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[Luigi The President]

Really weird how Jigglypuff never received anything in these balance patches. I'm gonna be disappointed if she gets no buffs by the final balance patch.

#BuffthePuff2015

You're right, I've been playing Jiggs a lot less then a proud Jiggs main should; never noticed how few balance patches she's been included in.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Also, counters being as strong and common as they are is absurd. It's clear Smash wasn't balanced for 1v.1 play.

You have two options.

Grab.
Bait it out.

Both are very easy. Counters being that common isn't a problem because they are easy to deal with.

 

[Arcanir]

Nah, the art style goes against everything Metroid is supposed to be about. Even as a spinoff, it's wasted potential, there is no fidelity to the source material, and an obvious cash in.

Though excessive, the backlash is well justified imo. It's clear it began as a new IP and was rebranded as a Metroid spinoff for name recognition. It also doesn't help that they're not working on any mainline Metroids.

As you said, it's a spin-off, and those are allowed to have a differing artstyle from the original source. Not every game in the franchise has to have a consistent style to it and some do take deviations to better explore the area that they want to expand on. There's nothing wrong with taking a different approach, especially since the point is to not focus on the core series, but expand a separate part of its mythos.

Also, I can't and never will see backlash where people are dislike spamming videos about the content (even if it's just things like GameXplain just showing it off) and a petition calling for its complete cancellation as well justified.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Ok this is weird, now the UK movies page is busted.

Still, could be nothing, they may just be fixing the American page and the others have to suffer as a result.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

You have two options.

Grab.
Bait it out.

Both are very easy. Counters being that common isn't a problem because they are easy to deal with.

When it comes to baiting, Flare Blade is my favourite method. It becomes very tense on both sides imo. Then they counter too early...BAM! One stock gone

 

[Deleted member]

*Was planned 10 years ago
*Meant for emphasis on GF so they are more than the feds

lol, counters have been multipliers since Roy in Melee iirc

I haven't been following news on the game since reveal since I don't care for it in the slightest.

And it being planned 10 years ago doesn't excuse the childish art direction. I'm fine with a game about the GF, but I expected Aliens and instead got Chibi garbage.

And counters couldn't kill as easily as they can now. Roy's counter, with rage can kill Rosalina at 35% from a Utilt. If you think losing a match like that is balanced then I'm afraid you're mistaken.

 

[Captain Fun]

Ok this is weird, now the UK movies page is busted.

Works fine for me.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I haven't been following news on the game since reveal since I don't care for it in the slightest.

And it being planned 10 years ago doesn't excuse the childish art direction. I'm fine with a game about the GF, but I expected Aliens and instead got Chibi garbage.

And counters couldn't kill as easily as they can now. Roy's counter, with rage can kill Rosalina at 35% from a Utilt. If you think losing a match like that is balanced then I'm afraid you're mistaken.

No, but the fact it's a spinoff DOES justify the art direction.

lol Roy's multiplier is literally the worst in Sm4sh. Either you're thinking of Hyper Monado Smash Power Vision Shulk, or you're lying

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Works fine for me.

It came back for me too. Probably just the usual webweb jabber that happens.

 

[Deleted member]

When it comes to baiting, Flare Blade is my favourite method. It becomes very tense on both sides imo. Then they counter too early...BAM! One stock gone

Best is when you time it wrong and your counter deactivafes just as it reaches full charge

 

[Luigi The President]

I haven't been following news on the game since reveal since I don't care for it in the slightest.

And it being planned 10 years ago doesn't excuse the childish art direction. I'm fine with a game about the GF, but I expected Aliens and instead got Chibi garbage.

And counters couldn't kill as easily as they can now. Roy's counter, with rage can kill Rosalina at 35% from a Utilt. If you think losing a match like that is balanced then I'm afraid you're mistaken.

...Federation Force is...chibi garbage? Can you repeat that? It doesn't look chibi to me at ALL.

Also do you seriously think one attack makes a game unbalanced?

 

[Kenith]

Zelda is a really bad example, she has been getting regularly buffed in the patching, and Smash 4's patching in general has been attentive to percieved low tiers. The only largely-considered low tiers who have been untouched in patches are Jigglypuff (whose case is very low-profile and not many people really complain about), and King Dedede (who the Japanese still rank mid tier in their tier lists for whatever reason, and while a lot of people here been ranking him at the bottom, it still has yet to be universal).

I know, bu I couldn't think of any...actually examples off the top of my head. I do know Jigglypuff is not touched tho...I hear Jigglypuff players complaining about this a lot.

 

[Deleted member]

As you said, it's a spin-off, and those are allowed to have a differing artstyle from the original source. Not every game in the franchise has to have a consistent style to it and some do take deviations to better explore the area that they want to expand on. There's nothing wrong with taking a different approach, especially since the point is to not focus on the core series, but expand a separate part of its mythos.

Also, I can't and never will see backlash where people are dislike spamming videos about the content (even if it's just things like GameXplain just showing it off) and a petition calling for its complete cancellation as well justified.

None of which would be an issue if Nintendo was actually working on a genuine Metroid game alongside the spinoff. But instead, Dread and other projects have been cancelled, and the first news we get is FF. And adding fuel to the fire, no Metroid is being worked on for NX either.

Not saying I agree with the petition, I'll simply vote with my wallet, but I can understand why fans are outraged.

 

[Deleted member]

No, but the fact it's a spinoff DOES justify the art direction.

lol Roy's multiplier is literally the worst in Sm4sh. Either you're thinking of Hyper Monado Smash Power Vision Shulk, or you're lying

Actually, Roy has the strongest(default) counter in the game
His multiplier is 1.35x with Shulk's being 1.3x
Marth and Lucina's are 1.1x
Ike is 1.2x iirc
Lucario and Greninja have set damage with Lucario increasing as Aura builds up
Don't know how Toad Shield and Mac's work
And I'm probably forgetting someone

And as a sidenote, it's funny seeing you defend Federation Force

 

[Opossum]

...Federation Force is...chibi garbage? Can you repeat that? It doesn't look chibi to me at ALL.

Also do you seriously think one attack makes a game unbalanced?

Just saying, by comparison to other games in the series, the character designs are much more chibi-fied.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I know, bu I couldn't think of any...actually examples off the top of my head. I do know Jigglypuff is not touched tho...I hear Jigglypuff players complaining about this a lot.

Odd. I'd be happy if no one touches my puffs AMIRIGHT LADIES

 

[Swamp Sensei]

None of which would be an issue if Nintendo was actually working on a genuine Metroid game alongside the spinoff. But instead, Dread and other projects have been cancelled, and the first news we get is FF. And adding fuel to the fire, no Metroid is being worked on for NX either.

Not saying I agree with the petition, I'll simply vote with my wallet, but I can understand why fans are outraged.

You know Federation Force is a set up to Prime 4 right?

 

[Omega Tyrant]

I disagree, there are a lot of dumb design choices when it comes to character balance, making for a lot of annoying fights. Roy, L.Mac, and Sonic come to mind.

Also, counters being as strong and common as they are is absurd. It's clear Smash wasn't balanced for 1v.1 play.

"Roy"

"Little Mac"

"Also, counters being as strong and common as they are is absurd"

It simply sounds like you need to, as they say, "git gud"

 

[Das Koopa]

Annnnd Seagull joe was put out 3-1 in Top 16.

 

[Luigi The President]

Just saying, by comparison to other games in the series, the character designs are much more chibi-fied.

Oh. Alright.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Actually, Roy has the strongest(default) counter in the game
His multiplier is 3.5x with Shulk's being 3.0x
Marth and Lucina's are 1.1x
Ike is 1.3x iirc
Lucario and Greninja have set damage with Lucario increasing as Aura builds up
Don't know how Toad Shield works
And I'm probably forgetting someone

And as a sidenote, it's funny seeing you defend Federation Force

I remember reading that Roy had the worst

I WILL defend **** I don't like if the arguments are poor

 

[Deleted member]

...Federation Force is...chibi garbage? Can you repeat that? It doesn't look chibi to me at ALL.

Also do you seriously think one attack makes a game unbalanced?

Please, it's more than one attack.

But it's unbalanced since it makes it clear the game was balanced for FFAs where KOs are more commonplace. As such, there are a lot of random elements that are frustrating for 1v1 play. Sakurai has said himself he doesn't see Smash as a competitive fighter, I don't know why you're arguing with me.

Yes, you can play it competitively, but that doesn't immediately fix all the elements in the game that disrupt that sort of play. A lot of characters have moves and elements that are not meant for 1v1.

 

[Fenriraga]

Annnnd Seagull joe was put out 3-1 in Top 16.

RIP ZeRo killer. Fly away, my graceful seagull. Be free.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Please, it's more than one attack.

But it's unbalanced since it makes it clear the game was balanced for FFAs where KOs are more commonplace. As such, there are a lot of random elements that are frustrating for 1v1 play. Sakurai has said himself he doesn't see Smash as a competitive fighter, I don't know why you're arguing with me.

Yes, you can play it competitively, but that doesn't immediately fix all the elements in the game that disrupt that sort of play. A lot of characters have moves and elements that are not meant for 1v1.

Sakurai ALSO said in a Famitsu colomn that some characters are better depending if you're playing FFA or 1v1

 

[Deleted member]

I remember reading that Roy had the worst

I WILL defend **** I don't like if the arguments are poor

It can be considered the worst because of how slow it is and the plus 0.05 from Shulk's 1.3x is not worth it when Vision has the longest active frames

I know, just saying it's ironic, not something you see everyday

 

[Deleted member]

You know Federation Force is a set up to Prime 4 right?

Nope, as I said, I have zero interest in the game. And if FF is a sign of things to come, then I have little faith in Prime 4.

I'll withold judgement on Prime 4 till I see a trailer, but as it stands...

 

[Kenith]

Odd. I'd be happy if no one touches my puffs AMIRIGHT LADIES

What puffs, Ryuga?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

It can be considered the worst because of how slow it is and the plus 0.05 from Shulk's 1.3x is not worth it when Vision has the longest active frames

I know, just saying it's ironic, not something you see everyday

Not to mention you can multiply Shulk's power with the Monando

Next you'll be dumbstruck when I tear Kamen Rider a new one

 

[A Distant Demon]

Actually, Roy has the strongest(default)
And I'm probably forgetting someone

Palutena. Who wins the award for worst counter hit box at least

 

[Deleted member]

Sakurai ALSO said in a Famitsu colomn that some characters are better depending if you're playing FFA or 1v1

Yeah, some characters. Not all, ergo, the game isn't properly balanced.

"Roy"

"Little Mac"

"Also, counters being as strong and common as they are is absurd"

It simply sounds like you need to, as they say, "git gud"

We can play if you want. I'll probably beat you. Spouting 4chan memes at me isn't gonna make my statement wrong. Perhaps you should play other fighters.

 

[Khoru]

You know Federation Force is a set up to Prime 4 right?

it's a set up insofar as "we might do it"

 

[Swamp Sensei]

We can play if you want. I'll probably beat you. Spouting 4chan memes at me isn't gonna make my statement wrong. Perhaps you should play other fighters.

Like those pics you posted while trolling amirite?

 

[Frostwraith]

Smash overall seems more designed for FFAs. Sakurai doesn't design the game primarily for 1v1 fights.

Ganondorf is a good example of character that may not do that well on 1v1 but is a beast in FFAs, the game itself claiming so.

 

[Omega Tyrant]

Yeah, some characters. Not all, ergo, the game isn't properly balanced.


We can play if you want. I'll probably beat you. Spouting 4chan memes at me isn't gonna make my statement wrong. Perhaps you should play other fighters.

People figured out Little Mac 10 months ago, most remotely-competent people are catching on that Roy was overhyped as hell and a strong f-smash doesn't make a character good, and counters are the easiest **** in the game to beat; just grab or bait them. If you are losing to these things, you are simply a bad player with a severe lack of fundamentals.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Yeah, some characters. Not all, ergo, the game isn't properly balanced.


We can play if you want. I'll probably beat you. Spouting 4chan memes at me isn't gonna make my statement wrong. Perhaps you should play other fighters.

The column said some characters are better in 1v1 meaning your claim it's focused entirely on FFA was invalid. Not to mention there's a reason we're getting balance patches

Saying 'I'll probably beat you' is worse than saying git gud, not to mention most fighters play differently and there's nothing that replicates Smash well enough, though Rivals of Aether looks pretty close

 

[Deleted member]

Palutena. Who wins the award for worst counter hit box at least

Nah, she just has Anime Character syndrome
Rule #1 in battles:
Don't tell your opponents what move you're about to use unless extremely necessary

 

[Champ Gold]

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[Wario Bros.]

Federation Force looks really fun, personally.

I love Next Level Games' work on Punch-Out!! Wii & Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon so I trust them on this.

 

[Deleted member]

Here's how I rank the counters in the whole game

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*Little Mac counters a move coming from out of the stage*
Uh, yeah, "good"

 

[Kenith]

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Is Shulk's really that good? I thought Little Mac's was by far the best.
What about customs?