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Huh... interesting.
Companies are apparently starting to combine the Wii U/3DS products in one section under a huge Nintendo banner. Now, this is nothing new. But the kicker is some of the characters (namely Pikachu and Link) are using original renders made for that specific purpose. This really doesn't mean anything, but it's pretty cool nonetheless.
 

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so intresting maro maker discovery when yoshi spits out a dry bones its shoots out 3 bones in a a spread pattern
 
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So for whatever reason Nikki, the Splatoon data miner, is claiming there will be a direct on the 14th for some reason

There was a problem fetching the tweet

I have absolutely no idea how a data miner would have info on a direct.
 
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So for whatever reason Nikki, the Splatoon data miner, is claiming there will be a direct on the 14th for some reason

There was a problem fetching the tweet
How could you figure out that from data mining?
 

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Here's an idea for Shovel Knight, what if he had moves based on many other indie games?
Perhaps giving Shovel Knight the Polar Star from Cave Story for a U-Air or giving Shovel Knight a few of the dances from Shantae as taunts, or giving him Max's gun from Mutant Mudds. I think that's the only way I could accept Shovel Knight as a character more TBH, a little bit of everything we like about indie games.
 

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So for whatever reason Nikki, the Splatoon data miner, is claiming there will be a direct on the 14th for some reason

There was a problem fetching the tweet

I have absolutely no idea how a data miner would have info on a direct.
Thats just it, They wouldn't have info on one at all

Sounds like they are talking out of their ass to me
 
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So for whatever reason Nikki, the Splatoon data miner, is claiming there will be a direct on the 14th for some reason

There was a problem fetching the tweet

I have absolutely no idea how a data miner would have info on a direct.
Err... what's the context here?
 

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Here's an idea for Shovel Knight, what if he had moves based on many other indie games?
Perhaps giving Shovel Knight the Polar Star from Cave Story for a U-Air or giving Shovel Knight a few of the dances from Shantae as taunts, or giving him Max's gun from Mutant Mudds. I think that's the only way I could accept Shovel Knight as a character more TBH, a little bit of everything we like about indie games.
That'd be awful, IMO. He's got enough on his own to work with. He doesn't need to be "indie incarnate" at all...
 

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I'm confused how a dataminer would have that knowledge as well.

Also if there is a direct on that date it kind of hurts the chances of us getting anything major Smash wise on the 30th in my opinion.
 
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So for whatever reason Nikki, the Splatoon data miner, is claiming there will be a direct on the 14th for some reason

There was a problem fetching the tweet

I have absolutely no idea how a data miner would have info on a direct.
Yeeaaahhh, I dunno tbh.

I believe that there will be one soon, but for a data miner to have that info? Yeah right lol.

I'll be waiting for a source first and foremost.
 

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That'd be awful, IMO. He's got enough on his own to work with. He doesn't need to be "indie incarnate" at all...
Personally, I think the concept of a shovel weapon is really lacking in uniqueness. Not much can be done with a shovel besides digging for treasure to make for a separate playstyle. Which is why I came up with concept of him using other moves from other indie games.
 

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The only way I can see a dataminer knowing that is if they literally labeled certain weapon/map files as "TBA8-13" or something similar.
 

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I for one think a shovel has a ton of potential as a weapon. It's one of the main reasons I'm okay with Butt Butt joining the fray.
 
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Here's an idea for Shovel Knight, what if he had moves based on many other indie games?
Perhaps giving Shovel Knight the Polar Star from Cave Story for a U-Air or giving Shovel Knight a few of the dances from Shantae as taunts, or giving him Max's gun from Mutant Mudds. I think that's the only way I could accept Shovel Knight as a character more TBH, a little bit of everything we like about indie games.
That would be terrible
You would basically have a character that looks like SK but doesn't play like him
If it was something like getting moves from a similar game(despite being unnecessary), I could try to understand but giving him moves from other character just because they're "indie" makes no sense
Indies don't share anything besides the fact they are, well, small independent companies
It would be like having Mario using Sonic's moves
 

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The only way I can see a dataminer knowing that is if they literally labeled certain weapon/map files as "TBA8-13" or something similar.
That doesn't really equate to a direct though. That could easily just be an announcement made on the 13th for that game alone.
 
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Personally, I think the concept of a shovel weapon is really lacking in uniqueness. Not much can be done with a shovel besides digging for treasure to make for a separate playstyle. Which is why I came up with concept of him using other moves from other indie games.
Doesn't he have magic and other weapons from the relics? I know he has a dash dagger or some kind of move to do a charge attack. (EDIT it's called the propeller dagger.) Pretty sure he isn't limited to just shoveling.

Even then making him a pure "rep" is a really bad idea. Not only does it not make any sense but there is no good reason for him to be "repping" things. . .
 
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Personally, I think the concept of a shovel weapon is really lacking in uniqueness. Not much can be done with a shovel besides digging for treasure to make for a separate playstyle. Which is why I came up with concept of him using other moves from other indie games.
That's the epitome of the whole "rep" fallacy put into a character.

It's at that point where all of his entire character is stripped away. He'd no longer be Shovel Knight. He'd be "Indie Rep" and nothing more. Plus I can't see Yacht Club Games agreeing to that at all, and for good reason. "Yeah, we want Shovel Knight in Smash Bros. But don't worry! He'll be using things that aren't even in his game, or even his company!"

There's no good reason to do it. Uniqueness for uniqueness' sake isn't right in this case. You don't see Greninja going around using a sentry-styled moveset borrowed from the TF2 Engineer just because we already have Sheik as a ninja, after all...
 
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Personally, I think the concept of a shovel weapon is really lacking in uniqueness. Not much can be done with a shovel besides digging for treasure to make for a separate playstyle. Which is why I came up with concept of him using other moves from other indie games.
Change the word "Shovel" for "Sword"
Read your post
Then tell me if it sounds familiar
 

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If I post a picture and don't black out god damn, I'm not censor dodging, right?
As a general rule, if it's not censored on the site, it's a safe bet. In this case, since it didn't get auto censored when you wrote it out, it's fine.
 

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Personally, I think the concept of a shovel weapon is really lacking in uniqueness. Not much can be done with a shovel besides digging for treasure to make for a separate playstyle. Which is why I came up with concept of him using other moves from other indie games.
I think you forgot the relicts he could use
 

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Nikki doesn't know when the direct is, she's making a guess (which she clarifies on her Twitter).
There was a problem fetching the tweet
There was a problem fetching the tweet
 
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Then tell me what the shovel can do make it stand out from other characters besides grounding opponents.
Pogo stick is one of his signature moves for god's sake
He also has a bunch of relics he can use
Plus, he could borrow moves from the other Knights, like Propeller Knight's thrusting attack or Specter Knight's slash attack
 
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C'mon people, no one's cleared this level in 100+ attempts!
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If you need help beating any of the puzzles, here's my first successful playthrough (from the original version of the stage, but the second part is the only one that's different, and the same strategy works).
 

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Then tell me what the shovel can do make it stand out from other characters besides grounding opponents.
Have you played Shovel Knight? Serious question, since Shovel Knight has more than just the Shovel.

First of all, its a Shovel. Period. Thats pretty **** unique if you ask me. "But all the Shovel can do is poke and bury people." Swords can poke people too y'know. And how many of those do we have? The Shovel can also be worked around burying opponents and tossing dirt/etc from the ground. Besides, Shovel Knight has an array of relics that will make him stand out as much as Link. This aint no simple gardening. The man who wields a shovel is the one who'll be digging your grave.
 

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Sakurai will make Shovel Knight work. (if he's playable.)

That is all.
 
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Nikki doesn't know when the direct is, she's making a guess (which she clarifies on her Twitter).
There was a problem fetching the tweet
There was a problem fetching the tweet

There was a problem fetching the tweet

So it's nothing, then.

Also read her timeline and you will see to not take much of what she says seriously.
 

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Shovel Knight has no business taking moves from other indie characters because
  • He has more than enough from his own game to pull from
  • Shovel Knight isn't this huge juggernaut of indie characters (hell, no one is, there's no such thing as The Indie Character™)
Him taking moves from other indie characters isn't really reasonable in the slightest.
 

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Shovel Knight's like one of the LAST characters I'd expect to be called "not unique enough".
 

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Pogo stick is one of his sogbature moves for god's sake.
He also has a bunch of relics he can use
Plus, he could borrow moves from the other Knights, like Propeller Knight's thrusting attack or Specter Knight's slash attack
Aside from just bouncing on the opponent, does it really make a distinguishable playstyle?
You have someone like the Shulk who can use the Monado to change into different art forms or Rosalina being able to command Luma with her wand as the mother of cosmos. Shovel Knight's shovel, is just a shovel, what special attributes does the shovel have? It's part of the reason why I think Sakurai will pull a few moves from other indies to make him a bit more distinct as a fighter in addition to his shovel.

Have you played Shovel Knight? Serious question, since Shovel Knight has more than just the Shovel.

First of all, its a Shovel. Period. Thats pretty **** unique if you ask me. "But all the Shovel can do is poke and bury people." Swords can poke people too y'know. And how many of those do we have? The Shovel can also be worked around burying opponents and tossing dirt/etc from the ground. Besides, Shovel Knight has an array of relics that will make him stand out as much as Link. This aint no simple gardening. The man who wields a shovel is the one who'll be digging your grave.
For the record, I already played through the whole game of Shovel Knight and I am a big of supporter of Shovel Knight myself with its accomplishment of being the best retro-esque game I played, I think people are over exaggerating what Shovel Knight can offer when it comes to just his shovel.
 
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Have you even played Shovel Knight? You can't really say a character's not unique if you haven't even played their games.



Could you stop bringing this up, please?

I'm not the one starting flame wars, you are.
Cmon guys, lets drop this before it goes any further.

Were having a nice time discussing Butt Butt

For the record, I already played through the whole game of Shovel Knight and I am a big of supporter of Shovel Knight myself with its accomplishment of being the best retro-esque game I played, I think people are over exaggerating what Shovel Knight can offer when it comes to just his shovel.
Thats awesome! Shovel Knight is an amazing game and I applaud anyone who plays it and enjoys it.

Back onto my topic, Shovel Knight doesnt need to be centered on just the Shovel. Most sword users have more weapons or attacks at their command than just their Sword. (Ex, Link with Bombs, Ike with Aether, Meta Knight with Mach Tornado). Its not always the main weapon that makes someone unique, but rather the main weapon and their sub weapons that really adds some flavor to their moveset.
 
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