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[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Oh wait, I was able to pick a theme? D:

I guess Opos miracle never happen

 

[Chandeelure]

The biggest thing in the last patch was that they removed 1 frame of invincibility from all the rolls, that's pretty cool IMO.
I hope they do it again, and also with the ledge invincibility and air dodges.

 

[Retroend]

Naw, Nintendo should re-release Melee and remove Wavedashing, and then we can see just how salty the professional Smash community can get.

a thousand times yes.

 

[Deleted member]

The only Jafar I thought of when you said this was the Jafar from the Anime Magi

You're thinking of the wrong, not as sexy Jafar, then.

Seriously. His beard is so.....twisted.

 

[Omega Tyrant]

Nintendo should do what Melee SD Remix does; keep the best characters the way they are and buff the **** out of everyone else

That way, everyone is happy

That's nice and all in theory, but power creep is a thing, and balance is going to be adversely effected if you just keep buffing everyone up. Even Brawl Minus, the game that intentionally made everyone ludicrously overpowered, needed to nerf characters during updates to prevent power creep from getting out of hand. Additionally, trying to balance by buffing everyone up to the top tiers takes a lot longer and is much more prone to creating a new broken character that makes the balance worse than it was beforehand; especially in a game like Smash 4 where much of the cast is vastly unexplored and character perceptions are constantly in flux (like how you have characters like Marth and Falco and Meta Knight that are terribly underrated by a significant portion of the playerbase and would be hugely liable to break the game if they were given a "be as good as Sheik" buff).

Buffs should be preferred over nerfs always, but nerfs are a necessity and should be done when needed.

 

[Soul.]

The Smash community is salty in general, it doesn't matter which side of the coin you are with. Competitive or otherwise (muh speculah), salt is going to be there.

 

[Chandeelure]

I have the feeling Samus will be super buffed in the next patch.

 

[Deleted member]

Samus is getting buffed?


......better nerf Greninja.

 

[LIQUID12A]

Samus getting buffed or a Metroid character as DLC would be equally good for me.

 

[Chrono.]

I feel like Samus and Zelda are almost beyond saving at this point.

But then again I thought the same for Ike and now look at him.

 

[Deleted member]

Samus getting buffed or a Metroid character as DLC would be equally good for me.

Even if said character is Mystery Creature?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

That's nice and all in theory, but power creep is a thing, and balance is going to be adversely effected if you just keep buffing everyone up. Even Brawl Minus, the game that intentionally made everyone ludicrously overpowered, needed to nerf characters during updates to prevent power creep from getting out of hand. Additionally, trying to balance by buffing everyone up to the top tiers takes a lot longer and is much more prone to creating a new broken character that makes the balance worse than it was beforehand; especially in a game like Smash 4 where much of the cast is vastly unexplored and character perceptions are constantly in flux (like how you have characters like Marth and Falco and Meta Knight that are terribly underrated by a significant portion of the playerbase and would be hugely liable to break the game if they were given a "be as good as Sheik" buff).

Buffs should be preferred over nerfs always, but nerfs are a necessity and should be done when needed.

That's a good point.

But some character still deserved some buffs since day 1 and never got them, like Samus.

 

[Chandeelure]

Samus is getting buffed?


......better nerf Greninja.

Nice meme :^)

 

[Soul.]

I just want some buffs here and there; nothing that makes a character suddenly top tier.
inb4 fire emblem characters are buffed yet again

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I SAW JOJO FIGHTER 5'S NEW CHARACTER. YOUNG JOSEPH WHEN

 

[LIQUID12A]

Even if said character is Mystery Creature?

Any of the non-borderline ridiculous choices.

Though my "tier list" in that regard would be Sylux>Rundas>Ridley(because currently unviable, if Ridley weren't a hazard he'd be on par with Sylux)>every other hunter>REMEMBAH ME.

Mystery Creature would be in a grey area, honestly, since it's a ridiculous choice but also Ridley, so...

 

[Chrono.]

Who the heck is Mystery Creature?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Who the heck is Mystery Creature?

Spoiler: Other M spoilers

Baby Ridley

 

[Chandeelure]

Spoiler: Other M spoilers

Baby Ridley

It's teenager Ridley, actually.
The baby form is called Little Birdie.

 

[Z25]

I know how we can buff samus!

Spoiler

Next DLC right here!

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

It's teenager Ridley, actually.
The baby form is called Little Birdie.

Oh right

Either of thos two would be funny as **** in Smash though

 

[Chrono.]

I know how we can buff samus!

Spoiler

Next DLC right here!

Turbo Mode is almost all I play on PM nowadays, it's that much fun.

 

[NintenZ]

@ PushDustIn I just realised something. Isn't it strange that the Koopalings aren't their own playable characters despite having defining characteristics from Bowser Jr. ?

 

[Burruni]

Honestly, here's what I've felt with Ridley.

His normal design is awkwardly lanky at the scale of someone like Bowser. Other M's "Roidley" felt better suited to be the build of a fighter due to being bulkier.

It's just sad that the beak and... well, nature of Other M's reception keeps it so negitively viewed.

I won't go any further than that, but... I just hope that Roidley, or a future game's "bulkier" build gets better reception for it to be... more manageable. Yes, some fan hacks have gotten him to work fairly well, but I've seen some massive failures as well, and I feel that just beefing up his overall body would make it easier to convert him into a fighter.

 

[Deleted member]

I SAW JOJO FIGHTER 5'S NEW CHARACTER. YOUNG JOSEPH WHEN

Good thing Smash already has him

Spoiler

 

[Burruni]

Good thing Smash already has him

Spoiler

 

[Kenith]

I still think Bagan's PM Ridley is perfect - I don't care what anyone says.
Take the blueprint of that Ridley and place it in the hands of professional devs and you have a complete representation of Ridley.
Not big enough you say? Well, that's what Final Smashes are for.

 

[Deleted member]

Any of the non-borderline ridiculous choices.

Though my "tier list" in that regard would be Sylux>Rundas>Ridley(because currently unviable, if Ridley weren't a hazard he'd be on par with Sylux)>every other hunter>REMEMBAH ME.

Mystery Creature would be in a grey area, honestly, since it's a ridiculous choice but also Ridley, so...

IMHO, Mystery Creature is a ridiculous choice solely for being a state of Ridley that isn't fully evolved space dragon mode.
I feel it would be a reasonable compromise (which I am sure most Ridley supporters would disagree with) due to the state having less issues to work with in comparison that Sakurai had with changing the fully evolved state:

-"Would have to be shrunk down." The adolescent stage would still have to be altered in that sense, but not to nearly the same degree as the adult stage. It'd be more like how Palutena and Ganondorf were altered.

-"Would have to have wings reduced in size." There are no visible wings to worry about. Just the tail, which can be scaled down like Mewtwo's and Charizard's (seriously; look at their main trophies, then their alt trophies and you'll see what I mean). And if anything, Sakurai could give the adolescent stage underdeveloped wings that retract into the feathers on his back that are used for recovery purposes only (i.e. last resort).

-"Would have to be unable to fly around freely." Can't fly under normal circumstances.

And seeing as Ridley has been established in terms of Smash (both Brawl and Smash 4) as having incredibly high defense (immune to flinching and knockback) and offensive capabilities that would make Ganondorf tremble, it would stand to reason that the evolutionary stage below the final form would be more "fair" as a fighter with more restricted offense and defense.


At least that's how I see it and why my initial vote was for Adolescent Ridley. *shrugs*

 

[Strofirko]

I still think weird that they choose mahjong tile over hanafuda card in mario maker.

 

[Deleted member]

Including Adolescent Ridley would be the same as adding Yuganon

 

[NintenZ]

I found out why Federation Force really exists, merchandise.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Good thing Smash already has him

Spoiler

PK VOLLEY

When could Joseph do the ORAORAORA?
Fun fact, both Joseph and Jotaro are in Smash. Chrom's VAs.?

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I have literally the worst luck. Computer was having issues after removing a virus but annoyingly functional. Then being a klutz?I spill my morning cereal milk on the keyboard. Fun fun fun.

 

[Deleted member]

I still think weird that they choose mahjong tile over hanafuda card in mario maker.

It isn't as weird when you remember this exists:

Including Adolescent Ridley would be the same as adding Yuganon

No. No it would not.

 

[Deleted member]

PK VOLLEY

When could Joseph do the ORAORAORA?
Fun fact, both Joseph and Jotaro are in Smash. Chrom's VAs.?

Smash's real purpose from the beggining was to have a buncj of JoJo references hidden in the character's moveset because Sakurai didn't get the license to make a JoJo fighting game
We need a character that is a vampire with ice powers and that can stop time to be our Dio expy
Castlevania needs to have something along those lines

Also, Chrom's VA is the Japanese or English voice of the two JoJos?

 

[Champ Gold]

Now I have a reason to post this

 

[Tree Gelbman]

The b and n keeps won't work. Fun. I've dried it out. Run a towel, alcohol, hair dryer, so annoyed.

 

[LIQUID12A]

*IMHO, Mystery Creature is a ridiculous choice solely for being a state of Ridley that isn't fully evolved space dragon mode.
I feel it would be a reasonable compromise (which I am sure most Ridley supporters would disagree with) due to the state having less issues to work with in comparison that Sakurai had with changing the fully evolved state.

*incredibly high defense (immune to flinching and knockback) and offensive capabilities that would make Ganondorf tremble

*I really would just want Metroid content, period. Mystery Creature leans more on ridiculous, though. Either Ridley or nothing, and regarding him, we're likely getting nothing this time. I won't deny Ridley's the optimal Metroid pick but he's univiable at the present time.

*Though...Sm4sh Ridley does get knocked down(ground) or knocked back(air) with enough damage, so doesn't Sm4sh Ridley subvert that? Ironically, in regards to this statement, Ganondorf with +200 Attack Equipment boosts(not that this will ever happen in most instances) can deal so much damage to Ridley with one Reverse Warlock Punch that the knockback is borderline extreme if Ridley is airborne, and it only takes 5-6 of these to kill Ridley outright(when boosted by Attack equipment that is).

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Smash's real purpose from the beggining was to have a buncj of JoJo references hidden in the character's moveset because Sakurai didn't get the license to make a JoJo fighting game
We need a character that is a vampire with ice powers and that can stop time to be our Dio expy
Castlevania needs to have something along those lines

Also, Chrom's VA is the Japanese or English voice of the two JoJos?

English Chrom is Matthew Mercer, who voices Jotaro.
JP Chrom is HAPPY UEPI YOROPI KU NEEEEEEE

 

[Deleted member]

It isn't as weird when you remember this exists:

No. No it would not.

Including a less known form of the main villain is basically the same
Adolescent Ridley only appeared in Other M durong a SINGLE CUTSCENE