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Nintendo Direct Coming On June 11th.Count Down Thread Day 00

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It's probably false. Rumors about Smash are usually wrong.

Also, it doesn't make sense that they are just starting coding on the Wii U given development has been going on for 16 months.
Yeah, Nyasenya leaked close to launch, not close to the reveal. Also, Q4 2014 just sounds too good to be true, considering the scope and dual platform launch. I think Q1 2015, if we are good little boys and girls.

Still, one never knows completely.

As for the naming of the next Smash, I think it's likely the name will reference the fact that the game will launch on two platforms and has cross-over functionality.
 

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One of the two forthcoming smash bros games might come out next year (2014), but not both.

They've only been produced with Sakurai on hand for like what a year maybe=??? And it's two games we're getting, not one.
Ooooooh. Ouch. Burn. Them's fightin' words.

Not to me though. =P
Yeah, but a Digimon joke is needed every once in a while.
 

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Yeah, Nyasenya leaked close to launch, not close to the reveal. Also, Q4 2014 just sounds too good to be true, considering the scope and dual platform launch. I think Q1 2015, if we are good little boys and girls.
Exactly. We wont know anything until very close to launch. Smash is very tight lipped.
 

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You mean reveal right? By Brawl's launch, everybody knew everything about that game.

Leaks about the game itself? Well obviously. About the trailer though, that's possible.
Brawl's reveal was completely leaked.
 

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You mean reveal right? By Brawl's launch, everybody knew everything about that game.
I mean the leaks. We get reliable leaks until close to the game's launch. The first leaks was right before Sonic's announcement so about 4 months in. This person also didn't say everything, just tidbits. It's unlikely a leak will come out before the game is announced, so don't believe the rumors.
 

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I mean the leaks. We get reliable leaks until close to the game's launch. The first leaks was right before Sonic's announcement so about 4 months in. This person also didn't say everything, just tidbits. It's unlikely a leak will come out before the game is announced, so don't believe the rumors.
what was that leak, out of curiosity?
 

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I remember the 35 character roster being leaked and no one on the smash site I frequented believed it because it had Wolf instead of Krystal and too few characters.

Wow, we were greedy.
 

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what was that leak, out of curiosity?
From what I remember:

A poster came and said Sonic was going to unveiled that week. He was. On top of that, the poster said Ness, and Mr. Game and Watch were in the game. He said Olimar was too and he had a Pikmin whip attack. No one beleived the poster and the thread was locked. Given, the poster was "You HAVE to believe me." I think the big reason we didn't believe the person was because of Ness.

For future reference, beware of the conventional logic.
 

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I remember the DOJO updates but,I don't remember leaks.
If you're curious, here is how it went down.

The leaks didn't start until very close until the game's launch. The first one was around October. There was many of them, at least 4 is I recall. None of them gave the whole story but peices of it. I beleive what happened is play testers never got the full roster but in small bits. It may have been done for this reason. The leak roster was actually Chronobound and other users taking all the leaks together and making a roster. Of the ones I remember, there was Nyasenya, someone who leaked the Dragoon and Serebii (just the fact Mewtwo wasn't coming back).
 

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I remember the 35 character roster being leaked and no one on the smash site I frequented believed it because it had Wolf instead of Krystal and too few characters.

Wow, we were greedy.

Well, let's not forget that the roster was actually going to be about seven characters larger, had everything Sakurai wanted to be realized actually happened. We could have had a 42 character roster. And the Wolf thing makes more sense once you realize Sakurai is a fan of StarFox 64
 

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If you're curious, here is how it went down.

The leaks didn't start until very close until the game's launch. The first one was around October. There was many of them, at least 4 is I recall. None of them gave the whole story but peices of it. I beleive what happened is play testers never got the full roster but in small bits. It may have been done for this reason. The leak roster was actually Chronobound and other users taking all the leaks together and making a roster. Of the ones I remember, there was Nyasenya, someone who leaked the Dragoon and Serebii (just the fact Mewtwo wasn't coming back).
There were three-four primary leakers:
- ChaosZero (who said Lucario was in, that Mewtwo was cut, that Wolf was in, and described the Dragoon item)
- NyaseNya (who said there would be an upcoming delay, mentioned Olimar, Toon Link, and a specific move of Olimar's, and said there would be 35 characters).
- Serebii (said Lucario was in, and that Mewtwo was out)
- ShadowXOR (who said ROB, Ness, Marth, and Mr. Game & Watch were in).

From the similarities of these, I basically put together what was Brawl's roster. I don't think anyone else did this aside from me (they pretty much just pasted the roster I put together).
 

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I recall people were completely in denial about the whole "Mewtwo being cut" aspect, and proclaiming the roster is fake because of it.
 

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I thought most people thought it was fake because of ROB. Once he was revealed pretty much everyone accepted the fact that the 35 roster was true
 

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I thought most people thought it was fake because of ROB. Once he was revealed pretty much everyone accepted the fact that the 35 roster was true
Yeah, this man here got it right. Once we saw the Subspace Emissary though, a lot of people came to gripe with acceptance.

Oh, people did have denial of Mewtwo and Ness but honestly, even back then I felt unmoved by those.
 

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Here are the English and Japanese-translated-to-English titles:

English // Japanese
Super Smash Bros. // Nintendo All-Star! Great Melee Smash Brothers
Super Smash Bros. Melee // Great Melee Smash Brothers Deluxe
Super Smash Bros. Brawl // Great Melee Smash Brothers X

Considering the second game adopted "Melee" from its predecessor's Japanese name, had this trend continued, Super Smash Bros. Brawl would have been called "Super Smash Bros. Deluxe". Brawl is a better name than Deluxe. Brawl's Japanese name ends in X, a single letter. What system also ends in a single letter?

There's a chance the next game will be called:
Super Smash Bros. Universe // Great Melee Smash Brothers U

It is possible, but I'm kinda doubting it. Not that I'm against the name universe... People theorize the next 3D Mario will be called Super Mario Universe as a possible continuation of Galaxy.


When ROB was revealed, there was a poop storm of people saying "He's a waste of space! Horrible character" and when they figured out he was actually good, then the ass kissing commenced.
 

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Cheers for the info y'all!

It is possible, but I'm kinda doubting it. Not that I'm against the name universe... People theorize the next 3D Mario will be called Super Mario Universe as a possible continuation of Galaxy.


When ROB was revealed, there was a poop storm of people saying "He's a waste of space! Horrible character" and when they figured out he was actually good, then the *** kissing commenced.
Yeah,and I'm sure there'll be just many repeats of people in denial over cuts, additions and non-cuts this time too...
Is it wrong that I'm as excited for the fan **** storm as for the game...?
 

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Well back in Brawl I always felt either Pokemon Trainer, Rob, or Toon Link stole Bowser Jr's spot in the roster, but I eventually got over it (still don't like TL though). But with Smash4 soon to come, Jr has another chance.
But to the ROB thing, I wonder who will be the "WTF" characters of Smash4. It was G&W in Melee, ROB in Brawl, so yea, wonder who will it be?
 

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It is possible, but I'm kinda doubting it. Not that I'm against the name universe... People theorize the next 3D Mario will be called Super Mario Universe as a possible continuation of Galaxy.
I really hope that's false. I don't really like the sound of "Super Smash Bros. Universe" either, but a continuation of the Super Mario Galaxy series is honestly the last thing I want in the 3D Mario. At the very least go with a different theme, you know?

When ROB was revealed, there was a poop storm of people saying "He's a waste of space! Horrible character" and when they figured out he was actually good, then the *** kissing commenced.
Well, my opinion over him hasn't really changed. Definitely not anywhere near any character I wanted, and with the roster being so disappointing otherwise I just could never look away.

Perhaps our idea of there having to be a "WTF?" character was wrong, but if there is, and he was supposed to be it, he definitely failed at that role, as Mario Kart DS already did that before Brawl.
 

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Well back in Brawl I always felt either Pokemon Trainer, Rob, or Toon Link stole Bowser Jr's spot in the roster, but I eventually got over it (still don't like TL though). But with Smash4 soon to come, Jr has another chance.
But to the ROB thing, I wonder who will be the "WTF" characters of Smash4. It was G&W in Melee, ROB in Brawl, so yea, wonder who will it be?

There's very little that could surprise frequenters of this thread, unfortunately... I really hope they come up with something though. I'd hate if the roster didn't shock me at all.

I guess you have to take the trend into consideration. G&W represented handheld success, ROB was the end of the gaming crash and thereby console success... Mii could eb an equivalent for modern/online representation, but that wouldn't be very surprising, so maybe the Mii will be the "true" continuation of the ROB/G&W theme, while something else entirely will get the shock factor.
 

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I really hope that's false. I don't really like the sound of "Super Smash Bros. Universe" either, but a continuation of the Super Mario Galaxy series is honestly the last thing I want in the 3D Mario. At the very least go with a different theme, you know?



Well, my opinion over him hasn't really changed. Definitely not anywhere near any character I wanted, and with the roster being so disappointing otherwise I just could never look away.

Perhaps our idea of there having to be a "WTF?" character was wrong, but if there is, and he was supposed to be it, he definitely failed at that role, as Mario Kart DS already did that before Brawl.
Holy hell you're still alive. Hi Bassoonist.

I have to say that I can kind-of agree. The fact ROB also had a role in the Subspace Emissary made it even less "WTF" where-as Game & Watch was truly a character you wanted to research more about instead of a failed item, and to add into that, he also came with an interesting moveset and much like Fire Emblem, Kid Icarus, and Earthbound, he DID give his series recognition to have more games (2 Game & Watch games on Club Nintendo on the DS and one more like his original stuff)

Meanwhile R.O.B. didn't really add anything. TBH, I was still happy with the rest of the newcomers, and would have preferred a slightly bigger roster but now that Smash 4 is around, I think that wish will be served.
 

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We'll have both games for Christmas 2014.
Thees 2 games just realistically began development only about 14 months ago. Brawl took 2 1/2 years to make, and seeing as how there are two games, 4 years to make them isn't out of the question.

Also, 2 1/2 years ago from last February (when I believe development began?) is July of 2015 anyways.
I thought most people thought it was fake because of ROB. Once he was revealed pretty much everyone accepted the fact that the 35 roster was true
That and the Ness returning after Sakurai's Dojo post. But once we saw Ness was accidentally leaked heads were turned.
When ROB was revealed, there was a poop storm of people saying "He's a waste of space! Horrible character" and when they figured out he was actually good, then the *** kissing commenced.
And when we had to sit through 15 minute ROB camping matches people complained again, and quite frankly, they were 100% justified.
 

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R.O.B. is one of my favorite characters to play with in Brawl even though I didn't want nor ask for R.O.B. in Brawl. I just like his playstyle and his moveset.

Other characters I really enjoy playing even though I didn't ask for them are Lucas, Wolf, Pokémon Trainer, Zero Suit Samus, Ike, Meta Knight, and Sonic.

Characters I don't enjoy playing with even though I did ask for them are Wario and Diddy Kong. I didn't ask for Snake nor Lucario and I still don't like playing as them in Brawl.

Characters I really enjoy playing with and I did ask for them are Olimar, Toon Link, King Dedede, and Pit.
 
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I don't enjoy R.O.B's character, he's very bland and doesn't really draw me in. I'd rather them keep him as a Boss/Assist Trpohy. They should use his slot to slide in either another retro fighter (Balloon Fighter for example), or possibly throw in some more Female characters. Brawl really damn needed some more of those....

I remembered waking up one morning and seeing Lyn on SSBB Dojo, and considering the Fire Emblem game she's from was the first Gameboy advance game I ever owned and got on my birthday, I was pretty ecstatic. When I soon realized that she was actually an Assist Trophy, and not a Character, I became depressed. A few months later when I saw R.O.B on the Dojo page as a character, I pretty much facedesked until blood started coming out.

I've hated R.O.B and wanted more females in the SSB franchise since then. Hopefully we get some decent girls in SSB4?
 

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I remember some Lyn supporters saying that Lyn being de-confirmed as an Assist Trophy was just as bad a tragedy as the September 11th terrorist attacks (that is when the update came up). The one thing I don't like about most female character supporters is how rabid they usually tended to be. I think you really had to be around the pre-Brawl days to see the kind of insanity some of these guys were packing.

Really strange how Palutena has among the largest fanbases for Smash 4, yet her fanbase is pretty level headed.
 

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Really strange how Palutena has among the largest fanbases for Smash 4, yet her fanbase is pretty level headed.
Well, not entirely level headed. I've seen some more questionable comments crop up recently, but nothing drastic that would gorge your eyes out. We're nowhere near talking Gardevoir amounts of creepy.
 
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I remember some Lyn supporters saying that Lyn being de-confirmed as an Assist Trophy was just as bad a tragedy as the September 11th terrorist attacks (that is when the update came up). The one thing I don't like about most female character supporters is how rabid they usually tended to be. I think you really had to be around the pre-Brawl days to see the kind of insanity some of these guys were packing.

Really strange how Palutena has among the largest fanbases for Smash 4, yet her fanbase is pretty level headed.
September 11th was a tragedy that forever changed the course of our country. The fact that anyone would DARE compare Lyn's Assist Trophy confirmation to the death of around 3,000 people is when things stop being funny and when you realize that these people really need help. It's incredibly selfish to do and is a massive sense of entitlement; two things I absolutely hate. These people should have gotten visits from 9/11 victims who lost loved ones because of their comments. If any 9/11 victims saw those comments, it would only expose sore wounds that will never truly close.

If comparison to tragic events happens again with a character deconfirmation, I can assure you that those fan bases will see my wrath.
 

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Also related to the Lyn thing, but I agree that people do take these characters too seriously. At the end of the day they're just a bunch of polygons designed to be manipulated by your controller, they're not going to change your life in anyway.

Though, I still say Lyn would be a better received character then Chrom/Lucina in the long run, but that's a different topic.
 

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Also, another thing about one of the Brawl leakers, ShadowXOR. Unlike NyaseNya and ChaosZero (both of whom had been validated through some of their leaked information being confirmed), this guy basically had nothing to prove he was just another random "prophet". As a matter of fact, the first place he dropped the information he knew was in my pre-Brawl character analysis topic.

Lots of people bashed him for posting "inside information", but none of what he was saying was absurd (except that ROB would be a playable character). I talked with this guy privately, and he seemed pretty level headed. I also learned some pretty interesting things from him. Some of the things I learned make me skeptical about leaks happening for Smash 4.

So yeah, I had to basically go with my gut to believe ShadowXOR.
 

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And when we had to sit through 15 minute ROB camping matches people complained again, and quite frankly, they were 100% justified.
I'm not addressing that issue though. I'm talking about those who flip flop on opinions and only really pick characters based on match ups and nothing else. I'm prepared to hand out the salt to people who ditch MK when he gets nerfed. Very few people pick characters they like outside of Smash. Yeah, that's their issue, I just don't like the phoniness. I think ROB was a terrific surprise especially considering his place in Nintendo's history. I mean, that's what Smash Bros. for the most part represents. A fanservice to Nintendo's properties. Not this competitive BS people want to paint Smash Bros. to be.

And no, I don't really have a problem with the competitive scene since I do consider myself to be competitive but not as I was before due to reasons outside of Smash. But alas, I digress. I'm hoping ROB stays. And didn't people want Mr. G&W and Ice Climbers as well as Ness to be cut from Brawl? What type of mess is that? I remember arguing with people telling them that character placement isn't based on this tier list the community made up. I got attacked for that. But looking back, I have to laugh. Such ignorance and stupidity people have had that, looking through several threads here, never really goes away. Least it isn't as severe as it was before Brawl, thankfully.
 

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Well for starters, due to the imbalanced nature of these games, you pretty much have to pick the "best" characters out there is you want to thrive in any form of competition. This is especially blunt in Brawl, where the only characters are Meta Knight and everyone else. If you want to play as your favorites, that's all fine and dandy, but just remember that favorites don't always lead to victory. It's not just Super Smash Bros., but pretty much any game that promotes a multiplayer environment will always have that sense of leaning towards going for the best options. It's common sense, you wouldn't want to enter a gun fight with a knife.

Though at the same time, the favorites can also be the ones that are competitively viable too. They are not always separate subjects, they can co-exist without strife.
 

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Holy hell you're still alive. Hi Bassoonist.
Lol. Sometimes that fact surprises even me. Anyway, hi.

Meanwhile R.O.B. didn't really add anything. TBH, I was still happy with the rest of the newcomers, and would have preferred a slightly bigger roster but now that Smash 4 is around, I think that wish will be served.
Eh. IIRC I was not satisfied with any of the newcomers added that we learned with the leak. I was especially annoyed that Toon Link didn't even get his own moveset.

Anyway, I hope... But the roster might not end up like we want it, once again. Especially if they go down the road of keeping the characters the same in the 3DS version and the Wii U version.
 

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Well for starters, due to the imbalanced nature of these games, you pretty much have to pick the "best" characters out there is you want to thrive in any form of competition. This is especially blunt in Brawl, where the only characters are Meta Knight and everyone else. If you want to play as your favorites, that's all fine and dandy, but just remember that favorites don't always lead to victory. It's not just Super Smash Bros., but pretty much any game that promotes a multiplayer environment will always have that sense of leaning towards going for the best options. It's common sense, you wouldn't want to enter a gun fight with a knife.

Though at the same time, the favorites can also be the ones that are competitively viable too. They are not always separate subjects, they can co-exist without strife.
While that may be true, I think that anyone who's good with a favorite, such as Peach, can fare well against a good player using Metaknight. Victory is not exclusive and solely based on MUs but rather how you play and adapt to situations. It isn't so black and white.
 

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I remember some Lyn supporters saying that Lyn being de-confirmed as an Assist Trophy was just as bad a tragedy as the September 11th terrorist attacks (that is when the update came up). The one thing I don't like about most female character supporters is how rabid they usually tended to be. I think you really had to be around the pre-Brawl days to see the kind of insanity some of these guys were packing.

Really strange how Palutena has among the largest fanbases for Smash 4, yet her fanbase is pretty level headed.

So yeah, I had to basically go with my gut to believe ShadowXOR.
I actually remember this. I think someone else on the leaks at some point over at NS2 (Or somewhere else, or maybe it was on a forum I was part of) said "35 character roster" and that's when I was really able to narrow it down before the leaks. Not necessarily to 100%, but I had an idea of "Okay, so a WTF char, maybe a StarFox char, these returning vets, etc"

Eh. IIRC I was not satisfied with any of the newcomers added that we learned with the leak. I was especially annoyed that Toon Link didn't even get his own moveset.

Anyway, I hope... But the roster might not end up like we want it, once again. Especially if they go down the road of keeping the characters the same in the 3DS version and the Wii U version.
You're awesome i hope to see you more and hopefully other familiar faces as the wait to smash 4 kicks in especially since i need to not buy too many games before this stuff comes out i have enough to play through already

Really? I thought Wolf and Lucario were pretty awesome. Toon Link was pretty fast and interesting so I didn't mind that. R.O.B. disappointed me but that was about it. I was also disappointed by the lack of newcomers.

If they do it won't be the worst thing ever. PSABR, Street Fighter x Tekken, Mortal Kombat, UMvC3, BlazBlue, and other fighting games already keep the same roster. I kinda hope we can play all the characters somehow in both games.

While that may be true, I think that anyone who's good with a favorite, such as Peach, can fare well against a good player using Metaknight. Victory is not exclusive and solely based on MUs but rather how you play and adapt to situations. It isn't so black and white.
This. Most people aren't even that far in the competitive scene, people have made amazing comebacks, Brawl has a fantastic doubles scene/fantastic doubles balance, counterpicks, and to top that off, there's still hacks like Project M or Brawl+ if you're disappointed with the original.
 
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