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[Deleted member]

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[BluePikmin11]

He's just lacking the "icon/worthiness" of the other 3rd party characters...but we probably need to let go of that notion (especially if he is in...).

Agreed, it's better to be more open about it. I don't want to be ranting about how Smash has lost its charm just because a non iconic character is in, I have a feeling these rants will be inevitable to happen and be big and continuous.

 

[Z25]

Bowser Jr. and Villager were both on my radar for Brawl. I do wish the forks were replaced with the paintbrush though. Like, why a fork..?

He's hungry for destruction, since he wasn't in Brawl


And Happy Birthday @ PushDustIn Hope it's a good one! Also great article!

You and me are going to be good friends Tama!

 

[Frostwraith]

@SuperSegaSonicSS There was a Ryu thread before the data mining. There was also a general Street Fighter character discussion/speculation thread.

On the subject of Final Smashes, there are plenty of them that involve transformations:
Bowser -> Giga Bowser
Bowser Jr. -> Shadow Mario
Wario -> Wario-Man
Ganondorf -> Ganon
Charizard -> Mega Charizard X
Lucario -> Mega Lucario
Mewtwo -> Mega Mewtwo Y
Mr. Game & Watch -> Octopus
Little Mac -> Giga Mac
Sonic -> Super Sonic

Bowser Jr. and Villager were both on my radar for Brawl. I do wish the forks were replaced with the paintbrush though. Like, why a fork..?

Don't know. It's kinda funny, though.

At the very least, we get this:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MortonsFork

 

[Deleted member]

I do wish the forks were replaced with the paintbrush though. Like, why a fork..?

For the same reason why the Clown Car has a tongue to lick you with; it's a Swiss Army Knife of pure silliness.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MortonsFork

DAMMIT I WAS GOING TO MAKE THAT JOKE BUT DIDN'T THINK THERE WAS AN IMAGE OF MORTON USING THE FORK

 

[egaddmario]

@SuperSegaSonicSS There was a Ryu thread before the data mining. There was also a general Street Fighter character discussion/speculation thread.

On the subject of Final Smashes, there are plenty of them that involve transformations:
Bowser -> Giga Bowser
Bowser Jr. -> Shadow Mario
Wario -> Wario-Man
Ganondorf -> Ganon
Charizard -> Mega Charizard X
Lucario -> Mega Lucario
Mewtwo -> Mega Mewtwo Y
Mr. Game & Watch -> Octopus
Little Mac -> Giga Mac
Sonic -> Super Sonic


Don't know. It's kinda funny, though.

At the very least, we get this:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MortonsFork

You forgot Yoshi -> Yoshi with wings and fire

 

[SuperMii3D]

You forgot Yoshi -> Yoshi with wings and fire

Aptly called Dragon Yoshi

 

[Frostwraith]

You forgot Yoshi -> Yoshi with wings and fire

I actually remembered that one but I feel he didn't have a distinct identity, unlike the others.

But yeah, I guess it counts too.

 

[A Distant Demon]

Number 6

Phendrana Drifts
Metroid Prime​

Congratulations. You have selected my favorite track in all of gaming.
I now officially applaud your taste in music.
Now if only it was in smash :/

 

[MasterofMonster]

Happy Birthday, Pushy! The stripper should arrive to your hotel room in mere minutes. She brought the whip-

*banned*

Ahem. So. South Park Season 19 finally starting. :D I have missed it.

 

[Champ Gold]

Ono's hinting at another fighter.


This time, I have no idea who it is and I doubt it's Karin

 

[Substitution]

Ono's hinting at another fighter.


This time, I have no idea who it is and I doubt it's Karin

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Jesus! Who knew Toy Blanka was so OP.

 

[Deleted member]

I actually remembered that one but I feel he didn't have a distinct identity, unlike the others.

But yeah, I guess it counts too.

It's technically Yoshi using the Multi Colored Shell from SMW

 

[Strofirko]

This music is amazing:

Spoiler

It relly reflects modern songs and likes of the year 20XX.

The dead horse has been beaten

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Yay, I actually didn't miss anything while I was sleeping this time. Praise be to Ankha!

 

[NintenZ]

I just reported a thread.

So what's going on here? :3

 

[Deleted member]

I just reported a thread.

So what's going on here? :3

Wait, you can do that?
*reports this thread*

 

[Chandeelure]

It's technically Yoshi using the Multi Colored Shell from SMW

And Charizard's Final Smash is just Charizard using the Mega Stone, it's still a transformation.

He also forgot Kirby -> Ultra Sword Kirby

 

[Tree Gelbman]

You know there are a lot of worlds I want for Kingdom Hearts and not a one of them is a live action Disney movie, but then as Halloween approaches it hit me...

Do. It.

Just do it.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

For the Iconic argument, Shovel Knight is an indie icon but that's like saying I'm the best Smash player in my house. It may be true but in the grand scheme, it doesn't mean much.

Of the present third parties:

Metal Gear is the iconic stealth game and the iconic "I actually want to make movies" game
Mega Man is iconic of the old school platform shooter. (and Capcom's sequalitis)
Sonic is iconic of the 90's console war and the decade in general
Pac-Man is THE arcade game
Street Fighter (2) is the grand daddy of all fighting games.

As much as I like Shantae, she isn't an icon. What series/characters from non-Nintendo games would you consider iconic?

 

[Opossum]

For the Iconic argument, Shovel Knight is an indie icon but that's like saying I'm the best Smash player in my house. It may be true but in the grand scheme, it doesn't mean much.

Of the present third parties:

Metal Gear is the iconic stealth game and the iconic "I actually want to make movies" game
Mega Man is iconic of the old school platform shooter. (and Capcom's sequalitis)
Sonic is iconic of the 90's console war and the decade in general
Pac-Man is THE arcade game
Street Fighter (2) is the grand daddy of all fighting games.

As much as I like Shantae, she isn't an icon. What series/characters from non-Nintendo games would you consider iconic?

The thing now is that most of the 3rd parties I consider icons are either impossible due to Sakurai reasons, impossible due to ownership, already in the game, highly unlikely, or Snake.

 

[NintenZ]

For the Iconic argument, Shovel Knight is an indie icon but that's like saying I'm the best Smash player in my house. It may be true but in the grand scheme, it doesn't mean much.

Of the present third parties:

Metal Gear is the iconic stealth game and the iconic "I actually want to make movies" game
Mega Man is iconic of the old school platform shooter. (and Capcom's sequalitis)
Sonic is iconic of the 90's console war and the decade in general
Pac-Man is THE arcade game
Street Fighter (2) is the grand daddy of all fighting games.

As much as I like Shantae, she isn't an icon. What series/characters from non-Nintendo games would you consider iconic?

She's not iconic, but she is in terms of indie characters.

 

[Schnee117]

She's not iconic, but she is in terms of indie characters.

But again like Shovel Knight that doesn't mean a whole lot.

 

[egaddmario]

I wish Mario Maker got Shulk's english voice. It's such a shame he's only able to speak Japanese.

 

[Opossum]

She's not iconic, but she is in terms of indie characters.

Isn't that like one of those "world's tallest ******" situations?

 

[Frostwraith]

I wish Mario Maker got Shulk's english voice. It's such a shame he's only able to speak Japanese.

Nothing wrong with keeping his Japanese clips.

Not like he talks a lot in Mario Maker, so I think it's not a big deal.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Anyway, the other characters I consider iconic and their likelihood thereof

Final Fantasy: Hugely iconic series but the most iconic character, Cloud, is more associated with Sony. A possible "generic" one like Black Mage, Chocobo or Moogle is possible.
Tomb Raider: Lara is an early 3D gaming icon. But if PSASBR couldn't get her then...
Spyro and Crash: See above.
Castevania: Iconic for both the stupid hard originals and the -vania half of Metroidvania. Main Problem: Konami
Bomberman: Multiplayer focused Icon. See above for Problem
Tekken: Premier 3D fighter. Sakurai already turned down due to difficulty of translating movesets.
Chun-li: First Lady of Fighting games. Possible but there's the semi-official 1 per franchise rule.
Rayman: Before Assassin's Creed and the psychotic Rabbids this was Ubisoft's golden boy. Was France's mascot at the World Cup. Already a trophy so...

 

[Burb]

Chun-li: First Lady of Fighting games. Possible but there's the semi-official 1 per franchise rule.

It's not semi-official, it's just an assumption. Much like the "one rep per company" belief that Ryu Shoryuken'ed out of existence.

I say this a lot, but if they were to add a second Sega character to Smash, I'm 100% certain it would be another Sonic character.

 

[Captain Fun]

She's not iconic, but she is in terms of indie characters.

Eh, not even as much as SK, as far as sales are concerned. I like Shantae's games, but she's a niche within a niche.

 

[NintenZ]

Eh, not even as much as SK, as far as sales are concerned. I like Shantae's games, but she's a niche within a niche.

So she's a commercial bomb?

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

I wonder how Sakurai feels about 3rd party characters that only appear in a few games from thier franchise. Mainly Simon Belmont and Cloud Strife.

 

[Zhadgon]

For the Iconic argument, Shovel Knight is an indie icon but that's like saying I'm the best Smash player in my house. It may be true but in the grand scheme, it doesn't mean much.

Of the present third parties:

Metal Gear is the iconic stealth game and the iconic "I actually want to make movies" game
Mega Man is iconic of the old school platform shooter. (and Capcom's sequalitis)
Sonic is iconic of the 90's console war and the decade in general
Pac-Man is THE arcade game
Street Fighter (2) is the grand daddy of all fighting games.

As much as I like Shantae, she isn't an icon. What series/characters from non-Nintendo games would you consider iconic?

Bomberman: is one of the old school iconic characters left, he made the puzzle-action genre a thing and become a standard for multiplayer games, his evolution has been gradually different getting into more styles of mechanics and gameplay but always keeping the puzzle-action as base and focus, we need to count that he is pretty old too going as far as 1983.

Simon Belmont: Castlevania is one of the oldest and more known series, taking different approaches and many genres even creating with Metroid the Metroidvania style that many games of today still use because of its solid base and mechanics, Simon Belmont is like Marth for Fire Emblem, the main protagonist of the first entry of the series making him an icon and a legend in its universe, its the best representative of Castlevania.

Ryu Hayabusa: Another old school icon in the same veins of Snake, Link, Samus, etc., very difficult action games with the most polished combat system and mechanics making it the standard and the epitome of the action genre (some people and a lot of critics say that the Ninja Gaiden games are the best in that regard).
Ninja Gaiden is to action, what Mario is to plataforming, Metal Gear is to stealth, etc., each of them are the best of the best in their particular field.

Other icons in not particular order of importance;

Prince - Prince of Persia
Chocobo, Moogle, Black Mage, Cloud Strife, Sephirot - Final Fantasy
Slime - Dragon Quest
Lara Croft - Tomb Rider
Spyro - Spyro
Crash - Crash Bandicoot
Rayman - Rayman
Gordon Freeman - Half-Life
Leon Kennedy, Jill Valentine, Chris Redfield, Albert Wesker - Resident Evil
Dante - Devil May Cry
Duke Nukem - Duke Nukem
Marine - Doom
Agent 47 - Hitman
Illidan Stormrage - World of Warcraft
Sarah Kerrigan - StarCraft

Edited; with more characters.

.n_n.

 

[Captain Fun]

So she's a commercial bomb?

I wouldn't say that, but in terms of sales, it's not all that unlikely that Shovel Knight is outselling the entire Shantae series.

 

[NintenZ]

I wouldn't say that, but in terms of sales, it's not all that unlikely that Shovel Knight is outselling the entire Shantae series.

Well I am, she's had more games an publicity than Shovel Knight. She's practially "THE" indie character.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Shantae (besides maybe the first game) is a successful series but it's hard to find sales numbers.

 

[Captain Fun]

Well I am, she's had more games an publicity than Shovel Knight. She's practially "THE" indie character.

Outside of the Smash fanbase? Not really.

 

[MasterofMonster]

I'd actually be fine with another Sonic Rep. Who would you guys want, and why?

Tails
Knuckles
Shadow
Metal Sonic
Eggman
Amy

I'd say Tails is the 'most worthy', but I'd love me a playable Eggman.

 

[Substitution]

I don't know if I could safely say one popular indie could outsell an entire series combined. Even if Shantae was a cult hit with her first game, there is strength in numbers after all.

 

[Z25]

I'm still in the boat that shovel knight is more iconic then shantae even with one game. He's in more crossovers then her( and she isn't in what is literally a game filled with indie characters.), his game already has more support from Nintendo and his name is getting out there. Hell the rumor alone, I would say has gotten his name out to casual gamers enough. Not to mention the fact he has his own amiibo, and launched on Nintendo systems first. In my opinion, Shovel knight is much better then shantae for smash as his company has more of a presence/ connection with NIntendo then she has had. Shovel Knight also is usually ranked higher in the ballot then her and is clearly known by the higher ups at Nintendo and even Sakurai I'm sure.

 

[Opossum]

I'd actually be fine with another Sonic Rep. Who would you guys want, and why?

Tails
Knuckles
Shadow
Metal Sonic
Eggman
Amy

I'd say Tails is the 'most worthy', but I'd love me a playable Eggman.

I'd LOVE it if Eggman were playable; he'd be the only additional Sonic character I'd be happy about getting. Though to be fair Tails would be more likely, and I'm pretty neutral on him.

Tomb Raider: Lara is an early 3D gaming icon. But if PSASBR couldn't get her then...

Fun fact: the reason PSASBR couldn't get her came down to timing and timing only. Square Enix wanted the first appearance of Lara's new look to be in the Tomb Raider reboot, understandably enough. Gotta build the reboot brand and such. If PSASBR came out like, six months later, she would have been in. She was probably planned as DLC too, honestly, but due to the situation with Superbot, post-Zeus and Isaac Clarke DLC plans were basically cancelled (this is also why Dart didn't make it. They outright said he was planned as DLC).

That being said, realistic firearm reliance would keep her out of Smash anyway.