only one other GBA Spyro game was localized.
• Spyro Orange/Fusion (GBA, 2004) - I'm sure this game was only localized because it was a crossover with Crash Bandicoot, who was very popular in Japan at the time. Not that I think he has much of a chance of appearing in Smash either.
• Skylanders: Spyro's Adventure (Multiplatform, 2013) - Japan received their first Spyro game (if you can even call it that) in nearly ten years when the west already had the likes of Spyro: A Hero's Tail, Spyro: Shadow Legacy, the Legend of Spyro trilogy, and even later Skylanders games. Speaking of which, none of the Skylanders sequels including the upcoming Skylanders: Supercharged featuring DK and Bowser have been confirmed for a Japanese localization as of this post.

 

[Soul.]

NX being a hybrid would be cool.
Form factor is basically a handheld; better resolution, a gimmick and all that stuff.
Then you're able to plug it on to the TV and play the games there, while sitll be able to play them on the go.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

I wonder if Spyro will become another sticking point for PSASBR in that they should have gotten them due to the series relation to SP but Smash got them instead. Snake all over again.

 

[powerprotoman]

now heres the thing if a skylander were to get into smash based off of my experience it would be what they have made the stealth mascot....stealth elf (shes in every game and aside from trap master has been a part of every sub series of skylander) pardon the pun

 

[Burb]

If I remember correctly, Skylanders was, for all intents and purposes, the second reboot to the Spyro franchise (the first being the Legend of Spyro trilogy), just without Spyro being the main character.

Let your mind process that for a moment: Spyro has been reduced to no longer being the poster child of his own series, and that is sad.

As for the chances and plausibility of Spyro being in Smash, they're almost nonexistent because (1) he wasn't even in PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale despite the sizable and vocal demand for his inclusion in that game, and (2) he's a western third party character that severely lacks Japanese popularity to the point where only five Spyro/Skylanders games have been localized in that region. Said entires include:

• Spyro the Dragon (PS1, 1999 (going by Japanese release dates)) - Both Spyro 1 & 2 received bad word of mouth and were both critically panned in Japan due to some drastic gameplay changes made to the Japanese versions, thus causing poor sales.
• Spyro 2: Ripto's Rage/Gateway to Glimmer (PS1, 2000) - Japan ended up missing out on the western acclaimed Spyro: Year of the Dragon.
• Spyro: Season of Ice (GBA, 2002) - Since this game's release, only one other GBA Spyro game was localized.
• Spyro Orange/Fusion (GBA, 2004) - I'm sure this game was only localized because it was a crossover with Crash Bandicoot, who was very popular in Japan at the time. Not that I think he has much of a chance of appearing in Smash either.
• Skylanders: Spyro's Adventure (Multiplatform, 2013) - Japan received their first Spyro game (if you can even call it that) in nearly ten years when the west already had the likes of Spyro: A Hero's Tail, Spyro: Shadow Legacy, the Legend of Spyro trilogy, and even later Skylanders games. Speaking of which, none of the Skylanders sequels including the upcoming Skylanders: Supercharged featuring DK and Bowser have been confirmed for a Japanese localization as of this post.

Excellent post. I already felt Spyro had no chance, but I completely forgot that the majority of the series never even made it to Japan.

There's no way it's happening, and some Nintendo cameos in Skylanders isn't changing that.

 

[Kenith]

now heres the thing if a skylander were to get into smash based off of my experience it would be what they have made the stealth mascot....stealth elf (shes in every game and aside from trap master has been a part of every sub series of skylander) pardon the pun

If a character associated with Skylanders gets into Smash ever, it would be Spyro, regardless of how unlikely that is anyway.
Like if for some reason they wanted a character from DoA in Smash, they'd choose Ryu Hayabusa over Kasumi because of Ninja Gaiden.

 

[AreJay25]

I feel like if Skylanders were to get a character, E3 would have been the time to announce it. Skylanders, as much as I hate to admit it, is a pretty big deal, and Nintendo collaborating with Activision is an even bigger one. The amiibo/Skylander functionality will probably be all that comes out of this.

 

[Pokechu]

Earthbound, Super Mario World, Super Metroid, Earthbound, A Link to the Past, Super Mario RPG, Earthbound, Donkey Kong Country, Kirby Super Star, Earthbound, and oh, wait, did i mention Earthbound?

All of those bar Earthbound were actually on my list, actually. So far I'm considering

Super Mario All-Stars + Super Mario World
Yoshi's Island
A Link To The Past
Kirby's Dreamland 3/KSS
Super Metroid
Street Fighter II Turbo
Donkey Kong Country
Mario Paint (Is this good? i really wanna support mario ballet)

Isn't Country 2 better than 1 though? And I'm torn between KD3 and KSS because KD3 is longer, and I haven't played it while KSS gets higher ratings.

 

[Kenith]

If you have to choose between any SNES game and Super Metroid, always choose Super Metroid.

 

[Chrono.]

I personally don't like SNES Star Fox but lots of people do.

 

[Chandeelure]

All of those bar Earthbound were actually on my list, actually. So far I'm considering

Super Mario All-Stars + Super Mario World
Yoshi's Island
A Link To The Past
Kirby's Dreamland 3/KSS
Super Metroid
Street Fighter II Turbo
Donkey Kong Country
Mario Paint (Is this good? i really wanna support mario ballet)

Isn't Country 2 better than 1 though? And I'm torn between KD3 and KSS because KD3 is longer, and I haven't played it while KSS gets higher ratings.

KD3 is not that good.

Also...

Zombies Ate My Neighbors.

 

[SlickWylde]

My favorite SNES game was Halo: Masterchief Collection

 

[egaddmario]

All of those bar Earthbound were actually on my list, actually. So far I'm considering

Super Mario All-Stars + Super Mario World
Yoshi's Island
A Link To The Past
Kirby's Dreamland 3/KSS
Super Metroid
Street Fighter II Turbo
Donkey Kong Country
Mario Paint (Is this good? i really wanna support mario ballet)

Isn't Country 2 better than 1 though? And I'm torn between KD3 and KSS because KD3 is longer, and I haven't played it while KSS gets higher ratings.

Never played Mario Paint, but heard good things. That's a prime list of games though. Just remember to add in Earthbound. Country 2 is supposed to be better than 1. I haven't played 2 so i can't comment. I can, however, comment on the KD3 vs. KSS debate- go for Super Star. Super Star is one of, if not the best, Kirby games ever. There's a reason Nintendo remade it as Super Star Ultra for the DS.

 

[TheAnvil]

If I remember correctly, Skylanders was, for all intents and purposes, the second reboot to the Spyro franchise (the first being the Legend of Spyro trilogy), just without Spyro being the main character.

Let your mind process that for a moment: Spyro has been reduced to no longer being the poster child of his own series, and that is sad.

As for the chances and plausibility of Spyro being in Smash, they're almost nonexistent because (1) he wasn't even in PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale despite the sizable and vocal demand for his inclusion in that game, and (2) he's a western third party character that severely lacks Japanese popularity to the point where only five Spyro/Skylanders games have been localized in that region.

1) I guess Snake was never in Smash either then. PSABR was a complete mess, and the fact that it was a mess has absolutely nothing to do with Smash. If anything the fact that fans wanted Spyro in the game so much tells you just how popular he still is. Ryu wasn't on PSABR either, and Street Fighter has had a crapton of games on Sony's hardware (as well as being the face of Capcom), they opted for not-Dante instead.
2) He has still had a presence in Japan. That could be a huge mark against him, but there's no denying that Skylanders was considered by Nintendo to be a big enough deal for them to lend their characters into the game. Nintendo are notoriously protective of their IPs. Rayman is also a far bigger deal in the west (more specifically Europe) than he is in Japan, and he is regarded as one of the most plausible and most likely 3rd Party characters. To the degree that the Omni leak had nearly the entire Smash fanbase fooled with his convincing leak.

Again, not saying that Spyro will be in Smash, but he is absolutely a frontrunner for any future 3rd Party characters considering the current set of circumstances.

Spoiler

Unless Japanese people have a purple dragon phobia.

 

[Z25]

My favorite SNES game was Halo: Masterchief Collection

MasterChief For DLC

 

[Chrono.]

Does PK Starstorm differ from Ness and Lucas this time in ANY way??

 

[epicmartin7]

MasterChief For DLC

Well if Master Cheif is DLC, wouldn't that mean they would have to port Smash Wii U to the Xbox One?

 

[DarkDedede]

Aaaaaay, offtopic but what SNES games would you recommend? I'm planning on getting an SNES soon just for funsies.

EVO Search for Eden
Lemmings 2: The Tribes
Smartball

Those were my favorites. Might be a bit pricey now though.

 

[TheAnvil]

Guuise. Dat looser Roo cant even get in da PSABR. He no get in Smash Bras 4 shore.

List of games that Ryu was in on PS hardware (not including arcade rereleases or collection releases).

Spoiler

Street Fighter Alpha 1
Street Fighter Alpha 2
Street Fighter Alpha 3
Street Fighter EX 1
Street Fighter EX 2
Street Fighter EX 3
Street Fighter 3: 3rd Strike
Street Fighter 4, SSF4, USF4
X-Men vs. Street Fighter
MSH vs. Street Fighter
MvC
MvC2
MvC3 (and Ultimate)
Capcom vs. SNK Pro
Capcom vs. SNK 2
SNK vs. Capcom 2: SVC Chaos (jp only)
Street Fighter x Tekken
Capcom Fighting Jam
SF: The Movie
Street Fighter 2: The Animated Movie
Super Puzzle Fighter 2 Turbo
Super Gem Fighter Mini Mix
Namco x Capcom

Wat a jabroni.

List of Devil May Cry games on PS hardware

Spoiler

DMC
DMC2
DMC3
DMC4
DmC

That's how reliable PSABR's roster selection was.

 

[SlickWylde]

I'd love if someone was able to do a game changing mod to Sm4sh like Project M-- not to the gameplay, but to the level editor. That would be awesome. I LOVE making maps, and it frustrates me how overly simplified it is. :'(

 

[Substitution]

Guuise. Dat looser Roo cant even get in da PSABR. He no get in Smash Bras 4 shore.

List of games that Ryu was in on PS hardware (not including arcade rereleases or collection releases).

Spoiler

Street Fighter Alpha 1
Street Fighter Alpha 2
Street Fighter Alpha 3
Street Fighter EX 1
Street Fighter EX 2
Street Fighter EX 3
Street Fighter 3: 3rd Strike
Street Fighter 4, SSF4, USF4
X-Men vs. Street Fighter
MSH vs. Street Fighter
MvC
MvC2
MvC3 (and Ultimate)
Capcom vs. SNK Pro
Capcom vs. SNK 2
SNK vs. Capcom 2: SVC Chaos (jp only)
Street Fighter x Tekken
Capcom Fighting Jam
SF: The Movie
Street Fighter 2: The Animated Movie
Super Puzzle Fighter 2 Turbo
Super Gem Fighter Mini Mix
Namco x Capcom

Wat a jabroni.

List of Devil May Cry games on PS hardware

Spoiler

DMC
DMC2
DMC3
DMC4
DmC

That's how reliable PSABR's roster selection was.

...Even though DMC is also a critically acclaimed franchise which had its roots on the Playstation. So if anything it'd make less sense to put Ryu in but not Dante.
Also, that's basically most if not all of DMC's discography. So I don't see why we should put that against it. And it's not like Smash hasn't done it either.

 

[SlickWylde]

So most of you are saying at least 2 more characters for DLC? Even the conservative people like Burb?? Surprising. Anyone feel confident about any certain characters?

Also, let's play Sakurai Quote Madlibs: I found a Sakurai quote, and you're going to give me words to inset.
Give me:
A Verb ending with ING
Plural Noun
Name of Smashboards user

(Just make it a part of the post so we can keep the regular discussion going)

 

[Arcanir]

2) He has still had a presence in Japan. That could be a huge mark against him, but there's no denying that Skylanders was considered by Nintendo to be a big enough deal for them to lend their characters into the game. Nintendo are notoriously protective of their IPs. Rayman is also a far bigger deal in the west (more specifically Europe) than he is in Japan, and he is regarded as one of the most plausible and most likely 3rd Party characters. To the degree that the Omni leak had nearly the entire Smash fanbase fooled with his convincing leak.

Again, not saying that Spyro will be in Smash, but he is absolutely a frontrunner for any future 3rd Party characters considering the current set of circumstances.

Spoiler

Unless Japanese people have a purple dragon phobia.

Nintendo allowing the use of their IPs doesn't automatically mean that the third party characters related to the companies are suddenly frontrunners. Gungho, Koei, Atlus and a few other companies have been able to get access to Nintendo properties in a past few years for instance, but no one's calling characters like Inferno Dragon or Jack Frost a strong candidate for the game. It's just something the company is doing for more success for themselves, it doesn't mean that relationship will make Sakurai suddenly reconsider the character's negative points and put them in Smash.

 

[A Distant Demon]

A Verb ending with ING
Plural Noun
Name of Smashboards user

Bowling
ducks
pushdustin
edit didnt read 2nd part. Whoops


Only confident in wolf and a DK character

 

[Substitution]

Wait a minute guys...
>Link was in Soul Calbur 2.
>Game was produced by Namco.
>Pac-Man got into Smash.

We might be onto something!

So most of you are saying at least 2 more characters for DLC? Even the conservative people like Burb?? Surprising. Anyone feel confident about any certain characters?

Also, let's play Sakurai Quote Madlibs: I found a Sakurai quote, and you're going to give me words to inset.
Give me:
A Verb ending with ING
Plural Noun
Name of Smashboards user

(Just make it a part of the post so we can keep the regular discussion going)

Learning
Musicals
KenithTheGatherer

 

[SlickWylde]

Wait a minute guys...
>Link was in Soul Calbur 2.
>Game was produced by Namco.
>Pac-Man got into Smash.

We might be onto something!


Learning
Musicals
KenithTheGatherer

Lol riiiiight
Though Link in SC2 was actually pretty awesome. My 2nd fav fighting series is SC

Okay, next: (I combined yours and Oni333's answers)

Verb
Another Smashboards user
Noun
verb
noun

 

[egaddmario]

So most of you are saying at least 2 more characters for DLC? Even the conservative people like Burb?? Surprising. Anyone feel confident about any certain characters?

Also, let's play Sakurai Quote Madlibs: I found a Sakurai quote, and you're going to give me words to inset.
Give me:
A Verb ending with ING
Plural Noun
Name of Smashboards user

(Just make it a part of the post so we can keep the regular discussion going)

Considering there's two slots left, the safe bet is two more. I mean, we AT LEAST have one because of the ballot. Two seems likely.

~~~~~~

break dancing
cats
@Spazzy_D

 

[Burb]

1) I guess Snake was never in Smash either then. PSABR was a complete mess, and the fact that it was a mess has absolutely nothing to do with Smash. If anything the fact that fans wanted Spyro in the game so much tells you just how popular he still is. Ryu wasn't on PSABR either, and Street Fighter has had a crapton of games on Sony's hardware (as well as being the face of Capcom), they opted for not-Dante instead.
2) He has still had a presence in Japan. That could be a huge mark against him, but there's no denying that Skylanders was considered by Nintendo to be a big enough deal for them to lend their characters into the game. Nintendo are notoriously protective of their IPs. Rayman is also a far bigger deal in the west (more specifically Europe) than he is in Japan, and he is regarded as one of the most plausible and most likely 3rd Party characters. To the degree that the Omni leak had nearly the entire Smash fanbase fooled with his convincing leak.

Again, not saying that Spyro will be in Smash, but he is absolutely a frontrunner for any future 3rd Party characters considering the current set of circumstances.

Spoiler

Unless Japanese people have a purple dragon phobia.

What current set of circumstances? Two Mario characters appearing in Skylanders is not indicative of an Activision character getting into Smash Bros.

You're acting no different than all the people who said "Hyrule Warriors = Impa in Smash!", "Pokemon ORAS = Sceptile in Smash!", "Platinum Games announcement = Wonder Red in Smash!", and all the other similar theories that've popped up.

I agree that the PSABR arguments are flimsy, but your belief that Skylanders somehow boosts Spyro's chances are every bit as questionable. "Upcoming game = Smash 4 character" theories have never ended up being right.

I get that this argument is based on a hypothetical thing, but I didn't see you preaching about how Spyro is a "third party frontrunner" until after the Skylanders announcement.

 

[powerprotoman]

im going to make a baseless theory for dlc

were going to have a total of 12 characters and 9 stages
the reason thats the amount of characters and stages we had for smash 64

like i said completely baseless but its what im sticking to as my dream amount

 

[Deleted member]

Unrelated, but looking at your sig made me realize how much more hyped I would have been for a FF6 or Chrono Trigger remake than I was for FF7.

Seriously Nintendo, pay some money to Square-Enix for exclusive rights (or at least first rights) to a full 3D Chorno Trigger remake on the Wii U/NX and you'll easily win back all your lapsed gamers.

I think the reason why I'm excited for a FFVII remake is because I've never played that game before. Whereas by the time a FFVI or Chrono Trigger remake gets announced (if ever), I will have already played through both of them. I've already started Final Fantasy VI.

Chrono Trigger really was huge back in the 16 bit days. Some of you younger folks might not realize it, but it felt bigger than Final Fantasy when it first hit.

Graphically it blew every other JRPG out of the water, the character designs were great, and while it may seem silly now (especially when Bioware games that let you make decisions about everything exist) it was kind of mind blowing that the game gave you as much freedom as it did (you could beat the game and get a different ending at almost any point in the game, and time traveling to the past had consequences in the future.)

Chrono Trigger also has another Nintendo connection. Many of the developers that now work at Monolith Soft actually worked on the title. They formed the basis for the main team of the group that came together to make Chrono Cross and Xeno Gears before leaving Square.

JRPGs for the most part were always a niche genre until Final Fantasy VII came into the scene when we leave Japan. In Japan, yeah they were huge, but outside of it, not so much. I don't have sales figures, but in North America, Chrono Trigger was between 250,000-300,000 (it sold worse than the North American version of Final Fantasy IV) and I don't think Final Fantasy VI broke 400,000. They aren't rare in North America, but there is a reason why Chrono Trigger commands high prices for the SNES version and why Final Fantasy VI is climbing up.

Another reason to be thankful for the Wii Virtual Console. Who would have thought we'd ever get to play the original game for $8 a pop?

http://nintendoeverything.com/reggie-indicates-that-nx-is-a-home-console/

RIP Wii U

It's going to take a lot of convincing out of me to get another Nintendo home console outside the 3DS at this point when speaking about modern consoles. I'm just waiting for the firesale in 2016.

When I see threads about the ballot on gamefaqs, I can't help but think it's got peoples hopes up too high.

That depends. If they're expecting only one ballot characters, it's definitely reasonable. Of course if their expectation is anything above nine DLC characters (including the four we have), they're setting themselves up for disappointment.

I read on Wikipedia that the WiiU as of March this year has lifetime sales of 9.5 million. Less than half of the Gamecube's but when you look at the PS4 and XBone's sales, it's clear it's more the market for home consoles not being as strong as it was. WiiU is still the weakest link among them.

Though here's something to think about. The 3DS is going on five years old now.

Not true. The Nintendo 3DS came out in February, 2011 so it has been going on for four and one-third of a year. I expect to see a 3DS successor in holiday, 2016.

Speaking of which, I seriously hope the next console comes next year. They have so little for the Wii U now that the thought of going two years without a big game after Star Fox Zero (except maybe Zelda Wii U) seems incredibly stupid from a business perspective.

Aaaaaay, offtopic but what SNES games would you recommend? I'm planning on getting an SNES soon just for funsies.

Ontopic, NX besta be a hybrid. That'd be new.

Aside from games already on the Wii and Wii U Virtual Console, not much to be honest. Well, I guess Cool Spot? That's a good licensed game from my childhood.

I should get more games for the SNES myself too... after I'm done with the Wii Virtual Console that is (still need to hack my Wii to where I can buy Japanese games).

So most of you are saying at least 2 more characters for DLC? Even the conservative people like Burb?? Surprising. Anyone feel confident about any certain characters?

It's because we have five Marios after Mewtwo. Naturally, Lucas, Roy, and Ryu would fill three of them, but there is still two more left.

Assuming these are the two final DLC characters, my bets are on Wolf and King K. Rool. Unless someone else gets announced, I am not changing my stance.

 

[Burb]

So most of you are saying at least 2 more characters for DLC? Even the conservative people like Burb?? Surprising. Anyone feel confident about any certain characters?

New Information:

shinyquagsire23 looked through the fighter table and found this:

After Mewtwo + 7 there are 5 additional “Mario”s listed. This means, that there are 5 additional unused characters in the fighter table in the latest update. Right now, we know for sure that Lucas is coming. After Lucas, it is heavily suggested that Roy (Fire Emblem) and Ryu (Street Fighter) will be incoming as DLC. Therefore, we have two additional slots for DLC. Whether the two slots will be used for the ballot results, or for pre-ballot result DLC is unknown. Stay tuned for additional information.

Source: @PushDustIn, https://sourcegaming.wordpress.com/2015/04/18/all-about-ryu-and-roys-files/

 

[TheAnvil]

What current set of circumstances? Two Mario characters appearing in Skylanders is not indicative of an Activision character getting into Smash Bros.

You're acting no different than all the people who said "Hyrule Warriors = Impa in Smash!", "Pokemon ORAS = Sceptile in Smash!", "Platinum Games announcement = Wonder Red in Smash!", and all the other similar theories that've popped up.

I agree that the PSABR arguments are flimsy, but your belief that Skylanders somehow boosts Spyro's chances are every bit as questionable. "Upcoming game = Smash character" theories have never ended up being right.

The current set of circumstances = Activision and Nintendo collaborating in a pretty huge fashion. It's a big deal that Nintendo characters are (for lack of a better word) headling a Skylanders game (they're after all being bundled with it). Which is far beyond a "cameo".

Spoiler

This isn't anything like me saying that Hyrule Warriors = Impa in Smash. I'm not even saying Spyro is going to be in Smash. At all. I'm saying he's a frontrunner as far as 3rd Party characters go. I've said all along, far before this Amiibo/Skylanders crossver that he was one of (very) few 3rd Party characters that would ever even likely be considered for Smash (which lends back to the set of circumstances to which I'm referring).

He's far above the Bayonetta's, the Shovel Knight's, The Shantae's etc.

...Even though DMC is also a critically acclaimed franchise which had its roots on the Playstation. So if anything it'd make less sense to put Ryu in but not Dante.
Also, that's basically most if not all of DMC's discography. So I don't see why we should put that against it. And it's not like Smash hasn't done it either.

I think you're missing the point. Ryu is a far more iconic character to Sony platforms (with approximately 5 times the number of games on PS), with a great deal more success than Dante. By the logic of "Spyro couldn't even get into PSABR", Ryu should not be in Smash either.

 

[egaddmario]

What current set of circumstances? Two Mario characters appearing in Skylanders is not indicative of an Activision character getting into Smash Bros.

You're acting no different than all the people who said "Hyrule Warriors = Impa in Smash!", "Pokemon ORAS = Sceptile in Smash!", "Platinum Games announcement = Wonder Red in Smash!", and all the other similar theories that've popped up.

I agree that the PSABR arguments are flimsy, but your belief that Skylanders somehow boosts Spyro's chances are every bit as questionable. "Upcoming game = Smash 4 character" theories have never ended up being right.

I get that this argument is based on a hypothetical thing, but I didn't see you preaching about how Spyro is a "third party frontrunner" until after the Skylanders announcement.

Codename Steam

 

[Burb]

Codename Steam

What about it? There's no Codename Steam content of any kind in Smash.

The current set of circumstances = Activision and Nintendo collaborating in a pretty huge fashion. It's a big deal that Nintendo characters are (for lack of a better word) headling a Skylanders game (they're after all being bundled with it). Which is far beyond a "cameo".

I'm gonna quote the below post because you seem to have overlooked it, and it did a much better job of refuting your theory than my post did:

Nintendo allowing the use of their IPs doesn't automatically mean that the third party characters related to the companies are suddenly frontrunners. Gungho, Koei, Atlus and a few other companies have been able to get access to Nintendo properties in a past few years for instance, but no one's calling characters like Inferno Dragon or Jack Frost a strong candidate for the game. It's just something the company is doing for more success for themselves, it doesn't mean that relationship will make Sakurai suddenly reconsider the character's negative points and put them in Smash.

 

[TheAnvil]

What about it? There's no Codename Steam content of any kind in Smash.



I'm gonna quote the below post because you seem to have overlooked it, and it did a much better job of refuting your theory than my post did:

It's really apples and oranges. Spyro =/= Inferno Dragon. The two situations are only vaguely similar.

Anyway, people clearly don't agree, and/or are completely taking what I'm saying to mean something that I'm not actually saying so it's not worth going around in circles...

 

[Kenith]

So most of you are saying at least 2 more characters for DLC? Even the conservative people like Burb?? Surprising. Anyone feel confident about any certain characters?
Also, let's play Sakurai Quote Madlibs: I found a Sakurai quote, and you're going to give me words to inset.
Give me:
A Verb ending with ING
Plural Noun
Name of Smashboards user
(Just make it a part of the post so we can keep the regular discussion going)

I think there will be more.
Two more that aren't selected based on the ballot though is reasonable.

Blazing
Swords
R0Y

 

[Substitution]

T
I think you're missing the point. Ryu is a far more iconic character to Sony platforms (with approximately 5 times the number of games on PS), with a great deal more success than Dante. By the logic of "Spyro couldn't even get into PSABR", Ryu should not be in Smash either.

...No. I still don't get it.
I can't wrap my head around this "SF had more games, thus, it's more iconic" argument. Because quantity =/= better chance of getting in. Heck, if that was the case, then why the Hell do we have Shulk (a character relatively new IP with one game) over other, more longer running characters?

Also, I don't see how the rules of PSABR coincide with Nintendo. The games were made by two completely different companies with two different ideals. There's really nothing to get out of comparing Ryu's chances of getting into one game or another.

 

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It's really apples and oranges. Spyro =/= Inferno Dragon. The two situations are only vaguely similar.

Anyway, people clearly don't agree, and/or are completely taking what I'm saying to mean something that I'm not actually saying so it's not worth going around in circles...

How are they only vaguely similar?

Most of the collaborations mentioned in that post are bigger than the Skylanders one. Spyro is a bigger name in gaming than the characters suggested, but if Skylanders getting two Nintendo characters that won't even appear in-game if you don't want them to somehow boosts Spyro's chances, then SMT and Fire Emblem getting a full crossover game together boosts Jack Frost's and makes him a "frontrunner" as well.