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[Deleted member]

You don't have to buy the console for one character, because one character is not that big of a deal. They are not supposed to he identical packages. They have different modes, stages, and no cross play.

Roster parity should be strived for, but if it can not be achieved do to technical limitations, than I see no reason why the more powerful system should be stripped of content.

If one character is not that big of a deal, then why is it such a big deal that they aren't in the game?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I disagree on console exclusive' 'characters because A: The Wii U is stronger meaning it makes no sense for 3DS exclusives. B: The 3DS version is the best selling Smash game and sold much better than the Wii U version, 3DS owners without the Wii U version wouldn't be happy with how they get less. C: Console exclusive stuff is dumb unless it's something like 'Play as Kratos in this fighting game on the PS3 version' like MK9 did

 

[Spazzy_D]

A katana wielding character would be perfect for this
You thinking the same as me?
Hope so

Spoiler

Are you seriously trying to justify that?
The reason theh released it for the 3DS version is because of its higher user base.
No one has to buy anything, but people bought the 3DS and the 3DS version of Smash already because that's what they had money for, how is it fair that they receive a completely inferior version of the game?
Having an exclusive character is literally rubbing in their faces they don't have the "superior" version
Also, don't act like buying a video game is cheap or simple
It's an entertainment device and not somthing someone would NEED that they have to outprioritize NECESSARY costs
Also, £120 is a lot just for someone to play another character
Pounds are worth a lot
And also, don't act like this is an universal price
Wii U is $300 in North America
Can I tell you how much it costs in my country?
And the game costs $60, in total that's $360 just to be able to play another character

How is it unfair if the 3DS version of the game is the best possible version of the game that Nintendo could produce on the console? Isn't it more unfair that Nintendo would release a version of the game on Wii U that's not as good as it could be just to maintain parity on games that aren't identical as is?

 

[Kenith]

I disagree on console exclusive' 'characters because A: The Wii U is stronger meaning it makes no sense for 3DS exclusives. B: The 3DS version is the best selling Smash game and sold much better than the Wii U version, 3DS owners without the Wii U version wouldn't be happy with how they get less. C: Console exclusive stuff is dumb unless it's something like 'Play as Kratos in this fighting game on the PS3 version' like MK9 did

TFW when Ice Climber was bought my Microsoft and they only allowed them on the Wii U version.

 

[TheAnvil]

Are you seriously trying to justify that?
The reason theh released it for the 3DS version is because of its higher user base.
No one has to buy anything, but people bought the 3DS and the 3DS version of Smash already because that's what they had money for, how is it fair that they receive a completely inferior version of the game?
Having an exclusive character is literally rubbing in their faces they don't have the "superior" version
Also, don't act like buying a video game is cheap or simple
It's an entertainment device and not somthing someone would NEED that they have to outprioritize NECESSARY costs
Also, £120 is a lot just for someone to play another character
Pounds are worth a lot
And also, don't act like this is an universal price
Wii U is $300 in North America
Can I tell you how much it costs in my country?
And the game costs $60, in total that's $360 just to be able to play another character

3DS IS inferior. So the fact that the 3DS version would be inferior is entirely justified, and anyone buying the 3DS version KNOWS that it's inferior to the Wii U version. They chose to buy the inferior version. That's on them.

Your entire argument reeks of 3DS bias.

Before you try and accuse me of having Wii U bias, I don't. I use my 3DS WAY more than I use my Wii U, and I have both versions. As far as Smash goes I play the Wii U version almost exclusively because the 3DS version is inferior in almost every single way already, as I expected it to be. The 3DS is a weaker system.

Who complains that Mario Kart 7 is inferior to Mario Kart 8? No one. Who complains that the 3DS version is already inferior to the Wii U version? No one.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

3DS IS inferior. So the fact that the 3DS version would be inferior is entirely justified, and anyone buying the 3DS version KNOWS that it's inferior to the Wii U version. They chose to buy the inferior version. That's on them.

Your entire argument reeks of 3DS bias.

Before you try and accuse me of having Wii U bias, I don't. I use my 3DS WAY more than I use my Wii U, and I have both versions. As far as Smash goes I play the Wii U version almost exclusively because the 3DS version is inferior in almost every single way already, as I expected it to be. The 3DS is a weaker system.

Who complains that Mario Kart 7 is inferior to Mario Kart 8? No one. Who complains that the 3DS version is already inferior to the Wii U version? No one.

As someone who didn't buy the 3DS version but has the Wii U version, the 3DS did some things better. Classic mode, Smash Run instead of Trash Tour and better stages overall

 

[Spazzy_D]

If one character is not that big of a deal, then why is it such a big deal that they aren't in the game?

I personally don't like Ice Climbers, but it's a big deal because there is no reason they shouldn't be in Smash Wii U (except for perhaps 8 player Smash.) It's not an example of holding back content on the 3DS because "it's inferior" or some such nonsense, it's an example of a possible feature that could very easily be handled on the Wii U not existing because of something that doesn't matter. Smash 3DS sales wouldn't have suffered, and honestly, if Ice Climbers did create enough buzz to sell a few more Wii Us I don't think Nintendo would have complained.

 

[Kenith]

As someone who didn't buy the 3DS version but has the Wii U version, the 3DS did some things better. Classic mode, Smash Run instead of Trash Tour and better stages overall

Pretty sure he means more from a scope and options perspective.

Who complains that Mario Kart 7 is inferior to Mario Kart 8? No one. Who complains that the 3DS version is already inferior to the Wii U version? No one.

Well...the two versions of Smash are supposed to be a pair of games...so that may not be the best example...

 

[TheAnvil]

As someone who didn't buy the 3DS version but has the Wii U version, the 3DS did some things better. Classic mode, Smash Run instead of Trash Tour and better stages overall

That's why I said almost. Though Smash Run had promise but it still fell flat IMO.

And while it has some cool stages that the Wii U doesn't have, the Wii U's stages are a better selection.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Pretty sure he means more from a scope and options perspective.


Well...the two versions of Smash are supposed to be a pair of games...so that may not be the best example...

If Anvil's saying '3DS Smash is inferior' purely because of how strong the systems are, then it's ****ing dumb. Both versions have things better than the other imo, the Wii U version was essentially a sidegrade

 

[Kenith]

FYI it's less that the 3DS version is inferior and more that 3DS is underpowered (as Nintendo consoles tend to be now).
So at the end of the day, you want to blame someone for Ice Climbers being gone? Blame Nintendo for making a weak console.

 

[Curious Villager]

I think some of you need to calm down a little.....

I personally stil enjoy playing the 3DS version (I play it often whenever I'm out and about and sometimes even at home even if the Wii U version is right there for me) and I think it did certain things better too in terms of Classic and Smash Run. And it has more or less all the core features that I personally like of the Smash series for vs mode as well.

For the Wii U version, I more or less just play vs mode on it or tinker around with stage builder from time to time. That's more or less it really. Most of the other modes don't really interest me that much. Especially Smash Tour.....

That's just me though.

 

[Deleted member]

3DS IS inferior. So the fact that the 3DS version would be inferior is entirely justified, and anyone buying the 3DS version KNOWS that it's inferior to the Wii U version. They chose to buy the inferior version. That's on them.

Your entire argument reeks of 3DS bias.

Before you try and accuse me of having Wii U bias, I don't. I use my 3DS WAY more than I use my Wii U, and I have both versions. As far as Smash goes I play the Wii U version almost exclusively because the 3DS version is inferior in almost every single way already, as I expected it to be. The 3DS is a weaker system.

Who complains that Mario Kart 7 is inferior to Mario Kart 8? No one. Who complains that the 3DS version is already inferior to the Wii U version? No one.

3DS bias?
No, I just don't like to see people claiming that others should get less because they don't have the money for another console.

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

http://gonintendo.com/stories/242539-comcept-thinking-about-the-future-of-mighty-no-9-considering-se

Jesus Inafune just release the game. It seems like every day that passes I get more turned off by MN9.

I definitely see Ice Climbers coming back if there is indeed an NX port of Smash 4.

I think people now understand why he left Capcom.

They didn't put up with this ****.

Can someone explain to me whats wrong with thinking about the next game?

If they were already development I would agree but....

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Can someone explain to me whats wrong with thinking about the next game?

If they were already development I would agree but....

It's just a straw that built the camel's back.

Planning all this stuff without actually releasing the game.

 

[Champ Gold]

How is it unfair if the 3DS version of the game is the best possible version of the game that Nintendo could produce on the console? Isn't it more unfair that Nintendo would release a version of the game on Wii U that's not as good as it could be just to maintain parity on games that aren't identical as is?

Because nobody wants to pay $350 for a struggling weak system of the console generation for one character for sake of a true roster. **** that.

They advertise this game for being Smash on go and Smash on HD with having the same roster when you're on the road or at home.

It's just one character, it ain't the goddamn end of the world. They are fans of that character, sure that is fine I like he ICs but the only reason I can have them in the game is for the full planned roster and because of veteran status. (Because if they were cut after Melee it really wouldn't matter as bad). But those fans of the character has other characters to play on a 50+ man roster of various different characters.

It they are worth it that much then take the SoPo option but the tag team gimmick is necessary to that character, not really. @Opossum said it best.


Yes, l at screw over an install base that's bigger than the WiiU and eclipsed the Wii U versions sales. And if you suggest them to be "New 3DS exclusive" then that's even worse situation since they have to buy another 3DS and ****ed the 80% of 3DS owners to buy another handheld for ONE CHARACTER.

One character from a one game they've only had and its mediocre as most NES launch titles.

 

[Soul.]

I can't believe that, in every website I go to, there always has to be people against the 3DS version. This is one of them.
Why is everyone neglecting it so much.

"3DS isn't competitive"
"3DS is inferior"
"3DS is pointless"
"Circle Pad johns"
"lol 3ds gamecube controller is better"

Look, I want Nintendo's next handheld to be as powerful as possible, perhaps on par with Wii U power, but the question is... when? When will they make a "powerful" handheld? I've always dreamt of Nintendo having a handheld that's perceived as powerful, but not "powerful" to the point that it's at an unreasonable price.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

So, did I miss any new juicy leaks?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Can someone explain to me whats wrong with thinking about the next game?

If they were already development I would agree but....

We have all this stuff planned
The game
anime
Extra DLC kickstarter
Red Ash
movie
sequel
spinoff.
THE ACTUAL GAME HAS YET TO BE RELEASED! INAFUNE, WHAT THE ACTUAL ****?

 

[TheAnvil]

3DS bias?
No, I just don't like to see people claiming that others should get less because they don't have the money for another console.

I don't understand that logic.

When a 3DS user gets their version of Mario Kart. It's inferior to the console version. Do they complain? No.

 

[Kenith]

Can someone explain to me whats wrong with thinking about the next game?

If they were already development I would agree but....

It's just a straw that built the camel's back.

Planning all this stuff without actually releasing the game.

This.
By itself it's totally okay.
But this the same guy who is planning an anime and a movie (iirc?) of a game that's not even out yet, and tried to capitalize on another canceled game with Red Ash's failed Kickstarter, which also was being held alongside an anime of that same game.
So knowing his track record he may very well HAVE a new game for Mighty No. 9 in development.

 

[Khoru]

Because nobody wants to pay $350 for a struggling weak system of the console generation for one character for sake of a true roster. **** that.

this is just me but i've been thinking a bit about getting an xbone or ps4
but there are only really two or three games on each that seem appealing at all to me
i've owned earlier consoles from both ms and sony so it's not nintendo bias or anything
but idk.
shrugs.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I don't understand that logic.

When a 3DS user gets their version of Mario Kart. It's inferior to the console version. Do they complain? No.

Except different years of release and the fact the Wii U version was a sequel to that 3DS game. That comparison doesn't work at all

 

[Spazzy_D]

Because nobody wants to pay $350 for a struggling weak system of the console generation for one character for sake of a true roster. **** that.

No one is forcing anyone to buy anything. The 3DS version of the game would be exactly the same, would it some how be worse if the Wii U had an extra character, I mean, after all:

It's just one character, it ain't the goddamn end of the world.

 

[Kenith]

Because nobody wants to pay $350 for a struggling weak system of the console generation for one character for sake of a true roster. **** that.

Exactly. Which is why they wouldn't be doing that.
They would be getting them to play AS those missing characters.

 

[Spazzy_D]

For the record, I actually play the 3DS version more than the Wii U version. I just find it silly that possible features were held back to keep the rosters the same. Same with stages, actually. I think more stages should have been shared between versions, and I don't see why the Wii U couldn't have had an extra batch of stages even if they were taken from the 3DS version. The Wii U doesn't have the storage issues the 3DS does, after all. That's all pure speculation on my part, though.

 

[TheAnvil]

Except different years of release and the fact the Wii U version was a sequel to that 3DS game. That comparison doesn't work at all

So how does that explain the 3DS version being inferior to the Wii, and arguably Gamecube Mario Kart's then?

 

[Substitution]

You know, I'm trying to figure out why inferior = expendable and inferior = bad. Like, sure I understand the 3DS isn't as powerful as the Wii U, but how come we have to treat it like the awkward cousin that is never invited to the annual reunion? I don't get it. Sure, it's not as powerful let's be honest here, but it was never meant to compete with the Wii U version. It was meant to be a portable Smash game, I don't the problem with it existing.

 

[Spazzy_D]

this is just me but i've been thinking a bit about getting an xbone or ps4
but there are only really two or three games on each that seem appealing at all to me
i've owned earlier consoles from both ms and sony so it's not nintendo bias or anything
but idk.
shrugs.

This is the first console gen that I've felt that way. 0 interest in a Xbone or PS4. Part of it is that most games seem like retreads of what we saw last gen. A bigger part for me is that there is very little exclusive content, so a PC and a Wii U gives me the most bang for my buck.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

So how does that explain the 3DS version being inferior to the Wii, and arguably Gamecube Mario Kart's then?

A sequel is supposed to improve the quality, not to mention I was mostly calling you out on having 2 different games as examples. N64 owners should complain about their Smash not being as good as the newest games amiright?

 

[Kenith]

I will say, it's funny that the Ice Climbers were cut to keep the games "fair" when that's not really the case in the end.
The 3DS version is the best game it could possibly be on the console provided.
The Wii U version is not the best game it could be on the console provided.

So it's already unfair. But it leans in the 3DS's favor.

 

[Champ Gold]

No one is forcing anyone to buy anything. The 3DS version of the game would be exactly the same, would it some how be worse if the Wii U had an extra character, I mean, after all:

Yep. Because the game has the same exact balance, I compete in smal tournaments and I don't like fighting system exclusive characters I can't learn how to fight because it's on one system. I dropped SFxT for that exact reason and I thank the heavens that Kratos was **** in MK9 so it wasn't worth it.

And that means 3DS owners get nothing in Sakurai's eyes. Or my case what happens if he 3DS gets an exclusive character that the Wii U players can't have. That would have been nuclear from the reaction.

That's how it would feel. My idea is this:

"If the character doesn't work, then cut them out its only one character"

Besides I want my full experience they promised me and I payed money for. And your way of thinking is the reason why you ain't in the gaming business. Because **** 3DS owners, it's not like they kept that company going when the Wii U was struggling. **** the poverty

 

[TheAnvil]

A sequel is supposed to improve the quality, not to mention I was mostly calling you out on having 2 different games as examples. N64 owners should complain about their Smash not being as good as the newest games amiright?

No.

I will say, it's funny that the Ice Climbers were cut to keep the games "fair" when that's not really the case in the end.
The 3DS version is the best game it could possibly be on the console provided.
The Wii U version is not the best game it could be on the console provided.

So it's already unfair. But it leans in the 3DS's favor.

This.

 

[Bananija]

So how does that explain the 3DS version being inferior to the Wii, and arguably Gamecube Mario Kart's then?

Because Queen Bee and Metal Mario are playable but not Waluigi?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

No..

Then why did you do pretty much the same thing as a hypothetical? About a group complaining that a sequel not on their system is better than what they have?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

So Nintendo's not at TGS?

 

[Deleted member]

Why is it "fair" for Wii U owners to get exclusive stuff but it's "unfair" for the opposite to happen?
Balance is a thing
You can see that on the game itself
I mean, it's really infair that they nefed Diddy just because other characters are weaker! /s

 

[Spazzy_D]

Why is it "fair" for Wii U owners to get exclusive stuff but it's "unfair" for the opposite to happen?
Balance is a thing
You can see that on the game itself
I mean, it's really infair that they nefed Diddy just because other characters are weaker! /s

It's not withheld content. It's content that isn't possible. That's a pretty big difference.

 

[Champ Gold]

I will say, it's funny that the Ice Climbers were cut to keep the games "fair" when that's not really the case in the end.
The 3DS version is the best game it could possibly be on the console provided.
The Wii U version is not the best game it could be on the console provided.

So it's already unfair. But it leans in the 3DS's favor.

No it's not. Because 3DS owners don't have a lot of the Wii U features. Wii U version is still at its best.

3DS version has weaker online, no 8-player Smash, no Event mode, no Master Core, no Tournament mode, items run at 30fps, limited stages, limited soundtrack for those stages, no stage creator, no better control options, online is still ****. And last, no YouTube uploads.

3DS version is still at its weakest. What are Wii U owners missing that much? Smash Run is the only exception and its one mode. Compared to the extra stuff that game has, one character missing from the entire roster doesn't hurt the game and makes it incomplete.

The Wii U is at its strongest. It runs at 1080p/60fps with no drops.

That is no excuse. Man I'm done. You crazy people are just going "boo hoo we can't get one character" **** you I want a better online system because MK7 runs great on there with 8 racers but Smash on 3DS runs mediocre as ****. And considering what's going on the Wii U. I'm not paying $350 for system that Nintendo is leaving in the dust for next year.

 

[Substitution]

It's not withheld content. It's content that isn't possible. That's a pretty big difference.

All right, then let me ask you this: Okay, so the Wii U gets Ice Climbers. Well in that case we'd need to balance it. So, what would the 3DS get?