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Street Fighter Vs Tekken had 5 extra characters on the PS3 version. I also remember several SNES/Gameboy fighting game that had fairly different rosters. This sort of thing is not all that uncommon.... the difference is that Sakurai himself has said that he wants to keep roster parity.
Except the transformation gimmick was tacked on and both had fully functional movesets that allowed them to fight effectively without ever utilising transform, to the point that all they got when formally separated in Smash 4 was a new down special to replace transform. That's not building a character around a gimmick.
Yeah, this bolded part here is where this falls apart. The 2-in-1 gimmick goes beyond just dealing extra damage, there's a **** ton of stuff SoPo couldn't do that the ICs could; from basic stuff like grab smashing to advanced stuff like all the desyncing shenanigans, and there's a lot more variables involved when you're split up into two characters rather than a single stronger character (along with the "get permanently weakened on a stock when your partner dies" thing). A SoPo will not be able to remotely functionally do what the ICs could.
For choosing among clone candidates who would be otherwise indistinguishable gameplay wise, yeah aesthetics might bump a character up over their clone competitors, but for an actual roster slot against the rest, the character's gameplay potential is immeasurable more important. And ICs/SoPo aren't competing with someone for a clone spot, so some ice aesthetics aren't really helping them.
A character is kept from being grabbed by anything after being released/thrown, so the only way the ICs would be chain grabbing would be through Nana footstool/jab lock shenanigans, which would then invariably be patched out if they became a big deal.
And that is the only reason why there had to be roster parity- because Sakurai said so. If he went with a different option, we wouldn't be having this debate about whether or not roster parity was the right thing or not. People would just shrug and move on.
We probably would have gotten Mach Rider honestly, since Sakurai pointed out issues he had with adding the characters you listed in the game,
I think you mean Street Fighter X Tekken X Final Fight X MegaMan X Pac-Man X Infamous X Toro
Except they couldn't; if you hacked in to play as more than 4 characters in Melee, the game would lag. Some stages still lagged with just four non-IC characters like Fountain of Dreams and Mute City.
Yeah, but...Sakurai said so. Which is why I personally just accept that we won't have any system exclusive characters, shrug my shoulders, and move on.
You forgot SoulCalibur
It would have made a bit of a difference for the kind of person who could only buy one version.
A money-hatted bonus is not the same thing. That's not something the developer even pays for.
Legit reason or not, it's missing content that doesn't fit into the cross compatibility model that they're going for, and it's content that will be missed. Hell, we're talking about how Wii U owners are missing it.
The roster parity does make the 3DS version feel more complete though.
Yeah, I explained earlier how the ICs aren't a free addition and it very likely saved a character who made it in (that works fine on both versions) from getting cut (such as Bowser Jr., who we know just barely made it into the game). We wouldn't be having "everyone plus ICs" right now on WiiU if the ICs were made WiiU exclusive, we likely would be down a character or two and the 3DS would have nothing to show for them. I don't even care for the 3DS version, but I can see how much more valuable it is financially and fan-satisfication wise to have a character that can be put into both versions over one that can only be put into one version.
So, basically, like how it was when it was revealed that the Ice Climbers were cut due to the limitations of the 3DS?
Well that's because there's a line of logic to it.
I for one do not consider my purchases of a Wii U and Super Smash Bros. for Wii U to be a waste.
The former. If the reasoning behind roster parity is because they didn't want to be "unfair", the principle will remain the same for the NX version.
I'm talking about an hypothetical situation
What NX version?
It's not Wii U owners fault that 3DS owners don't want to buy a Wii U. Why should Wii U content be stripped down?
Transformation characters are likely dead; the mechanic wasn't popular at all to begin with, and now with all the prior existing transformation characters formally separated, the mechanic can't be grandfathered back in.
I definitely see Ice Climbers coming back if there is indeed an NX port of Smash 4.
The only way I could see a transformation character in Smash again is if it's more subtle.
I think people now understand why he left Capcom.
It's not that they don't want to buy it
By that logic, Nintendo should fold and stop releasing products. No one has to buy anything, if someone is so hard up that they can't buy a £120 system (NEW, even less used) then the least of their worries should be a character exclusive to a system that they don't own. Especially one that isn't possible to have on the inferior one.
Complaining about the Ice Climbers and the 3DS version from the looks of things....
You don't have to buy the console for one character, because one character is not that big of a deal. They are not supposed to he identical packages. They have different modes, stages, and no cross play.
Who's spoiled? I bet you most of us don't have wads of cash in their pockets too.
As already explained, it's not "stripped down"; the ICs weren't finished (and likely didn't even make it far into development as PushDustin explained), and the resources freed up by cutting them would have went into finishing other characters (which in turn likely saved another character from being scrapped instead). We wouldn't be having everyone+ICs on the WiiU right now in a world where they still worked in 8-man Smash and were WiiU exclusive, and the 3DS version would be down by more than just the ICs; thus WiiU still has the same amount of characters it would have had with the ICs in, just with a different character instead of the ICs that 3DS players get to play too.
A katana wielding character would be perfect for this
Are you seriously trying to justify that?
Curious Villager
said, it's not like he hasn't done it before.
