Nickelodeon All-Stars Brawl General Thread - All Star Brawl 2 Available Today!

[Fields - Ultimate's Great]

For people saying that it makes sense for Ren and Stimpy to be one character, no it really doesn't. In the show they are 2 separate characters, not 2 characters in one like Catdog, I also feel like it would be harder to make them into one character than having them be separate.

It would, they're a duo and have been paired up in a game before where they shared attacks. I am not a fan of Solo Ren and Solo Stimpy either, feels significantly more boring than the chaos the two could bring together.

 

[TheBrainJem]

The problem with that theory is that all developers should know about who's playable, in fact that kind of stuff is probably planned out very early. It's not like a co developer can just start "secretly" working on Garfield without anybody else knowing.

I do want Garfield to be playable, so the better thing to do is ask for him to be DLC right now instead of believing a fake leak. I don't think the DLC is mapped out yet.

I mean I think Garfield has probably been part of the roster, and even if this leak is fake they just haven't said anything cus he could be the last reveal (which would makes sense as big way to end the reveals) and they don't want to confirm him before the trailer has dropped

Garfield was bought by Viacom for Nickelodeon all the way back in 2019, he could definitely be base roster for sure depending on when they were given the okay to use him if he's in base game.

I've said it before but I think regardless of this leak validity Garfield is probably happening, originally I said he was sure for dlc but I think with everything I've seen I think vase roster is even more likely.

I just think this leak just adds to that if it is real, which is a possibility that is is and it's an interesting topic to talk about.

 

[WahHahaha]

I mean I think Garfield has probably been part of the roster, and even if this leak is fake they just haven't said anything cus he could be the last reveal (which would makes sense as big way to end the reveals) and they don't want to confirm him before the trailer has dropped

Garfield was bought by Viacom for Nickelodeon all the way back in 2019, he could definitely be base roster for sure depending on when they were given the okay to use him if he's in base game.

I've said it before but I think regardless of this leak validity Garfield is probably happening, originally I said he was sure for dlc but I think with everything I've seen I think vase roster is even more likely.

I just think this leak just adds to that if it is real, which is a possibility that is is and it's an interesting topic to talk about.

Since Garfield was purchased so recently by Nickelodeon, he's not really a "Nickelodeon All Star" but he can still be playable since he's a Nickelodeon character. I doubt base roster though.

 

[Flyboy]

I just like Garfield because he's a funny little orange cat and I hope he gets in because he is cute.

 

[Fields - Ultimate's Great]

I mean I think Garfield has probably been part of the roster, and even if this leak is fake they just haven't said anything cus he could be the last reveal (which would makes sense as big way to end the reveals) and they don't want to confirm him before the trailer has dropped

Garfield was bought by Viacom for Nickelodeon all the way back in 2019, he could definitely be base roster for sure depending on when they were given the okay to use him if he's in base game.

I've said it before but I think regardless of this leak validity Garfield is probably happening, originally I said he was sure for dlc but I think with everything I've seen I think vase roster is even more likely.

I just think this leak just adds to that if it is real, which is a possibility that is is and it's an interesting topic to talk about.

But the devs weren't silent that's the thing. Rep directly went all in to say "this leak is fake".

 

[TheBrainJem]

I don't know, that still feels like a stretch to me. You'd think the two devs would be in touch with each other than that.

It might be a stretch yeah, and it could probably be fake and just a coincidence, but I think the possibility of this being a legit leak that happened due the modeling devs accidentally letting something out and the main devs not recognizing it initially is a possible scenario since the teams are working from different parts of the world.

Once again though, regardless of this leaks validity Garfield is a very likely character, it's just a interesting leak relating to him that brings up an interesting discussion

 

[RileyXY1]

Since Garfield was purchased so recently by Nickelodeon, he's not really a "Nickelodeon All Star" but he can still be playable since he's a Nickelodeon character. I doubt base roster though.

Although Viacom owns him he's not a Nickelodeon character yet, as his show hasn't premiered yet.

 

[TheBrainJem]

Since Garfield was purchased so recently by Nickelodeon, he's not really a "Nickelodeon All Star" but he can still be playable since he's a Nickelodeon character. I doubt base roster though.

If he's base roster, I think he would definitely have been the last character being worked on due to when the deal by Viacom to buy Paws Inc happened.

Essentially, Garfield would be the Sonic in Brawl equivalent for this game, though probably wouldn't have delayed the game unlike Sonic

 

[Quick Gaming (QG)]

Im guessing you didn't watch the video because that's addressed.

Basically, the leak first came up on a Latin American site, and the studio responsible for 3D modeling for the game, FairPlay Labs, is located in Costa Rica. Pair that with the fact the Garfield model isn't one we have seen before and that April O'Neil is there, the scenario could be that the leak is real but the main dev team might not have realized it was real since the background is different since it wasn't what they were using.

I dunno if the devs have commented on it since then or if anyone has brought up this fact to them (I am not part of the server) but it's entirely possible

it's also possible that the characters below are real models but the Garfield one is fake. Even then it's clearly fake and I'm not gonna bother entertaining discussion of it further

 

[TheBrainJem]

Although Viacom owns him he's not a Nickelodeon character yet, as his show hasn't premiered yet.

He's not a Nickelodeon character yet in the sense he hasn't had a new show or medium made by Nick for him, but the official Garfield website was changed in 2020 to just be a splash page saying "Garfield is now part of the Nickelodeon family"

So even now they consider him a Nickelodeon character even before anything new has come out. So if he's in the game as base or dlc, they are still treating him as a Nickelodeon property.

And I guess to be fair the first two Garfield shows (Garfield and Friends, Garfield 3D show) both aired on Nickelodeon anyways so he's already had an association with the channel

 

[dlewis53]

...So, as done as I am talking about this fake leak, there is something I thought of that I kind of hope to get clarification on:

I know there are technically two companies developing this game: Ludosity and Fair Play Labs.

And I was kind of wondering how exactly development is split between the two.

Is it the case where FPL works on the character models and whatnot, and Ludosity works on the actual gameplay mechanics and whatnot?

 

[CapitaineCrash]

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GameMill dropped this on Twitter! Actual gameplay info!

This is so cool, I was talking yesterday or a few days ago that I wanted more news on characters moveset and this is perfect. Honestly this moveset is perfect, maybe the only thing I would change is make the "imagination" rainbow his up strong moves, and make him chop downward with the karate glove for the down strong moves. I'm excited to see Nigel and Danny Phantom moveset!

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Garfield showing up at all would be great.

He's a character I think is likely for both base roster and for hypothetical DLC.

 

[Ze Diglett]

Slightly more complex controls? I dunno about this, I got into Smash because for me they'd be the easiest controls to master for fighting games.

Hopefully they'll become second-nature like Suda 51 game controls...

Adding an extra attack button isn't suddenly gonna make the game impossible to pick up. If anything, mapping light and strong attacks to separate buttons is actually BETTER in terms of control setup and performing precise inputs since you don't have to worry about almost all your attacks being on one button now. This is a MASSIVE improvement IMO, and it's something that non-Smash platform fighters have been doing for years.

The problem with that theory is that all developers should know about who's playable, in fact that kind of stuff is probably planned out very early. It's not like a co developer can just start "secretly" working on Garfield without anybody else knowing.

I do want Garfield to be playable, so the better thing to do is ask for him to be DLC right now instead of believing a fake leak. I don't think the DLC is mapped out yet.

Except the characters aren't even why Rep claimed the leak is fake. It's because of the background not matching Ludosity's dev tools, so this point's kind of moot.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

It's because of the background not matching Ludosity's dev tools, so this point's kind of moot.

Didn't we learn that GameMill, Ludosity and Fair Play Labs all use different dev tools, and ergo backgrounds, within their own individual development phases, though?
I especially remember PapaGenos mentioning something like this in his newest video.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

So, are we in agreement that we'll hear about the rest of the (base?) roster in the next 4 weeks leading up to release?

 

[amageish]

Shower Thought: If we were getting an Avatar transforming stage, it could have been based on the Ember Island Playhouse and have it just be going between various sets based on important locations in the series... That would have been neat.

Is it the case where FPL works on the character models and whatnot, and Ludosity works on the actual gameplay mechanics and whatnot?

I don't think we really know all the specifics about the Ludosity vs Fair Play Labs split, but we do know Ludosity has worked on gameplay mechanics and basically every move in every moveset, at least in conceptual ways, if not in execution as well. Fair Play Labs has had their hands in a lot of different projects in a lot of different ways, so it is hard to definitively know what they would be doing in particular unless they just tell us one day...

Game Mill is also publishing the game in the Americas and I assume they have some assets too as I think at least some of the models are being used in altered forms from the Kart Racers that they previously published...

 

[Ze Diglett]

Didn't we learn that GameMill, Ludosity and Fair Play Labs all use different dev tools, and ergo backgrounds, within their own individual development phases, though?
I especially remember PapaGenos mentioning something like this in his newest video.

Yes, hence the point.

 

[dlewis53]

Sigh

Has someone actually brought any of this up with the Ludosity developers on their Discord? About the idea that it was Fair Play that might have leaked that stuff?

If not, can someone please do that so we can potentially put this to rest once and for all?

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

Sigh

Has someone actually brought any of this up with the Ludosity developers on their Discord? About the idea that it was Fair Play that might have leaked that stuff?

If not, can someone please do that so we can potentially put this to rest once and for all?

Did y'all forget what I said earlier about keeping hush about the Garfield leak? This is a small indie studio working under a megaconglomorate - if anything leaked gets big and NintendoLife and such are covering it, the results could be devistating. Frankly it was irresponsible of PapaGenos to post anything about the Garfield leak, and asking the devs about it will only make it bigger until it swallows any chance of DLC or a sequel.

 

[TheBrainJem]

So it's probably best that we just let it all play out, and if the leak happens to either be real or fake, we will just see the result then

I think it's fine to talk about it here just as discussion but yeah might be best not to bring too much attention to it elsewhere by the off chance it is real and could potentially **** over the developers

 

[dlewis53]

...Okay, fine. Frankly, I still feel people are reaching too far trying to claim this thing is still real despite what Rep has said.

 

[LimeTH]

Let's just talk about something else. Like now that we know the control scheme, what moves do you think go to what input in certain characters? Like would Buff Dog be a special or a heavy?

 

[dlewis53]

Let's just talk about something else. Like now that we know the control scheme, what moves do you think go to what input in certain characters? Like would Buff Dog be a special or a heavy?

I think both Buff Dog attacks are heavy attacks; with how it moves, I can't really see it as an Up Special, and that's the only Special type that would make sense for it to be.

 

[Teeb147]

Seems like the developpers like garfield, that's for sure seems like it, so I do think there's chance for garfield to show up in it, and actually that would rock :D

 

[BonafideFella]

it looks like cat’s moves have less range and deal more damage, whereas dog works vice versa

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

it looks like cat’s moves have less range and deal more damage, whereas dog works vice versa

That makes sense given Cat is the more agressive one wheras Dog is the more hyperactive one who usually gets the two stretched out.

I think CatDog might be a "semi-stance" fighter if that makes sense. So they have two sets of moves, but the differences are mostly stat related like Pythra (buff Dog being a possible exception, but even then Cat can do the truck dash with Dog helplessly flailing behind which is usually Dog's thing so having Cat get a buff form too would make sense) but they don't swap and instead change directions, allowing Cat moves to be pulled off into Dog moves. There's no back airs or forward airs in this game so CD's nair would basically be both a fair and bair through this.

 

[LimeTH]

That makes sense given Cat is the more agressive one wheras Dog is the more hyperactive one who usually gets the two stretched out.

I think CatDog might be a "semi-stance" fighter if that makes sense. So they have two sets of moves, but the differences are mostly stat related like Pythra (buff Dog being a possible exception, but even then Cat can do the truck dash with Dog helplessly flailing behind which is usually Dog's thing so having Cat get a buff form too would make sense) but they don't swap and instead change directions, allowing Cat moves to be pulled off into Dog moves. There's no back airs or forward airs in this game so CD's nair would basically be both a fair and bair through this.

I'm not sure about Cat getting a buff form, either they'll come up with a Cat specific equivalent or it always switches to Dog.

At the same time, the truck dash isn't totally exclusive to Dog. Cat does it in the beginning of this clip here. There are probably other instances, this show went on way longer than I thought it did, but this is the one I know of.

Though Cat is seen swinging around the rock with a face that was Dog's hallucination in the show, so you could be right that they mostly share a set otherwise.

 

[Ze Diglett]

Let's just talk about something else. Like now that we know the control scheme, what moves do you think go to what input in certain characters? Like would Buff Dog be a special or a heavy?

That attack's definitely their aerial Up Strong, and speaking of which, we finally know now what the deal is with these two moves: the one on the left is Light Nair, coming out way faster and not being as beefy (likely meant to push people to the ledge), and the one on the right is Strong Nair, being way slower and having a ludicrous hitbox attached to it (i.e. the one you're actually supposed to edgeguard with)

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

That attack's definitely their aerial Up Strong, and speaking of which, we finally know now what the deal is with these two moves: the one on the left is Light Nair, coming out way faster and not being as beefy (likely meant to push people to the ledge), and the one on the right is Strong Nair, being way slower and having a ludicrous hitbox attached to it (i.e. the one you're actually supposed to edgeguard with)

Do we know what the hand shines are? They're certainly not air grabs now we know SpongeBob's bite is a down B at least.

 

[Fields - Ultimate's Great]

Talking about something else, huh?

I want Vendetta and Charlotte in this game so bad. I got done watching the web series and Nick versions of Making Fiends. They have a lot of amazing moveset potential and personality.

 

[LimeTH]

Do we know what the hand shines are? They're certainly not air grabs now we know SpongeBob's bite is a down B at least.

Maybe a sweet spot like Marth's tipper.

 

[Ze Diglett]

Do we know what the hand shines are? They're certainly not air grabs now we know SpongeBob's bite is a down B at least.

That's probably just an indicator of where the hitbox is. We know it doesn't cover their main body since it goes straight through Danny without hitting him, so my guess is the move has two hitboxes right where their hands are.

 

[ivanlerma]

While I would rather Rocko himself, have we considered that given we got Helga, Oblina and Nigel instead of the respective protagonists of their shows, we might end up getting Heffer or Filburt instead?

That's a great question....i don't

 

[ivanlerma]

That attack's definitely their aerial Up Strong, and speaking of which, we finally know now what the deal is with these two moves: the one on the left is Light Nair, coming out way faster and not being as beefy (likely meant to push people to the ledge), and the one on the right is Strong Nair, being way slower and having a ludicrous hitbox attached to it (i.e. the one you're actually supposed to edgeguard with)

Jesus, i thought that was Dog bursting from Cat like that scene from Teeth for Two on the second image.

 

[FreeFox]

That attack's definitely their aerial Up Strong, and speaking of which, we finally know now what the deal is with these two moves: the one on the left is Light Nair, coming out way faster and not being as beefy (likely meant to push people to the ledge), and the one on the right is Strong Nair, being way slower and having a ludicrous hitbox attached to it (i.e. the one you're actually supposed to edgeguard with)

Speaking of the image on the left. I kind of wonder about the meaning behind some of Catdog scenes. Danny phasing through is just one of them. Later in the video, he tries to kick catdog in that same spot and it seems like the attack doesnt connect. I have to wonder if Catdog´s hurtbox might not include the stomach (the middle area).

As for Garfield speculation, I remember a previos Papa´s video that mentions the special emoticons on the server and Garfield has the second most number of emoticons. This is why I suspect that Garfield might be in the game. And since, I still believe that the unrevealed characters all have some sort of gimmick (to explain why they havent been revealed yet), I am going to guess Garfield has a hunger or eating mechanic. Maybe something akin to Sin from Guilty Gear or Umbrella from Skullgirls.

 

[TheBrainJem]

Talking about something else, huh?

I want Vendetta and Charlotte in this game so bad. I got done watching the web series and Nick versions of Making Fiends. They have a lot of amazing moveset potential and personality.

Making fiends was great, I used to watch the original shorts all the time back when it was just a web series and I loved the Nickelodeon show too, it's still sad though how the ceos at the time ended up screwing over the original creator and basically taking her work and cancelling plans for more shorts, and because Nick now owns the rights of the series but won't do anything with the property, the original creator can't make web shorts now even

 

[Phoenix Douchebag]

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Sweet, now we have little tidbits to look forward to

I wonder if this could be related to the fabled Nintendo Direct everyone is blabbing about.

 

[Fields - Ultimate's Great]

Making fiends was great, I used to watch the original shorts all the time back when it was just a web series and I loved the Nickelodeon shoe too, it's still sad though how the ceos at the time ended up screwing over the original creator and basically taking her work and cancelling plans for more shorts, and because Nick now owns the rights of the series but won't do anything with the property, the original creator can't make web shorts now even

At least the devs care for the show, if we're lucky they'll be DLC. Both Vendetta and Charlotte have a lot of moveset potential, either standalone or together. Charlotte's pet that cut through entire trees and houses for example.

 

[FreeFox]

At least the devs care for the show, if we're lucky they'll be. Both Vendetta and Charlotte have a lot of moveset potential, either standalone or together. Charlotte's pet that cut through entire trees and houses for example.

Yeah, I am hoping that if the game becomes successful, the devs get more leeway to get more obscure series some much needed love. Not biased for loving Making Fiends